question about BPU

[Sissy]

I surrender! I do not come here as BPU. And for the record, I have no hard feelings toward anyone. It is not personal with me.

I just want to be effective concerning what is and will happen in the online bingo industry as I cannot perform miracles and change what was or has happened.

Things change. Opinions change. Players change. Sites change. I am open to change from anyone at any time.

And for the record also, I have deep scars the same as you but they have healed and I have let them go. Again I cannot change what HAS happened, only what will concerning my own actions.

We can make our own choices to either hold grudges, or get over it. I am over it. Have a great day

Had the same open-mindedness being shown to 123 Bingo been given to the sites we were attempting to show the other side of, there might not be any bad feelings today, on anyones' part.

Had these sites taken the time to respond to attemtped communications, privately or publicly, I can't speak for BPU as we are a group, but I can tell you that I would be the first up to the plate with an open mind. I WANT to work with them. But working WITH takes two parties. I communicated, they didn't.

This is the end of any discussions for me about BPU. I come here as a member, in good standing I hope. I come here as Sissy. I have thoughts and ideas and opinions that are mine alone and are not connected with anything but how I feel. I request that you see me as just that and allow me to be myself without my choice of job being involved. BPU business has a place and it is not here.
Thanks for understanding.

 

[Sassy1]

I surrender! I do not come here as BPU. And for the record, I have no hard feelings toward anyone. It is not personal with me

I request that you see me as just that and allow me to be myself without my choice of job being involved. BPU business has a place and it is not here.

Sissy, I respect and appreciate a lot of what you said in your last post, but on this one issue (that you don't come here as BPU), I beg to differ.

A member here asked if anyone knew anything about 123 Bingo. Some of us gave our opinions. Then you came on here and said the following:

They have had some ups and downs in the past, but seem to running a good site. David, the manager, is always quick to work with BPU if we have issues that come to us concerning his site. I have done some monitoring of 123Bingo and they have some really good jackpots. All I know for fact is what I see and read, but on a trial run I guess 123 would be as good as any to try out.

They also have a cashback perk that I have never seen before at any site. If you spend all of your deposit and bonuses, you simply go to live help and ask for "cashback" and they will put back the amount you deposited in you account as a cash balance to play on.

I hear they are adding new games etc. As with any bingo site, read the rules and ask all of your questions BEFORE you deposit . Good luck should you decide to try it Byand!!

To me, you were representing BPU with those comments. In fact, I was concerned that he might try the place out based on your recommendations because you are from BPU, a bingo watchdog site, and that he might not give the same weight to concerns NOT to play there, since I'm just a member here and not coming from a watchdog site.

Here's another example:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/is-this-the-worst-customer-service-ever.19199/

We hope to make some contact with someone from there soon. We have been exchanging emails with another site who is showing some willingness to try to get this settled and have the operators of BingoIsUs pay the people they owe. Will keep updates posted when/if we do finally hear something

Who's 'we?'

So, I think if you don't want to be associated here with BPU, you need to stop mentioning BPU?

 

[dynamitewoman]

