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Report recommends £2 stake online, and lots of other measures....

Because prohibition has historically worked brilliantly
But we are not talking about prohibition or outlawing gambling. Simply the possible reduction of a max bet on online slots to £2. They are simply not comparable and your point makes no sense in the context of this thread.
 
Because prohibition has historically worked brilliantly

Well that's handy, because no one's talking about prohibition, just regulation.

You know, like we do for alcohol, tobacco, drugs, and damn near everything else.

Why should gambling get a free pass? I mean, let's be brutally honest with ourselves here, gambling doesn't exactly make the world a better place now, does it?
 
But we are not talking about prohibition or outlawing gambling. Simply the possible reduction of a max bet on online slots to £2. They are simply not comparable and your point makes no sense in the context of this thread.

Do you think if the government tomorrow outlawed all drinks over 3% alcohol that people wouldn't find a way to get booze with higher content?

Saying it isnt prohibition may be technically right, but that's obviously not how it would work in reality.
 
But we are not talking about prohibition or outlawing gambling. Simply the possible reduction of a max bet on online slots to £2. They are simply not comparable and your point makes no sense in the context of this thread.

WE DIDN'T REGULATE THE DINOSAURS AND THINGS TOOK CARE OF THEMSELVES IN THE END.

(Just trying to predict trance's next line of argument on this one....)
 
Do you think if the government tomorrow outlawed all drinks over 3% alcohol that people wouldn't find a way to get booze with higher content?

Saying it isnt prohibition may be technically right, but that's obviously not how it would work in reality.

But the government isn't proposing doing that and never has done, and you're making an absurd false equivalence there.

You're flailing about desperately on this one trancemonkey.
 
More and more countries getting regulated, there's ongoing learning/trying how much and what you can regulate or ban until significant flaw of players to unlicensed offshore sites, in taxes is learnt (or at least very common opinion and use in practice) to be under 20% of GGR like it pretty much every where in Europes regulated markets is.

With these regulations you can as a country buy yourself good reputation by taking care about problem gamblers but still happily provide licenses and happily take part of it in taxes and have your problem gamblers. Don't see that with MGA license only you can offer online gaming in Europe after 10 years in too many countries, just don't make sense for countries take their piece from money also and not only problems.
 
Well that's handy, because no one's talking about prohibition, just regulation.

You know, like we do for alcohol, tobacco, drugs, and damn near everything else.

Why should gambling get a free pass? I mean, let's be brutally honest with ourselves here, gambling doesn't exactly make the world a better place now, does it?
Good grief Chopley is soooo square and goodie goodie, I can't imagine what you must be like to be around we must regulate everything because people can't be trusted. Lighten up Chopley try and enjoy life not fight it all the time.
 
And you heathens of the old smoking world should be carted off back to The Dark Age

For those confused.

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Well that's handy, because no one's talking about prohibition, just regulation.

You know, like we do for alcohol, tobacco, drugs, and damn near everything else.

Why should gambling get a free pass? I mean, let's be brutally honest with ourselves here, gambling doesn't exactly make the world a better place now, does it?
but he advocates regulation; it's just back a bit >

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stakes should of course be restricted and affordablity checks should play a part in this, but a flat £2 max will cause horrendous problems

trance didnt say give them a free pass he's saying a flat 2 bucks isn't resonable nor feasible; I dont think it is neither nor would I think you.
Not a day ago a player pointed out you yourself bet over 5 bucks
 
But the government isn't proposing doing that and never has done, and you're making an absurd false equivalence there.

You're flailing about desperately on this one trancemonkey.

I think you'll find my example to be perfectly inline with that the APPG is proposing. I know you love a good argument and can't see the logic, but I think you'll find you are just using a word salad to try and deflect from the fact that you know I'm right.

If they reduce the stakes too much, it WILL likely force people on to the black market. How do I know this? Well, Greece is one of my markets and is full of illegal gambling venues for exactly the reason you say wont cause it.

So, is my argument still a strawman even though I know exactly what I'm talking about?
 
I think you'll find my example to be perfectly inline with that the APPG is proposing. I know you love a good argument and can't see the logic, but I think you'll find you are just using a word salad to try and deflect from the fact that you know I'm right.

If they reduce the stakes too much, it WILL likely force people on to the black market. How do I know this? Well, Greece is one of my markets and is full of illegal gambling venues for exactly the reason you say wont cause it.

So, is my argument still a strawman even though I know exactly what I'm talking about?
Australia is the best example too much regulation.
 
Well that's handy, because no one's talking about prohibition, just regulation.

You know, like we do for alcohol, tobacco, drugs, and damn near everything else.

