QT????

[casinoboy2k]

Are u serious?

As of RIGHT NOW, there may be no other way to get paid from INETBET, but it seems highly likely to me that in the event that QT does go down (very possible), INETBET will then agree to pay via another viable method.

So, my (unwarranted) advice is just hold tight, leave the money in INETBET until the QT smoke clears. If QT starts paying again, then use that method, if QT clearly goes out of business, then contact INETBET and see what they recommend.

Just DON'T BE TEMPTED TO LOSE IT BACK. If you do, it's 100% your own fault.

If anyone wants to leave their money in INETBET and does not play it back, I'll buy the balance (assuming all wagering req's if any have been met) for 75c on the $.

With all due respect but,
By QT'S OWN ADMISSION, their assets have been SEIZED in the USA!
...I mean this is not a Sherlock Holmes quality mystery here. QT is down. And, also in their own word's, the time frame for the "smoke" to clear has been described as being "indefinite".

It just doesn't come more plain than this.

At this point, the player's eyes turn directly to the CASINO where they have made their DEPOSIT. In which case, like many other casinos (Lucky Slots, Jackpot Casino Group, Bodog, etc.) they immediately offer other viable options for their loyal and dedicated customers to get paid. E.g. Check, bankwire.

And, there are no long drawn out talks about patience on known data, smoke, or any other mythological creature that will distract the player from actually getting paid. Other casinos know that their players dont have the time for this. We are not monks, we gamble.

How hard is it for InetBet to pay it's people without QuickTender?

More importantly, why would they tie so much of their own money to this processor thus placing themselves in this predicament. I don't run a casino. But, I do understand enough business to know not to ever place all of my assets in one basket. And, to place other people's assets in one basket is well, unconscionable.

 

[SlotsLover]

I understand

I fully understand your frustration, but I believe if you just leave your money in INETBET, you will be paid eventually via some other method. Eventually INETBET will admit that QT cannot be used and will be forced to pay via a different method.

That's what I would do (doesn't make it right).

 

[secret2]

My post was about Inetbet and in particular their absurd t&c's. They differ from others and for example their "Friday Pay Check" trio deal ,which has been discussed here....make sure you wager the exact amount, not higher on each bonus coupon code, hence my banter on how exhausting it is JUST to make a deposit.

I am 100% agreeing with you about the way you have been treated. And, as I have stated before, I am not a fan of their CS, just because of the way I have been treated during an email exchange.But it is what it is and people expect this from them and so it's ok?

It should not be this complicated to withdraw because of the way one deposits. If one has sent in all docs, approved?....so what's the problem?

I have played there because it is accredited and fast withdrawel time, weekend included.

Now, I am wondering if RTG will take advantage in the next few days, weeks for USA players to lower the RTP, too?

I have sent an email to CW as to my own RTP.

 

[secret2]

email

Dear Jane,

Thank you for contacting the QuickTender Help Desk.

Please be informed that your request for the withdrawal fee has been registered and forwarded to the respective department, once your QuickTender account is credited, you will be emailed.

Our Management is currently sorting this issue out with respective Banks. Unfortunately, we are not able to provide you with a definite time frame of the resolution for this issue; however, our team is doing its best to resolve this within the shortest time period and in best possible manner.

Nevertheless, you may rest assured that your funds will not be lost and if we are not able to transfer the funds to your Bank account we will credit your QuickTender account accordingly.

Your patience and understanding on this matter will be highly appreciated.

Please note that the main trouble at the moment is that some of the withdrawals have been processed by our partner bank with a delay and some are going to be returned to us. I hope you understand that we cannot re credit your QuickTender account until we have a confirmation from the banks regarding the statuses of the wires sent. Unfortunately, it's a very time consuming process due to having to go through each of the transactions separately.

Please feel free to contact us should you require any further assistance.

 

[adam8877]

inetbet not accepying qt is finito

After numerous emails back and forth with inetbet...they STILL are standing by quicktender!..My cwc casinos have already removed Qt as option....what a cryin' shame...

 

[lel5467]

Just got this email. Apparently the press release is the new response to the issues.....

Thank you for contacting the QuickTender Help Desk.

