question about BPU

perky34b

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Hi there casinomeister my friend! Been awhile.

I have a quick question for you regarding Bingo Players Union.

Do you endorse them? They are claiming you do, but I have not seen anything on your site that says this.

In my opinion they are a garbage board, and I find it very hard to believe that you would endorse this. I have always found your site to be factual and informative.

BPU on the other hand is a regular slamfest. Anybody who posts something positive or factual about a site they are currently slamming gets degraded, called names, and even banned from their site. I have seen this many times.

It seems their main purpose is solely to trash sites, and they do not want their members to see any facts that might make their trashing seem ridiculous.

They tell you to beware of any site asking for proper identification as they are trying to scam you out of your money. I know you do not agree with this, as you say to send in the identification before you deposit. This is just one example of many.

Please please tell me you do not endorse them, so I can keep the faith.

Thanks a bunch and good to see you all!

Perky :notworthy:D
 

NAVYMANS-MOM

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In most instances

I have found that the name calling basically gets started by some people who love a site toward passionate members who have been ripped off by sites and who are trying to warn others about what happened. The name calling usually starts with very carefully crafted wording which comes down to insulting the person who got ripped off by accusing them of cheating the site to begin with. When that type of situation starts, it escalates with the other person trying to defend themselves.

BPU assumes nothing and investigates all claims by members by asking for proof from members, such as emails, chat records, etc. and then asks for proof from the site itself that the claim by the members is wrong. If a site doesn't bother to respond, as is the case many times, then BPU doggedly tracks and continues to contact the site to get to the bottom of it before stating anything publicly that the member has a legitimate claim, even if that claim is nothing more than the site refusing to communicate with them to get a problem resolved.

BPU has also found in favor of sites that have communicated with BPU and proved that the claim was invalid and/or false or have worked with BPU and the member to get a problem resolved.

They only call a site 'rogue' when all communication between the site, BPU, and/or the member has failed and the site has ignored the problem completely. It stands to reason that if a site closes somebody's account with no warning, confiscated all monies those members had in their accounts, and refuses to communicate to even explain why the account was disabled to begin with, the site deserves the 'rogue' status and a warning to people across the net to steer clear because if it happens even just ONCE to somebody, it makes no difference if the rest of the site members haven't experienced problems with the site. It means if it can happen to ONE, it can happen to ALL at some point in time and by warning potential depositors to stay away from the site, the site either gets a rude wake-up call and changes the way things are handled at their site, or they are perfectly happy taking money from unsuspecting souls and going on their merry way to their bank.

There are some people that would argue with a rock about whether it should sit in the sun or in the shade. Human nature being what it is, people who love a site because they've been treated 'fairly' always suspect that the member who HASN'T been treated fairly and with respect must have cheated the site in some way. To be publicly accused of lying or cheating by a complete stranger doesn't go down well, however, there have been times, even as recently as last week at BPU, where a claim was proven to be false and BPU let everyone know publicly that the site hadn't done anything wrong. You can't ask for better than fairness for ALL, and that's what BPU goes out of their way, without pay, to bring about.

Banned members from BPU are a very uncommon occurance, but when it happens it is because those members were quick to condemn, accuse, and disrupt rather than contribute. It's a privately owned site and, just like online bingo sites, the rules are theirs to uphold. Fortunately, BPU doesn't change their rules on a whim like many bingo sites do. There is never a 'gotcha' with BPU.......except when they find during their investigation that you have lied to them about the 'facts' of your claim. Then BPU will expose you so be prepared for that.
 

lojo

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May I suggest that if you had a legit question you would have emailed or PM'd the Host?
Otherwise it smells like troll doodoo

If you have a statement to make about BPU, then by all means state the facts :)
 

perky34b

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my question was for casino meister, thanks and it was do you endorse bpu? They are claiming that you do and I find it extremely hard to believe.

And you can all see how they have proven my point, while they all rushed over here to call my opinion troll doodoo, and to put me down for asking the casino meister a legitimate question. I would like to know and I would think everyone would like to know what Casino Meister thinks of it.