Why should gambling get a free pass? I mean, let's be brutally honest with ourselves here, gambling doesn't exactly make the world a better place now, does it?

Well it makes my life better. I really enjoy a night at the casino, win or lose. And I used to enjoy playing online too before all this new SOW bullshit.

Still I get to play when I go on holidays/cruises, and without any SOW, stupid max bets, cashout issues etc
 
There was nothing on tv so I started to read this 'interim' report and have got halfway through, up to the case studies section.

Aside from the £2 limit there are some other interesting points/observations to takeaway:-

We support the proposals for a Gambling Ombudsman to deal with customer complaints and to provide an effective arbitration mechanism for claims against online gambling companies ....[so is this to replace the adr's, have they been failing to get the job done adequately?]

Given the breadth of data at their disposal, banks could also better assist operators in carrying out affordability checks through open banking. [sounds like a good idea]

A third-party software platform that creates a profile for a user which is used to sign on to every gambling site. The SSO platform would verify the user’s identity and enable the user to set mandatory deposit limits that would apply across all operators. These limits could be informed by affordability checks using services such as Experian. [ditto]

There should be increased protection against accessing unregulated gambling sites by enacting internet service provider and financial transaction blocking to unlicensed operators.

The amount of money taken from gamblers online increased from £1.2bn in 2007 to £5.6bn in 2018, with almost all of that increase coming from gambling through smart phone apps [ something to think about..if this functionality wasn't available how much harm could be removed in one go?]

Betting before and during sports matches is now common among younger gamblers with revenue from sports betting now outstripping that from online poker or slot games.

Money laundering regulations require checks if an individual gambles more than £1500 a day in online and offline casinos.
In the land-based sector, this is enabled by staff monitoring, table limits, and random checks by the Gambling Commission. In the remote sector, checks tend to be retrospective rather than preventative, and on the occasions they do take place, it can be when a gambler is attempting to withdraw money after a win.

Furthermore, the ease of deposit and the electronic nature of money spent, as well as the slowness of withdrawals, the ability to reverse withdrawal and targeting of gamblers with offers when they win to encourage further play, all have the potential of creating a harmful gambling environment.


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I can't see anything about streamers promoting slots in an unrealistic fashion, as a kind of lifestyle/occupation bashing away everyday and broadcasting it to the nation via twitch or youtube, rather than just an entertainment treat ala dunover and chopley etc..

I think this should be on their radar, slot videos should be funded realistically by the player, otherwise they're effectively a casino employee /contractor promoting irresponsible gambling, by the stake sizes and time spent, which obviously would not be permissible.

There are a lot of suggestions of proactive measures, high levels of kyc and harm prevention, which in a fast moving online/remote environment, I'm not sure is feasible/achievable without making gambling such a PITA no one will want to bother eventually. As a customer you want a seamless experience as much as possible, so the more all these checks/protective measures can be automated and done in the background the better in my book.
 
There was nothing on tv so I started to read this 'interim' report and have got halfway through, up to the case studies section.

Aside from the £2 limit there are some other interesting points/observations to takeaway:-

We support the proposals for a Gambling Ombudsman to deal with customer complaints and to provide an effective arbitration mechanism for claims against online gambling companies ....[so is this to replace the adr's, have they been failing to get the job done adequately?]

Given the breadth of data at their disposal, banks could also better assist operators in carrying out affordability checks through open banking. [sounds like a good idea]

A third-party software platform that creates a profile for a user which is used to sign on to every gambling site. The SSO platform would verify the user’s identity and enable the user to set mandatory deposit limits that would apply across all operators. These limits could be informed by affordability checks using services such as Experian. [ditto]

There should be increased protection against accessing unregulated gambling sites by enacting internet service provider and financial transaction blocking to unlicensed operators.

The amount of money taken from gamblers online increased from £1.2bn in 2007 to £5.6bn in 2018, with almost all of that increase coming from gambling through smart phone apps [ something to think about..if this functionality wasn't available how much harm could be removed in one go?]

Betting before and during sports matches is now common among younger gamblers with revenue from sports betting now outstripping that from online poker or slot games.

Money laundering regulations require checks if an individual gambles more than £1500 a day in online and offline casinos.
In the land-based sector, this is enabled by staff monitoring, table limits, and random checks by the Gambling Commission. In the remote sector, checks tend to be retrospective rather than preventative, and on the occasions they do take place, it can be when a gambler is attempting to withdraw money after a win.

Furthermore, the ease of deposit and the electronic nature of money spent, as well as the slowness of withdrawals, the ability to reverse withdrawal and targeting of gamblers with offers when they win to encourage further play, all have the potential of creating a harmful gambling environment.


