President Trump

[lockinlove]

Iran responds by banning american citizens. Wow big punishment there. Do americans even really travel there? I would suspect it to be very dangerous.

Iran the biggest supporter of terrorism doesnt like it? Good.

France and Germany unite after Trump ban. Talk about 2 delusional countries. These 2 countries have been the brunt of numerous attacks that have killed hundreds of their citizens because they let refugees in.

 

[goatwack]

Iran responds by banning american citizens. Wow big punishment there. Do americans even really travel there? I would suspect it to be very dangerous.

Iran the biggest supporter of terrorism doesnt like it? Good.

Hey! I'm half Iranian!

ps I don't terrorize anyone & half my family live in the U.S. What a bummer!

 

[lockinlove]

Hey! I'm half Iranian!

ps I don't terrorize anyone & half my family live in the U.S. What a bummer!

You would be an exception once they heard your funny puns

 

[ricky]

Iran responds by banning american citizens. Wow big punishment there. Do americans even really travel there? I would suspect it to be very dangerous.

Iran the biggest supporter of terrorism doesnt like it? Good.

France and Germany unite after Trump ban. Talk about 2 delusional countries. These 2 countries have been the brunt of numerous attacks that have killed hundreds of their citizens because they let refugees in.

i dont get that, iran is a shia country? surely they would be the biggest allies of america in the middle east against isis

or you didnt know iran is 90+% shia?

 

[lockinlove]

i dont get that, iran is a shia country? surely they would be the biggest allies of america in the middle east against isis

or you didnt know iran is 90+% shia?

It doesnt matter what I know. Its just how it is.

A report from the state department of the USA reported that Iran to be one of the highest supporters of terrorism in the world which included training, financial assistance and equipment.

 

[ricky]

It doesnt matter what I know. Its just how it is.

A report from the state department of the USA reported that Iran to be one of the highest supporters of terrorism in the world which included training, financial assistance and equipment.

a report from mars stated the exact opposite

 

[lockinlove]

a report from mars stated the exact opposite

what?

 

[goatwack]

It doesnt matter what I know. Its just how it is.

A report from the state department of the USA reported that Iran to be one of the highest supporters of terrorism in the world which included training, financial assistance and equipment.

That's the thing with these official statements, it sets the narrative and makes things black & white to the average person. I have no doubt that there is a terrorist element in Iran, but it's far likelier to be of the 10% Sunni population, which still hold very hardline views.

Shiites on the other hand are far more 'western' in their outlook, so it is little wonder that these two groups vehemently oppose each other's ideology.

I may be biased but it's this sweeping condemnation by western leaders and agenda-laden media brainwashing presented as facts that have given the U.S such a bad rep worldwide. I wouldn't trust these reports as far as I could throw them, Iran is far from a terrorist haven, and is actually at odds with many other Middle Eastern countries.

Its only problem is that it borders hotbeds like Turkey, Afghanistan and Pakistan amongst others.

Persians are renowned for their relaxed attitude, at least most Shiites. The media gets people so worked up that they can't differentiate between these people of different origin, so an Iranian, Afghan and Turk all look the same and therefore are the same!

 

[TheAddict]

Wouldn't trust a report from the US and eat it up as "just the way it is" .. after previous recent wars that kicked off after things were reported.
Seems quite strange that the last 7 countries and its leaders who didn't have a central bank owned by the rothschilds have/had been overly demonized 1 by 1 until either war breaks out or the leader is removed .. and now, is it not just 3 left who don't yet have that central bank in place? One of which being Syria.......
Just saying, when you look at reasons or reports that gave apparant justification for going into those places such as WMD amongst other very questionable claims, it is quite an astounding coincidence that each country being reported on all have/had something in common.

 

[lockinlove]

How I decide whether its truthful or not is asking myself, what is the point in lying about this situation. Sometimes I can say meh I dont believe this because such and such and sometimes I say well there is no reason to lie, so I believe it. This is the conclusion I come to with the finding of Iran. There is no reason to lie. Especially since claiming the opposite would have helped Obama when explaining to the world his reasoning of the deal with Iran. So really there is no need to make it up.

And the reports dont just come from the USA, they come from intelligence communities all over the world. So in short, there is no reason to lie. If anything they would wish it isnt true as it would be much easier to broker a deal with them instead of accuse them of this which in turn would offend and has offended Iran.

