Report recommends £2 stake online, and lots of other measures....

[dionysus]

But vaping's not for kids

no
but it doestnt mean it doesnt appeal to them

 

[dionysus]

I know man... could be hundreds of thousands.

The fact is the normal cigarettes are responsible for more illness and deaths than we can ever imagine.

I don't see government lobbying over it..

Nate

I'm a smoker but a big fan it should be made illegal just for the sheer hypocrisy of it
smoking is bad but go ahead mentality because we get shit tons of tax revenue

 

[colinsunderland]

I think a big difference is, cigarettes dont come in bubble gum and cotton candy scents, clearly pulling in youths as some sort of 'safe' alternative
we adults KNOW smoking is bad for us

You have to be 18+ to buy Vape stuff over here.
Regarding the recent health scares in the US, maybe they shouldn't be vaping fake &/or THC stuff.

 

[Nate]

But vaping's not for kids

I think that what he means is how the industry was trending towards fairy tale slots as an example... it is a marketing ploy. How else do you expand your 'audience' ?

 

[dionysus]

You have to be 18+ to buy Vape stuff over here.
Regarding the recent health scares in the US, maybe they shouldn't be vaping fake &/or THC stuff.

19+ here as well
we all drank under legal age so we know how easy that is to bypass

 

[Nate]

Imagine going in with 200k to buy a new car, and walking out with a rusty volvo from early 80s.

Or... go in with 200k... you get four tyres on the car ... BUT you can gamble your ENTIRE purchase for a spare tyre.. if you lose.. tough luck.

If you win... the chance is it may even be a second hand used tyre.

Nate

 

[Nordog]

Or... go in with 200k... you get four tyres on the car ... BUT you can gamble your ENTIRE purchase for a spare tyre.. if you lose.. tough luck.

If you win... the chance is it may even be a second hand used tyre.

Nate

Nono.
If you loose a gamble, sometimes the odd second chance appear ( like goonies), where you win a used tyre, for the inappropiate season.

 

[thebeast777]

I’m not sure the authors of this report realise that max stakes on slots in land based casinos is £5 and not the £2 it was several years ago.

 

[Borgie]

E-cigs will be next, God knows the Tobacco industry has tried to demonize it for years, looks like they got their wish

Even Trump's chiming in (but when isn't he to be fair)

I suppose our ninny nanny state will ration chocolate per head soon, along with oxygen & sex

Your partner is keen on the rationing sex bit. Is once a year too much

 

[slotter999]

I think you are extremely naive if you think that people wont do whatever they can to gamble illegally if they can't do it legally

I didn't question what people may or may not do. I asked if your opinion was evidence based which I assume from your reply it is not and, therefore, conjecture. I'm also not saying I disagree but wondered if as someone who worked in the industry you knew something I did not.

But to suggest that regulation will lead to an increase in criminal activity so is a reason not to do it is absurd. My point is if regulation does lead to a boom in criminal activity then then it is the criminal activity which should be addressed.

I've actually spoken to the UKGC on this very point and they informed me their preferred option is to go after the payment providers who are facilitating these offshore casinos.

There are many countries around the world who have implemented similar controls and been quite effective. The old saying is always true - follow the money.

 

[colinsunderland]

19+ here as well
we all drank under legal age so we know how easy that is to bypass

yes, but all the deaths have been linked to bootleg liquid. Banning vaping because people died using a fake product would be like banning drinking because someone bought some moonshine and died after drinking it.

 

[goatwack]

I think that what he means is how the industry was trending towards fairy tale slots as an example... it is a marketing ploy. How else do you expand your 'audience' ?

Well I use vaping as an example because it's relatable to me, and how the Government already over-regulated the e-cig industry over here because 'Think of the children'

Smaller bottles, no nicotine content in bottles over 10ml (see the cutback parallels here), to go with making eliquid packaging "less appealing to children" by removing colourful food symbols etc

So basically they've already uber-nerfed vaping, with no end in sight. I see them trying this with gambling now too, I believe under the guise of protecting minors. When ultimately it has f*ck all to do with them in the first place, and now the gambling industry's being ruined also.

I can't see £2 caps being the end of it, it'll get a lot more austere in time until there's nothing left!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

If your prediction that more regulation leads to criminal activity then the criminal activity needs to be addressed as per the law of the land. It's a separate issue vs online gambling regulation in my view.

Absolutely this, it's a really lazy, blatant straw man argument and needs to be challenged every time it's flopped out onto the table.