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I can't see anything about streamers promoting slots in an unrealistic fashion, as a kind of lifestyle/occupation bashing away everyday and broadcasting it to the nation via twitch or youtube, rather than just an entertainment treat ala dunover and chopley etc..

I think this should be on their radar, slot videos should be funded realistically by the player, otherwise they're effectively a casino employee /contractor promoting irresponsible gambling, by the stake sizes and time spent, which obviously would not be permissible.

There are a lot of suggestions of proactive measures, high levels of kyc and harm prevention, which in a fast moving online/remote environment, I'm not sure is feasible/achievable without making gambling such a PITA no one will want to bother eventually. As a customer you want a seamless experience as much as possible, so the more all these checks/protective measures can be automated and done in the background the better in my book.
Funny how you mentioned there's nothing on TV, I quite fancied a read too :eek:
 
But the government isn't proposing doing that and never has done, and you're making an absurd false equivalence there.

You're flailing about desperately on this one trancemonkey.
Totally agree the usual insane comparisons come about when anything gambling related is mentioned.
Drugs and alcohol are totally different animals all together compared to gambling, to attempt to correlate them is just clutching at straws to attempt to build a defence.
For the record I’ve never classed gambling as a addiction, thought it as more of a personal choice.
Regulation in the way of £2 limits helps people whom make a choice to gamble way beyond the way there finances dictate.
It’s needed this kind of regulation for years.
Many vested interests about so wouldn’t count on a balanced discussion.
 
Would a solution (although still one that I think is taking far too much free will away from people) be to simply have an affordability check upon signing up, and establish a maximum stake per player that they can't go over on their account? Wouldn't this be at least SOME way of a 'meet in the middle' agreement? Of course, it would be ridiculous and hard to implement, just like the SOW checks we currently have, but just an idea.
 
Would a solution (although still one that I think is taking far too much free will away from people) be to simply have an affordability check upon signing up, and establish a maximum stake per player that they can't go over on their account? Wouldn't this be at least SOME way of a 'meet in the middle' agreement? Of course, it would be ridiculous and hard to implement, just like the SOW checks we currently have, but just an idea.
This is a good suggestion. Forcing the player to set their limits on a new site before they can deposit or gamble is a good way of making them aware of how much money they are comfortable spending in order to make gambling more of an enjoyable past-time and reinforcing the message that gambling is just a means of buying entertainment. This along with affordability checks should mean that the player is free to spend their money how they like within those predefined limits. If they want to do 500 spins on autoplay, play 4 slots at once or use a turbo play or feature buy option, they should be able to, again within the limits that they themselves have consciously set and know they need to adhere to. The UKGCC should be enabling people to limit how much money they can spend, not how they go on and spend it.

As an aside, I really hate the sensational way the press trot out these figures - £5.8 BILLION LOST on GAMBLING! - most of that is spent within players' means and/or as part of an enjoyable night out, because, for a lot of people, gambling is a form of entertainment that they enjoy. You don't see headlines of how holidaymakers lost £33 million on ice-cream and suntan lotion over an August Bank Holiday scorching hot weekend. The Government and UKGCC regard anyone who gambles as a failed human being and an addict who needs saving from themselves, when that's simply not the case.
 
Would a solution (although still one that I think is taking far too much free will away from people) be to simply have an affordability check upon signing up, and establish a maximum stake per player that they can't go over on their account? Wouldn't this be at least SOME way of a 'meet in the middle' agreement? Of course, it would be ridiculous and hard to implement, just like the SOW checks we currently have, but just an idea.
Agree, but when a non player of slots sees a streamer playing £20 stakes with unlimited match bonus’s
Do you think that the UKGC will start to clamp down on gambling affiliation too?
we can live in hope. Certainly watching certain affiliates and the stakes they play at won’t of gone down well with the powers that be.
 
Every country that regulates gambling has a report about how big illegal gambling is. Each and every time.

They often exaggerate on the numbers but it is one of the best established facts that people want to gamble and want to do it effortlessly and without much restrictions.

Isn't it also known that like 98% of the money in the world belong to 2% of the people?
What I want to say is that there is loads of people with enough money to do 50 euro bets and more.
As a government you need to let them and take your share from what they lose.

As for the little guys, don't you realize that all we have to keep us going in life is hope?
The hope of a 500x win on a 20 euro bet for example. Once in a year a DOA wildline will boost balance enough for a highrolling session of 5.00 or more. Just let us dream will you?
 