The management of Quicktender would like to make the following statement regarding the current situation with UseMyWallet/Quicktender withdrawals:

We have operated a reputable and reliable payment mechanism for US customers since 2006. Our reputation is important to us, and until recently there has never been any question that players and merchants would be paid. In order to achieve this, we have built over many years relationships with payment intermediaries that share our values of honesty and integrity. In the jurisdictions from which we offer our services we are proud to be properly licensed and constituted, and have even worked with US law enforcement on occasions where criminal activity has been identified. etc., etc., etc................... Blah Blah Blah.

Just to vent.... I am in this situation due to a delay with a Bodog payout via check (check delay was apparently due to the Royal Wedding and subsequent GB holidays). Bodog then gave me the option to payout via umw, as they said it would be faster. DUMB DECISION!!!! DUMB DUMB DUMB.

 

[felicie]

If QT is still allowing deposits, how about finding another casino you trust that does do checks? and then lets shut the hell up for now.

 

[samoas]

Ironic

Just got this email. Apparently the press release is the new response to the issues.....


I have a google alert and Quicktender is the keyword. Set this up yesterday. 20 topics in the last 2 hours alone! Word has spread rapidly thanks to the internet. Know who posted it first? It wasn't Quicktender, it was Bryan@Casinomeister.

That alone has me disheartened that we ever see a dime. I know QT needs time to get everything in order. I have patience, mind you. That being said - they knew that this was the case & did not want to cause mass chaos. My concern is an un-informed internet gambler hasn't a clue and they continue to deposit into nameyourcasinohere, they may not stand a chance of getting a return (if they win) in the near future.

BTW- I still haven't gotten official word from QT. Anyone else?

Christine

 

[LisasLuck]

With all due respect but,
By QT'S OWN ADMISSION, their assets have been SEIZED in the USA!
...I mean this is not a Sherlock Holmes quality mystery here. QT is down. And, also in their own word's, the time frame for the "smoke" to clear has been described as being "indefinite".

It just doesn't come more plain than this.

At this point, the player's eyes turn directly to the CASINO where they have made their DEPOSIT. In which case, like many other casinos (Lucky Slots, Jackpot Casino Group, Bodog, etc.) they immediately offer other viable options for their loyal and dedicated customers to get paid. E.g. Check, bankwire.

And, there are no long drawn out talks about patience on known data, smoke, or any other mythological creature that will distract the player from actually getting paid. Other casinos know that their players dont have the time for this. We are not monks, we gamble.

How hard is it for InetBet to pay it's people without QuickTender?

More importantly, why would they tie so much of their own money to this processor thus placing themselves in this predicament. I don't run a casino. But, I do understand enough business to know not to ever place all of my assets in one basket. And, to place other people's assets in one basket is well, unconscionable.

Hmmm, I have played at Inetbet only for the past few years so I figured the way they did things was just standard procedure.

Obviously that is not the case and there are other casinos that will use other payout methods for US players.

I have had a withdrawal for $825 pending with mypaylinq since April 25th.

I finally asked Inetbet to look into it for me but they are getting nowhere either.

My next step was to contact Inetbet and ask them if they would be willing to do a bank wire for me if I deposited the money back into my casino account.

Then all this happened with QT and I would say that INETBET is probably swamped by players requesting the same thing.

But, I agree with you, they should provide an option for us and I hope they will.

Mypaylinq is being extremely vague as to the reasons for the delays, my gut feeling told me something like this might be up, still do not know for sure but I am betting this is all related, so anyway, if anyone was thinking of mypaylinq as an alternative, think again. At least for now.

 

[samoas]

If QT is still allowing deposits, how about finding another casino you trust that does do checks? and then lets shut the hell up for now.

I normally take to your point of view Felcie. I would have to have one helluva lot of trust in that establishment. We US players are down to a handful of reputable places to wager.

Not saying they don't exist, just would like to err conservatively on the side of caution.

I was in the minority believeing Villento would do right by its customers and they did! Took lots of demanding but they did it. If QT has the opportunity to do this too, I firmly believe they will. All depends on hard the DOJ hammer comes down.

My beef is they are still taking customers transactions and NOT making those cutomers aware of the ramifications in the event they win and attempt a payout! That's my argument.

And as I said before I haven't heard a word/update from QT since I inquired last. This forum has provided more info on the subject than the company experiencing it first hand.

No hard feelings, just morphing into a cynic these last few weeks with Villento & QT.

