RealTime Gaming and Caribbean 21

[jyde]

I think I'm gonna throw up.

If the pirate isn't paid this game should never be put back online. It should only be remembered for being part of the biggest onlinescandal ever.

Can't believe they're using the pirate theme for advertising

 

[The Dude]

Actually, I think this is a sure sign that C21 will be paid.

Its re-release is the official seal of approval. Delanos Casino is now obligated (and liable) for C21's payment.

Correct me if I am wrong anybody.

On another note, I'm curious how affiliates of Phoenician will promote this:
"Try out the game that won a dude nearly $1,4 million dollars!!! Too bad his accounts are all locked up at all RTG casinos - and some of these casinos won't pay NO MATTER WHAT!!"
:axeman2:

All eyes turn to Delano...comments anyone?

 

[The Dude]

Can't believe they're using the pirate theme for advertising

Y'know. If "RTG's Caribbean 21" thread that was initially started - with the references to ports and all - had not been scrutinized for hacker-lingo, this would seem totally appropriate.
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/rtgs-caribbean-21.3274/

This whole situation has been so unnecessary. It could have been a marketer's dream.

 

[jyde]

Actually, I think this is a sure sign that C21 will be paid.

I took it for granted that the only problem was Hampton? Afterall they were the only ones to make up the robotproblem. I thought it was a matter of hours before his other accounts were reopened - especially after McMains posts.

Edit: I just reread the old posts. Is he owed 1.2 million from Hampton and $100K from Delano?

 

[The Dude]

I believe Delanos Casino has been sitting on the fence watching all of this, perhaps secretly hoping that the game was flawed. Well it ain't, and the proof is the rerelease, and the statements by Michael McMain that it's good to go.

So it looks like Delanos Casino needs to do the right thing and make this player a happy customer. I'm just wondering how much time this will take to do so.

 

[jyde]

If "RTG's Caribbean 21" thread that was initially started - with the references to ports and all - had not been scrutinized for hacker-lingo, this would seem totally appropriate

So you're saying he should just have said "harbours" instead of ports and not referred to the "21" crewmembers?

 

[The Dude]

I think Delanos was hoping this could have been applied in this case:
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8h. If you are found cheating or if it is determined by Delano Casino that you have used a system or machine, be, it an additional computer, additional software or otherwise used to circumvent the natural randomness of our systems

But with the release of the game, the ball is now in Delano's court. They need to explain to the player why his account is locked, and what needs to be done to have it reopened. I am sure they are aware of this situation, and they will do this promptly.

 

[caruso]

What a sickening promotional stunt by Phonecian. Didn't I say the RTG appearance here was designed to turn a PR disaster into a coup? Didn't take long for the licensees to start falling in line, did it? I wonder how long this has been in the offing? Was it in the pipeline while Ron The Gangster was threatening to bury Pirate up to his neck in cement?

Let's watch now as the other licensees all start to "yo ho ho" the game up again on the back of RTG's all-time greatest ever attempt at a screw job.

 

[jyde]

8h. If you are found cheating or if it is determined by Delano Casino that you have used a system or machine, be, it an additional computer, additional software or otherwise used to circumvent the natural randomness of our systems

That's the anti-hacking clause. However "if you are found cheating" can probably be used in every scenario where a player wins

 

[The Dude]

if you are found cheating...

Too vague. Me thinks statements like these will begin to disappear from RTG casino T&C pages.

 

[gamblinboi]

Too vague. Me thinks statements like these will begin to disappear from RTG casino T&C pages.

oh come on - there are some casinos that have terms that amount to the following:

"If you follow the terms and condititions to a T, meet the wagering requirements and then cashout with the bonus, you COULD have your winnings voided and only your deposit returned to you."

Compared to that, the "caught cheating" clause is mostly harmless.

Then you have other casinos, say World Wide Vegas, who don't care and just make up rules and so called proof as soon as you win in order to disqualify your winnings.

 

[jetset]

Opportunistic advertising...extremely distasteful given that this sadass affair drags on, imo but good taste and sensitivity has rarely been a strong point in this business.

I think Bryan has a very good point here - we're all focusing on whether Hampton will do the right thing, but there's something like $96K (or was it $70K - so much has happened?) frozen at Delano and the Pirate should now be paid. Maybe with interest, too!

If the game is back in play with a certifying note from RTG that there is no evidence of crooked or illicit play that should be all Delano need to settle with the player.

Delano still have their name intact, having not been dragged into the BS Hampton have been trying to pull, so they can still step back gracefully from this situation.

But the entire industry is now waiting to see what the Hampton people do - their old position of denying this win is untenable in my view.

 

[portia]

Delanos, surely will do the right thing here.

 

[RTG_MMcMain]

In recent past the play logs were sent out by RTG not the casino. Can you confirm that Pc21's play logs are available to him as he requested in the other thread on this forum?

RealTime Gaming often assists casinos that need help collecting player log information. We collect and distribute player logs with the consent of the casino. Now that fraud has been ruled out we will begin working with all of this player's casinos to assist them in addressing his needs.