Quote from sassy:
It's unfortunate that there doesn't seem to be consistency at BPU regarding your statements I quoted in this post. IF, in fact, BPU were open to change and believed that through businesslike manners issues can be resolved and relationships be established to further open communication between sites and players, there wouldn't be the bad memories and battle wounds that myself and perky34b experienced when we attempted to show BPU that some of the sites up for discussion there (in an extremely negative and seemingly unswayable way) were sites that we had good experiences at that we felt were getting a bad rap that maybe wasn't deserved
*********************************************************Speaking for myself I think it great that some players can have enjoyable experiences at sites even though others can not share that point of view. it is a matter of personal discretion, choice and perceptions.
I can say however, that when there are a group of players that have documented discrepancies and issues surrounding a site, there is some credibility existing that something may be amiss. When research indicates that a site is not willing to communicate effectively with the depositing player or a third party entity with the objective of reaching a resolution, mediation and negotiations become moot and it would indeed be ill advised to recommend such a site, regardless of contrary claims.
Some of the most notoriously deviated and underhanded sites still have players that want to attest to their "fairness" and player friendly ambience, and to that I say....Good for you that you have not fallen under their axe and are enjoying your experience, but please do not attempt to negate the documented and proven trials that have befallen others who have regretfully trusted a sites marketing ploys and presentations.
What does it matter if a hundred people have no problems and one does that has been royally screwed? Should that person be dismissed or brushed off with a " too bad, but your in the minority so eat it and be gone? What I am saying that it is the individual that should be the concern and not the overall reputation of a site that ultimately determines a step into the truth. Every site has the option of communication devices and player friendly methods to acquire and keep depositing players, and sometimes that fails for one reason or another and there has to be recourse for the individual. "They have a wonderful reputation, they couldn't have cheated you" is just not enough. Research through observation,facts and documented evidence is more closely allied with the truth of any situation. Sites that get a "bad rap" that MAYBE wasnt deserved, is just as valueless and invalid as saying MAYBE they cheated a player.
Confronting a player(s) that has proven to have been cheated and fouled by a site, and you are armed with nothing more than mere heresay and personal experience is without merit and a bit tactless.
As it has been said, the proof is in the pudding and anyone that wishes to is welcome and invited to submit actual evidence that refutes a negative claim regarding any site that extends past the "opinion" level.
Opinions are welcome, but as expressions of personal discretion and assessment only and may have little or nothing to do with reality. Just because we beleive something does not make it true!

 

[Sassy1]

I can say however, that when there are a group of players that have documented discrepancies and issues surrounding a site, there is some credibility existing that something may be amiss.

Documented discrepancies? Are you talking about the two regular BPU members who were allowed to speculate as to who were house players at the site that I was defending, even down to naming names? Those same two regular' BPU members who continued to play at the site, beg players for gifts, and play the free games, while at the same time posting at BPU crucifying the site? One even created two usernames at BPU pretending to be two different people with bad experiences at the bingo site, and when some of the members from the bingo site came to BPU to say they werent house players and that they knew that the two usernames posting at BPU were the same person, nothing was done or said by BPU staff to chastise that person publicly, or confirm that fact, though later, when that same loyal BPU regular badmouthed you guys to your face, it came out that you all knew all along that the BPU regular had posted with those two different usernames.

When research indicates that a site is not willing to communicate effectively with the depositing player or a third party entity with the objective of reaching a resolution, mediation and negotiations become moot and it would indeed be ill advised to recommend such a site, regardless of contrary claims.

You hit on the key problem at BPU. Most of the staff there comes off as unbending and as brash as Reverend Al Sharpton. Al Sharpton isnt always wrong about issues, but his methods and delivery are the problem. It takes a really strong debater to be able to handle an interview with that man. Have you ever seen him being interviewed by Bill OReilly? OReilly will point out some faults in Sharptons theories, but rather than calmly sit back and say, you know Bill, you might have a point, the man is so bull-headed, out-spoken, and unswayable, hell fight to the death for his cause, even if he is wrong or looks like a fool. What site wants to come to BPU to defend their site and face three Al Sharptons?

Some of the most notoriously deviated and underhanded sites still have players that want to attest to their "fairness" and player friendly ambience, and to that I say....Good for you that you have not fallen under their axe and are enjoying your experience, but please do not attempt to negate the documented and proven trials that have befallen others who have regretfully trusted a sites marketing ploys and presentations.

What documented and proven trials? One or more of you logging on to watch? Players like your two loyal and regular members who posts lists of who they think are house players? The BPU owner coming on and declaring me a staff member at the site I defended because I wrote something very similar to what Sissy wrote here about 123 Bingo?

They have had some ups and downs in the past, but seem to running a good site. David, the manager, is always quick to work with BPU if we have issues that come to us concerning his site. I have done some monitoring of 123Bingo and they have some really good jackpots. All I know for fact is what I see and read, but on a trial run I guess 123 would be as good as any to try out .