 

[iNetBet Promos]

Hi Everyone,

Just thought I would try to address a few points here. It was only today that we became officially aware that there have been issues with some recent QT withdrawals and the reason for these.
Having spoken with QT they informed us that due to this at present they were not processing any withdrawals to any clients – players and merchants alike - until they had further information. This is confirmed in their statement posted by Brian.

In a few cases some player had thus decided to deposit funds from QT to us and to then request a withdrawal via a different method. The players were informed that at this time that was not possible. As our website states withdrawals via an online wallet have to be sent back via the method used to deposit. This is not a new rule and something that has been in place for some time. We explained this and asked that the players bear with us until the QT situation had become clearer. They are after all still working on a resolution. We feel it only fair to give them the benefit of the doubt and a little time given their loyalty to this market and their unblemished record over a good number of years.

As we say it is not only players funds that are on hold but merchants too – at this time we thus can only process withdrawals on deposits made via QT back to QT. If we allowed all players to deposit funds from QT to us and then withdraw via another method we would simply be operating as a clearing house for QT. As we say the funds from deposits made to us via QT are not available. So we would be paying out funds we have no access to. In effect this we would be paying QT’s debt for them. This is obviously not something that we are willing to nor should we be expected to do.
Of course once merchant funds are released by QT we will be glad to offer alternatives should the need arise.

We are of course very sorry that the heavy handed actions of the US authorities again seem to be landing directly on you the players.

I hope that this clarifies things a little for people.

Best Regards
iNetBet Promos

 

[Rambeno]

If they do (iNetBet) let us cash out through bank wire, then they have changed the withdrawal amount for the bankwire in mid-stream. I actually went ahead and got a screenshot of withdrawals by bankwire, and the min. required w/d amount is $200. I don't understand why customer support is changing it to $500. That would be the only way I could cash out beyond a check, and they say they haven't issued checks to the US customers in 5-6 years.

I, too, have been a loyal customer...and they have always treated me fairly. Which is why I am having such a hard time understanding their reluctance to cash out through bankwire (even tho I deposited through QT). Its not like the money just will not transfer through bankwire....its an in-house rule and they made it, they can also make exceptions to it, especially while this mess with QT is playing out as it is.

So, no, its not the fault of iNetBet re: QT, but a good business works with its customers to make sure they come back again and again.

iNetBet, thanks for coming here to explain that if QT doesn't bode well for us, but pays y'all out, that we will be allowed withdraw through another method.

 

[SlotsLover]

QT not paying to merchants?

If QT's problem is that the approved wires are "frozen,", why would they not be paying to their merchants, all who are outside of the USA?

Can someone confirm this from QT?

There are still casinos taking QT right now, does this mean they will not get their money if players lose? Will players not get paid if they win? What will happen at INETBET if QT goes down for good and is no longer in business?

 

[Candee13]

Just got this email. Apparently the press release is the new response to the issues.....


I have a google alert and Quicktender is the keyword. Set this up yesterday. 20 topics in the last 2 hours alone! Word has spread rapidly thanks to the internet. Know who posted it first? It wasn't Quicktender, it was Bryan@Casinomeister.

That alone has me disheartened that we ever see a dime. I know QT needs time to get everything in order. I have patience, mind you. That being said - they knew that this was the case & did not want to cause mass chaos. My concern is an un-informed internet gambler hasn't a clue and they continue to deposit into nameyourcasinohere, they may not stand a chance of getting a return (if they win) in the near future.

BTW- I still haven't gotten official word from QT. Anyone else?

Christine

Actually, I have not got a single email from QT since my withdrawal confirmation on May 6th.

 

[lel5467]

Actually, I have not got a single email from QT since my withdrawal confirmation on May 6th.

I have only received communication from QT when initiated by me. I guarantee if you send them an email or complete the online/busy chat form, you will get one of these replies from them.

 

[Papa-ya]

I appreciate Inetbet coming here and addressing this issue, but another question arises from the answer.

My money that was deposited into QT was from winnings from Inetbet, I had originally won just over $1,300 and withdrew it to QT as that is the only option available.

Then I place a withdrawal of $450 from QT to my bank account, it is now, where, who knows?