Thanks
 

lojo

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my question was for casino meister thanks and it was do you endorse bpu? They are claiming that you do and I find it hard to believe.

There is a forum for questions to him, there is also the Private message function. I'd suggest you use those options.
 

Casinomeister

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my question was for casino meister, thanks and it was do you endorse bpu? They are claiming that you do and I find it extremely hard to believe.

And you can all see how they have proven my point, while they all rushed over here to call my opinion troll doodoo, and to put me down for asking the casino meister a legitimate question. I would like to know and I would think everyone would like to know what Casino Meister thinks of it.

Thanks
I don't "endorse" them. I really don't "endorse" any portals. I do have portal links at the bottom of my pages, but these are webmasters that I know personally and we exchange links. That's about it.
 

dominique

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I am happy to say that, while I do not make a point of endorsing sites, Casinomeister is the only player message board I would happily endorse.

Casinomeister is run in a professional manner, does not allow flames and attacks on individuals, and has solved countless issues in a professional manner.

Good going Bryan, you are definitely the end all in problem resolution. :thumbsup:
 

winbig

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I am happy to say that, while I do not make a point of endorsing sites, Casinomeister is the only player message board I would happily endorse.

Casinomeister is run in a professional manner, does not allow flames and attacks on individuals, and has solved countless issues in a professional manner.

Good going Bryan, you are definitely the end all in problem resolution. :thumbsup:

damn shills....:lolup:
 

dominique

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Busted! :)


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Sissy

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I would like to add, in BPU defense, that we struggle against many more odds as we don't have the power that CasinoMeister does. But we did manage to earn our GPWA Seal and are proud of it. A step in the right direction for sure.
Many don't agree with the way we do things, but fairness is utmost on our minds, whether it be the site or the player with an issue.

I believe I have conducted myself in an adult manner here at CasinoMeisters with the exception of one time when I lost my temper. I apologized and gave my word that it won't happen again. And it won't.

Opinions differ, tempers flare and things are said in a way they never should have been. Perky you know why you were banned. I do believe there is a place for this conversation and it most certainly isn't here. I have an email address and a pm box here, if you would like to discuss it. I would be most happy to speak with you anytime.
 

dominique

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I don't know why people often act in a way online that they would never do in real life.

Maybe it's because the other people seem to be cartoon characters rather than real people with feelings and opinions.

Some threads develop into battle fields. Sometimes there are just simply attacks on people with no foundation except that a scape goat is needed to take the brunt of everyone's personal frustration.

I have no idea what happened with/to Perky, and I don't really care to know or get involved, I am not talking about any incident in specific, just about the nature of message boards.

Admin/moderators are there to look out for each individual poster and make sure that there are no negative repercussions for stating opinions. IMO message boards are there so people can learn new facts and discuss them. For a discussion you need opinions. If everyone agrees, it's not a discussion but an exercise in Yay-saying.

So I see disagreements as a positive that can bring new facts and ways of seeing things to light. A good message board admin is able to allow free expression while still protecting each poster from attacks.

I like Meister because that is the case here. And sometimes it's not an easy feat to say the least.
 

BingoT

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Dom it's so true on how people have to act online.

This is all about the Internet don't ya know.
People that sit behind a keyboard that have Many things they can type about a person and they will give you :notworthy:thumbsup::eek2::eek::rolleyes::lolup: after that they stab ya in the back.But when you call them out to meet ya in person lol I don't want to say what I will call them because I may get banned from here lol.
The keyboard is allot of peoples friends.You can say anything you like and hide.and nothing to worry about you will never see them up front.
This is one of my pet peeves I have.I would love to meet many that talk trash about anyone.But they all bow down and make an excuse to not meet ya in person.
They will call ya every name in the book but do you think they would do this in front of your face NO
This is why we have to protect our kids also because you have many that sit behind a keyboard and think they are God or something better.
I don't care where you go online you will find White Trash,Black Trash,Trailer Trash,And plain old Trash online.
You will always find funny people online.



the bottom line is we should all try to get along with each other
 

perky34b

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Thanks Sissy but no thanks, You couldn't drag me back to your forum. I was banned for speaking what I viewed as the truth, and I do not think I was alone in that view. I was called names, put down and degraded for speaking my opinion,(by you and your staff as well) along with some legal facts that you would like to deny.