They also have a cashback perk that I have never seen before at any site. If you spend all of your deposit and bonuses, you simply go to live help and ask for "cashback" and they will put back the amount you deposited in you account as a cash balance to play on.

I hear they are adding new games etc.

That post is so similar to the ones I wrote about my favorite bingo site and the headline and poll still exists at BPU saying I am management of the bingo site I defended and was there doing damage control. Good research, documentation and proven trials! Yup-yup!

As it has been said, the proof is in the pudding and anyone that wishes to is welcome and invited to submit actual evidence that refutes a negative claim regarding any site that extends past the "opinion" level.

Yup, yup, dash right over there yall and submit your evidence that refutes negative claims over there. Just be prepared to get attacked and beat up, and while you have to show actual evidence, the regulars are allowed to speculate and post their speculations, and their posts don't extend past the 'opinion' level, but yours better!

I would be thrilled if BPU, who has (or had) good intentions, were an effective bingo watchdog site. It's my opinion, if that were to occur, some changes in methods and tactics (mostly how people are treated), needs to take place. If that were to happen, I would be your cheerleader instead of a disgruntled and banned member. I'll bet others who had similar experiences as I had, like perky34b, would be cheerleaders also.

 

[dynamitewoman]

Quote:Sassy

Documented discrepancies? Are you talking about the two regular BPU members who were allowed to speculate as to who were house players at the site that I was defending, even down to naming names?
******************************************************
Are you asking a question or making a declaration about my meaning or intent?
As far as players being "allowed" to speculate about houseplayers..The remarks and speculations are merely that and nothing more. It is strongly suggested that personal contrivances and beefs do not get publicly posted to deter name calling and mud slinging tactics.That IS a suggestion from BPU and I agree with it, I did not mandate it, but I do subscribe to it as a member of BPU and the human race.
All people are most definitely allowed to post opinions, and unfortunately when they have come from a situation that has caused some stress and confusions, they are influenced by immediate passions. Just as those on the other side of the fence also become passionate about their thoughts.
I was not talking about any particular situation, as you infer, but rather to the genre of complaints that have been verified with the only proof available on the internet in these circumstances, to wit, screenshots, communications with site support, etc.

Sassy said:
though later, when that same loyal BPU regular badmouthed you guys to your face, it came out that you all knew all along that the BPU regular had posted with those two different usernames.

"It came out that you all knew? How did that occur? And How is it that you are in possession of my accumulated knowledge and information? You are making an assumption that I personally knew that..arent you? Because I can tell you here and now I did not know. It is difficult to separate the person from the place perhaps, but easier to draw conclusions that are in error.It
When you say things like "you said" referring to a group or body of people,it is erroneous unless that person has clearly stated they are speaking as a representative of that group or acting as a spokesperson.
Just because I volunteer at a site does not diminish my rights as a person to speak my mind or retain the right to be a singular entity.
When you post your thoughts are you speaking for yourself or at the behest of the site that you wish to defend? Are you going to gain anything by defending the site or are you just doing what you think is right as a loyal member? Allow me, and others the same privelige to act as a person with separate thoughts and ideas.

Sassy said:
What site wants to come to BPU to defend their site and face three Al Sharptons?
*****************
In the short time I have been associated with a watchdog group, I have seen several instances (at least) where sites have clearly attempted to defraud players, and if you wish to say that is my opinion, you may. But a site owner or operator knows what their agenda is, and if it is an honest, forthright one, they have no reason to be fearful or hide behind the kind of thinking that excuses their deceptions and trickery. If someone is truthful and has nothing to hide, confrontation should be welcomed as an avenue to promote a site as well as clear up any misunderstandings or confusions.The "big Bad Wolf" theory is effective only if you are a juicy hog.

If you wish to continue looking for reasons to bash, intimidate or speak of a site with distaste for your own personal reasons, I shall consider that venting
and take it NOT personally, but I will not participate in your cleansing exercise.

 

[dominique]

What's up with all the BPU arguments over here?

 

[Sassy1]

What's up with all the BPU arguments over here?