Then QT contacts me and said they have returned my $912, my second withdrawal back to my QT account, as the withdrawal from QT was rejected and not completed to my bank. Not wanting to leave it in there for fear of loss, I redeposit/reverse the $912, I had originally won from Inetbet, back to Inetbet.

So are you saying, now I only have a number in my casino account and not cash, that I have no money at all unless QT resolves this situation?

Appolgies, I just want to be clear on this.

 

[casinoboy2k]

DEAR INETBET,

Your biggest flaw is putting too much stock in only one 'sure' method.

Yes QT had a reliable and proven track record and such, BUT your response in this thread literally underlined my previous statements. Now, all of your players/customers are just as "stuck" as other players whose monies are "stuck" in the QT abyss of lost funds. Because, no where in your statement have you provided a solution for your players that can work right now.

When I got the email from Emily Hanson, it became extremely clear to me that very moment that Inetbet and QT were in bed together. No problem, you sleep with who you want. Perhaps, your deal with QT allowed for you to make an extra cut. Again, your 'business'. But, the very best casinos as well as the very best businesses in the world pride themselves on the SERVICE of putting the customer first before satisfying their own interests.

As you can see Inetbet, when you put your own interests first, everybody loses. Literally.


And, this will be the very first time that I have to tell the... CASINO, "Good Luck".

 

[Candee13]

Questions...

Questions...

I would think a bunch of money was involved in this alleged "seizure". Wouldn't you think it would be in the news?

Do you think there was some kind of alert and/or planned DOJ operation once funds were released by Villento and other Microgaming casinos? Example: "Yeah release their funds via QT only... then we can seize it easier all at once through QT bank wires".

Can the US govn get our QT statements/prior transactions without our consent?

 

[casinoboy2k]

Ladies and gentlemen,

I present to you: EXHIBIT A

I appreciate Inetbet coming here and addressing this issue, but another question arises from the answer.

My money that was deposited into QT was from winnings from Inetbet, I had originally won just over $1,300 and withdrew it to QT as that is the only option available.

Then I place a withdrawal of $450 from QT to my bank account, it is now, where, who knows?

Then QT contacts me and said they have returned my $912, my second withdrawal back to my QT account, as the withdrawal from QT was rejected and not completed to my bank. Not wanting to leave it in there for fear of loss, I redeposit/reverse the $912, I had originally won from Inetbet, back to Inetbet.

So are you saying, now I only have a number in my casino account and not cash, that I have no money at all unless QT resolves this situation?

Appolgies, I just want to be clear on this.

 

[billy_g22]

I fully agree with what casino boy says in the previous post.

For example, club world group started having issues with their ACH transactions. Instead of just staying with quicktender as an option, they started offering check by courier again.

The complaints really shouldn't be surprising really. While it's not INET's fault quicktender is having issues, one of the worst things any online casino can do is make their players think the money in their accounts is worthless.

 

[3mptyseat]

Did EWX make Lou Dobbs?

Questions...

I would think a bunch of money was involved in this alleged "seizure". Wouldn't you think it would be in the news?

Do you think there was some kind of alert and/or planned DOJ operation once funds were released by Villento and other Microgaming casinos? Example: "Yeah release their funds via QT only... then we can seize it easier all at once through QT bank wires".

Can the US govn get our QT statements/prior transactions without our consent?

No, bc the Obama admin. bullies the media into providing a nutritious and regulated diet of hand selected info....

EWX never made any real media outlets...

The black Friday scenario was glossed over and highlighted at best...

The original 2009 DoJ seizure of Alliance Bank (AZ) funds (pokerstars processor) for $9 million is something most of u dont know a thing about...

Late in 2010 the DoJ siezed approx. $6 million in private poker funds held at Washington St. banks, and that news was not spread out throughout the 50 states like say, a Govenor's love child or a Short Form Birth Certificate, or even a bed bug scare in NYC...

We hear what we buy the shit out of, and what they want us to hear... and little else...

 

[footdr]

Questions...

I would think a bunch of money was involved in this alleged "seizure". Wouldn't you think it would be in the news?

Do you think there was some kind of alert and/or planned DOJ operation once funds were released by Villento and other Microgaming casinos? Example: "Yeah release their funds via QT only... then we can seize it easier all at once through QT bank wires".

Can the US govn get our QT statements/prior transactions without our consent?

