R.I.P. QuickTender... No More QT - What Now For U.S. Players?

[X-Raided]

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Is now gone. Just got the email today.

What can U.S. players do now?

 

[rockycatt]

Since our last email communication where we advised any funds in your QuickTender account could still be used to purchase at QuickTender accepting sites we had been working hard to reinstate our withdrawal facility and ensuring your funds where safe and secure.

However, further developments specifically relating to our main bank processing company have resulted in our accounts being frozen subject to a seizure order giving us no ability to make payments in any currency.

In light of these developments we have had no option but to discontinue the Quicktender service with immediate effect and for the foreseeable future.

At this time we are unable to confirm when or if we could make payments of remaining balances.

We will keep you advised of future relevant developments.

george bush is at the bottom of this nay he rot in a pit

 

[secret2]

Since our last email communication where we advised any funds in your QuickTender account could still be used to purchase at QuickTender accepting sites we had been working hard to reinstate our withdrawal facility and ensuring your funds where safe and secure.

However, further developments specifically relating to our main bank processing company have resulted in our accounts being frozen subject to a seizure order giving us no ability to make payments in any currency.

In light of these developments we have had no option but to discontinue the Quicktender service with immediate effect and for the foreseeable future.

At this time we are unable to confirm when or if we could make payments of remaining balances.

We will keep you advised of future relevant developments.

george bush is at the bottom of this nay he rot in a pit

Oh, so Clinton or Obama has NOTHING to do with this.


Maybe it's Carter, or Reagan...or even FDR?

Sheesh, enough of pushing it back on a President, already.


Oh, WAIT!!! It was Nixon!!!!

 

[Pocketdiggers77]

US players can now go their local B&M casino and deposit with zero fees, receive free room and board, free food, free drinks and this is the REAL kicker if the US player HAPPENS to beat the odds and ACTUALLY win money at the casino they can receive their CASH in hand. No weekly max cashouts, no submitting documents(unless you win big enough), no waiting 5-10 business days to get the money.

Internet Gambing for US citizens was dead before QT's funds were seized. Even if you were playing we were getting killed by all of the deposit and withdrawal fees. Everyone along the way was cutting up the pie. I say good riddance and I will get my entertainment another way. QT was taking advantage of the players and the casinos, I hope they saved all of that money for lawyers because they are going to need it.

PD

 

[lnspin]

US players can now go their local B&M casino and deposit with zero fees, receive free room and board, free food, free drinks and this is the REAL kicker if the US player HAPPENS to beat the odds and ACTUALLY win money at the casino they can receive their CASH in hand. No weekly max cashouts, no submitting documents(unless you win big enough), no waiting 5-10 business days to get the money.

Internet Gambing for US citizens was dead before QT's funds were seized. Even if you were playing we were getting killed by all of the deposit and withdrawal fees. Everyone along the way was cutting up the pie. I say good riddance and I will get my entertainment another way. QT was taking advantage of the players and the casinos, I hope they saved all of that money for lawyers because they are going to need it.

PD

This is all true, but some of us have to drive 2.5 hours to a casino. It was so easy, just to play whenever you wanted.

How about if you only want to play for an hour, you have to get up, get dressed, drive to casino, stay there then drive home, its a day long affair to only play for an hour.

I would rather play from home and wait a day or 2 for payments, not go to a casino and get stuck there.

 

[EndofEsau]

US players can now go their local B&M casino and deposit with zero fees, receive free room and board, free food, free drinks and this is the REAL kicker if the US player HAPPENS to beat the odds and ACTUALLY win money at the casino they can receive their CASH in hand. No weekly max cashouts, no submitting documents(unless you win big enough), no waiting 5-10 business days to get the money.

Internet Gambing for US citizens was dead before QT's funds were seized. Even if you were playing we were getting killed by all of the deposit and withdrawal fees. Everyone along the way was cutting up the pie. I say good riddance and I will get my entertainment another way. QT was taking advantage of the players and the casinos, I hope they saved all of that money for lawyers because they are going to need it.

PD

AGREED 100% VERY WELL SAID!!!

 

[Pocketdiggers77]

This is all true, but some of us have to drive 2.5 hours to a casino. It was so easy, just to play whenever you wanted.