Thing is when you start doing relatively 'silly' bets at e.g £50 per spin, on slots of all things (not even leisurely-paced adventures like Roulette, Baccarat etc) then you're not doing it to win or 'make more money'. What does one get the person that has everything :D

Which ultimately leads to it being a completely pointless exercise. They may as well play it in 'FUN' Mode if it's the barnstorming 'entertainment' they're seeking
 
I think the Uk has a huge gambling problem. Have any of u ever been in the chats of any of the streamers like nickslots, chipmonkzslots etc.?

Its full of people who openly admit they are gambling addicts.

The streamer The Bandit lost 60 grand in a video.

Regardless of wether these people can afford it or not when will this madness end?
 
I think the Uk has a huge gambling problem. Have any of u ever been in the chats of any of the streamers like nickslots, chipmonkzslots etc.?

Its full of people who openly admit they are gambling addicts.

The streamer The Bandit lost 60 grand in a video.

Regardless of wether these people can afford it or not when will this madness end?

Only 60k?
Must have been one of his low-stakes videos then. :)

He is like the poster boy for irresponsible gambling.
His videos where he chases tops on Reel king are nuts.
Often goes 10-30k deep, and just keeps depositing and making 20k all or nothing gambles.
 
Only 60k?
Must have been one of his low-stakes videos then. :)

He is like the poster boy for irresponsible gambling.
His videos where he chases tops on Reel king are nuts.
Often goes 10-30k deep, and just keeps depositing and making 20k all or nothing gambles.
The fun him will come to a end deposits and losses like that are just not sustainable no matter how much money he has...
 
Ban low RTP and reverse withdrawals, go easy on taxes (only a tax on net income), max bet 1% of balance, RTP shown on opening a game.

That is all the new regulations you need.

You need a lot more on financial markets and banks though! Its all gambling and its all rigged too.
And destroys everybody, not only the ones that play. I lost more than 100k after the 2008 crisis and not because of investments going bad. Simply lost income because of the austerity that followed. :mad:
 
Agree only so long before he does his balls in.

If they ever banned gambling streams I bet a good few of the streamers would be in a world of trouble gambling addiction wise.

You cant gamble everyday for 4 years and just switch off.

The Bandit gets alot of shit now for these videos. The streaming world has become crazy!
 
Ban low RTP and reverse withdrawals, go easy on taxes (only a tax on net income), max bet 1% of balance,

You being serious with that suggestion? So if I deposit £100 I can play (on say book of dead) 1 x £1 spin, then I have to drop to 50p, then 40,30 etc? But if I win £5k I can blast through it on £20 spins no problem. How does that deter problem gambling?
 
You being serious with that suggestion? So if I deposit £100 I can play (on say book of dead) 1 x £1 spin, then I have to drop to 50p, then 40,30 etc? But if I win £5k I can blast through it on £20 spins no problem. How does that deter problem gambling?

You save 2000! If it makes you stop at 2000 and think for a sec, isn't it a good thing?
If it doesn't let you keep doing £20 spins when your balance gets under 2000, isn't it a good thing?

Do you need a forced cashout if balance drops under 75% of its highest? I can add that to the list. :)
 
Ban low RTP and reverse withdrawals, go easy on taxes (only a tax on net income), max bet 1% of balance, RTP shown on opening a game.

That is all the new regulations you need.

You need a lot more on financial markets and banks though! Its all gambling and its all rigged too.
And destroys everybody, not only the ones that play. I lost more than 100k after the 2008 crisis and not because of investments going bad. Simply lost income because of the austerity that followed. :mad:

Fantastic idea.

Best way to make sure low rollers do not gamble in case they can't afford it.

Gone would be the days people made £10 deposits as one losing spin on a 10p slot would mean they could not make another spin.
 
The fun him will come to a end deposits and losses like that are just not sustainable no matter how much money he has...
He’s actually a nice guy, spoke to him a few times. His wealth also comes from non affy and streaming ways I believe, granted now he’s popular it helps, but he earned money a different way before all this cancerous streaming crap
 
Fantastic idea.

Best way to make sure low rollers do not gamble in case they can't afford it.

Gone would be the days people made £10 deposits as one losing spin on a 10p slot would mean they could not make another spin.
I enjoy depositing £20 and low rolling lots of the time. In fact my only ever wildline on DOA 1 or 2 came from a low rolling deposit.
Won just under £500 I think on DOA 2 on a 18p stake. First ever wildline, cashed out £450 and treated my daughter for a tiny £20 deposit.
 
Fantastic idea.

Best way to make sure low rollers do not gamble in case they can't afford it.

Gone would be the days people made £10 deposits as one losing spin on a 10p slot would mean they could not make another spin.