And I am glad to see that casinomeister does not endorse you as you claim. I have always found his board to be fair, and value all opinions. Nobody here is called troll doodoo.

I have my own forum, and have visited and have friends at many gambling forums. And I have never ever seen treatment of people on them like I have seen at yours.

Casino Meister YOU ROCK!!!
 
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dynamitewoman

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Peace is optional for some..mandatory for others.
BPU is an area for players and sites to vent, praise, opine and generally speak what is on your mind. If you are not prepared for a difference of opinion to expressed, then I suggest you carefully guard your ideas and opinions in the safe harbor of your own mind.
Lets face it, there are many, many gaming portals that have NO idea about a sites policy, ethics, history or player accomodations, yet they proudly display their banners for folks to click on, visit, and hopefully deposit. All this has one main objective... to promote an unknown entity ( in most instances) for the purpose of creating revenue.
When a member or guest of BPU posts about an issue they are having with a site, it is usually after they have tried to communicate with a site to resolve the problem. With their irritations, frustrations and anger tucked in their bingo bag, they post...and that is as allowable and welcome as anyones "opinions" that may be totally contrary. Perhaps if others have had an issue with the same site or network, they may feel compelled or warrranted in posting their experiences at that time. Much research and investigation is accomplished before any decisions or determinations are made regarding a claim, and ALL site owners or managers are invited to respond publicly or privately. This rarely happens.
It is absolutely super when a player has no problems that cant be managed with a little arbitration and discussion with the site itself, but when that proves to be ineffective, it is in very poor taste and without empathy for any player to negate a bad experience or mistreatment of another simply because they have personally not had the same experience.When a player says" you must be in the wrong because that has not happened to me",
I can not think of a more introspect, selfish and thoughtless statement that can be offered. This, unfortunately, leads to personality clashes and irrelevancy . If you are a true beleiver that "luck" plays a huge role in the entertainment called gambling, then you must be willing to beleive that some players have been bestowed with that same luck to not have been cheated or deceived by a site that has clearly misled and cheated others.
I am suggesting that we all try to be a little kinder and tolerant in the pursuit of this thing we call entertainment, because that is supposed to be fun...isnt it?
 

dynamitewoman

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I must question this.

Perky34b said:
I was called names, put down and degraded for speaking my opinion,(by you and your staff as well) along with some legal facts that you would like to deny.


You were called names and degraded by the staff? Frankly perky34b, I dont remember you unless you were using a different alias. Lets get beyond the status of allegations and claims and make it real clear that I did call you a "name" and degrade you. If you find this to be a fact that you can verify with an actual documented post that I have degraded or called you a name that was offensive, I invite you to post it. I find that an accusation that "attacks" and provokes unecessary conflict and is also totally without any basis in fact or merit, but merely your perspective and opinion. It is just this kind of inciteful talk that leads to the situations that you seem to be so against!

Legal facts? I imagine you presented a documented legal precedent or cited the actual code of the law that supported your presentation of a "legal fact"? It would be folly to state legalities and government mandate without some form of proof to absolutely affirm your statements...wouldnt it?

Perky34b said:
nobody here is called troll doodoo.


I thought I read that here! Do you find that name offensive too? Is someone again degrading you? Insinuations, allusions and references that are ungrounded and presented as the truth lead to conflict, frustration, anger, confusion,disruption and hostility.
Please dont bring me into any of your tirades in a negative and unfounded manner, I find that offensive and very unjust.
Thank You
 

perky34b

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yep I do find being called troll doodoo offensive, as well as in poor nasty taste. Which seems to be your style. Thanks for coming yet again to prove my point.
 