The DOJ and FBI never have this information on their websites, so much for "transparency" If this law is to "protect us" as they claimed for one reason to pass UIGEA, it would seem they might want to keep us informed, but, they don't really care about us; they just want the money(wonder where the money seized goes?)

And, Yes, they can get all of our account information without our consent. #1 quicktender agreement says they will comply with requests from law enforcement and #2 QT has to comply with subpeona for their records that apply to U.S. citizens.

Wire transfers from QT are gone for U.S. permanently.Get you money out now, deposit it where you can.

 

[footdr]

What the heck

Hi Everyone,

Just thought I would try to address a few points here. It was only today that we became officially aware that there have been issues with some recent QT withdrawals and the reason for these.
Having spoken with QT they informed us that due to this at present they were not processing any withdrawals to any clients – players and merchants alike - until they had further information. This is confirmed in their statement posted by Brian.

In a few cases some player had thus decided to deposit funds from QT to us and to then request a withdrawal via a different method. The players were informed that at this time that was not possible. As our website states withdrawals via an online wallet have to be sent back via the method used to deposit. This is not a new rule and something that has been in place for some time. We explained this and asked that the players bear with us until the QT situation had become clearer. They are after all still working on a resolution. We feel it only fair to give them the benefit of the doubt and a little time given their loyalty to this market and their unblemished record over a good number of years.

As we say it is not only players funds that are on hold but merchants too – at this time we thus can only process withdrawals on deposits made via QT back to QT. If we allowed all players to deposit funds from QT to us and then withdraw via another method we would simply be operating as a clearing house for QT. As we say the funds from deposits made to us via QT are not available. So we would be paying out funds we have no access to. In effect this we would be paying QT’s debt for them. This is obviously not something that we are willing to nor should we be expected to do.
Of course once merchant funds are released by QT we will be glad to offer alternatives should the need arise.

We are of course very sorry that the heavy handed actions of the US authorities again seem to be landing directly on you the players.

I hope that this clarifies things a little for people.

Best Regards
iNetBet Promos

Apparently Merchants must have different contracts with QT on when they receive the money deposited by "customers". QT has always told me, over and over, that they operate in "real time" so when a merchant says they transfered money to my account it is in my QT account almost immediately, I assumed it would be the same process when we transfer money to a merchant, perhaps not, but why would quicktender allow us to transfer money they aren't actually holding in our accounts?(per say). So, I will ask Quicktender for proof they have paid the merchants I transfered my money to.

 

[JAMES50]

Club World no longer excepts qt..I have been playing all day useing it..I went to add more and it is no longer an option..Live told me it is no longer excepted...Now that sucks,,,,

 

[Papa-ya]

I would have to dissagree with the thought that Inetbet and QT are in bed together, the ones in bed are our good ol boys in high positions in this country that have taken way to many liberties in disrutping our lives at every turn.

We have watched this happen over the years with one wallet then another and sadly, QT is not out of the line of sight anymore than Ewallet, Firepay and so on.

It is just very unfortunate that players and businesses suffer from greed and control issues of people whom have forgotten their position as our leaders and lawmakers.

So although this situation makes us very upset, just remember, it's the a--holes we pay outrageous salaries to while we grovel for tiny morsels of life and freedom that are at the brunt of all this, not QT and Inetbet.

I just wanted to be clear that my money at this time is not tangible, no matter where it is and would certainly not want to play it if it isn't. Afterall, it would be the pits to owe the casino money..........

 

[SadFatMan]

Club World no longer excepts qt..I have been playing all day useing it..I went to add more and it is no longer an option..Live told me it is no longer excepted...Now that sucks,,,,

Try using pasteandpay.com to make your deposits in Club World casinos.

They are called "EZVoucher" on Club World's cashier.

I like pasteandpay because they dont charge a fee for depositing via credit card. Only downside is you can only deposit $250 at a time.

I think MyPayLinq should work for depositing too, but dont try to withdraw using them. Opt for wire or ACH or check.

 

[JAMES50]

Thank you Sadman..It just sucks I have $1500.00 in the wallet..Plus you would think cw would have emailed this info,,With the thousands of dollars I have spent there,,Anyway I am greatly dissappoint with them,,But Thank you for the info

 

[Webzcas]

I don't blame Club World for removing QuickTender in light of what is happening or not happening. But it makes sense to see how this transpires first of all.