So we all agree and we are just finalizing the details? :laugh:
Of course bets of, lets say 20p and under, will be excluded from the 1% rule.
 
Only 60k?
Must have been one of his low-stakes videos then. :)

He is like the poster boy for irresponsible gambling.
His videos where he chases tops on Reel king are nuts.
Often goes 10-30k deep, and just keeps depositing and making 20k all or nothing gambles.

I'm a bit of a aficionado of the bandit having watched about 95% of his vids, I lost touch when he was banned from youtube and instead uploaded the vids on his website. Mostly he seems to up the stake to get a recovery, so say he's deposited a grand and lost it doing £2 spins, then he redeposits and ups the stake to a £5 or tenner.

The reel king ladder seemed to be his cash cow other than on a few occasions when it turned bad, I think after the last blowout a fortnight ago he swore never to play it again, don't know if he'll stick to that idea, I hope he does, because a) I think it'll rob back all the money off him plus some if he gives it a chance and b) it is the least entertaining part of his compilation vids, it quickly becomes really hardcore gambling.

All the bandit humour goes out the window, like a life or death situation which I can understand when you're staring at a 30k+ loss suffered from a few hours playing, with few realistic options/ways to win it back. suck up the loss or possibly dig a bigger hole.

Then when the ukgc recently banned bonus buys that's also cut off one of his avenues for a quick recovery, buying a £2,000 bonus on a megaways clone, often he seemed to do well out of those.

Last week his vid was entirely low stakes, under a £1 I think, and he still lost the best part of £1,000. That's another thing with the bandit he doesn't have the reload bonuses streamers get, occasionally he seems to have some remnants of a loyalty bonus to play with.

I've noticed he has been getting a bit grouchy recently, on twitter and some of the vids etc.. I get the feeling he doesn't really need to do the videos anymore but having built up a loyal following, 43.8k subscribers, feels he should keep the show on the road [nickslots has 33k, 'let's give it a spin' also around 30k. And they do far more videos and streams than the bandit, but his humour always set him apart and above most of the 'streamers' for me....]

Dunover cracked me up today on his latest vid, I'm about 3/4 the way through, I won't repeat the joke for fear of a pc ban but it related to the usefulness of a certain sanitary product :laugh: luckily for me I wasn't drinking a cup of tea at the time.
 
I'm a bit of a aficionado of the bandit having watched about 95% of his vids, I lost touch when he was banned from youtube and instead uploaded the vids on his website. Mostly he seems to up the stake to get a recovery, so say he's deposited a grand and lost it doing £2 spins, then he redeposits and ups the stake to a £5 or tenner.

The reel king ladder seemed to be his cash cow other than on a few occasions when it turned bad, I think after the last blowout a fortnight ago he swore never to play it again, don't know if he'll stick to that idea, I hope he does, because a) I think it'll rob back all the money off him plus some if he gives it a chance and b) it is the least entertaining part of his compilation vids, it quickly becomes really hardcore gambling.

All the bandit humour goes out the window, like a life or death situation which I can understand when you're staring at a 30k+ loss suffered from a few hours playing, with few realistic options/ways to win it back. suck up the loss or possibly dig a bigger hole.

Then when the ukgc recently banned bonus buys that's also cut off one of his avenues for a quick recovery, buying a £2,000 bonus on a megaways clone, often he seemed to do well out of those.

Last week his vid was entirely low stakes, under a £1 I think, and he still lost the best part of £1,000. That's another thing with the bandit he doesn't have the reload bonuses streamers get, occasionally he seems to have some remnants of a loyalty bonus to play with.

I've noticed he has been getting a bit grouchy recently, on twitter and some of the vids etc.. I get the feeling he doesn't really need to do the videos anymore but having built up a loyal following, 43.8k subscribers, feels he should keep the show on the road [nickslots has 33k, 'let's give it a spin' also around 30k. And they do far more videos and streams than the bandit, but his humour always set him apart and above most of the 'streamers' for me....]

Dunover cracked me up today on his latest vid, I'm about 3/4 the way through, I won't repeat the joke for fear of a pc ban but it related to the usefulness of a certain sanitary product :laugh: luckily for me I wasn't drinking a cup of tea at the time.

Maybe The Bandit's love for slotting comes back if he stops the Reel King madness for good, and without the bonus buys being available either. Like you said, the vids always turned out the same kinda way. He seemed to have lost his love for playing slots and was solely doing Reel King gambles for huge profit. But even on the lower stakes video he lost alot, just goes to show how brutal it can be.

When you watch the highlights from the streamers it always seems like they make huge profit, especially if you'd only watch those compilation videos. And let's be honest, contrary to popular belief most of them don't make profit out of playing the slots! Even though with DOA II quite a few of them have been able to get decent winnings this year.
 
