Reel party question

[NicolasJohnson]

I was waiting for an answer from Rival and i just received it. There are no changes to the free spins or the software. Everything is exactly as it was.

By example, the cleopatraos/reel party bonus rounds are low paying but occur very frequently. The wins from a bonus round in the free spins can be as small as 12x bet to much higher. All is fine

Same response I got. Luck comes and goes. I do hope the luck/variance of those who have had a bad time changes

Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
Regal Affiliates Manager

 

[KasinoKing]

Absolute rubbish.

When you win a prize in these bonus rounds during free spins, it's the same prize during the pop em game as on a regular spin. But when it takes you back to the slot to pick up from your free spins the prize is then tripled.

And these days the prize don't get tripled, no need for an investigation.

Sorry man, you're wrong on this aspect.
Every time I've ever had this bonus during free-spins the individual results of the 3 picks have been bigger, and the total at the end of the picks has never been multiplied, because it's already much bigger (on average) than the bonus in normal spins.

Try it yourself (in fun mode if you like) and you'll see.

KK

 

[Nifty29]

Sorry man, you're wrong on this aspect.
Every time I've ever had this bonus during free-spins the individual results of the 3 picks have been bigger, and the total at the end of the picks has never been multiplied, because it's already much bigger (on average) than the bonus in normal spins.

Try it yourself (in fun mode if you like) and you'll see.

KK

KK is 100% correct.

The amounts shown on the bonus round during the free spins has already been multiplied by 3...and this has always been the case.

It would be a problem if the amounts shown are normal pays and not multiplied - but both managers have confirmed that nothing has changed so I doubt this is the case.

Thanks to Caroline and Nicolas for investigating

 

[De Beuker]

Just got 170 freespins on Cleo, and hit the bonus ONCE for 30x bet, so it seems it multiplied.
Guess I was just very unlucky yesterday.
I swear I've never seen such a low payout before on a bonus in freespins.

 

[LOOKAWAY]

KK, Nifty, no shit! Like I said in the post after the quoted one, it's because I normally play 0.05. so then my prizes would be 5x bigger!

Ok, I know for sure that the bonus round prizes were not being multiplied last week. I don't care if now after Tradition and Nicolas posted all is OK. It's a FACT they were not multiplying last week.

Now someone else post a 3x bet win on either cleo or reel party and I will shut up and go away, with my tail between my legs. Anyone want to put the odds on that to happen????

No shit, Ok, 3x, tail, odds= bollocks!!!

 

[chuchu59]

Just played Cleo a few hours ago. Bonus rounds paid 24x and 40x during free spins so they seemed fine. That said, there are many glitches in the software and it would not be surprising if Lookaway had encountered something indifferent although we may have to take Rival's word. For the record, my lowest bonus round in memory at Cleo is 4x bet so it is still possible that once in a long while you get 12x for the bonus round during free spins.

 

[bryand]

I just hit 4 bonus scatters on Reel Party but could only pick 3 bottles. There is a glitch in the game. I was on a free chip so not worried.

 

[LOOKAWAY]

If you go back to page one chu, De Beuker got 12x bet during free spins.

I also had this twice. I have played these two slots a lot in the past and when this happened conspiracy theories were the furthest thing on my mind. I just knew that I didn't get triple prizes. It's just a simple thing thes not get things complicated or mixed up with other RTP threads.

It would be a major head ache for Rival to sort this out, so letting things pass is the easiest solution.

I guess it's over now to next time, and there will be a next time.

Thanks Bryand, just goes to show, these two slots are playing up.

 

[Nifty29]

I don't care if now after Tradition and Nicolas posted all is OK. It's a FACT they were not multiplying last week.

If you really feel you were ripped off, why not check your play log and copy/paste the relevant bonus rounds and email the casino. Its OK to post and say its a game error, but you need to follow it up if you want some action taken. Ive only seen one screenie, and since the paytable doesnt give a range for the bonus prizes, it might be able to pay anything it feels like - just because you normally get between 30-60x bet doesnt mean its always going to happen....and this is an example of Rival not making their paytables etc clear - it should state the min and max pay for the bonus rounds, as you then have a leg to stand on by saying 'Oy...I should be getting 30x min according to your paytable etc'. Two managers have come onboard and said nothing has changed, so either Rival is telling its operators porkies or it really was just a case of hitting the absolute bottom pay.