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123

At the risk of derailing an otherwise nutritious thread :cool:, does anyone have info, good or bad, concerning 123Bingo? They are sending me emails. I'm thinking of taking the "Bingo Plunge" and want to use a SUB for the learning experience.
 

perky34b

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By the way Dynamite, I do work for a land casino, (not as a street mime or deli owner as one of your mods, maybe even you stated, though these are probably fine professions as well) and am pretty aware of laws about gaming. It is also pretty obvious by your attitude and statements that you are not aware of any. I did email GPWA some links to your comments so they can see what kind of rubbish they are endorsing.


Hi Bryand, I have played at 123 and I liked it. I didn't win anything big or cashout there, but played a couple times and had a decent experience. Got a lot of play for my money. I like the parlay software alot.
 
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Sissy

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At the risk of derailing an otherwise nutritious thread :cool:, does anyone have info, good or bad, concerning 123Bingo? They are sending me emails. I'm thinking of taking the "Bingo Plunge" and want to use a SUB for the learning experience.


They have had some ups and downs in the past, but seem to running a good site. David, the manager, is always quick to work with BPU if we have issues that come to us concerning his site. I have done some monitoring of 123Bingo and they have some really good jackpots. All I know for fact is what I see and read, but on a trial run I guess 123 would be as good as any to try out:).

They also have a cashback perk that I have never seen before at any site. If you spend all of your deposit and bonuses, you simply go to live help and ask for "cashback" and they will put back the amount you deposited in you account as a cash balance to play on.

I hear they are adding new games etc. As with any bingo site, read the rules and ask all of your questions BEFORE you deposit :). Good luck should you decide to try it Byand!!
 

Sassy1

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Sissy, have things changed regarding 123 Bingo since NavyMom posted this?

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/players-accounts-closed-for-risk-management.20718/


Sites that disabled chat or accounts when complaints are filed against them either at their own site or publicly in another forum type site such as BPU, cashouts are requested and stalled with one excuse after another by the site, multiple accounts that are inadvertently opened at a sister site, or if they are members of sites such as BPU and publicly post in them, even if the posts are not complaints against the bingo site or if they are merely registered at those sites without posting anything. Just mentioning their name or just registering using the same username you use at the bingo site is enough.

AlphaBingo - being a member at BPU
BingoZest - now in the UK and sister to Alpha - being a member of BPU or accused of multiple accounts
BingoFest - sister site to Alpha and BingoZest
BingoSky - being a member at BPU
123Bingo - sister site to BingoIsUs and BingoKnights - being a member at BPU and complaining


The two most recent reviews of 123 at whichbingo.com don't sound too great, and I personally had problems in the past with 123Bingo. Before whichbingo.com revamped, there were dozens of bad reviews of 123bingo:

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That was not my post, nor my information Sassy. Maybe if you direct that question to NavyMom, she can answer it for you.
The two most recent reviews of 123 at whichbingo.com don't sound too great, and I personally had problems in the past with 123Bingo. Before whichbingo.com revamped, there were dozens of bad reviews of 123bingo:

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I followed your link and those two posts, one in January and one in February 2008 and no, neither was favorable. I believe both were posted anonymously which is neither here nor there. I do not have a clue about what happened with you or your problems at 123Bingo. We work only with documentation ( emails, trouble tickets, account information I have seen for myself and screenshoot etc) from players and sites. Ones word isn't enough, there has to be proof of allegations.

I do know that I have a working relationship with David, the manager of 123Bingo. If we get player complaints he is accomodating in every way to provide us with as much information as we require to come to a final determination.

It hasn't always been this way, so I would have to answer your question "have things changed at 123bingo" with a definite yes they have.
Through discussions and handling things in a businesslike manner issues can be resolved and relationships established to further open communications between sites and players.

Thanks for asking Sassy. It is nice to be able to report something good about a bingo site who has begun to care about their players and are intent on doing what they can to make those players happy. Maybe the day will come when we can speak highly of all of them :).

Have a great day!!
 

