Your Input Please Removal of Auto Spins with UKGC

Should Autoplay be removed?

  • Yes Completely

    Votes: 8 7.1%
  • No

    Votes: 97 86.6%
  • Reduce to 25 Auto Spin Batches

    Votes: 8 7.1%

  • Total voters
    112

k6kaysix

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I hope they're going to be removing autoplay across the whole UK industry then? That's betting shops and Adult Gaming Centres, as well as B1 machines in casinos. Some older legacy games will no longer be supported and will have to be scrapped, physical autoplay buttons on cabinets in casinos will have to be disabled or blanked off.

If I can't play 100 spins automatically on 96.23% Fishin' Frenzy at 10p a spin online in my own home, I shouldn't be able to play 100 spins on 88% Fishin' Frenzy at 20p a spin in an AGC should I? Got to keep the punter safe...should be the same across all sectors of the industry.

Why drive punters into LBOs so they can catch COVID and play games at vastly inferior RTPs? I mean, you'll be limited to £100 losses online without SOW but you'll still be able draw a monkey out of the wall and row it through some hi-variance abomination on 91% at £2 a spin in a cramped betting-shop, surrounded by mouth-breathing neanderthals.

All because a bunch of fucking wet-wipes couldn't control their gambling so they have to take their ball home instead of taking responsibility for their own stupidity. I could understand it 30 years ago but today there's limitless information about safe gambling at everyone's fingertips, plus a whole bunch of responsible gambling tools. Not our fault they didn't use them.

It does make me laugh the complete nonsense the likes of Cashino come out with to get their planning permission approved

The documents say the intention is to provide users with a range of bingo-style terminals and tablets where complementary refreshments will also be served. The 'bingo-style' terminals are just a smokescreen to hide the fact they're just a venue crammed full to the brim of £500 machines, particulary Blueprint ones! Nobody ever touches the bingo...

There will be no fixed odds betting terminals and gameplay will be low stakes only.
(Despite the fact they're crammed full of virtually the exact same terminals as the bookies these days with the exact same games and since the £2 stake limit can also offer the exact same roulette games too!)

The documents state: “Adult Gaming Centres are where people go to spend their spare change, have a game of bingo and enjoy their favourite pastime.
The regulars seem to have an awful lot of 'spare change'! If I visited with what I would call 'spare change' I would be in and out within about 5 minutes!

“The customer base during the late evening and into the early hours is predominantly the local entertainment workforce and shift workers who like to relax after their busy shifts.”
The local entertainment workforce and shift workers relax in bed after their busy shifts, but the addicts struggle to sleep...
 

nutnut

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hopefully this encourages people to get back into sports betting. much more fun, value for your money and supports the industry.

casino industry is utter dirt. get back into your horse racing, football and whatever else betting and avoid this plague industry.
 

Lemon

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I can see why BTG are concerned about this, their games would be unplayable without autoplay IMO, no way am I hammering 2000+ manual spins in between bonus rounds
Yep - they must be shitting themselves. Maybe they should write a program that will perform repeated mouse-clicks on the spin button and also detect the screen changing when the bonus is triggered so it stops.
The future in the UK at this rate is going to be flat games with a bonus feature hit rate of 1 in 50 that pays 20x on average, the sort of stuff you get in Vegas.
I would bet that game providers won't be switching autoplay off until 23:59pm on the last day. They know revenue is going to drop like a stone afterwards.
 

Mr_Slot5

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Thing is the UKCG are now set on destroying UK online gaming. But surley this gives a perfect opporunity for an offshore that is run in the right way. The potential with the right approach could be huge. But as CM said earlier no such places seem to exsist not for UK players at least. But someone or a company with foresight - surley could see the potential of a whole new market opening up - without fake games/ & with proper procedure for RG and so forth. TBH If I found an offshore casino that was 100% legit in all areas I would play there.
Yep, someone could get very rich.

Let’s all take a moment to congratulate the UKGC on their stellar efforts of driving people away from the UK licensed market. Would be some feat to ultimately achieve the polar opposite of what they were angling for.
 

ZoeP

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You can not.

Hence the reason i will not be playing slots anymore after my XP runs out at VS.
 

09237653

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Could somebody not make a chrome addon which does autoplay contained in each window? set an initial position and do 100x auto clicks on a 2.6 second delay.

paging @Tropicana50, do you know how to make a chrome addon which could do this?

Side note: Imagine playing VS frenzy Mondays without autoplay, VS battles are not real play so they could safely enable autoplay for battles only?
 

ZoeP

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Could somebody not make a chrome addon which does autoplay contained in each window? set an initial position and do 100x auto clicks on a 2.6 second delay.

Side note: Imagine playing VS frenzy Mondays without autoplay, VS battles are not real play so they could safely enable autoplay for battles only?
But they are Real Play hence the reason pragmatic ask for confirmation on their Pots.

Vs pays for the spins and takes all the Wins, so players lose out on the Big hits there.
 

Mr_Slot5

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Autoplay is already restricted in the UK (max 100 spins, have to set loss limit), so removing it is pointless.

Honestly, the UKGC just strikes me as wanting to be seen doing something (regardless of what that actually achieves).
If they really wanted to help problem gamblers then they should focus on the support available to problem gamblers to fix their brain rather than spamming new restrictions that have the value of raw donkey an*s steak and affect everyone.
This is the point I’ve made. Much better to tackle the root cause of an individual’s addiction than to merely scrape at the surface. The money used to fund the UKGC would be better spent being poured into mental health resources.
 