 

[goatwack]

How I decide whether its truthful or not is asking myself, what is the point in lying about this situation. Sometimes I can say meh I dont believe this because such and such and sometimes I say well there is no reason to lie, so I believe it. This is the conclusion I come to with the finding of Iran. There is no reason to lie. Especially since claiming the opposite would have helped Obama when explaining to the world his reasoning of the deal with Iran. So really there is no need to make it up.

And the reports dont just come from the USA, they come from intelligence communities all over the world. So in short, there is no reason to lie. If anything they would wish it isnt true as it would be much easier to broker a deal with them instead of accuse them of this which in turn would offend and has offended Iran.

I'm not going to defend Iran or others, nor do I feel the need or have the right to tell you what you believe. You're an intelligent person from I've gathered from your posts over time, but I will definitely disagree on the bolded part of your statement; I do believe there is every reason to lie on these things! And yes they all do it, Obama, Bush, Kennedy and even bloody Trump!!

 

[lockinlove]

I'm not going to defend Iran or others, nor do I feel the need or have the right to tell you what you believe. You're an intelligent person from I've gathered from your posts over time, but I will definitely disagree on the bolded part of your statement; I do believe there is every reason to lie on these things! And yes they all do it, Obama, Bush, Kennedy and even bloody Trump!!

Yeah but I personally feel that lying about something like this would not favor the USA in any way but only harm them.

For example, when Obama stands there and tells his country that unemployment rate is at an all time low. Well thats a lie. The 4.7% number they come up with is incredibly misleading because they include people looking for a job when forming that number. Which is obviously self serving.

Im sure I dont have to say it but I will anyways so there isnt any confusion, I never look at any race or culture and form an opinion of that person. Its not like an Iranian walking down the street should be assumed a supporter of terrorism.

The same can be said of an American. The American government supported terrorism in a way too by arming some of them to fight against other terrorists because it furthered their interests.

I see Trump being incredible for alot of things including the war in Syria. He doesnt seem so hell bent on controlling who is the leader and who is not. Obama thought he knew best and look at what happened every time they ousted a leader, the country was taken over by terrorist who made it 10x worse. That being said I dont think someone who gasses their own people should remain in power. Assuming thats true of course.

 

[lockinlove]

Off topic to the discussion but I think the Trump presidency is going to be very telling about what Russia is really about. Trump wants to restore relations with them and even has some of the beliefs and policies of Putin. In the end, if they remain at odds over time, I believe that would show what Russia is really about and all the claims made about them to be true.

Right now I dont know what to believe because alot of it could be western propaganda. So I think anyone who is interested, will get their answer over the next couple of years.

 

[Matti]

"To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada"

Tweet from Justin Trudeau, Prime Minister Canada made a couple of hours ago.

 

[PCJACKPOT2008]

I really don't want to get into political discussions in a, for me, foreign language but....

As probably will happen in Sweden's election next year were a xenophobic party will probably get the most votes same thing happened in the US election and it's because of dissatisfaction (are things really that bad?) and peoples lack of political knowledge.

Yes, i'm including myself, I know far less about politics then what my parents knew when they were my age. Add social media were everyone can voice their non-knowledgeable thoughts about politics and now we are where we are.

I live in small town in Sweden and we have about a 100 refugees here and I have barely noticed them since they arrived. Nothing in the newspaper about them misbehaving.

What's happening in Syria and other countries is awful and non-terrorists have to be able to escape to other countries. I applaud what Sweden, Germany, France and others have done for refugees.

 

[goatwack]

"To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada"

Tweet from Justin Trudeau, Prime Minister Canada made a couple of hours ago.

Nice sentiment, Merkel said the same thing and that didn't turn out too well for Germany.

Absolutely nothing wrong with diversity, but making such an open statement without organization will end badly. When that happens you're giving free reign for an unspecified amount of people to come over.

Diversity is also great but when religious hatred (from both sides) comes into it, there is a problem. As in Germany, a lack of willing integration just ends up creating divisions in society, when the laws certain refugees and economic migrants have to abide by clash with their religious beliefs.

