Comments Welcome Removal of Auto Spins with UKGC

[k6kaysix]

I hope they're going to be removing autoplay across the whole UK industry then? That's betting shops and Adult Gaming Centres, as well as B1 machines in casinos. Some older legacy games will no longer be supported and will have to be scrapped, physical autoplay buttons on cabinets in casinos will have to be disabled or blanked off.

If I can't play 100 spins automatically on 96.23% Fishin' Frenzy at 10p a spin online in my own home, I shouldn't be able to play 100 spins on 88% Fishin' Frenzy at 20p a spin in an AGC should I? Got to keep the punter safe...should be the same across all sectors of the industry.

Why drive punters into LBOs so they can catch COVID and play games at vastly inferior RTPs? I mean, you'll be limited to £100 losses online without SOW but you'll still be able draw a monkey out of the wall and row it through some hi-variance abomination on 91% at £2 a spin in a cramped betting-shop, surrounded by mouth-breathing neanderthals.

All because a bunch of fucking wet-wipes couldn't control their gambling so they have to take their ball home instead of taking responsibility for their own stupidity. I could understand it 30 years ago but today there's limitless information about safe gambling at everyone's fingertips, plus a whole bunch of responsible gambling tools. Not our fault they didn't use them.

It does make me laugh the complete nonsense the likes of Cashino come out with to get their planning permission approved

The documents say the intention is to provide users with a range of bingo-style terminals and tablets where complementary refreshments will also be served. The 'bingo-style' terminals are just a smokescreen to hide the fact they're just a venue crammed full to the brim of £500 machines, particulary Blueprint ones! Nobody ever touches the bingo...

There will be no fixed odds betting terminals and gameplay will be low stakes only. (Despite the fact they're crammed full of virtually the exact same terminals as the bookies these days with the exact same games and since the £2 stake limit can also offer the exact same roulette games too!)

The documents state: “Adult Gaming Centres are where people go to spend their spare change, have a game of bingo and enjoy their favourite pastime. The regulars seem to have an awful lot of 'spare change'! If I visited with what I would call 'spare change' I would be in and out within about 5 minutes!

“The customer base during the late evening and into the early hours is predominantly the local entertainment workforce and shift workers who like to relax after their busy shifts.” The local entertainment workforce and shift workers relax in bed after their busy shifts, but the addicts struggle to sleep...

 

[nutnut]

hopefully this encourages people to get back into sports betting. much more fun, value for your money and supports the industry.

casino industry is utter dirt. get back into your horse racing, football and whatever else betting and avoid this plague industry.

 

[Lemon]

I can see why BTG are concerned about this, their games would be unplayable without autoplay IMO, no way am I hammering 2000+ manual spins in between bonus rounds

Yep - they must be shitting themselves. Maybe they should write a program that will perform repeated mouse-clicks on the spin button and also detect the screen changing when the bonus is triggered so it stops.
The future in the UK at this rate is going to be flat games with a bonus feature hit rate of 1 in 50 that pays 20x on average, the sort of stuff you get in Vegas.
I would bet that game providers won't be switching autoplay off until 23:59pm on the last day. They know revenue is going to drop like a stone afterwards.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Thing is the UKCG are now set on destroying UK online gaming. But surley this gives a perfect opporunity for an offshore that is run in the right way. The potential with the right approach could be huge. But as CM said earlier no such places seem to exsist not for UK players at least. But someone or a company with foresight - surley could see the potential of a whole new market opening up - without fake games/ & with proper procedure for RG and so forth. TBH If I found an offshore casino that was 100% legit in all areas I would play there.

Yep, someone could get very rich.

Let’s all take a moment to congratulate the UKGC on their stellar efforts of driving people away from the UK licensed market. Would be some feat to ultimately achieve the polar opposite of what they were angling for.

 

[ZoeP]

You can not.

Hence the reason i will not be playing slots anymore after my XP runs out at VS.

 

[09237653]

Could somebody not make a chrome addon which does autoplay contained in each window? set an initial position and do 100x auto clicks on a 2.6 second delay.

paging @Tropicana50, do you know how to make a chrome addon which could do this?

Side note: Imagine playing VS frenzy Mondays without autoplay, VS battles are not real play so they could safely enable autoplay for battles only?

 

[ZoeP]

Could somebody not make a chrome addon which does autoplay contained in each window? set an initial position and do 100x auto clicks on a 2.6 second delay.

Side note: Imagine playing VS frenzy Mondays without autoplay, VS battles are not real play so they could safely enable autoplay for battles only?

But they are Real Play hence the reason pragmatic ask for confirmation on their Pots.