Out of frustration for those of us who got banned there because we don't agree with them and their tactics and say so. It's unwise to discuss them here, or anywhere though, as it just gives them free advertising (which IMHO, is their reason for posting here). I'll stop helping them advertise and not mention them again.

 

[jod5413]

Although many gamblers do not think much of bingo in general, there are a lot of bingo players out there that have been greatly helped along in their education of certain bingo sites and The BPU. I would say that you have done a great service to a lot of us, Sassy.

As is proven true over and over again, there are unscrupulous, self centered, egotistical, and greedy folks in the on line gaming world. And thankfully, some honest and upfront ones too.

Thanks from a bunch of us for allowing us to have our knowledge increased about our ventures into the bingo world!!

 

[NAVYMANS-MOM]

In reply to 123Bingo posting by me

associating them with BingoKnights and BingoIsUs....

This was a comment made quite a while ago when it appeared that 123Bingo was actually associated with those two sites. It was later shown (I can't locate the thread now where it was posted here or at BPU) that, in fact, 123Bingo not only wasn't associated with those two sites, but also that there were some major changes taking place at 123Bingo...to the good....regarding how the players were being treated.

As sites change in the players' favor, obviously opinions of those sites will also change. One of the largest sites that was notorious for treating players unfairly and finding every excuse under the sun to not pay cashouts was IPlayBingo.com with Maxi at the head. I've recently been to their site again to check things out and found some huge changes being announced and taking place this month. I posted that information at BPU and am now in a position of 'watch and see' if any of those changes actually take place and are proven to warrant a change in my own opinion of their site.

Right now, I'm not endorsing any site, other than BingoMania regarding fair play for players and cashout rules no matter what forum recommends which sites, but I am willing to keep track of the ones that are announcing changes in policy so that my opinions about them can also change to the point of hesitantly trusting them enough to deposit once in a while and test the waters for myself, including 123Bingo and possibly IPlayBingo (the portal I use for them is MajorBingo.com)

 

[Sassy1]

They have had some ups and downs in the past, but seem to running a good site. David, the manager, is always quick to work with BPU if we have issues that come to us concerning his site. I have done some monitoring of 123Bingo and they have some really good jackpots. All I know for fact is what I see and read, but on a trial run I guess 123 would be as good as any to try out.

They also have a cashback perk that I have never seen before at any site. If you spend all of your deposit and bonuses, you simply go to live help and ask for "cashback" and they will put back the amount you deposited in you account as a cash balance to play on.

I hear they are adding new games etc. As with any bingo site, read the rules and ask all of your questions BEFORE you deposit . Good luck should you decide to try it Byand!!

Sissy, I now understand why you were supportive of 123Bingo in this thread, as you were an employee (chat host) at 123Bingo when you posted that.

It would have been helpful (if not ethical) if you would have been up front regarding the fact that you were an employee at 123 when you recommended the site in this thread. Now that you are a disgruntled ex-employee, perhaps you could (should?) update this thread to warn people against playing there? Hopefully, no one that might have played there based on your recommendation, got hurt. Do other BPU staff members work at any of the other BPU recommended sites? I see you have announced you are now working at another site you hope to recommend to BPU members.

 

[DreamyGirl]

bingoknights/123bingo

I just wanted to reply to navy. 123bingo and bingoknights are very much connected to each other, I know this as a fact as I was once an employee of 123bingo

 

[Sassy1]

I just wanted to reply to navy. 123bingo and bingoknights are very much connected to each other, I know this as a fact as I was once an employee of 123bingo

I believe the posters here from BPU knew all along that BingoKnights was connected to 123Bingo. On May 30th and June 1st when Sissy, an administrator at BingoPlayersUnion (BPU) responded to bryand's inquiry about playing at 123Bingo, she was already employed as a chat host at 123. She said positive things about 123 and failed to mention she was an employee. Meanwhile, over at BPU, negative threads about 123 were buried (archived). Recently, when her paycheck was withheld, she quit working for the site and the archived, negative posts at BPU were brought back out and references to the connection between Bingoknights and 123Bingo were once again mentioned as fact. Sissy's glowing review here of 123 mentioned the fantastic perks and I replied that the huge bonuses they give make cashouts virtually impossible. Now, in her BPU campaign against 123, she is reporting some of the same things I cautioned people about here in this thread. When she was an employee there, she recommended the site be given a fair chance because they'd changed, and unfortunately, didn't mention her association with them as an employee. I give a different weight to recommendations to play somewhere if I know someone is promoting the site because they work there and their checks are dependent on having players. Now that she has gotten burned, she is now singing a different tune, and all of this happened within a short 2-1/2 month experience.