Trudeau must surely have seen what's been going on in Europe as a whole. It's an obvious dig at Trump but when the realities of his promises come to light he might be singing a different tune!

 

[lockinlove]

"To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada"

Tweet from Justin Trudeau, Prime Minister Canada made a couple of hours ago.

Pathetic. Maybe he should start taking care of our own. I watched a video last week of an army vet who was inured in combat. His pension took 6 months to get sorted and because of his injuries his parents needed to retire early to help. There is a thing where parents who do this get a certain amount of money from the government to help them pay their bills. This mans parent were refused.

Please tell me how you can bring in other people, pay their way for a certain amount of time but you cant afford to take care of our own. The ones that protect our country and give their lives for it.

And heres another thing. If this guy wants to let them pour in here, if there is one attack by them Trudeau should be thrown and jail for murder. Because there has not really been any deadly attacks thus far aside from one or two.

The liberals keep raising our bills. Just this month alone they increased our gas bills, our electricity and gas at the pumps with new taxes. How about you stop spending billions of dollars on refugees until we get things sorted out. Why cant they just contribute a certain amount of money and help with the building of a safe zone.

Trudeau is pretty much buying votes with this crap anyways.

 

[jetset]

"To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada"

Tweet from Justin Trudeau, Prime Minister Canada made a couple of hours ago.

That looks like another Merkel Moment.

It's a strange situation in Canada (and I suppose in other countries that have issued similar open invitations):

The normal immigration requirements are I understand quite tough but deliver immigrants who are reasonably funded and qualified, and who in most cases have jobs or businesses lined up so that they start contributing immediately to the economy. And to jump through all the bureaucratic hoops, they really have to want to live and work in Canada and be determined to do so.

There are usually also provisions imposing an initial window of several years during which government can cancel immigration permits if the immigrant is unable to sustain the required levels or behaves badly.

I'm not sure what sort of security, benefits and social vetting refugees from different cultures are given in Canada, but by contrast it must be a more expensive operation to get them organised, settled, employed and ultimately fully assimilated into Canadian culture as productive citizens.

In practical terms, does government study the costs, local employment and benefit implications of a possibly large infusion of refugees before issuing this sort of invitation? And does that window of opportunity for government to get rid of bad apples also apply?

 

[me_and_ed]

That looks like another Merkel Moment.

It's a strange situation in Canada (and I suppose in other countries that have issued similar open invitations):

The normal immigration requirements are I understand quite tough but deliver immigrants who are reasonably funded and qualified, and who in most cases have jobs or businesses lined up so that they start contributing immediately to the economy. And to jump through all the bureaucratic hoops, they really have to want to live and work in Canada and be determined to do so.

There are usually also provisions imposing an initial window of several years during which government can cancel immigration permits if the immigrant is unable to sustain the required levels or behaves badly.

I'm not sure what sort of security, benefits and social vetting refugees from different cultures are given in Canada, but by contrast it must be a more expensive operation to get them organised, settled, employed and ultimately fully assimilated into Canadian culture as productive citizens.

In practical terms, does government study the costs, local employment and benefit implications of a possibly large infusion of refugees before issuing this sort of invitation? And does that window of opportunity for government to get rid of bad apples also apply?

The previous Harper government had it right, Turdeau has no clue, billions spent of frivolous and unstudied causes, the trickle effect will follow pretty quick here.

 

[jetset]

Trump immigration order

Quote:
The American Civil Liberties Union announced Saturday evening that a federal court in New York had issued an emergency stay on President Trump’s executive order banning immigration from seven predominantly Muslim countries. The court’s decision, which will affect people who have been detained in airports, came after the ACLU and other activist groups filed a class action lawsuit on behalf of two Iraqis who were held*at John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York as a result of the order.

“I hope Trump enjoys losing. He’s going to lose so much we’re going to get sick and tired of his losing,” ACLU national political director Faiz Shakir told Yahoo News shortly after the decision was announced. Unquote

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[Harry_BKK]

Iran responds by banning american citizens. Wow big punishment there. Do americans even really travel there? I would suspect it to be very dangerous.

Iran the biggest supporter of terrorism doesnt like it? Good.

France and Germany unite after Trump ban. Talk about 2 delusional countries. These 2 countries have been the brunt of numerous attacks that have killed hundreds of their citizens because they let refugees in.

sorry and with all due respect...are you for real??? have you ever made an effort to travel to that region or Iran itself?