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Sissy, the reason I addressed my question to you instead of to NavyMom is because you are the one who came here to say you thought they were now a good site. Also, from all I've seen at BPU, NavyMom appears to be an active and well-respected member, so I thought it strange that if she were treated poorly there (banned for being a member of BPU and complaining about the site), that you would be cautious of recommending a site that would treat a valued member that way. Also, if they are a sister site to BingoIsUs and BingoKnights, as she stated, that your concern would be even greater.

As far as my experience with the site, there were a lot of problems that led myself, and a lot of roomies, to leaving the site.

All of the chat hosts and staff were from India. Many of them were kind and intelligent individuals, but there were some communication issues. While their English was pretty good, many things were misinterpreted. Most of the chat hosts were young men who spent most of their time hosting, flirting with women who, unfortunately, acted like dogs in heat. The chat hosts shared emails with anyone who wanted them, and would send pictures of themselves to these women who would come back on and spend even more time flirting with the cute, young men instead of paying attention to the needs of the roomies.

They were constantly taking long breaks for teas, prayers and meals. They'd announce they were going on a break for 15 minutes and come back 45 minutes later, including those in 'live chat' and those in accounting working on trouble tickets. One may be running low on funds and wishing for chat games to earn bonus bucks, but were out of luck for those long breaks. Or, one may have just made a deposit and since the bonuses weren't automatic, have to wait until a trouble ticket got answered to credit your account, after the long breaks.

There were chat games involving side games (slot machines). Unsavvy bingo only players would be encouraged to play those little chat game tournaments in which they were offered 25 bbs if they spun the most features to pop up in the slots. Since you could play pennies, it seemed like a smart decision to participate. I can't tell you how many of those individuals went to cash out a day or two later and found out that because they played slots, their play through requirements weren't met because there were now attached a 15 times play through. When the bonuses they got for their deposits (usually 300 - 400%) were factored in, there was a slim chance they could meet the cash out requirements by playing longer. While it is true they should have read the 'terms,' many didn't, for one reason or another. It's one thing if someone chooses to play slots on their own and didn't read the rules, and it's another to be encouraged by chat hosts to venture out of their comfort zone (bingo), to earn bbs by trying the slots. I felt it was entrapment.

Then there were other oddities like roomies becoming discouraged because they had made many deposits and not won any games, to announce their displeasure. Many roomies figured out that if they had been on a losing streak, if they announced in chat that they just made their last deposit and if they don't win a game or two, they are gone, the very next bingo game or two, that person would win.

The jackpots were virtually impossible to win because the numbers of balls one needed to jackpot, were set so one couldn't win a jackpot. Have you ever seen anyone win a blackout in 50 numbers? During my time there, I saw one jackpot won. That person's win and picture were on the website for at least a year. I think that was because that was the only jackpot won in a year.

Also, for a period after Neteller shut down, the staff of 123 disappeared off the face of the earth. They left the site up and people somehow managed to deposit (so there must have been at least one person there processing payments through), but trouble tickets went unanswered and chat hosts were no longer online and 'live chat' was disabled. I never received a single email from the site saying they were shutting down or going out of business or experiencing difficulties. If they weren't going to 'work the site,' they should have taken it off-line so people couldn't still log on and deposit. I played at numerous sites that went out-of-business due to Neteller. Every single one emailed members to inform them. Not 123!

I understand your pleasure and excitement that a manager of the site addresses concerns at your board, but I don't think that is a reason to support or recommend a site. There have been a couple of managers from Virtual Casinos who have addressed concerns at numerous sites and appeared available to assist disgruntled players, but I highly doubt that anyone at any of the boards they have been active at, would recommend to any of their members that they continue to play there or deposit there. I think that situation is similar to this situation. I would instead like to see that you are letting people know that there are some lines of communication open, but to proceed with caution; if only for the reason that one of your most active and respected members has had problems there.

I know I have personally talked to staff at one site that BPU was critiquing and asked why they didn't come to BPU to address BPU's concerns personally. They felt like it was a 'no win situation' that nothing they would say would change the minds of your members and staff, and they weren't going to subject themselves to the 'attack mode' of the staff and members of BPU. So, just because one or two sites come to your site to address concerns, doesn't make other sites bad because they don't send representatives, and doesn't make the bad sites good because they send representatives.
 