Vs pays for the spins and takes all the Wins, so players lose out on the Big hits there.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Autoplay is already restricted in the UK (max 100 spins, have to set loss limit), so removing it is pointless.

Honestly, the UKGC just strikes me as wanting to be seen doing something (regardless of what that actually achieves).
If they really wanted to help problem gamblers then they should focus on the support available to problem gamblers to fix their brain rather than spamming new restrictions that have the value of raw donkey an*s steak and affect everyone.

This is the point I’ve made. Much better to tackle the root cause of an individual’s addiction than to merely scrape at the surface. The money used to fund the UKGC would be better spent being poured into mental health resources.

 

[ZoeP]

Could somebody not make a chrome addon which does autoplay contained in each window? set an initial position and do 100x auto clicks on a 2.6 second delay.

paging @Tropicana50, do you know how to make a chrome addon which could do this?

Side note: Imagine playing VS frenzy Mondays without autoplay, VS battles are not real play so they could safely enable autoplay for battles only?

Surely you noticed they buy the higher spins on piggy riches etc... then give us the jackpot Version for FS????

 

[09237653]

But they are Real Play hence the reason pragmatic ask for confirmation on their Pots.

Vs pays for the spins and takes all the Wins, so players lose out on the Big hits there.

slight topic derail here but:

VS are not paying for the spins in the battles, its done with non existent money, they may be paying a small commission to the provider but they do not pay for the cost of the spins, if they were, using the lowest rtp games (as they usually do) it would end up costing them more.

 

[ZoeP]

slight topic derail here but:

VS are not paying for the spins in the battles, its done with non existent money, they may be paying a small commission to the provider but they do not pay for the cost of the spins, if they were, using the lowest rtp games (as they usually do) it would end up costing them more.

Really? Costing More to VS?

How Many times have you or any other player hit the Top Win from FS at VS? NONE.

How may times do players in Freerolls hit the top? 10 hell maybe even a Hundred times more than real players do.

Very naive.

Just like when i i know they lowered the RTP but took them nearly 6 months to admit it on CM.

 

[pinnit2014]

 

[colinsunderland]

Really? Costing More to VS?

How Many times have you or any other player hit the Top Win from FS at VS? NONE.

How may times do players in Freerolls hit the top? 10 hell maybe even a Hundred times more than real players do.

Very naive.

Just like when i i know they lowered the RTP but took them nearly 6 months to admit it on CM.

I'm sorry, but unless you have access to the Videoslots backend, how would you know that?

 

[pinnit2014]

Presumably this is used for such insights

 

[lewisnadasurf]

I actually had a mini session yesterday and deliberately avoided using auto play.

After a while of 20p spins I actually got bored and INCREASED my stake to 60p as I was getting annoyed by how long it was taking. Click. Click. Click.

So well done UKGC on this well thought out rule.

Do they even ask real gamblers?!

 

[gonzo fonso]

ive said this before its all about CONTROL,since the china virus things have got worse even online gambling restrictions

 

[Buffalo Bill]

I 100% agree that when spinning manually I’m more inclined to increase my stake.
I always use the auto play as a means to track how much ive played a slot and were my session returns are.

 

[News Hound]

We've covered this over on Casino Gazette - the worry is, what other changes that some want the UKGC to impose. 2021 is going to be a bumpy ride for the UK Gambling Industry and players in the UK, that is for sure!

Online Slots in the Sights of the UK Regulator

 

[Naok777]

And there isn't even any real cool off period between new restrictions to assess the impact they had... they just pile new restriction on new restriction.

I have a distinct feeling the only ones benefitting will be the Curacao no pay clip joints.

 

[09237653]

Really? Costing More to VS?

How Many times have you or any other player hit the Top Win from FS at VS? NONE.

How may times do players in Freerolls hit the top? 10 hell maybe even a Hundred times more than real players do.

Very naive.

Just like when i i know they lowered the RTP but took them nearly 6 months to admit it on CM.

Its not naive its just basic maths and how RTP works, yes people hit the top wins in battles daily but many many other players end up with 20% or less it all adds up in the long run and will average out to the RTP of the game used, using the rise of Olympus battle currently up 5000 players x 100 spins that is half a million spins at an RTP of 94%, do half a million spins at 94% and you will not make a profit.

 

[09237653]

BTG have more clout than any of us in this , I suggest they just ignore it , state that auto spins are an integral part of the games.