Iran is one of the most educated, thoughtful, kind and generous nation that i have every encountered in all my travels. If you want to know where that region goes back to then google "Persia".

Just like Trump, Bush sr and jr they have and had some leaders who like to play war and create havoc in the region. By the way, one of the main reasons Iran has become like it is today is ....guess, guess, guess --> THE USA. If you don't know then google about the Shah being ousted some 40 years ago. During his time Iran was the pearl of the orient.

Right so that they ban US citizens from their country. If Iranians are not welcome in the US, why should they welcome US citizens to Iran?

Trump is asking for "tit-for-tat" actions and that is what he is going to get.


By the way, he is fooling you all big time. He can sign hundreds of decrees but they won't become real until congress and parliament approve them, especially those were money is involved, e.g. the wall. So saying that he does what he promised during his campaign is at best laughable.

 

[lockinlove]

sorry and with all due respect...are you for real???

Iran is one of the most educated, thoughtful, kind and generous nation that i have every encountered in all my travels. If you want to know where that region goes back to then google "Persia".

Just like Trump, Bush sr and jr they have and had some leaders who like to play war and create havoc in the region. By the way, on of the reasons Iran has become like it is today is ....guess, guess, guess --> THE USA. If you don't know then google about the Shah being ousted some 40. During his time Iran was the pearl of the orient.

Right so that they ban US citizens from their country. If Iranians are not welcome in the US, why should they welcome US citizens to Iran.

Trump is asking for "tit-for-tat" actions and that is what he is going to get.


By the way, he is fooling you all big time. He can sign hundreds of decrees but they won't become real until congress and parliament approve them, especially those were money is involved, e.g. the wall. So saying that he does what he promised during his campaign is at best laughable.

Am I for real? The question is are you for real suggesting the Iranian government is great because you traveled there?

There has also been 7 countries that have travel warnings going to this country including the USA, Canada, UK and more.

And to answer your question, does USA citizens pose a threat to Iran? No.
Do some people who live in Iran pose a threat the the USA. Yes.

So thats why they dont need to ban Americans. So again. Who cares if they ban american citizens. They could care less it does nothing but send a political message to the american government

 

[Harry_BKK]

Am I for real? The question is are you for real suggesting the Iranian government is great because you traveled there?

There has also been 7 countries that have travel warnings going to this country including the USA, Canada, UK and more.

And to answer your question, does USA citizens pose a threat to Iran? No.
Do some people who live in Iran pose a threat the the USA. Yes.

So thats why they dont need to ban Americans. So again. Who cares if they ban american citizens. They could care less it does nothing but send a political message to the american government

Don't turn my words around please. i said the nation is great, not the government. Read the second paragraph again which explains what i think about their government.

USA very much poses a threat to the whole region. For some 2 decades now the US has created havoc in the middle east and has left everywhere chaos and turmoil. NOTHING the US has done in that region has been in any way helpful to anyone, in contrary the US has made their life a misery just like they did in Vietnam, Cambodia, Korea and all other places where the US went to war in the past decades and that never with an intention to help the people in those countries. The only people it helped was the arms lobby in the US who are making big bucks out of it.

EDIT: For your info i felt and was more welcome in Iran than in the USA every time i traveled there!

 

[lockinlove]

Don't turn my words around please. i said the nation is great, not the government. Read the second paragraph again which explains what i think about their government.

USA very much poses a threat to the whole region. For some 2 decades now the US has created havoc in the middle east and has left everywhere chaos and turmoil. NOTHING the US has done in that region has been in any way helpful to anyone, in contrary the US has made their life a misery just like they did in Vietnam, Cambodia, Korea and all other places where the US went to war in the past decades and that never with an intention to help the people in those countries. The only people it helped was the arms lobby in the US who are making big bucks out of it.

Who turned your words around. I said woopty doo Iran is banning americans from visiting their country. Big deal. I didnt say anything about scenery, the people,culture, education or anything. So when you quoted me and talked about that its like you are assuming thats what I meant. Im sure its a great place to travel when tensions arent so high and americans lives are worth alot over there.