FYI the Reel Party bonus is different to the Cleos bonus - you always get 3 bottles in Reel Party regardless of how many bonus icons you trigger with. Cleo is different as you get 4 picks for 4 icons. This has always been the case from day one.

 

[LOOKAWAY]

If you really feel you were ripped off, why not check your play log and copy/paste the relevant bonus rounds and email the casino. Its OK to post and say its a game error, but you need to follow it up if you want some action taken. Ive only seen one screenie, and since the paytable doesnt give a range for the bonus prizes, it might be able to pay anything it feels like - just because you normally get between 30-60x bet doesnt mean its always going to happen....and this is an example of Rival not making their paytables etc clear - it should state the min and max pay for the bonus rounds, as you then have a leg to stand on by saying 'Oy...I should be getting 30x min according to your paytable etc'. Two managers have come onboard and said nothing has changed, so either Rival is telling its operators porkies or it really was just a case of hitting the absolute bottom pay.

FYI the Reel Party bonus is different to the Cleos bonus - you always get 3 bottles in Reel Party regardless of how many bonus icons you trigger with. Cleo is different as you get 4 picks for 4 icons. This has always been the case from day one.

You seem to know everything Nifty You were even hitting 4Bonus cleos from day one.

 

[LOOKAWAY]

I agree about the pay-tables not showing the facts, if they did there would be know problem now. But we would all be hitting 3x bet bonus round the majority of our past play.

I'm also not feeling ripped of as I was playing of free chips and then on 0.15 bets for real. Not worth the hassle on 0.15 with Rival.

It will happen again, I can wait.....

 

[Nifty29]

You seem to know everything Nifty You were even hitting 4Bonus cleos from day one.

Since you have a problem reading, Ill explain it for you:

FYI the Reel Party bonus is different to the Cleos bonus

Cleos bonus = the bonus round on the Cleos slot

you always get 3 bottles in Reel Party regardless of how many bonus icons you trigger with

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If you get 4 bonus icons you only get to pick 3 bottles.

Cleo is different as you get 4 picks for 4 icons. This has always been the case from day one.

Cleo = the cleo slot.

Icons = bonus icons (coins I believe)

Hit 4 bonus icons = get 4 picks

I didnt say at ANY stage that you had to hit cleo symbols etc to get the bonus round on cleo slot. Go on....point out the part where I talk about 'bonus cleos'?Why would you bother posting something like that when it is obvious what I was talking about?. If you're going to pick on someones post make sure you actually read it first.

If you're not sure what Im getting at and why Im annoyed, check this out:

I agree about the pay-tables not showing the facts, if they did there would be know problem now. But we would all be hitting 3x bet bonus round the majority of our past play.

I'm also not feeling ripped of as I was playing of free chips and then on 0.15 bets for real. Not worth the hassle on 0.15 with Rival.

Annoying isnt it?

 

[LOOKAWAY]

Yes, but I'm smiling.

I understood the first time, just made the mistake of calling an Icon "Cleo"

Annoying isn't it?

 

[KasinoKing]

KK, Nifty, no shit! Like I said in the post after the quoted one, it's because I normally play 0.05. so then my prizes would be 5x bigger!

No shit, Ok, 3x, tail, odds= bollocks!!!

Hey, no need to get arsey - I'm trying to HELP YOU here by spending valuable time going through my logs to see what results I got. I was expecting maybe a small thanks, not your bollocks!

Maybe you missed my post #23 where it said (essentially):
This week: Average increase for hitting the pick bonus during free-spins = x2.13
2007: Average increase for hitting the pick bonus during free-spins = x2.68
(These fugues are from various bet sizes from 2c/line up to 50c/line)

So I am AGREEING with you that you don't get x3, but disagreeing that you don't get any multiplier.
Sorry if that's not what you wanted to hear - but I only deal with FACTS; i.e. my detailed logs which I have kept for the last 5 years.

Now maybe YOU weren't getting a multiplier last week. With Rival and their glitches I agree that is entirely possible.
But it is also possible that you just unluckily got several lower-end wins; my stats show a big range during free-spins of x15 to x30, and others have said x12 is possible.
During normal spins my range was x6 to x14 - so you can see there is an overlap there.

FYI the Reel Party bonus is different to the Cleo's bonus - you always get 3 bottles in Reel Party regardless of how many bonus icons you trigger with. Cleo is different as you get 4 picks for 4 icons. This has always been the case from day one.