How about if you only want to play for an hour, you have to get up, get dressed, drive to casino, stay there then drive home, its a day long affair to only play for an hour.

I would rather play from home and wait a day or 2 for payments, not go to a casino and get stuck there.

I knew my statement wouldn't be popular on an advocate site for internet gambling and there is no doubt this will hurt your affiliate $'s. I have to drive 6+ hours to get to a legitimate casino and we all know the price of gasoline but QT was not the answer for US players. There has to be competition on a level playing field. QT for all intents and purposes was a monopoly. They could charge the 5% and then tack on anywhere from 3%-10% in coversion rate charges.

Americans will gamble and they will gamble online. It is going to take something major for it to happen and maybe this is the start of it.

 

[rockycatt]

Oh, so Clinton or Obama has NOTHING to do with this.


Maybe it's Carter, or Reagan...or even FDR?

Sheesh, enough of pushing it back on a President, already.


Oh, WAIT!!! It was Nixon!!!!

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On October 13, 2006, President George W. Bush signed into law the UIGEA.7 Senator Bill Frist (R-Tenn) attached the legislation to an unrelated port-security bill

just moments before it was voted on.8 The UIGEA’s unexpected enactment created industry hysteria.9 Stock prices of publicly-traded e-casinos10 plummeted, wiping out over approximately seven billion dollars of market value.11 Some of the most prominent e-casinos pulled out of the U.S. market entirely.12 Since then, the mass media has churned out wide-ranging commentary on the Act; from complete dismissals of its viability to comparisons with Prohibition.

 

[Rebel2k5]

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On October 13, 2006, President George W. Bush signed into law the UIGEA.7 Senator Bill Frist (R-Tenn) attached the legislation to an unrelated port-security bill

just moments before it was voted on.8 The UIGEA’s unexpected enactment created industry hysteria.9 Stock prices of publicly-traded e-casinos10 plummeted, wiping out over approximately seven billion dollars of market value.11 Some of the most prominent e-casinos pulled out of the U.S. market entirely.12 Since then, the mass media has churned out wide-ranging commentary on the Act; from complete dismissals of its viability to comparisons with Prohibition.

And the current administration is enforcing it. If your friend Obama and pals wanted to, they could work on a bill to legalize it.

I hope you rot in a pit for putting the blame on a single person. You knew banking transactions were illegal for online casinos/poker, yet you still played.

Typical Americans, always putting the blame on someone else.

It's not really that hard to move to another country. Go to Canada and stop bitching about past presidents.

 

[pokerdan]

I hope everyone gets paid and hasn't lost too much money. For us in the U.S., I think betonsoft stock has just went up.. You can still buy in and play there..

 

[Nifty29]

And the current administration is enforcing it. If your friend Obama and pals wanted to, they could work on a bill to legalize it.

I hope you rot in a pit for putting the blame on a single person. You knew banking transactions were illegal for online casinos/poker, yet you still played.

Typical Americans, always putting the blame on someone else.

It's not really that hard to move to another country. Go to Canada and stop bitching about past presidents.

Can't you just disagree without making it personal?

Telling someone to rot in a pit is completely uncalled for.

 

[Webzcas]

And the current administration is enforcing it. If your friend Obama and pals wanted to, they could work on a bill to legalize it.

I hope you rot in a pit for putting the blame on a single person. You knew banking transactions were illegal for online casinos/poker, yet you still played.

Typical Americans, always putting the blame on someone else.

It's not really that hard to move to another country. Go to Canada and stop bitching about past presidents.

No need for those comments IMO - They come across as inflammatory.

This is a very topical issue and it effects a large number of the members of the forum. Can we all try and keep this thread from heading south?

Thanks

 

[daveboz]

I hope everyone gets paid and hasn't lost too much money. For us in the U.S., I think betonsoft stock has just went up.. You can still buy in and play there..

any luck at bet on soft sites?

 

[adedpoet1]

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On October 13, 2006, President George W. Bush signed into law the UIGEA.7 Senator Bill Frist (R-Tenn) attached the legislation to an unrelated port-security bill

just moments before it was voted on.8 The UIGEA’s unexpected enactment created industry hysteria.9 Stock prices of publicly-traded e-casinos10 plummeted, wiping out over approximately seven billion dollars of market value.11 Some of the most prominent e-casinos pulled out of the U.S. market entirely.12 Since then, the mass media has churned out wide-ranging commentary on the Act; from complete dismissals of its viability to comparisons with Prohibition.