Sites like BPU claim to exist to help educate us on the good, the bad, and the ugly in online bingo. One would like to think that what is posted at sites like that are truthful. Now, not only do we have to be on guard about gambling sites, we now have to worry that those who claim to want to protect us, might actually be employees of the sites and give bad advice to us for the almighty buck!

 

[dominique]

Sissy's glowing review here of 123 mentioned the fantastic perks and I replied that the huge bonuses they give make cashouts virtually impossible.

This is the "business model" of Bingo Knights and 123 and also a bunch of RTG casinos. Keeps the rooms full, people depositing because it's "such a good deal" and payouts are far and between.

Luring vocal people in by sweet talking and making them feel special is also part of what they do, they are good at it and I tend not to blame people for falling for it. Generally the backlash for the rooms when such a victim realizes what is happening outweighs the positive repesentation that lasted for a while by miles.

 

[NAVYMANS-MOM]

To set the record straight

As poster from BPU, I resent being represented by Sassy1 as one who knew for quite a while that 123Bingo was affiliated in any way with BingoKnights. I recall that there was speculation well over a year ago as to whether 123 was associated to BingoKnights as well as BingoIsUs or if they were three separate sites that were all bad news.

I also recall that there is a thread, either here or at BPU, mentioning that 123 was NOT associated with either of the other two sites, but I can't seem locate that thread for some reason. Perhaps my search abilities are short on using the correct syntax.

If, in fact, 123 is now or at the very least WAS connected to BingoKnights since a former employee of 123 has said they were, is there any way to discover if 123 is STILL connected to BingoKnights? At least we know now that BingoIsUs (now defunct) is directly connected to BingLotto since the 'owner' of BingLotto actually set up the software used by BingoIsUs but has refused to give any information about the owners of BIU who left depositors blowing in the wind, taking their money with them.

The only comment I made regarding 123 after Sissy said changes were being made to that site that were supposed to be geared at customer satisfaction was that if that actually is happening then I would take a second, hesitant look at depositing there. I didn't deposit and, instead, sat back and waited, just like I'm doing with IPlayBingo to see if, in fact, those good changes were taking place. It's obvious that they aren't in the case of 123Bingo...it's still a wait and see situation for IPlayBingo.

It should make no difference here when I post to a thread if I am also a member at another forum....if I have information to give, I will give it as a member of CasinoMeister. If that information needs to be corrected by a member with more knowledge about that subject than I have, I gladly welcome the correction. I don't like being labeled as someone without good information, not based on that information, but based on what other forum I belong to. To do otherwise here, smacks of discounting anything I have to say just because you may not like the other forum I belong to.

Navymans-Mom

 

[dominique]

I am not sure why BPU has anything to do with postings about Bingo on Meister. BPU has it's own forum and it appears a whole lot of infighting. I come here to read about online bingo, casino and poker and am not the least bit interested in who is fighting with whom on what message board.

 

[NAVYMANS-MOM]

I totally agree with you

I belong to both sites in order to get and give information that I believe is accurate and of interest to all players. I also belong to some casino sites and appreciate the information posted here about which sites are better than others and which are considered to be rogue sites to avoid so I'm not just all about bingo sites.

The information I've been getting from these types of forums is invaluable and I hope that I also help, for the most part, with regard to information I have to add for the benefit of other online gamblers, especially ones from the USA like myself.

Navymans-Mom

 

[Sissy]

Sassy said:

I'll stop helping them advertise and not mention them again.