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WOW! Where do I begin.

Many of your statements contained "were". This, to me, means that during your time playing there you are stating your observations of what was happening at the time. I am always open to change and I see it happening at several sites. I like to think that is in response to their players and trying to retain a good player base.

I have been monitoring 123Bingo very often, for different periods of time and at different times of day, as I do any site public issues are raised about. I do not take my job lightly. I have and still do make mistakes and would be sub human if I didn't.

Many have found out and attempted to spread the word that 123 and BingoKnights are owned by the same company but managed by two different individuals. I have never ascertained that 123 was connected to BingoIsUs. There were allegations but no proof brought forward.

As a matter of fact, there is proof that Terry Barnes, CEO of BingLotto was instrumental in setting up BingoIsUs who has disappeared from Cyber space.

As far as I can tell at the present time, all of the chat hosts are female and speak EXCELLENT English. I do not know where they are from or any specifics, I can only tell you what I have seen.


Then there were other oddities like roomies becoming discouraged because they had made many deposits and not won any games, to announce their displeasure. Many roomies figured out that if they had been on a losing streak, if they announced in chat that they just made their last deposit and if they don't win a game or two, they are gone, the very next bingo game or two, that person would win.


Honestly Sassy, I am not saying that this is isn't odd to me. I see it the same as you do. Bottom line is, whether I think it is "set up" or not doesn't seem to matter because I have no proof. :( I have been on that badwagon for a LONG time. May I ask you this.... have you ever been to a site where you have NOT seen this very thing? That doesn't make one right and one wrong and it most certainly doesn't make me "accept " it. You and I both know what happens, but proving it is another thing. But I am not tired of trying yet, are you?

I won't restrict advice to players to "proceed with caution" at just one site... that is my advice to them for ANY site. I don't "promote" any sites Sassy. I am not an affiliate. I try to help players with my observations and knowlege I have obtained through many many hours of research.

There are changes happening, at a snails pace, but happening in many online bingo sites. With utmost respect, things that "were" may not be how things "are" now :). I am always open to see the good and the bad in any online bingo site. I do not believe one will EVER come up with rules I will approve of (for my own part only) or agree with, so I play rarely if at all any more.

As far as your talking to any site about their business with me, that is between you and them. I am not here representing anyone, although what I say does reflect on where I work. I am here as a common member just like you. Sites will respond or they won't. Their call, but I can tell you it is alot easier to believe that some good might happen at a site willing to communicate, than at one who won't. Just my opinion.

Regards...

 

Sassy1

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Many of your statements contained "were". This, to me, means that during your time playing there you are stating your observations of what was happening at the time. I am always open to change and I see it happening at several sites. I like to think that is in response to their players and trying to retain a good player base.

I would have to answer your question "have things changed at 123bingo" with a definite yes they have. Through discussions and handling things in a businesslike manner issues can be resolved and relationships established to further open communications between sites and players.


It's unfortunate that there doesn't seem to be consistency at BPU regarding your statements I quoted in this post. IF, in fact, BPU were open to change and believed that through businesslike manners issues can be resolved and relationships be established to further open communication between sites and players, there wouldn't be the bad memories and battle wounds that myself and perky34b experienced when we attempted to show BPU that some of the sites up for discussion there (in an extremely negative and seemingly unswayable way) were sites that we had good experiences at that we felt were getting a bad rap that maybe wasn't deserved. Had the same open-mindedness being shown to 123 Bingo been given to the sites we were attempting to show the other side of, there might not be any bad feelings today, on anyones' part. My views of BPU are that if BPU declares a site bad, anyone who logs on to debate that issue becomes a BPU enemy. Whereas, I'm telling you of my bad experiences at a site and it's all roses and sunshine because they came to BPU to answer player issues and are now a BPU 'friend', so its not fair to badmouth them.
 
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