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Quick Question about slot play?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by cpdnd31, Mar 9, 2010.

    Mar 9, 2010
  1. cpdnd31

    cpdnd31 Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

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    Hi all while looking thru screenshots I noticed that some players dont play full bets on slots meaning on a 25 line slot they will play 21 ant 5 x there bet. Is there a reason why? Im just curious there are some nice wins with these bets.
     
  2. Mar 9, 2010
  3. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    One reason can be that it's a method for increasing the variance.

    For example, if you want to play $1 a spin on a 25 line slot, normally you would be playing 4 cents a line. So when you hit a payout that pays say 1,000 coins, you get 4,000 coins. If you reduce the lines to 20, you are betting 5 cents a line, so the same payout would be 5,000 coins, however you are reducing your chances of getting it by 1/5th (25 lines down to 20).

    It would therefore be natural to see higher wins, but less often...the symptoms of higher variance. But bear in mind that in this example, your bankroll will be depleted 20% faster ;-)

    You're effectively sacrificing some of the smaller wins for the chance of more bigger wins, but there's the danger a big win will come in on a line you discarded which is a real bummer LOL. It's quite a good way of turning those slots that tend to give you lots of small wins that are less than your bet size into more interesting propositions, if you find that kind of game frustrating.

    I wouldn't recommend it on high variance slots like Isis, Scary Rich or Rain Dance though ;) And you definitely don't want to do it if you are grinding out a WR!
     
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  5. baabaa006

    baabaa006 Experienced Member

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    Simmo is spot on. It's a very good way to increase the variance of a slot.

    It can also be used to increase your chances of cashing out (generally at the expense of playtime though).

    I'll explain further.

    Let's say you have a bankroll of $100 and will cash out if you get this up to say $500. If your betting $1 per spin (with 25 lines selected), you are going to require a lot of multiple good hits to get this up to $500. However if you are betting $1 (and single line selected), you have the potential to get to your cash out limit in a single hit.

    Some machines betting max lines will never get you too your cash out requirement (they are just two low variance), this is where this method of betting comes into play (for me anyway).
     
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  7. cpdnd31

    cpdnd31 Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

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    Thank you for your help but it now leads me to another question. Lets take rtg how do you figure out which slots are the high varience? At 3 dice they list them but Ive never noticed on rtg sites. Well I guess the question should be how do you figure out slot varience?
     
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  9. maphesto

    maphesto Ueber Meister CAG MM webmeister

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    I think that Kasinoking is linking to a site with such info. He is probably the owner of the site. I am not sure of that.:)

    I know that I liked much of the info there.
     
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  11. blonde

    blonde Senior Member

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    I always played max lines until one day someone told me to try just playing 23 out of 25 etc. I tried it and wow I seen a difference in my pay outs. I go back and forth now as I don't want to miss not winning something lol.
     
  12. Mar 9, 2010
  13. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    I put up a rough guide to variance of some of the original individual slots at You must register/login in order to see the link. and some of the more recent ones (with videos of the bonus features) on You must register/login in order to see the link. (a work in progress).
     
  14. Mar 9, 2010
  15. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    I guess you are referring to SlotBeaters.com?
    I do give my opinion on the variance of all the slots from some softwares on that site - but not for many of the RTG ones because I very rarely play them...
    If RTG's had better bonuses & I knew what each casino had their RTPs set on it would be a different story. ;)

    Thanks for the compliment! :thumbsup:
    KK
     
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  17. Jasminebed

    Jasminebed Closer to 100 than Birth

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    For RTG games with stacked wilds, like Paydirt or expanding wilds, like Realm of Riches, playing less than max lines might be advantageous, given that there is a max cap of 50,000x line bet.

    While 20 lines pays $1,000 if you get bunches of wilds, 15 lines might well pay the same $1,000.

    RTG is the only platform I know that caps a spin win.
     
  18. Mar 9, 2010
  19. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Very good point!
    And one thing I don't think we've ever had fully explained is how does that effect the RTP?
    If a lot of people were hitting these "capped wins" that would definitely reduce the RTP (unless it is already factored in).

    WagerWork also have a cap - on the number of free-spin re-triggers you can get on some of their slots, and I think some have a "Max win from a single spin" rule as well.
    However, the odds of getting to the max free-spins on their slots is probably similar to the chances of getting struck by lightning just as you win the lottery while giving birth to sextuplets... :p

    KK
     
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  21. maphesto

    maphesto Ueber Meister CAG MM webmeister

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    Sometimes when I am on my way to lose everything and have only 3$ left I play 5 lines on outta this world with 10p/line or more.

    Surprisingly often it works well. :thumbsup:

    Its the same with that Pinocchio slot Wooden Boy.
     
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  23. De Beuker

    De Beuker Senior Member

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    I think its factored in already, I saw a screenshot once that had all 5 crowns in freespins on Realms of Riches, and it clearly showed 'you won on 5 lines', while in fact it should have been 'you won on 20 lines'.

    Unfortunately it was not my screenshot.. :D
     
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  25. nisosbar

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    Only thing I wonder about this strategy is, what if, for example, you are playing Scary Rich, in bonus rounds, and get two or three vampires on the first two (or three) reels, and you are playing only 10 lines? Your hit would be halved, wouldn't it?
     
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  27. cpdnd31

    cpdnd31 Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

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    My next question would be if your playing $1.00 bet all lines, then you switch to 23 lines x5 and hit on that can a casino then say you were trying to manupulate your bet? Therefore not pay you.

    By playing less lines are you then excluded from a random jackpot?

    When playing less lines how do you figure the the bet amout meaning 23 lines x ?
     

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