My comment was made because americans dont really go there due to the travel advisories. From the US passport and international travel department

so Iran doing this is no punishment to the people of america.

Iranian authorities continue to unjustly detain and imprison U.S. citizens, particularly Iranian-Americans, including students, journalists, business travelers, and academics, on charges including espionage and posing a threat to national security. Iranian authorities have also prevented the departure, in some cases for months, of a number of Iranian-American citizens who traveled to Iran for personal or professional reasons. U.S. citizens traveling to Iran should very carefully weigh the risks of travel and consider postponing their travel. U.S. citizens residing in Iran should closely follow media reports, monitor local conditions, and evaluate the risks of remaining in the country.

Sure USA may pose a threat to their region but the citizens dont.

And you might be right about Trump but you may be wrong too. All im really saying is give him his chance. I like what he has to offer but lets see how it goes.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Who turned your words around. I said woopty doo Iran is banning americans from visiting their country. Big deal. I didnt say anything about scenery, the people,culture, education or anything. So when you quoted me and talked about that its like you are assuming thats what I meant. Im sure its a great place to travel when tensions arent so high and americans lives are worth alot over there.



My comment was made because americans dont really go there due to the travel advisories. From the US passport and international travel department so Iran doing this is no punishment to the people of america.


Sure USA may pose a threat to their region but the citizens dont.

And you might be right about Trump but you may be wrong too. All im really saying is give him his chance. I like what he has to offer but lets see how it goes.

My last comment on this as my world view differs strongly and I will never agree with the "America first" view.

On top, in all my years of traveling to all continents to well over 100 countries i was ALWAYS treated with respect and dignity at the borders, except the USA. That already tells me a lot.

Trump has produced hot air bubbles all his life and left quickly on each occasion when the shit was hitting the fan. What he is doing now as American president resembles exactly what he has done in his life. Sign big things, threaten everyone around him for now apparent reason, make a big show of everything, lie whenever it's needed.

That he is going to produce anything good that is worth mentioning during his presidency would be an absolute miracle. You talk about giving him a chance, well ...he carries on as he did in his business and private life, so what good shall one expect now???

 

[lockinlove]

My last comment on this as my world view differs strongly and I will never agree with the "America first" view.

On top, in all my years of traveling to all continents to well over 100 countries i was ALWAYS treated with respect and dignity at the borders, except the USA. That already tells me a lot.

Trump has produced hot air bubbles all his life and left quickly on each occasion when the shit was hitting the fan. What he is doing now as American president resembles exactly what he has done in his life. Sign big things, threaten everyone around him for now apparent reason, make a big show of everything, lie whenever it's needed.

That he is going to produce anything good that is worth mentioning during his presidency would be an absolute miracle. You talk about giving him a chance, well ...he carries on as he did in his business and private life, so what good shall one expect now???

I see no other option than america first when they are 21 trillion dollars in debt.


As for your opinion on Trump im not going to bother to argue that. I can see that its most likely a senseless conversation to have.

 

[slotplayer]

Don't turn my words around please. i said the nation is great, not the government. Read the second paragraph again which explains what i think about their government.

USA very much poses a threat to the whole region. For some 2 decades now the US has created havoc in the middle east and has left everywhere chaos and turmoil. NOTHING the US has done in that region has been in any way helpful to anyone, in contrary the US has made their life a misery just like they did in Vietnam, Cambodia, Korea and all other places where the US went to war in the past decades and that never with an intention to help the people in those countries. The only people it helped was the arms lobby in the US who are making big bucks out of it.

EDIT: For your info i felt and was more welcome in Iran than in the USA every time i traveled there!

Bin Laden created havoc in the Middle East.

Stop blaming America.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Bin Laden created havoc in the Middle East.

Stop blaming America.

And who fed Bin Laden or better said the Taliban with weapons in the '80s to fight the Russians --> THE USA.

The soon he / they was / were no use to USA anymore they dropped him / them like a cold brick, only to go back and fight him/them not even 2 decades later! And failed miserably to defeat him/them.

Are you that misinformed in the US or are you closing deliberately your ears and eyes????

 

[goatwack]

C'mon now, we didn't really believe this was going to be a two-page thread about Melania Trump did we?

Incidentally, she still scrubs up well.

I wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating crackers.