I'm a bit of a aficionado of the bandit having watched about 95% of his vids, I lost touch when he was banned from youtube and instead uploaded the vids on his website. Mostly he seems to up the stake to get a recovery, so say he's deposited a grand and lost it doing £2 spins, then he redeposits and ups the stake to a £5 or tenner.

The reel king ladder seemed to be his cash cow other than on a few occasions when it turned bad, I think after the last blowout a fortnight ago he swore never to play it again, don't know if he'll stick to that idea, I hope he does, because a) I think it'll rob back all the money off him plus some if he gives it a chance and b) it is the least entertaining part of his compilation vids, it quickly becomes really hardcore gambling.

All the bandit humour goes out the window, like a life or death situation which I can understand when you're staring at a 30k+ loss suffered from a few hours playing, with few realistic options/ways to win it back. suck up the loss or possibly dig a bigger hole.

Then when the ukgc recently banned bonus buys that's also cut off one of his avenues for a quick recovery, buying a £2,000 bonus on a megaways clone, often he seemed to do well out of those.

Last week his vid was entirely low stakes, under a £1 I think, and he still lost the best part of £1,000. That's another thing with the bandit he doesn't have the reload bonuses streamers get, occasionally he seems to have some remnants of a loyalty bonus to play with.

I've noticed he has been getting a bit grouchy recently, on twitter and some of the vids etc.. I get the feeling he doesn't really need to do the videos anymore but having built up a loyal following, 43.8k subscribers, feels he should keep the show on the road [nickslots has 33k, 'let's give it a spin' also around 30k. And they do far more videos and streams than the bandit, but his humour always set him apart and above most of the 'streamers' for me....]

Dunover cracked me up today on his latest vid, I'm about 3/4 the way through, I won't repeat the joke for fear of a pc ban but it related to the usefulness of a certain sanitary product :laugh: luckily for me I wasn't drinking a cup of tea at the time.
This whole £2 limit proposal wasn’t helped by the likes of those you mention mate.
Eventually the insanity of the streamer was going to have some consequences, this madness can’t last forever.
I’m all for a £2 stake cap, the industry was scummy before, never mind some dickhead in a boxroom with a green screen promoting £5 plus stakes for 5 hours a time.
It’s beyond immoral, not to mention so far removed from real slot play.
Sadly streamers and affiliates contributed to this mess, to attempt to justify It says it all.
 
This whole £2 limit proposal wasn’t helped by the likes of those you mention mate.
Eventually the insanity of the streamer was going to have some consequences, this madness can’t last forever.
I’m all for a £2 stake cap, the industry was scummy before, never mind some dickhead in a boxroom with a green screen promoting £5 plus stakes for 5 hours a time.
It’s beyond immoral, not to mention so far removed from real slot play.
Sadly streamers and affiliates contributed to this mess, to attempt to justify It says it all.

The thing with most of the streamers they made winning look easy, and were/are putting on an act of amazement with the huge wins, which if they play as much as they do [and the casino funding half of it] they are bound to get at some point. It's a kind of a deceptive performance to my mind, in order to best milk the public unexperienced in gambling and slots.

People getting angry with slots like dunover today, really angry, and then making jokes and humour off that back of it, is much more enjoyable for me than watching nickslots hold his head in his hands saying 'I don't believe it, it's still going' while watching a big win roll in for the umpteenth time.

I wouldn't put the bandit in the frame for the £2 limit coming in, I'd say 75% of his vids, at least, have been losing ones, especially the first two years [not sure how long he's been going for, 3-4 years :confused: ]
Whereas on the streamer channels probably 80% of vids are winning sessions/compilations, that's the issue, the unrealistic portrayal of constantly winning and making it look easy.

Hypalinx, dunover and chopley are the main ones I watch now alongside the bandit, [although his vids are not what they were, which is understandable given how long he's been doing them for and the jaded with slots process is bound to occur] all the rest I find cheesy, smug and fake. [I should say the main well known channels, interlog for example doesn't come across to me as suffering from those traits, there are probably some other good ones out there too but I tend to prefer watching the hour long compliation/gameplay vids than 3-4 hr streams]

The bandit has got a steely, business side to him, I've seen that in some of his replies to folk, it's much more apparent now after he's built up his successful ventures, but there is something about his best videos, the rapport he creates with the viewer even though when he's doing it, he's talking to himself, not many can do that as well as he did.
 
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The thing with most of the streamers they made winning look easy, and were/are putting on an act of amazement with the huge wins, which if they play as much as they do [and the casino funding half of it] they are bound to get at some point. It's a kind of a deceptive performance to my mind, in order to best milk the public unexperienced in gambling and slots.