 

[johnnybagel]

Didn't they say that they came up with all these regulatory changes by talking to a mix of people working in the industry, campaign groups, AND players? I'm not sticking up for them by the way, if i've got enough for a few hundred spins and only 15 minutes break it's easier to stick it on autoplay so it will be annoying to lose the feature, even though I don't always use it.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Didn't they say that they came up with all these regulatory changes by talking to a mix of people working in the industry, campaign groups, AND players? I'm not sticking up for them by the way, if i've got enough for a few hundred spins and only 15 minutes break it's easier to stick it on autoplay so it will be annoying to lose the feature, even though I don't always use it.

You know how the UK runs...be seen to be consultative whilst behind the scenes drafting legislation and changing law to suit what they proposed in the first place.

They may have talked to players but i doubt they asked the right questions looking at the survey. The q's were very skewed towards getting feedback to support their claims. They can pass it off as democratic then.

 

[dunover]

The thing is, I am a firm 'remainer' here. With autoplay you can also manage your loss limits and monitor performance. For example, set 100 spins with an aim of 75% RTP for the duration, stopping when either they expire at zero or £25 is lost. You also get autoplay on land-based and AWP games in the UK, are they going to remove that? Are they fuck.

I used to love setting up St*rcl*sters at Sky Vegas for 25 spins with a loss-limit of 10x bet, hoping to achieve 60% RTP over the 25 spins and failing on one occasion 29 consecutive times, finally doing it twice in 32 times. What joy it was, also doing the same on Bonanza and waiting for 4 or 5 tries each time to not lose the 10x bet in 10-13 spins.

 

[Gam Blor]

I don't play anymore, but I would be interested to know why auto-clickers could get you into trouble with the casinos.

Another problem with an autoclicker. It's fine if you're in another room making a cup of tea, but if you're doing other stuff on the same PC, you're goosed. It'll only work on the PC if you're not doing anything else on it at the time.

 

[Kroffe]

I don't play anymore, but I would be interested to know why auto-clickers could get you into trouble with the casinos.

Another problem with an autoclicker. It's fine if you're in another room making a cup of tea, but if you're doing other stuff on the same PC, you're goosed. It'll only work on the PC if you're not doing anything else on it at the time.

You can actually set up scripts that perform actions on a tab thats in the background.
Probably not an option for the most basic autoclickers, but i looked into it a bit when word started spreading about autoplay maybe being removed, and it seemed pretty straightforward and easy to do.

Of course you are missing out on all the extra options, like losslimit, stop on bonus etc.
But if all you want to do is to press the spin button on a tab thats in the background, its an easy fix.

Edit: I would recommend someting like this:

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[09237653]

You can actually set up scripts that perform actions on a tab thats in the background.
Probably not an option for the most basic autoclickers, but i looked into it a bit when word started spreading about autoplay maybe being removed, and it seemed pretty straightforward and easy to do.

Of course you are missing out on all the extra options, like losslimit, stop on bonus etc.
But if all you want to do is to press the spin button on a tab thats in the background, its an easy fix.

I'm already looking into auto clicker solutions for when this comes into force, not found anything that will control multiple windows as of yet, found plenty that function on a single window but it needs to be in focus, a program called autohotkey may be the solution but not had a look at that yet.

If anybody knows of a solution that can autoclick multiple non focussed windows let us know, ideally contained so I can still use the mouse to browse while its happening in the background.

 

[Kroffe]

I'm already looking into auto clicker solutions for when this comes into force, not found anything that will control multiple windows as of yet, found plenty that function on a single window but it needs to be in focus, a program called autohotkey may be the solution but not had a look at that yet.

If anybody knows of a solution that can autoclick multiple non focussed windows let us know, ideally contained so I can still use the mouse to browse while its happening in the background.

I edited my post to mention autohotkey since thats what ive been looking at aswell.
I know you can run scripts that perform actions on tabs in the background while you do other stuff.
Everything is open source, so with some google-fu you can probably find a script that can do what you want.

 

[09237653]

I edited my post to mention autohotkey since thats what ive been looking at aswell.
I know you can run scripts that perform actions on tabs in the background while you do other stuff.
Everything is open source, so with some google-fu you can probably find a script that can do what you want.

I have used it before for multiboxing on world of warcraft but my mate provided the scripts, Am not a programmer but a simple script for auto clicking cant be that tricky to work out, could also probably create scripts to automate bonus rounds as well (for freeroll battles)

 

[johnnymcc1966]

Talking to the casinos first as a few of them have recently added ex MP’s to their boards who could actually help is a brilliant idea from Colin I’d take that route first

Have the brown paper bags full of cash ready if you're trying to change the minds of former MPs,especially Tories.