 

[Nate]

I'm curious if the UKGC would sanction a move to reduce the maximum bet online.

What would the implications be for them and their tax revenue?

Surely this would be factored in?... Or don't they care about tax revenue and -- are they genuinely acting in the interest of the population at large?

Nate

 

[goatwack]

Your partner is keen on the rationing sex bit. Is once a year too much

That ship sailed a long time ago, it's less 'ration' and more 'famine'

 

[goatwack]

I'm curious if the UKGC would sanction a move to reduce the maximum bet online.

What would the implications be for them and their tax revenue?

Surely this would be factored in?... Or don't they care about tax revenue and -- are they genuinely acting in the interest of the population at large?

Nate

I'll give you a clue: it's not the second one

All these non-gamblers in their UKGC committees have to at least pretend they're doing something positive

 

[slot_zombie]

A nasty prize cap coupled with a stake cap, would eviscerate the UK online gaming industry, and the govt's tax takings Would also make the most popular games illegal and unworkable overnight.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict that the short-term "fix" to a low prize cap will simply be a site-wide restriction of max winnings = 500x (for example), Anything in excess of that would be "disappeared".

 

[pinnit2014]

I'll give you a clue: it's not the second one

All these non-gamblers in their UKGC committees have to at least pretend they're doing something positive

As part of their selection process they should embark upon a 2500 spins w/o a bonus in Bonanza, give them one once they lower their bet and then hit em with a 13x.

That'll sort the wheat from the chaff.

If you don't have the forlorn look of someone who's spunked your salary in 3 hours chasing the D, you shouldn't be on any committee.

 

[Playford7]

E-cigs will be next, God knows the Tobacco industry has tried to demonize it for years, looks like they got their wish

Even Trump's chiming in (but when isn't he to be fair)

I suppose our ninny nanny state will ration chocolate per head soon, along with oxygen & sex

I love my smokes, they should cheapen them not ban them. Ban ecigs however, they are just annoying and those whom smoke them are like the vegans of the smoke world

 

[goatwack]

I love my smokes, they should cheapen them not ban them. Ban ecigs however, they are just annoying and those whom smoke them are like the vegans of the smoke world

And you heathens of the old smoking world should be carted off back to The Dark Age

 

[slotter999]

I'm curious if the UKGC would sanction a move to reduce the maximum bet online.

What would the implications be for them and their tax revenue?

Surely this would be factored in?... Or don't they care about tax revenue and -- are they genuinely acting in the interest of the population at large?

Nate

All tax revenue is set by the treasury and goes to the treasury. The UKGC is tasked with regulating the market and enforcing compliance. The department of culture are actually responsible for dictating max stakes, prizes etc.

I personally think they are genuinely motivated at protecting players which appears to be an unpopular view on this forum.

 

[Playford7]

And you heathens of the old smoking world should be carted off back to The Dark Age

Heathens haha always gets a smile mate

 

[mack341]

with this 5.6 billion lost to online gambling, I wonder how that breaks up, in terms of casino table games and slots, sports betting etc..

Is roulette and blackjack going to be limited to £2, if not then why not, if the objective is to limit harm.

I can see the sense of a £2 limit on slots from the safety to the public perspective and also the sheer amount of money leaving the economy, but I'm not in favour of it, I just feel there must be other solutions and then if they fail look at stake restrictions.

 

[trancemonkey]

I didn't question what people may or may not do. I asked if your opinion was evidence based which I assume from your reply it is not and, therefore, conjecture. I'm also not saying I disagree but wondered if as someone who worked in the industry you knew something I did not.

But to suggest that regulation will lead to an increase in criminal activity so is a reason not to do it is absurd. My point is if regulation does lead to a boom in criminal activity then then it is the criminal activity which should be addressed.

I've actually spoken to the UKGC on this very point and they informed me their preferred option is to go after the payment providers who are facilitating these offshore casinos.

There are many countries around the world who have implemented similar controls and been quite effective. The old saying is always true - follow the money.

Because prohibition has historically worked brilliantly

 

[trancemonkey]

I'm curious if the UKGC would sanction a move to reduce the maximum bet online.

What would the implications be for them and their tax revenue?

Surely this would be factored in?... Or don't they care about tax revenue and -- are they genuinely acting in the interest of the population at large?

Nate

The hit to revenue would be enormous, although revenue should never come before responsibility, but it has to be a balance. Its funny, because i read that report and I could think of many reasons that £2 is stupid, and yet the report said that no one had come forward with a good reason!