People getting angry with slots like dunover today, really angry, and then making jokes and humour off that back of it, is much more enjoyable for me than watching nickslots hold his head in his hands saying 'I don't believe it, it's still going' while watching a big win roll in for the umpteenth time.

I wouldn't put the bandit in the frame for the £2 limit coming in, I'd say 75% of his vids, at least, have been losing ones, especially the first two years [not sure how long he's been going for, 3-4 years :confused: ]
Whereas on the streamer channels probably 80% of vids are winning sessions/compilations, that's the issue, the unrealistic portrayal of constantly winning and making it look easy.

Hypalinx, dunover and chopley are the main ones I watch now alongside the bandit, [although his vids are not what they were, which is understandable given how long he's been doing them for and the jaded with slots process is bound to occur] all the rest I find cheesy, smug and fake.

The bandit has got a steely, business side to him, I've seen that in some of his replies to folk, it's much more apparent now after he's built up his successful ventures, but there is something about his best videos, the rapport he creates with the viewer even though when he's doing it, he's talking to himself, not many can do that as well as he did.
Bandit made fortunes with match betting over the years, slots are a sideline to him, and as said in another comment spoke with the guy a few times and he’s a decent sort.
Nick, chip and the CG lot are just business streamers, chip has promoted more rogue casinos than I’ve mocked BTG and that’s saying something.
When the £2 stake kicks in and streamers are looked at also it’ll be a different ball game.
I don’t watch the above mentioned as find it pretty shitty how they go about earning a living mate, Dazza however I’ve watched since day 1, great content and he knows his stuff.
Also like slot excitement channel (David) think he’s called, also shout out to interlog (slotplayer) he’s decent and a good guy.
Shame they pumped up stakes to millionaire levels, fucked it for the decent non affy folk and the viewer.
 
Bandit made fortunes with match betting over the years, slots are a sideline to him, and as said in another comment spoke with the guy a few times and he’s a decent sort.
Nick, chip and the CG lot are just business streamers, chip has promoted more rogue casinos than I’ve mocked BTG and that’s saying something.
When the £2 stake kicks in and streamers are looked at also it’ll be a different ball game.
I don’t watch the above mentioned as find it pretty shitty how they go about earning a living mate, Dazza however I’ve watched since day 1, great content and he knows his stuff.
Also like slot excitement channel (David) think he’s called, also shout out to interlog (slotplayer) he’s decent and a good guy.
Shame they pumped up stakes to millionaire levels, fucked it for the decent non affy folk and the viewer.

yeah I posted above and then remembered interlog :oops: and watching his big win [i think it was on dhv but could have that wrong, nb. just remembered it was the high voltage bonus] and his response was definitely not fake or smug, the key ingredient for me is 'can I relate to this' what I'm watching and with most of the streamers and pro slot youtubers I can't.
 
All this will lead to is people making higher deposits than they can afford, just to play at the stakes they wish to. Think it through lol

It wasn't on my "to do" list but they have already banned feature buy and are going to ban all bets above 2.00.
I had to find a good alternative. Betting 1% or less is a good habit anyway. Makes your session last longer.

Very small bets can be excluded from the 1% rule. People that want to bet high should be able to deposit big (or manage to win big).

I simply think it is the only good alternative on the >2.00 bet ban.
 
It wasn't on my "to do" list but they have already banned feature buy and are going to ban all bets above 2.00.
I had to find a good alternative. Betting 1% or less is a good habit anyway. Makes your session last longer.

Very small bets can be excluded from the 1% rule. People that want to bet high should be able to deposit big (or manage to win big).

I simply think it is the only good alternative on the >2.00 bet ban.

If you deposit 20 and do 0.2 bets you can bust out in 15 minutes. Been there done that more than once and it's so frustrating.
 
The thing with most of the streamers they made winning look easy, and were/are putting on an act of amazement with the huge wins, which if they play as much as they do [and the casino funding half of it] they are bound to get at some point. It's a kind of a deceptive performance to my mind, in order to best milk the public unexperienced in gambling and slots.

People getting angry with slots like dunover today, really angry, and then making jokes and humour off that back of it, is much more enjoyable for me than watching nickslots hold his head in his hands saying 'I don't believe it, it's still going' while watching a big win roll in for the umpteenth time.

I wouldn't put the bandit in the frame for the £2 limit coming in, I'd say 75% of his vids, at least, have been losing ones, especially the first two years [not sure how long he's been going for, 3-4 years :confused: ]
Whereas on the streamer channels probably 80% of vids are winning sessions/compilations, that's the issue, the unrealistic portrayal of constantly winning and making it look easy.