 

[Kroffe]

I have used it before for multiboxing on world of warcraft but my mate provided the scripts, Am not a programmer but a simple script for auto clicking cant be that tricky to work out, could also probably create scripts to automate bonus rounds as well (for freeroll battles)

From the little i looked at, just a simple "clicker" script seemed really easy to set up yourself, even with no prior knowledge about writing scripts.
Probably gets a bit trickier if you want to automate bonuses aswell.

 

[09237653]

From the little i looked at, just a simple "clicker" script seemed really easy to set up yourself, even with no prior knowledge about writing scripts.
Probably gets a bit trickier if you want to automate bonuses aswell.

Probably fairly easy to do but you'd need a different script for each game.

 

[Kroffe]

Probably fairly easy to do but you'd need a different script for each game.

Im just trying to get people to start to tinker with it.
That way if autoplay gets banned here in Sweden, you guys will have scripts ready for me.

Work smart, not hard.

 

[dave1888]

Honestly don’t see the point in removing autoplay. Everyone will just use auto clickers...

 

[bamberfishcake]

Its crazy because i cant count better than my computer whilst watching the reels and handling life's distractions.

People will lose track easier, simple. I fail to see the logic to be honest.

I imagine it will cut profits yet do nothing to help problem gamblers.

They are taking away a feature that helps gamblers i think. Like has been pointed out - It makes you think about budget and limit - How many spins do i want in this slot and how much will i spend?

Maybe they have been reading to much CM and think everyone plays Bonanza on auto for days on end.

 

[Kingks]

I miss the good old days majority of UKGC rules are dumb, some OK which actually help the player but a lot of it is controlling to the point it's not even fun

 

[Masquerade67]

I have used it before for multiboxing on world of warcraft but my mate provided the scripts, Am not a programmer but a simple script for auto clicking cant be that tricky to work out, could also probably create scripts to automate bonus rounds as well (for freeroll battles)

Haha - they don't like that very much these days. I used to get ganked quite a lot with my Priest/Mage in Western Plaguelands where the quest mobs could be spawned en masse by others to attack the nearest player (ie. me !!)

I use Karabiner (not sure whether there's a PC version) but that can translate the click event into multiple keypresses to different targets.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Can you get an auto clicker that can stop after losing a certain amount?

Thats the difference that i can see. Autospin allows control of budget and loss. I can see how they may want to encourage gamblers to focus on budget and what each spin means financially but i dont think they have really thought this through.

The removal will take away a control measure for some and now force them to focus on the bright lights, teases and tricks built into games to entice you into one more spin.

 

[Kroffe]

Can you get an auto clicker that can stop after losing a certain amount?

Thats the difference that i can see. Autospin allows control of budget and loss. I can see how they may want to encourage gamblers to focus on budget and what each spin means financially but i dont think they have really thought this through.

The removal will take away a control measure for some and now force them to focus on the bright lights, teases and tricks built into games to entice you into one more spin.

Would probably be a bit tricky, but not impossible, to set a losslimit.
Its easy to set a number of clicks tho, so you can limit it that way instead.

Most providers have somewhere between 100-1000 autospins available as options (for the swedish market) but i rarely ever do more than 25-50 at a time.
I think its easier to keep track that way.

 

[colinsunderland]

Would probably be a bit tricky, but not impossible, to set a losslimit.
Its easy to set a number of clicks tho, so you can limit it that way instead.

Most providers have somewhere between 100-1000 autospins available as options (for the swedish market) but i rarely ever do more than 25-50 at a time.
I think its easier to keep track that way.

Not sure doing a loss limit would be possible, well certainly not within the limitations of most people's coding skills. You would need to be able to pull data from the accounting system of the casino, or pull the bet/return data as it's going to/from the game provider, which, considering how highly encrypted it should be, is unlikely to be possible in my view.

 

[Masquerade67]

Not sure doing a loss limit would be possible, well certainly not within the limitations of most people's coding skills. You would need to be able to pull data from the accounting system of the casino, or pull the bet/return data as it's going to/from the game provider, which, considering how highly encrypted it should be, is unlikely to be possible in my view.

I did start trying to re-create my own 'Goonies server' - just as proof that you could create a tailor made session to simulate Roshtien and Co.

The data is certainly passing through from server >> client. I just need time (I use 'Fiddler' to decrypt the HTTPS). I did start talking about this elsewhere. It seemed like a good idea but I enjoyed playing the game itself too much.