I have just knocked up an article concerning Quicktender based on what has been posted here and over on the GPWA. Hopefully more news will come out in the next 24 hours or so.

Link Removed (invalid URL)

 

[footdr]

EH casino group removes QT

Just checked out EH casinos, Slots Galore, Silver Dollar, etc. no Quicktender.

Leads me to believe that QT has had money seized from their non-U.S. bank accounts, otherwise why wouldn't they be able to transfer money already in our accounts, held by them in non-u.s. bank; to the merchants?

Yet the statement CM posted from QT says it only involved U.S. Bank Accounts.

Whats up with that? I want some answers!

 

[casinoboy2k]

Just checked out EH casinos, Slots Galore, Silver Dollar, etc. no Quicktender.

Leads me to believe that QT has had money seized from their non-U.S. bank accounts, otherwise why wouldn't they be able to transfer money already in our accounts, held by them in non-u.s. bank; to the merchants?

Yet the statement CM posted from QT says it only involved U.S. Bank Accounts.

Whats up with that? I want some answers!

QT, is more than likely being investigated at this juncture.

 

[JAMES50]

still being used at inet and 3 dice

 

[rockycatt]

i dont think you can return from Inet but please corect me if im wrong . oh and the preas was in boston with his hand out for donations not from me

but he picked up a few mill there in another game

 

[3mptyseat]

Huh?

IGNORE

oh and the preas was in boston with his hand out for donations not from me

but he picked up a few mill there in another game

Extrapolate Rocky, I'm lost, might be others...

***lost, now found***

 

[LisasLuck]

The president was in Boston with his hand out for donations?

 

[jod5413]

I am really sorry for the people that have money "tied up" with QT. I do not think it is necessarily any one casino's or QT's "fault". Here in the states we all know we are going to have problems because of our gov's stance about on line gambling.

I think it is terribly unfair for comments like

When I got the email from Emily Hanson, it became extremely clear to me that very moment that Inetbet and QT were in bed together.

All of QT's customers are hurting, players are hurting, affiliates are hurting, the casino industry in the US is hurting over this latest disaster, and I do not think the situation can support any negative actions without making things worse.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[takethemoney]

Why can't casinos pay by money gram or western union for those of us in the USA? Does depositing using QT require the same method be used to withdraw? There's got to be better ways. Maybe casinos could just start sending out brown wrapped 100 dollar bills in packages.

 

[felicie]

I normally take to your point of view Felcie. I would have to have one helluva lot of trust in that establishment. We US players are down to a handful of reputable places to wager.

Not saying they don't exist, just would like to err conservatively on the side of caution.

I was in the minority believeing Villento would do right by its customers and they did! Took lots of demanding but they did it. If QT has the opportunity to do this too, I firmly believe they will. All depends on hard the DOJ hammer comes down.

My beef is they are still taking customers transactions and NOT making those cutomers aware of the ramifications in the event they win and attempt a payout! That's my argument.

And as I said before I haven't heard a word/update from QT since I inquired last. This forum has provided more info on the subject than the company experiencing it first hand.

No hard feelings, just morphing into a cynic these last few weeks with Villento & QT.

No problem lol and it wouldn't work anyway now with qt doing no withdraws at all. I overlooked that detail and it wasn't small.

 

[all4greed]

Interesting that this QT issue came to light much quicker than EWE's did. Different companies obviously, just seems this was more of a priority, perhaps because more people used QT?

Hopefully all players involved in these tangled messes will be paid...

 

[ksech]

Sorry, but the writing has been on the wall for months. I feel badly for those who have money tied up in QT, but it's the risk of continuing to gamble. When problems started with EWX, I would have thought players would be very leery of depositing/playing anywhere.

I had a small amount of money in my NeTeller account when they went down. Then it was Click2pay. Then EwalletXpress. It was just a matter of time before QT got "caught up" in this mess. I, like a few others gave up, didn't deem that my online hobby was worth the hassle. When QT started playing the catch me if you can game of trying to deposit, IMO, that should have been a HUGE warning sign that things were not going to be good. BUT, players continued to use the service and now are complaining this is QT's fault, casinos faults, etc. Who forced YOU to continue to use this service? No one, so take a little responsibility for your actions and be patient. I'm sure the casinos are going to work on a way to get each of you your funds.