Hypalinx, dunover and chopley are the main ones I watch now alongside the bandit, [although his vids are not what they were, which is understandable given how long he's been doing them for and the jaded with slots process is bound to occur] all the rest I find cheesy, smug and fake. [I should say the main well known channels, interlog for example doesn't come across to me as suffering from those traits, there are probably some other good ones out there too but I tend to prefer watching the hour long compliation/gameplay vids than 3-4 hr streams]

The bandit has got a steely, business side to him, I've seen that in some of his replies to folk, it's much more apparent now after he's built up his successful ventures, but there is something about his best videos, the rapport he creates with the viewer even though when he's doing it, he's talking to himself, not many can do that as well as he did.

Soon ill swoop in and steal all the viewers with my 9p Dead or alive streams.
Or maybe ill save Doa for my highroller sessions, and just stream Grand spinn on 4p.
:P
 
Don't forget 1p spins on cleopatra, I had to resort to those earlier, if two scatters land you then get the mind blowing sum of 2p :laugh:

4p spins seems a bit hasty to me :eek: are there no lower stake options on Grand spinn?

The audience will be on the edge of their seats with this new type of slot streaming.

When I first started playing slots I mostly played wms spartacus at 10-20p, I thought 50p for 100 lines was las vegas style high rolling, if I won a fiver off a 20p spin I was over the moon, it soon changes as you venture onto more games and experience bigger losses, very much a slippery slope :oops:
 
Don't forget 1p spins on cleopatra, I had to resort to those earlier, if two scatters land you then get the mind blowing sum of 2p :laugh:

4p spins seems a bit hasty to me :eek: are there no lower stake options on Grand spinn?

The audience will be on the edge of their seats with this new type of slot streaming.

When I first started playing slots I mostly played wms spartacus at 10-20p, I thought 50p for 100 lines was las vegas style high rolling, if I won a fiver off a 20p spin I was over the moon, it soon changes as you venture onto more games and experience bigger losses, very much a slippery slope :oops:

2p min bet on Grand Spinn :cheers:
 
Putting a cap like this is not only a very lazy way to try and solve something, it will just make things worse, there are much better ways to work with problematic gambling, such as an affordability check as an example.

What it will mean is:
- Players who want's to bet more will leave the regulated market to the black market, including players with gambling problems, where they will have much less protection and be out of reach for help in a different way.
- Reduced tax income and control for UK
- We will see less choice of casinos, games etc
- The player's remaining will have to pay with reduced RTP, less bonuses etc

These kind of suggestions are made by people without the proper knowledge, which never leads to anything good, we can just hope it doesn't go through.
 
The gravy train is deffo going to end for the likes of chipmonkz. That guy was promoting that casino that wasnt signed up to gamstop but he keeps tabs on all the forums and pulls the links before the shit hits the fan.

Be interesting to see how many of them move to Malta. There is obviously a shit load of money to be made considering the amount of streamers who have moved to Malta.

I have nothing against these streamers making money. What I hate is how they all act as if they care about problem gamblers.
 
The gravy train is deffo going to end for the likes of chipmonkz. That guy was promoting that casino that wasnt signed up to gamstop but he keeps tabs on all the forums and pulls the links before the shit hits the fan.

Be interesting to see how many of them move to Malta. There is obviously a shit load of money to be made considering the amount of streamers who have moved to Malta.

I have nothing against these streamers making money. What I hate is how they all act as if they care about problem gamblers.
I like that out of all the dodgy people and rogues you chose me hahaha
I promoted them 4 four hours and removed them ....
 
Bandit made fortunes with match betting over the years, slots are a sideline to him, and as said in another comment spoke with the guy a few times and he’s a decent sort.
Nick, chip and the CG lot are just business streamers, chip has promoted more rogue casinos than I’ve mocked BTG and that’s saying something.
When the £2 stake kicks in and streamers are looked at also it’ll be a different ball game.
I don’t watch the above mentioned as find it pretty shitty how they go about earning a living mate, Dazza however I’ve watched since day 1, great content and he knows his stuff.
Also like slot excitement channel (David) think he’s called, also shout out to interlog (slotplayer) he’s decent and a good guy.
Shame they pumped up stakes to millionaire levels, fucked it for the decent non affy folk and the viewer.
Thanks for being a fan mate means a lot
 
Nothing against u chip but what u do is morally wrong and u know it.

If it wasn't for people doing their balls in u wouldnt be streaming.

Thankfully sooner rather than later u will need to find another job or move to Malta.
 

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