Well bugger me (gently!) - I don't think I knew that!
I always thought these to slots were exact clones - more research required!


One last thing: The bonus feature on Reel Party was 100% definitely changed in some way in the last 1 - 2 months.
I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but if you put your mouse pointer over just one of the three types of bottle (can't remember which one, but not the smallest) and didn't immediately click, after about a second you would get a cork-popping sound; Pop! Pop! Pop! Pop! in quick succession.
It doesn't do this now.
I wonder why?

KK

 

[LOOKAWAY]

Hey, no need to get arsey - I'm trying to HELP YOU here by spending valuable time going through my logs to see what results I got. I was expecting maybe a small thanks, not your bollocks!

Maybe you missed my post #23 where it said (essentially):
This week: Average increase for hitting the pick bonus during free-spins = x2.13
2007: Average increase for hitting the pick bonus during free-spins = x2.68
(These fugues are from various bet sizes from 2c/line up to 50c/line)

So I am AGREEING with you that you don't get x3, but disagreeing that you don't get any multiplier.
Sorry if that's not what you wanted to hear - but I only deal with FACTS; i.e. my detailed logs which I have kept for the last 5 years.

Now maybe YOU weren't getting a multiplier last week. With Rival and their glitches I agree that is entirely possible.
But it is also possible that you just unluckily got several lower-end wins; my stats show a big range during free-spins of x15 to x30, and others have said x12 is possible.
During normal spins my range was x6 to x14 - so you can see there is an overlap there.


Well bugger me (gently!) - I don't think I knew that!
I always thought these to slots were exact clones - more research required!


One last thing: The bonus feature on Reel Party was 100% definitely changed in some way in the last 1 - 2 months.
I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but if you put your mouse pointer over just one of the three types of bottle (can't remember which one, but not the smallest) and didn't immediately click, after about a second you would get a cork-popping sound; Pop! Pop! Pop! Pop! in quick succession.
It doesn't do this now.
I wonder why?

KK

So they have been tinkering with these slots then.

BTW KK your not going through your slot logs for me, that's what your probably telling the misses right now and I'm not she, your doing it for yourself, because your a slot freak.

 

[Richard]

You are right LOOKAWAY. RIVAL has been messing with the slots and payout. For those who wants to get defending them, so be it. Rival is in my recycle bin. The returns for hitting 3, 4, or 5 symbols is awful. You nearly have to have a bonus round to recoup from bets in normal rounds. Because the payout sucks. Some 3 or 4 symbols in a row will only pay half ur bet. RIVAL SUCKS!

 

[silcnlayc]

KasinoKing: One last thing: The bonus feature on Reel Party was 100% definitely changed in some way in the last 1 - 2 months.

LOOKAWAY:So they have been tinkering with these slots then.

I am very happy to see others finding that the casinos have been "tweaking" these games unbeknown to the players until they get caught be an eagle eye! It has been happening more often than not at a lot of these casinos (RTG,Rival,etc).

It is good to have people watching closer for these kinds of slight changes to show that what once was thought a "conspiracy theory" is actually happening and no longer poo pooed...as imagination.

Needed to put my 2 cents in here..I feel vindicated some...especially from all the (I felt IMO) bashing I have taken for the last 2 years..saying something is changing.

Thanks KK and LOOKAWAY...for catching this.

.

 

[De Beuker]

Wel, 4x bet seems to be the norm now for a bonusround on Cleo and Reel Party, got it twice on Reel Party yesterday and once on Cleo.
Funny I never had it before in almost a year of play.

Also hit a bonusround in free spins on Grandma's Attic yesterday, have to admit I hardly ever play that slot, but shouldnt that one multiplie by 3 also?
Got 400 coins on a 0.30 bet, in free spins.
If this is the original win x3, then what was the original win?

 

[LOOKAWAY]

I think that's it then, the 3x multiplier obviously hadn't changed, just the over all return from the bonus round had been lowered. But they hadn't changed the maximum payout which still stands.

 

[DogBoy001]

I am very happy to see others finding that the casinos have been "tweaking" these games unbeknown to the players until they get caught be an eagle eye! It has been happening more often than not at a lot of these casinos (RTG,Rival,etc)

Silc, if you are seriously trying to state that any RTG game that has had a paytable change in the last 5 years then I ask you to prove it.