I believe that since there is no line item veto, Bush could not have vetoed it (even if he wanted to) without killing the port security bill. Wonder who attached the bill at the last minute?

 

[lots0]

I believe that since there is no line item veto, Bush could not have vetoed it (even if he wanted to) without killing the port security bill. Wonder who attached the bill at the last minute?

Oh most of us that have been here for a while know who, when and even why...

In a back room in the middle of their LAST night in power, 4 Republican US Senators pushed thru the UGIEA, as a last second attachment to the MUST PASS Port Security Act... Not a single other Senator or Congressperson, besides the 4 corrupt Senators had even read the UGIEA before it made into the law of the land.The vast majority of Congress didn't even know the UGIEA existed until AFTER it was law. Hows that for your government in action?

In the archives here at CM there are many many threads about the UGIEA and the corrupt process of how it was passed into law...

 

[lots0]

I knew my statement wouldn't be popular on an advocate site for internet gambling and there is no doubt this will hurt your affiliate $'s. I have to drive 6+ hours to get to a legitimate casino and we all know the price of gasoline but QT was not the answer for US players. There has to be competition on a level playing field. QT for all intents and purposes was a monopoly. They could charge the 5% and then tack on anywhere from 3%-10% in coversion rate charges.

Americans will gamble and they will gamble online. It is going to take something major for it to happen and maybe this is the start of it.

The government is going to have to learn that they can't stop people from doing what they want.

A 45 year old drug war... and the Drugs are still winning...
Now they want to start a war on online gambling... I wonder how long this war on online gambling will go on before the government admits they can't win and force people to act the way the government wants. Maybe another 40 or 50 years???

No I say we toss out the ass holes that keep making these really bad laws...

 

[Scooter7]

No I say we toss out the ass holes that keep making these really bad laws...

My American friends do vote out the assholes. The only problem is that they have short attention spans. When the new government doesn't wave a magic wand and solve all of the country's problems in a heartbeat, they bring the same assholes back into power at the next election.

 

[lots0]

My American friends do vote out the assholes. The only problem is that they have short attention spans. When the new government doesn't wave a magic wand and solve all of the country's problems in a heartbeat, they bring the same assholes back into power at the next election.

When things get bad, like they are now, people do pay attention and don't forget.

Every election in the past two years has had RECORD turn out, as people start to understand that what happens in their state capitals and in Washington do effect their lives. We just had a bond election in my state. So many people showed up that ALL the polling places ran out of paper ballots... They actually had to photo copy ballots.
People are paying attention... and that's a very good thing!

 

[labeled]

RTG able to process...

So, the question I have today is if RTG is able to process payments and withdrawals in a number of ways, why are Rivals not able to do the same?

Is RTG just sticking their neck out more than the Rivals, or is there something I'm just not getting?

 

[footdr]

What can u.s. players do now?

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What can U.S. players do now?

cover their behinds! It appears those who requested and whose wiretransfers through QT were "confirmed" between approx. May 5 and 15th have been screwed. I requested a wiretransfer on the 16th and it was shown as processed on the 17th, luckily it was returned to my account on the 18th as rejected by the bank and I immediately redeposited the funds to the "merchant that had paid me". Thank you Lord.

As far as now what do we do, I suggest we stop playing until things calm down. But, personally, I think the jig is up for now. Maybe forever.

 

[Pocketdiggers77]

So are the casinos screwed out of their money as well? Even though you did receive your money I am willing to bet the casino did not receive the money from QT. It probably went in to their merchant account. I dont know how ewallets work for the merchants so this is just speculation.

 

[secret2]

Thanks

My American friends do vote out the assholes. The only problem is that they have short attention spans. When the new government doesn't wave a magic wand and solve all of the country's problems in a heartbeat, they bring the same assholes back into power at the next election.

Thanks.

So, it seems that we have a 'Serial Asshole' problem, in the USA?