 

[Steviedoo]

There have been over 4000 shootings and 800 gun deaths in Chicago in 2016.

everyone and their little brother can buy a gun the USA.

But let's ban the Muslims.

 

[slotplayer]

And who fed Bin Laden or better said the Taliban with weapons in the '80s to fight the Russians --> THE USA.

The soon he / they was / were no use to USA anymore they dropped him / them like a cold brick, only to go back and fight him/them not even 2 decades later! And failed miserably to defeat him/them.

Are you that misinformed in the US or are you closing deliberately your ears and eyes????

Everyone please read the timeline of events

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1996 Bin Laden declares a jihad, or holy war, against U.S. forces.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Everyone please read the timeline of events

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1996 Bin Laden declares a jihad, or holy war, against U.S. forces.

And everyone read why it all came to that:

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I quote, only one part, there is much more. The CIA was extremely involved in all what was happening in Afghanistan:

Afghan insurgents began to receive massive amounts of aid and military training in neighboring Pakistan and China,[8] paid for primarily by the United States and Arab monarchies in the Persian Gulf

I have to ask again --> are you that misinformed in the US???

 

[goatwack]

Just watch Rambo III. It's all in there! :machinegu

 

[slotplayer]

And everyone read why it all came to that:

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I quote, only one part, there is much more. The CIA was extremely involved in all what was happening in Afghanistan:



I have to ask again --> are you that misinformed in the US???

You notice how you keep singling out the USA but no other countries. Why is that?

 

[Harry_BKK]

You notice how you keep singling out the USA but no other countries. Why is that?

Because this thread is about the US and its president.

Open one about the Middle East and I shall contribute there as well.

 

[goatwack]

I'll kick things off.

"The Iran / Iraq War and its long-term effects in the Middle East"

 

[slotplayer]

Because this thread is about the US and its president.

Open one about the Middle East and I shall contribute there as well.

That's pretty weak. My guess is you have some sort of vitriol against the USA.

Anyone have anything good to say about the USA?

 

[Harry_BKK]

That's pretty weak. My guess is you have some sort of vitriol against the USA.

Anyone have anything good to say about the USA?

Not weak, just the fact. Open a thread e.g. on the Shiite - Sunni thematic and I'll happily contribute, i am pretty well informed.

Why on earth are the US and its people always assuming that if somebody doesn't agree with them means they are against them and, as you put it, has "some sort of vitriol against the USA"? Are you that simple minded and "one-way" thinking?

 

[Harry_BKK]

There have been over 4000 shootings and 800 gun deaths in Chicago in 2016.

everyone and their little brother can buy a gun the USA.

But let's ban the Muslims.

Just for comparison reasons: 123 US citizens died due to terrorist attacks on American soil in over 15 years since 9/11.

The number of gun deaths in one year in one single city is nearly 7x that amount. But yeah, they need more guns!

 

[Jono777]

That's pretty weak. My guess is you have some sort of vitriol against the USA.

Anyone have anything good to say about the USA?

What

The title of the thread is Trump is it not?

Now where is he the president of, ????

Made a decision when I saw it open to stop out of this thread but when "aarrghh" situations arise I simply cannot help myself.

The USA is a great country and I mean that, just I prefer cold, wet and miserable GB!

 

[Steviedoo]

That's pretty weak. My guess is you have some sort of vitriol against the USA.

Anyone have anything good to say about the USA?

Yes I do. I love the USA. And I love Americans. I have had the privileged to see almost every corner of the USA just like I have of Canada. People and the land are so beautiful. I am saddened that the USA is so divided.

I love everything about it except your gun laws and the senseless violence it causes. I am quite torn about what is happening right now...

Don't make this thread about anti USA sentiments. It is not.

 

[goatwack]

I think it's ok to like Americans and dislike American foreign policies over the years. A lot of their interference in world affairs has been self-serving whilst to the detriment of others to be fair. So ultimately we may like some presidents more than others but when it comes to policing the world, not a lot changes.

I don't expect Trump to excel with his diplomatic skills but I'll watch with interest if he can repair the U.S from within.

Like I said before, I have family over in Florida and California, and although I've only been there briefly I found the people I met to be great

 

[ternur]

It's not religious profiling like you think, the ban would exist if it were Hidu's, Christian's or Jews repeatedly committing acts of terror.