The casinos are going to lose out on a huge scale, not only from lose of players, but from funds they are waiting for from QT. The future of online gambling is going to change drastically. The ripple effect from this isn't going to only hurt the US player, but players from around the world. See how many fold up camp and disappear. This will only encourage more global "hatred" towards the US for their unprescedented quest to rule everyone and everything on the face of the earth, JMO.

I know this post is rather harsh in content, but you have to at some point admit, YOU as a gambler took the risk of playing and must take the responsibility for YOUR actions. Don't blame the casinos, to blame them for this travesty is purely unjustified. Be leery of new ewallets that will pop up to "help" the US player. I truly believe there will be rogue ewallets who will try to take advantage of this situation. Have patience and TALK (nicely!) to the casino reps from the various casinos/groups and see what/how their casino is going to handle this.

I wish anyone who has money tied up in QT the best of luck with getting their funds!

 

[3mptyseat]

Villent(N)O

More to the point, its the 'risk' one takes when dealing with an unaccredited casino... A gamble most gamblers might avoid...

I know quite a few of us that were strung along for nearly a month with Villento... And by the time the money hit UMW, THEIR ONLY MEANS FOR W/D, I processed my wire with haste... But it was too late...

International Players, stay away from VLV, and Americans, remember the BS when they are serving this marketplace again...

And all of those of you who need to get ur bet in like u need breakfast; stick to the accredited casinos and you wont get burned without a podium to voice any mistreatment, and a forum to adjudicate the situation...

And those of you getting the filibuster from i.n.b. and any other accredited joint; keep up the posts, be reasonable, diligent, and polite, and read the rhetoric; something besides the grammar doesnt make sense in their last post

They won't be accredited for long if they keep running clients around like dressage horses...

 

[3mptyseat]

sorry to double post

Just checked out EH casinos, Slots Galore, Silver Dollar, etc. no Quicktender.

Leads me to believe that QT has had money seized from their non-U.S. bank accounts, otherwise why wouldn't they be able to transfer money already in our accounts, held by them in non-u.s. bank; to the merchants?

Yet the statement CM posted from QT says it only involved U.S. Bank Accounts.

Whats up with that? I want some answers!

Come the heck on fellers, ladies: Any casino saying that their funds are tied up in UMW are A)lying or B)Not keeping enough cash at hand or possibly C)Fibbing

The UMW ppl said they only noticed the problem when ppl started to say their wires were not hitting home...

OK, lets take a closer look...

UMW gets money from Deposits via CC to their International Processors: we will call this stash (X). (X) is unaffected by this situation... Once, (X) is in hand, its then shipped to a Merchant, for another fee presumably... And in fact, this sum is still thriving in its roll as 5% percent (+?) revenue generator and bank to pay client2merchant deposits with...

UMW receives payouts from a casino (also not in the gay ole USA) to the client accounts. Lets call these (Y) and lets note, these are unaffected funds as well...


And they send money from client accounts (Y) to client banks, and some of these funds are frozen, why not call them (F), and the remaining client account sum is then (Y-F)

As far as I can tell, the casino is not affected in this equation... Well, save for the simple truth that degens like me cant re-deposit recent cashouts right back into the system...

 

[daveboz]

I guess I'm going to find out shortly with QT as i will be requesting a withdrawal as soon as Club World processes my cash out. Not going to be too happy considering they have continued to process my deposits and collecting fees accordingly. Has to be a joke. The deposits come back to my account through major bank like UBN or Duetsch. If they are having issues they should not be processing deposits from US players.

 

[ksech]

Was thinking about this...
QT used to have an international bank option. How difficult would it be for US players to set up an account with a bank in a different country? Also, IF you are able to do this (which I'm sure can be done somehow) would this then be considered a form of money laundering by moving money out of QT to this foreign account and then to your own bank?

*hope this made some small iota of sense...*

 

[Mousey]

I guess I'm going to find out shortly with QT as i will be requesting a withdrawal as soon as Club World processes my cash out. Not going to be too happy considering they have continued to process my deposits and collecting fees accordingly. Has to be a joke. The deposits come back to my account through major bank like UBN or Duetsch. If they are having issues they should not be processing deposits from US players.