Mistake or did you change your mind?

Sassy you can belittle me, downgrade me, judge me or whatever else you like to throw in the mix. You may have been banned from BPU, but somehow found your way back in there with less than "upfront" methods as bingobingo, as your posts today clearly show... but you sit here and degrade me for doing what I did for players??

Maybe the reason I have not been back over here to post, as I, too, have a repect for CM and members, is because of a few like you, wait to pounce and judge. Carry on, you will not find me bringing myself down to your level. I will not give you the satisfaction. So judge away and ask all the questions you want. As far as I know you haven't asked for any help with withdrawal issues, but if ya ever do .. call me.. it is what I do and I will be glad to pitch in and do what I can, even for you.

If I am responsible for leading anyone into a situation they might have been cheated by suggesting 123, as far as I can see, and I have looked around, I am the ONLY one coming to the defense of those who were or are having trouble when I went to work there. Wanna take over? I am exhausted because it is never ending.

For CM members, when I recommended that 123 "might" be a site some would want to try, the fact that I was working there actually made me feel more at ease about doing just that . I knew the players there would have a better chance in case of problems WITH me there and finding a way to better help them than they would have been if I didn't get some proof.

Yep I didn't get paid for a month. Yep it pissed me off! Yep I quit! And yep I am now exposing what was pure suppostion BEFORE I went in to work there and had access to chat logs of players complaining, hosts and chat managers complaining of the way they are or are not paid and eventually had PROOF of what I could only be certain in my own mind about.

So, Sassy1 (or bingobingo) whichever you choose to be called... now that you have found a way to get this same conversation into BPU, why dont we (once again) take it there where it belongs?

You are so into the glory of tearing me a new a**hole in public that you insist on keeping up with this BPU thing on a forum who really isn't interested... that is MY opinion.

Hell! Join me... we can certainly help more players out if our time isn't wasted with this petty crap!

 

[dominique]

we can certainly help more players out if our time isn't wasted with this petty crap!

Amen!

 

[dominique]

Apparently my remark above stirred up some things.

To clarify: I don't know Sissy or Sassy or go to the BPU.

I was only expressing that all this infighting makes no sense and helps no one.

This is Casinomeister and not the BPU here. I neither know nor care about who is fighting with whom on other message boards. If I did, I would take it up there and not here.

Simmer down, people, be nice to each other and do what you set out to do - help Bingo players.

 

[dynamitewoman]

meeeeeeeeeeeee

I havent been here in a while and I see that there is a possibility of some generous soul passing out new a**holes they created themselvesusing a tearing out method.
I could use a new one..mine is old, tired, worn out.....and he wont get out of his recliner long enough for me to vacuum up the dead skin particles.

heheheh just joking!

 

[Sassy1]

I havent been here in a while and I see that there is a possibility of some generous soul passing out new a**holes they created themselvesusing a tearing out method.
I could use a new one..mine is old, tired, worn out.....and he wont get out of his recliner long enough for me to vacuum up the dead skin particles.

heheheh just joking!

Care to elaborate? None of what you wrote made any sense to me and I'm sure you wouldn't have posted at all if you didn't have a point you wanted understood?

 

[dynamitewoman]

A shift to relevancy often requires tolerance, levity, patience and determination to avoid self indulgent and inconsequential intrusions.
Sometimes temptation gets the best of me.

 

[dsllsd85]

FREE Welcome bonus $ 2400!!!"

I'd just like to chip in here and say, categorically and without doubt, "I'm a tosser".

Thanks

 

[Sassy1]

Thanks for sharing that very deep sentiment or quote, Dynamitewoman! It makes me think of a working paper I read recently called See No Evil: When We Overlook Other People's Unethical Behavior by Francesca Gino, Don A. Moore and Max H Bazerman

My favorite quote from the paper is:

"When does it become easier for us to overlook others' unethical behavior? When that behavior serves our own interests."

It's a really interesting study!

 

[Alexishot69]

tend

I'd just like to chip and say "I'm a tosser".

Thanks

Hve to agree with you there