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<LineWin line=“4” winSym=“6” payout=“20” winnings=“0.40” reelIndex=“0,1,2” rowIndex=“2,1,0” posIndex=“2,4,6” linePosIndex=“2,4,6,10,14” containsWild=“False” />
<LineWin line=“7” winSym=“6” payout=“20” winnings=“0.40” reelIndex=“0,1,2” rowIndex=“0,1,0” posIndex=“0,4,6” linePosIndex=“0,4,6,10,12” containsWild=“False” />
<ScatterInfo type=“10” index=“0” count=“1” column=“2” row=“2” />
</SpinResult>

 

[Kroffe]

Not sure doing a loss limit would be possible, well certainly not within the limitations of most people's coding skills. You would need to be able to pull data from the accounting system of the casino, or pull the bet/return data as it's going to/from the game provider, which, considering how highly encrypted it should be, is unlikely to be possible in my view.

I figured it would be possible to pull your balance amount from the website somehow, but maybe thats not possible.
I mean, shouldnt you be able to pull most numbers that are visible on the screen?

Either way, its just like you say, a much more advanced thing compared to just setting up to click a certain number of times and setting a "loss limit" that way instead.

 

[Spikie]

Out of interest I just tried playing a random megaways game with no auto spin ..

It’s soul destroying.

All the auto spin ban will do is force providers into making “all action” games with little to no base game , and £2 power spins for the bonus just like the bookies slots that the UKGC were so against .

 

[Kroffe]

Out of interest I just tried playing a random megaways game with no auto spin ..

It’s soul destroying.

All the auto spin ban will do is force providers into making “all action” games with little to no base game , and £2 power spins for the bonus just like the bookies slots that the UKGC were so against .

Agree to disagree.
I mostly play without using auto spins.

I mean, why play slots if you dont want to actually play the slot apart from watching the bonus.
Imo its like setting a videogame on auto and just come back for the bossfights, makes no sense to me.

Also, everyone knows that manual spins adds 4.3% to the rtp.

 

[Spikie]

Maybe there needs to be a whole rethink of the way slots are designed then , instead of waiting 2000 spins for some scatters to drop in ( anyhow why are they still called scatters after all these years), make the games more interesting throughout...

A lot of games are programmed for the autoplay market.

 

[Kroffe]

Maybe there needs to be a whole rethink of the way slots are designed then , instead of waiting 2000 spins for some scatters to drop in ( anyhow why are they still called scatters after all these years), make the games more interesting throughout...

A lot of games are programmed for the autoplay market.

Yeah, i agree that Megaways slots get a bit tedious when spinning manually, since most have around 300ish spins on average to hit a feature.

But there are exceptions imo.
Like Wish upon a jackpot megaways, or some of the other blueprint ones that gives you mini features every so often.
They are alot nicer to spin manually on compared to other megaways that have all the focus on the bonus.

 

[irish-ranger]

Agree to disagree.
I mostly play without using auto spins.

I mean, why play slots if you dont want to actually play the slot apart from watching the bonus.
Imo its like setting a videogame on auto and just come back for the bossfights, makes no sense to me.

Also, everyone knows that manual spins adds 4.3% to the rtp.

I generally don't play auto spins my self allbeit 90%of my play time is on mobile but I just don't see the logic of grinding a slot on auto spins.
2 reasons for playing auto spins IMHO are gambling bores the shite out of ya or your a streamer..

 

[Kroffe]

I generally don't play auto spins my self allbeit 90%of my play time is on mobile but I just don't see the logic of grinding a slot on auto spins.
2 reasons for playing auto spins IMHO are gambling bores the shite out of ya or your a streamer..

 

[colinsunderland]

I generally don't play auto spins my self allbeit 90%of my play time is on mobile but I just don't see the logic of grinding a slot on auto spins.
2 reasons for playing auto spins IMHO are gambling bores the shite out of ya or your a streamer..

I play single line a lot of the time, usually 3 or 4 games at once.
I would find the opposite of what you say. Playing them without auto play would bore me to death. You can easily go over 50 spins without a win, clicking like that would make me sleep. I don't even play like that on casinos where you can't play more than one as it bores me with autospins. At least having 3 going at the same time it keeps you active watching all 3 at once.

 

[irish-ranger]

I play single line a lot of the time, usually 3 or 4 games at once.
I would find the opposite of what you say. Playing them without auto play would bore me to death. You can easily go over 50 spins without a win, clicking like that would make me sleep. I don't even play like that on casinos where you can't play more than one as it bores me with autospins. At least having 3 going at the same time it keeps you active watching all 3 at once.

Actually I found my self during the bonanza comp sitting at home with the mobile/laptop and tablet all auto spinning for 4hrs which cost me £250..
Until I caught my self on and for me this is one of the dangers of using auto spins..