Are you able to state what is the basis of the monthly payments liscensees pay to RTG now?

Other than what I have already stated, I cannot comment on this topic further.

 

[spearmaster]

Hmm.

Mr. McMain, given the fact that two people (one of them being myself) with a fair bit of knowledge about the industry have already disputed your claim that RTG does not receive royalties, surely it would be in your best interests to either explain further, correct your statement or dispute our claims?

 

[RTG_MMcMain]

If I might add one more question just for clarification, please - during the exhaustive tests on the software did RTG personnel also check out Pirate's gaming logs? If so, did they similarly not suggest the use of a bot?

If not, then I would suggest that Pirate's request for his gaming logs from Hampton be granted direct by RTG (can't trust Hampton as a middleman)

Part of every investigation of this type is to review the game logs. Reviewing that information was done to determine a number of things but the primary focus was to determine the overal balance of the game according to the style of play. We had to make sure there was nothing missed during the design of the game that presented a positive player expectation. We concluded our investigation by finding that the game held a casino advantage, hence my post here.

Our investigation was not conducted to determine if he did or didn't use, a BOT. Game log review could not definitively answer that question.

 

[jyde]

Our investigation was not conducted to determine if he did or didn't use, a BOT. Game log review could not definitively answer that question.

It's getting better and better. RTG didn't even LOOK for robotplay. Why would they?

Mr. McMain - in a situation like this, would the licensee or a third party have full access (all details) to the game logs?

 

[spearmaster]

I am more than a bit concerned that the issue of royalties is not being addressed. It seems to me that RTG is trying to avoid any responsibility for the debt incurred by one of its licensees.

I will report back if I find anything - but I am now a bit worried.

 

[RTG_MMcMain]

Mr. McMain - in a situation like this, would the licensee or a third party have full access (all details) to the game logs?

The licensee always has full access to the information related to the casino operation. Some of the database architecture is intentionally kept private (support would be a nightmare otherwise). That is why we often have to help casinos collect some of the information they are seeking.

 

[jetset]

"Now that fraud has been ruled out we will begin working with all of this player's casinos to assist them in addressing his needs."

Thanks for answering that question Mike M - I'm taking that to mean that the player will at last be able to get hold of his logs now - it is my understanding that he has been unable to achieve this through Hampton despite site claims that this information is available on request, and it will likely be useful in an evidential sense should this case go to litigation.

Off at something of a tangent, I have to say that RTG management's evasive posture on this royalties question is troubling me, too...

 

[spearmaster]

Could this perhaps be why they are evasive? This was certainly the case when I checked... and this link is from around that time.

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If RTG have suddenly stopped collecting royalties, I am certainly not aware of this fact.

 

[jyde]

Of course they collect royalties. I can't think of a serious softwareprovider that DON'T collect royalties. They don't make a living from selling software - the big bugs are in royalties.

 

[LemmeSeeHere]

Could this perhaps be why they are evasive? This was certainly the case when I checked... and this link is from around that time.

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If RTG have suddenly stopped collecting royalties, I am certainly not aware of this fact.

Spearmaster,

The distinction is that casino operators do not license directly from RTG. They license from a mysterious 3rd party (based in Panama) called Montana. Montana receives all royalties from RTG operators.

Presumably, Montana pays RTG some sort of flat fee for the software.

 

[spearmaster]

Spearmaster,

The distinction is that casino operators do not license directly from RTG. They license from a mysterious 3rd party (based in Panama) called Montana. Montana receives all royalties from RTG operators.

Presumably, Montana pays RTG some sort of flat fee for the software.

Ah yes, true this may be, in part. But it really has little bearing on the outcome - for all intents and purposes we're talking about the same people. Also, it makes no sense for RTG to state on their own website that a monthly royalty must be paid in addition to licensing fees, and then say that the payments are negotiable depending on circumstances, if they were not the representatives of the mysterious Panamanian 3rd party known as Montana.

RTG was not only a software provider then - and they are still the ones attending conferences and closing deals - so the mysterious Montana is essentially nothing but a company controlled and operated by RTG. It wouldn't take much more digging to establish whether this is true or not - and I would highly suggest that no amount of obfuscation in future will hide the truth, so better to get it over with once and for all and let RTG/Montana deal with Hamptons to ensure that the issue is satisfactorily resolved.

And let's not talk about the "independent" watchdog formerly known as Safebet.

 

[cipher]

Spearmaster,

The distinction is that casino operators do not license directly from RTG. They license from a mysterious 3rd party (based in Panama) called Montana. Montana receives all royalties from RTG operators.

Presumably, Montana pays RTG some sort of flat fee for the software.

Alright LemmeSeeHere, I'll bite.

Do you mind if I ask, how is it that you've come across this knowledge incident to this previously unheard of "MONTANA" who is based in Panama? Would you care to divulge any additional information about "MONTANA" and the royalty arrangement that exists between Realtime Gaming and this person?

By the way welcome to the forum.