 

[furrykef]

You knew banking transactions were illegal for online casinos/poker, yet you still played.

It is not illegal. It is only "illegal" by a creative interpretation of the laws that, nonetheless, the federal government is acting as if it were true. In particular, the UIGEA only applied to gambling that was already illegal. There is no federal law that makes online gambling itself illegal. Some have claimed that the Federal Wire Act makes it illegal, but they are full of horsecrap: it only applies to "[anyone] engaged in the business of betting or wagering knowingly us[ing] a wire communication facility for the transmission in interstate or foreign commerce of bets or wagers or information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers on any sporting event or contest". Translation: professionally making sports bets across state lines (e.g. as a bookie). Not online casinos or poker. I am not a lawyer, but there are people who are who agree with this interpretation.

This whole "online gambling = illegal in the US" is FUD that I really wish people would stop spreading. Actually believing that crap is just playing into the government's hands.

There are states that have laws against online gambling. In those places, it is indisputably illegal. There are

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as of 2007; possibly more by now. But if you're not in such a state, then it is not illegal.

 

[X-Raided]

Just imagine all the online casinos that were banking off of U.S. players...
They must feel sick to their stomachs. Enzo must be losing sleep waking
up in night sweats.

Now U.S. players don't have much of an option for depositing. Besides
Credit Cards.. QT is gone, and Click2Pay won't take on new registrants.

Online casinos need to regroup, protect their assets, (U.S. consumers)
and create or work together on a system that is easy to deposit and
easy to withdraw, and still be able to fly under the radar so that the Department
of Jaggoffs doesn't catch on.

 

[takethemoney]

Ewallets that serve the USA are done. I wouldn't trust my money in any of them. I'm only saying that because nobody has any control over when the DOJ is gonna seize the next funds, not that I distrust the operators trying to provide the service. It's just too unreliable, given what's already happened. Western Union or MoneyGram should be a withdrawal option, no matter the funding source. Visa Debit might work for awhile, but that's gonna be a time bomb too. They are looking closer at the kinds of transactions being charged to the cards and as they delve deeper into it there are going to be operators who lose these funding sources and may even get charged back by the financial institutions.

 

[cpdnd31]

There is a way to still deposit but it hasn't been tested by me yet.. and I don't know how cost effective it would be.. You would have to buy Ukash from lib reserv. to do that you have to trade funds for lib reserv. dollars then go to ukash secondary sellers and use lib reserve money to buy ukash... Have not tried it like I said but those that are desperate enough good luck.

And DOJ can't touch it because your buying lib reserve dollars and using those dollars to buy ukash- ukash is non traceable... also have to check which casinos still take ukash.

While looking into websites I noticed Liqpay I believe that was there name stay away I found a forum of people complaining about them... Just some thoughts good luck

 

[4 of a kind]

If Western Union and Money Gram became the main source for USA players to get money to and from gaming and poker sites, it would not last long at all.

In the early years when online gaming just started, I wasn’t comfortable yet using any of my credit cards online for anything, especially giving different assorted personal banking information over the internet to online casinos. This was when credit card transactions weren’t even banned yet.

Across the street from my business was a W.U. agent and I was doing all my gaming deposits through them. I had to always call first and get a name and country to send the funds too. These names were always some weird 3 name names, and hard to pronounce let alone try to spell them. Any cash outs I always waited for a check through snail mail.

I predominately was playing at Golden Palace Casino and always got a different name every time I did a wire. The names usually were from the same group of about six different names. Not only was this technique time consuming, several times the agent or myself would make a mistake with one letter or something, and I then would be forced to call W.U. and go through this whole hassle of canceling the transaction and then correcting the information and then send another wire.

After 10 months of sending wires I went to make another deposit and the agent told me it didn’t go through and that W.U. wanted me to contact their investigation office, and gave me a phone number to call. I of course didn’t make the call and immediately stopped using W.U. After a couple of days went by, I received a certified letter from W.U. requesting the same to contact their office. I made the call and was asked why I sent in 10 months 94 thousand dollars to this same group of people. I said that a couple of friends and me were gambling online, and sent the money through me since I had an agent across the street. They told me they no longer would process any of my wires, and I may be contacted in the future for more detailed information. I said no problem and never sent another wire since and never heard from them again.