ZoeP

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Could somebody not make a chrome addon which does autoplay contained in each window? set an initial position and do 100x auto clicks on a 2.6 second delay.

paging @Tropicana50, do you know how to make a chrome addon which could do this?

Side note: Imagine playing VS frenzy Mondays without autoplay, VS battles are not real play so they could safely enable autoplay for battles only?

Surely you noticed they buy the higher spins on piggy riches etc... then give us the jackpot Version for FS????
 

09237653

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But they are Real Play hence the reason pragmatic ask for confirmation on their Pots.

Vs pays for the spins and takes all the Wins, so players lose out on the Big hits there.
slight topic derail here but:

VS are not paying for the spins in the battles, its done with non existent money, they may be paying a small commission to the provider but they do not pay for the cost of the spins, if they were, using the lowest rtp games (as they usually do) it would end up costing them more.
 

ZoeP

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slight topic derail here but:

VS are not paying for the spins in the battles, its done with non existent money, they may be paying a small commission to the provider but they do not pay for the cost of the spins, if they were, using the lowest rtp games (as they usually do) it would end up costing them more.


Really? Costing More to VS?

How Many times have you or any other player hit the Top Win from FS at VS? NONE.

How may times do players in Freerolls hit the top? 10 hell maybe even a Hundred times more than real players do.

Very naive.

Just like when i i know they lowered the RTP but took them nearly 6 months to admit it on CM.
 

colinsunderland

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Really? Costing More to VS?

How Many times have you or any other player hit the Top Win from FS at VS? NONE.

How may times do players in Freerolls hit the top? 10 hell maybe even a Hundred times more than real players do.

Very naive.

Just like when i i know they lowered the RTP but took them nearly 6 months to admit it on CM.
I'm sorry, but unless you have access to the Videoslots backend, how would you know that?
 

lewisnadasurf

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I actually had a mini session yesterday and deliberately avoided using auto play.

After a while of 20p spins I actually got bored and INCREASED my stake to 60p as I was getting annoyed by how long it was taking. Click. Click. Click.

So well done UKGC on this well thought out rule.

Do they even ask real gamblers?!
 

Buffalo Bill

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I 100% agree that when spinning manually I’m more inclined to increase my stake.
I always use the auto play as a means to track how much ive played a slot and were my session returns are.
 

News Hound

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We've covered this over on Casino Gazette - the worry is, what other changes that some want the UKGC to impose. 2021 is going to be a bumpy ride for the UK Gambling Industry and players in the UK, that is for sure!

Online Slots in the Sights of the UK Regulator
 

Naok777

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And there isn't even any real cool off period between new restrictions to assess the impact they had... they just pile new restriction on new restriction.

I have a distinct feeling the only ones benefitting will be the Curacao no pay clip joints.
 

09237653

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Really? Costing More to VS?

How Many times have you or any other player hit the Top Win from FS at VS? NONE.

How may times do players in Freerolls hit the top? 10 hell maybe even a Hundred times more than real players do.

Very naive.

Just like when i i know they lowered the RTP but took them nearly 6 months to admit it on CM.

Its not naive its just basic maths and how RTP works, yes people hit the top wins in battles daily but many many other players end up with 20% or less it all adds up in the long run and will average out to the RTP of the game used, using the rise of Olympus battle currently up 5000 players x 100 spins that is half a million spins at an RTP of 94%, do half a million spins at 94% and you will not make a profit.
 

09237653

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BTG have more clout than any of us in this , I suggest they just ignore it , state that auto spins are an integral part of the games.
 

johnnybagel

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Didn't they say that they came up with all these regulatory changes by talking to a mix of people working in the industry, campaign groups, AND players? I'm not sticking up for them by the way, if i've got enough for a few hundred spins and only 15 minutes break it's easier to stick it on autoplay so it will be annoying to lose the feature, even though I don't always use it.
 

bamberfishcake

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Didn't they say that they came up with all these regulatory changes by talking to a mix of people working in the industry, campaign groups, AND players? I'm not sticking up for them by the way, if i've got enough for a few hundred spins and only 15 minutes break it's easier to stick it on autoplay so it will be annoying to lose the feature, even though I don't always use it.

You know how the UK runs...be seen to be consultative whilst behind the scenes drafting legislation and changing law to suit what they proposed in the first place.

They may have talked to players but i doubt they asked the right questions looking at the survey. The q's were very skewed towards getting feedback to support their claims. They can pass it off as democratic then.
 

dunover

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The thing is, I am a firm 'remainer' here. With autoplay you can also manage your loss limits and monitor performance. For example, set 100 spins with an aim of 75% RTP for the duration, stopping when either they expire at zero or £25 is lost. You also get autoplay on land-based and AWP games in the UK, are they going to remove that? Are they fuck.

I used to love setting up St*rcl*sters at Sky Vegas for 25 spins with a loss-limit of 10x bet, hoping to achieve 60% RTP over the 25 spins and failing on one occasion 29 consecutive times, finally doing it twice in 32 times. What joy it was, also doing the same on Bonanza and waiting for 4 or 5 tries each time to not lose the 10x bet in 10-13 spins.
 

Gam Blor

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I don't play anymore, but I would be interested to know why auto-clickers could get you into trouble with the casinos.

Another problem with an autoclicker. It's fine if you're in another room making a cup of tea, but if you're doing other stuff on the same PC, you're goosed. It'll only work on the PC if you're not doing anything else on it at the time.
 
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