???

I think I'd be asking CW for an alternate method of cashing out.

 

[lots0]

Interesting that this QT issue came to light much quicker than EWE's did. Different companies obviously, just seems this was more of a priority, perhaps because more people used QT?

Hopefully all players involved in these tangled messes will be paid...

This all came to light because I started yelling and screaming, in this very thread about 10 pages back, about not getting my money. I was the first person to contact QT and tell them my money was missing. (OK done patting myself on the back)
Believe it or not I even had some people here telling me to keep my mouth shut about all this... No accounting for some folks.

My payments are still showing as "Confirmed", no payments have been reversed and no money in my bank account.

I still personally believe, that QT was hacked.
Hence all the withdrawal transactions are stopped, not just the US withdrawal transactions. (I am hearing that some casinos are still getting deposits from QT though)...

As I said before, the tracking numbers that QT gave me BEFORE they knew there was a problem.. track a transaction from QT to a Bank in Bosnia for the exact amount of my wire plus the QT fees...

When I asked QT chat why my money was sent to Bosnia, they did not answer and ended the chat. No more communication with QT after this.

I can almost guarantee that no business that wants to avoid attention would be transferring money in and out of Bosnia. Bosnia is HUGE red flag for any type of financial transaction.

I also think that QT would rather we all believe that the DOJ did this rather than admit their security was breached.

 

[footdr]

Was able to redeposit back to casino

I was able to redeposit my $8000 into my casino account and they are going to send me check via courier(although they will only issue a check for $3000.00 every 72 hours, hate to get 3 checks, but I am not complaining as atleast I will get my money)

 

[lots0]

I was able to redeposit my $8000 into my casino account and they are going to send me check via courier(although they will only issue a check for $3000.00 every 72 hours, hate to get 3 checks, but I am not complaining as atleast I will get my money)

Cool... was your transaction listed by QT as "Confirmed" or "Pending" before they reversed the payment?

 

[samoas]

I was able to redeposit my $8000 into my casino account and they are going to send me check via courier(although they will only issue a check for $3000.00 every 72 hours, hate to get 3 checks, but I am not complaining as atleast I will get my money)

Happy for you footdr! Congrats!

 

[labeled]

The more I think about it, I'm with Lots0 - I think they might've been hacked. I don't have the experience that you all have, but when the DOJ seized those poker sites, they sure weren't quiet about the seizure - the websites immediately bore a DOJ seal. But QT is up and running and acting as if everything is business as usual in the acceptance and transfers of deposits into QT and to casinos, anyway. They're also being suspiciously publicly quiet about the inability to process withdrawals from QT. I mean, other than their statement to Bryan (and thank goodness for that!) they don't have a note on their site, they're not posting statements at other forums... they're just being shifty, if you ask me.

And I think some - very highly regarded and even as in Sloto's case accredited - casinos are acting positively unconscionably by continuing to allow QT as their deposit and withdrawal option - sometimes their only option. So, do they know something that we're not privy to and truly do believe this will be sorted out? If, as InetBet stated the casinos are not receiving payments from QT either - why put their neck on the line like that, or if they are even halfway decently run, put their customers at continued risk?

If it was DOJ, I don't think anyone in their right mind would be acting as if there was some solution at hand - it would be as echeck.us.com a few months ago - just suddenly "the site is offline, sorry for any inconvenience." But they're continuing to let people access their accounts.

It just leads me to think either we're seeing a new low in unscrupulous behavior on all parts (and right now QT is wrong wrong wrong not to have a warning on their site until this is cleared up) or it's not DOJ related.

While I'm on the subject, it's popular to try to deflect any and all issues or responsibility onto the American government, but I think we all need to remember that these businesses have done their level best to circumvent those new laws and guidelines, and are not simply innocent parties with their hands tied when an issue does finally arise. To be blunt, if we as players were supposed to be prepared, that falls on their laps as well. /rant

 

[samoas]

This all came to light because I started yelling and screaming, in this very thread about 10 pages back, about not getting my money. I was the first person to contact QT and tell them my money was missing. (OK done patting myself on the back)

I will sheepishly admit I thought you were paranoid. I did follow the thread for a couple days then started to see the red flags, thanks to you. So here's my pat!

Hope this all works out for you and all of us awaiting funds.