No RTG game has had a pay scale change after going live, so please stick to the facts.

Woooof

 

[LOOKAWAY]

Silc, if you are seriously trying to state that any RTG game that has had a paytable change in the last 5 years then I ask you to prove it.

No RTG game has had a pay scale change after going live, so please stick to the facts.

Woooof

Fair enough, but it's possible these days.

But Rival done it with Dog pound dollars, changing the free spin multiplier from 6x to 3x, but they also made the wild symbol on a regular spin pay 2x.

I actually prefer the change they made.

 

[Richard]

Silc, if you are seriously trying to state that any RTG game that has had a paytable change in the last 5 years then I ask you to prove it.

No RTG game has had a pay scale change after going live, so please stick to the facts.

Woooof

Dog Boy with all due respect you are a LIAR! RTG red light green light was cut. The other games returns are not what they claim to be. They can post all the want that this slot is set at 97.5% But some of us know other wise. Then you got some King of Slots comes on here. Act like they ran this and that test. And the casinos numbers are correct. Yet and still they are promotors of casinos. All of this defending these casinos is tiresome. NFL, NBA, MLB, BOXING are controlled and fixed. Stocks are manipulated and fixed. News is manipulated and fixed. Even the GD weather is manipulated and fixed. Get out of here with that crap. RTG, RIVAL, MG they are all manipulated and fixed. Anyone who listens to these shills and affiliates IMHO are asking for it. Europe economy is nearly as worse as Ours. These casinos are taking people money to stay afloats. Just like the banks are hitting people with fees to stay afloats. Even Netspend is raising fees. You can keep all that Slot % crap, streakiness, and RTP BS! When the US shut the door on online gambling. It killed it Plain and Simple. America was your bread and butter We are all but gone now. Most of us are Broke and tired now. Some of us just play because we are junkies and need a quick fix. The outside world has shut us out. So we stay home confined to our computer. Some of us gets more love from it. Then from our own family and friends. The rest of the world economy outside of europe is nothing compared to US. Hell they can't even sell homes or cars here in America anymore. So Doggie Boy take that damn mask off your face. The gigs up PALE!

 

[chuchu59]

Wel, 4x bet seems to be the norm now for a bonusround on Cleo and Reel Party, got it twice on Reel Party yesterday and once on Cleo.
Funny I never had it before in almost a year of play.

Also hit a bonusround in free spins on Grandma's Attic yesterday, have to admit I hardly ever play that slot, but shouldnt that one multiplie by 3 also?
Got 400 coins on a 0.30 bet, in free spins.
If this is the original win x3, then what was the original win?

I had a couple of occasions where the bonus round paid 75 coins on a $0.15 bet with no key to open other chests. So it's still possible there is a low payout. What I am sure about is that in the past 2 scatters paid 1x bet and you see a lot of these. Now they pay zilch and if the payouts for other symbols have not increased they have definitely tampered with the RTP.

 

[De Beuker]

I had a couple of occasions where the bonus round paid 75 coins on a $0.15 bet with no key to open other chests. So it's still possible there is a low payout. What I am sure about is that in the past 2 scatters paid 1x bet and you see a lot of these. Now they pay zilch and if the payouts for other symbols have not increased they have definitely tampered with the RTP.

Ok, so it can be low, but what I mean is that 400/3 is 133.33
So its not like with Cleo, that it just multiplies the original win x3.
But maybe I'm just getting paranoid, lol

 

[silcnlayc]

DogBoy001: Silc, if you are seriously trying to state that any RTG game that has had a paytable change in the last 5 years then I ask you to prove it.

No RTG game has had a pay scale change after going live, so please stick to the facts.

Woooof

DogBoy001, I can't "prove" anything because I do not have acces to the inner workings of any casino. All I have is 16+ years of online gaming experience to know things HAVE changed.

I guess since I cannot "prove" it, I am wrong again..silly me...

Richardog Boy with all due respect you are a LIAR! RTG red light green light was cut

I was going to mention this one game where it was changed about YEAR AND A HALF AGO...No one could "prove" that either but it was done and I believe remembering that an RTG rep came on to say the reason they did change that was because it was paying double of what it should (the whole time it was out) without notice.

No "proof" here either...Just experience..so I guess it didn't happen again..
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