The casinos could never have enough names to mix it up enough if everyone started to use this avenue. Not only would every wire you send or receive be detailed and documented directly to you, the whole Western Union thing would crash and burn within months.

 

[maxd]

I hope you rot in a pit .... Go to Canada ... stop bitching ....

Please (re)read the Forum Rules and ease up on the personal attacks and flames. Thank you for your cooperation.

 

[DarkMage]

The online gambling world should be fine. At many sportsbook I use I can use CC to deposit instantly with no problems and get a payout in anywhere from 12hrs to 3 days for some methods and nothing has changed since the seizures in recent weeks.


There is to much $$ at stake for people to throw in the towel. I would much prefer instead of a new "big" e-wallet popping up next a bunch of small ones pop up that equal each other in size(5-6) of them so they would be competing for customers(quicker processing times, better cs, lower fee's, ect..)

I feel sorry for those of you with money trapped in QT but I NEVER trusted QT at all to hold on to anything above $100, either it was withdrawn to my bank account or put in a safe casino, in this industry and the history of e-wallet seizures you simply can not trust them and when the next e-wallets pop up do not keep anything above $100 in them, since it is simply unsafe.

 

[LHofsdal]

What I find weird, it that the QT website was totally taken off line, you can't see your account information or anything. But EWX still has their website up and I can still view my account. I didn't have any money in QT account, but I have alot of money in EWX from my RJP win a few weeks before they were seized.

I am wondering if there is alot more going on here then we all know about. These are 2 of the bigger processors that were left, and both were "seized" by the DOJ, but one website was totally take down off the web and the other wasn't. Kinda makes you wonder why....

LH

 

[furrykef]

I feel sorry for those of you with money trapped in QT but I NEVER trusted QT at all to hold on to anything above $100, either it was withdrawn to my bank account or put in a safe casino, in this industry and the history of e-wallet seizures you simply can not trust them and when the next e-wallets pop up do not keep anything above $100 in them, since it is simply unsafe.

Yeah, I hear you on that one. I'm one of those unlucky saps. I never wanted to put money into QT in the first place, but I was cashing out from Cirrus -- I know, I know! I hate them too; I'd won the money off a free chip, but now I don't want to play with them even for that much -- and they told me that was the only way I could withdraw.

I'm really kicking myself over this because I could have had the money if only I didn't dawdle. I'd won the money ($216) in 2009 and I let it just sit there because I didn't particularly need it at the time, then I continued to let it sit there because I'd forgotten how much it was. I started to withdraw it on January 30 of this year and let it sit again when they were having problems and told me I needed to contact the withdrawal department. I hadn't been much of a gambler since 2005-2006, so I guess I was ignorant of how bad the situation had gotten. So it's my fault, really, but it still sucks.

I wonder if I'm going to get screwed even if QT does come back, because the money wasn't already in my account when they got shut down. It was "en route" between Cirrus and QT, so to speak. I contacted Cirrus and they claimed it's already sent and they don't have the money anymore. Betcha anything QT's gonna say they don't have the money either...

All this because of the government seizing money they have to right to seize. It disgusts me. We Americans need to stand up for our rights instead of letting the government just kick us around like this. Unfortunately, it's not gonna happen, because everybody already believes online gambling is illegal here, no matter how much it isn't.

 

[all4greed]

What I find weird, it that the QT website was totally taken off line, you can't see your account information or anything. But EWX still has their website up and I can still view my account. I didn't have any money in QT account, but I have alot of money in EWX from my RJP win a few weeks before they were seized.

I am wondering if there is alot more going on here then we all know about. These are 2 of the bigger processors that were left, and both were "seized" by the DOJ, but one website was totally take down off the web and the other wasn't. Kinda makes you wonder why....

LH

The EWE issue is past 6 months now. Like you said, the website is up but no live chat. Haven't tried to call them, doubt anyone would answer. I'm amazed how these other seizures receive more press and a quicker response time on admitting what happened than EWE.

Without thread jacking, what would be the point of EWE still running the website like a legit/ongoing business? Why did they have CS people for months answering with generic questions?

I don't believe the money was seized, looks more like embezzlement and someone needed time to make a getaway.