I'm not going to argue if the EO is illegal per se according to US law, but it's pretty clear it's a violation in regards to international law.

I guess we can expect more of these kinds of populist actions from this administration. Not surprising when there are people like Steve Bannon making "strategic" decisions.

 

[goatwack]

I do think the executive order issued by Trump was cynical, and if you're going to make a statement of intent then do it for the right reasons.

The shitlist includes Syria, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen with more to follow it seems.

One notable absentee is Saudi Arabia, a country that houses terror cells and has one of the most shocking human rights records around, yet is allied with the U.S with whom it has trade rights, notably oil!

 

[Harry_BKK]

I do think the executive order issued by Trump was cynical, and if you're going to make a statement of intent then do it for the right reasons.

The shitlist includes Syria, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen with more to follow it seems.

One notable absentee is Saudi Arabia, a country that houses terror cells and has one of the most shocking human rights records around, yet is allied with the U.S with whom it has trade rights, notably oil!

All "muslim" countries where Trump has active business interests are not on the list! Hmmm, why would that be?

IIRC the 9/11 guys were from Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Lebanon - none are on the list!!!

These EO's are just a populist show to demonstrate to his voters he is THE MAN and keeps his campaign promises. None of these EO's will get through parliament, congress or courts in the form they were issued. But the "show" must go on!

 

[lockinlove]

I think it's ok to like Americans and dislike American foreign policies over the years. A lot of their interference in world affairs has been self-serving whilst to the detriment of others to be fair. So ultimately we may like some presidents more than others but when it comes to policing the world, not a lot changes.

I don't expect Trump to excel with his diplomatic skills but I'll watch with interest if he can repair the U.S from within.

Like I said before, I have family over in Florida and California, and although I've only been there briefly I found the people I met to be great

Yeah I like americans. We have a cottage in New York state just outside of Plattsburgh so we are in america all the time. We have dozens of american friends. Id say 70% of them voted Trump. I actually spoke to one of my friends today because they were going through one of the airports that are being protested against and he said most americans support Trump and his ban and that its the illegals and muslims for the most part that are protesting for the most part. Which I guess its expected. But he said if you watch CNN they dont say anything like that.

From what I gather, americans are sick and tired of the usual politicians and that when they see them speaking on behalf of americans it makes them sick. Especially the ones who always speak against trump that are republican

 

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I do think the executive order issued by Trump was cynical, and if you're going to make a statement of intent then do it for the right reasons.

The shitlist includes Syria, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen with more to follow it seems.

One notable absentee is Saudi Arabia, a country that houses terror cells and has one of the most shocking human rights records around, yet is allied with the U.S with whom it has trade rights, notably oil!

Saudi Arabia will never be put on that list. There are too many large American countries that deal with them. And like I said before, its enough to effect the US economy. Im sure Trump probably wants to but his hands are tied.

 

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Yes I do. I love the USA. And I love Americans. I have had the privileged to see almost every corner of the USA just like I have of Canada. People and the land are so beautiful. I am saddened that the USA is so divided.

I love everything about it except your gun laws and the senseless violence it causes. I am quite torn about what is happening right now...

Don't make this thread about anti USA sentiments. It is not.

This is one thing Americans are incredibly adamant about. Their gun laws. Every single one of my friends said if there guns were to be taken away they would refuse and fight for them. They absolutely love their guns over there and dont want change.

 

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Not weak, just the fact. Open a thread e.g. on the Shiite - Sunni thematic and I'll happily contribute, i am pretty well informed.

Why on earth are the US and its people always assuming that if somebody doesn't agree with them means they are against them and, as you put it, has "some sort of vitriol against the USA"? Are you that simple minded and "one-way" thinking?

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lol are you serious?

How about Americans probably dont like someone who lives thousands of miles away telling them how their country should or should not be run when the only info they have is what they see on tv but act like they are more informed than americans themselves.

But great job clumping everyone together with your "why on earth do US and its people" comments

Try to be a little less patronizing.

 

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Because this thread is about the US and its president.

Open one about the Middle East and I shall contribute there as well.

Actually this thread is about all walks of life, cultures and countries as the United states actions effect all of the world. You were fine bringing up other countries earlier.