President Trump

[dionysus]

You're gonna have to learn how to multi quote

I remember I used to log into Facebook and it was all funny cat memes and movie/tv updates.. now my entire feed is trump posts. I think I miss the cat memes lol

 

[lockinlove]

You're gonna have to learn how to multi quote

I remember I used to log into Facebook and it was all funny cat memes and movie/tv updates.. now my entire feed is trump posts. I think I miss the cat memes lol

I actually made that same comment not long ago about my facebook and how its full of Trump posts. Id take cat memes every day of the week

Edit: I do know how to use multi quote but for some reason it keeps refreshing my page lol

 

[lockinlove]

Just for comparison reasons: 123 US citizens died due to terrorist attacks on American soil in over 15 years since 9/11.

The number of gun deaths in one year in one single city is nearly 7x that amount. But yeah, they need more guns!

This is a misleading comment. 123 may have died but thousands have been injured. 265 were actually injured by just the Boston marathon bombing alone. So lets not take away from those people who have suffered at the hands of terrorists.

But why are you putting the starting line after 9/11? Because it makes your numbers look better or something?

And its not too many guns, its the vetting process of how they are allowed to be obtained. They need stiffer laws. In my opinion, they should copy Canada in those regards. Sure america has 4-5x the population we do but you rarely ever hear of shooting sprees here. One of the reasons is because of our strict laws.

 

[Matti]

Yeah I like americans. We have a cottage in New York state just outside of Plattsburgh so we are in america all the time. We have dozens of american friends. Id say 70% of them voted Trump. I actually spoke to one of my friends today because they were going through one of the airports that are being protested against and he said most americans support Trump and his ban and that its the illegals and muslims for the most part that are protesting for the most part. Which I guess its expected. But he said if you watch CNN they dont say anything like that.

From what I gather, americans are sick and tired of the usual politicians and that when they see them speaking on behalf of americans it makes them sick. Especially the ones who always speak against trump that are republican

I like Americans as well and I believe all posters in this thread do.

However I don't like Donald Trump(he is a narcissistic psychopath) BUT he was elected president in a democratic election. Something that needs to be respected. However this doesn't mean you are entitled to make any decisions you like without being questioned. It also doesn't mean that you can't discriminate the minority that didn't vote for you.
I don't know of any of my American friends that voted for Trump so apparently you and I don't share that many friends

Trump needs to become a president for all Americans. So far he is not.

 

[lockinlove]

I like Americans as well and I believe all posters in this thread do.

However I don't like Donald Trump(he is a narcissistic psychopath) BUT he was elected president in a democratic election. Something that needs to be respected. However this doesn't mean you are entitled to make any decisions you like without being questioned. It also doesn't mean that you can't discriminate the minority that didn't vote for you.
I don't know of any of my American friends that voted for Trump so apparently you and I don't share that many friends

Trump needs to become a president for all Americans. So far he is not.

As with all president, he will be questioned and held accountable.

Its funny though, Everyone forgets that Obama put a 6 month travel ban on Iraqis.

Also this list that Trump banned, is a list that the Obama admin created as a threat to western society.

But these are the things CNN wont tell you because it doesnt serve their purpose. And this is why the thread is filled with non north americans trashing Trump while you have most, if not all Westerners defending him. Because we live it, where you guys just get fed the propanganda laced media

Trump needs to become a president for all Americans. So far he is not

While this sounds good its just not realistic. You will never have 100% support.

 

[slotplayer]

All "muslim" countries where Trump has active business interests are not on the list! Hmmm, why would that be?

IIRC the 9/11 guys were from Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Lebanon - none are on the list!!!

These EO's are just a populist show to demonstrate to his voters he is THE MAN and keeps his campaign promises. None of these EO's will get through parliament, congress or courts in the form they were issued. But the "show" must go on!

The list came from the Obama Administration.

 

[dionysus]

As with all president, he will be questioned and held accountable.

Its funny though, Everyone forgets that Obama put a 6 month travel ban on Iraqis.

Also this list that Trump banned, is a list that the Obama admin created as a threat to western society.

But these are the things CNN wont tell you because it doesnt serve their purpose. And this is why the thread is filled with non north americans trashing Trump while you have most, if not all Westerners defending him. Because we live it, where you guys just get fed the propanganda laced media



While this sounds good its just not realistic. You will never have 100% support.

Well as far as this thread perhaps..not necessarily in general. Personally I find the guy to be a dick and easily the vast majority of people I know (Canadian and American) feel the same (just as I've N American friends and acquaintances who are fans).
I don't want to debate it in cm is all. But I can tell you it isn't all pro Trump over here.

 

[lockinlove]

Well as far as this thread perhaps..not necessarily in general. Personally I find the guy to be a dick and easily the vast majority of people I know (Canadian and American) feel the same (just as I've N American friends and acquaintances who are fans).
I don't want to debate it in cm is all. But I can tell you it isn't all pro Trump over here.

Oh I know there are people who think hes a clown over here. I was more or less saying in this thread. I dont really blame non north americans, I would probably be the same after being fed non stop garbage in the news.

The 30% of my american friends despise him. While the other 70% love him. From the people I know and where I live I find it mostly people who defend him though and actually think he should be given a chance. I know very few Canadians who oppose him and actually oppose trudeau. Just look at any news articles comment section. its full of Canadians pissed off with the media and hate Trudeau and his comments in regards to Trumps view.

Edit: Actually just went and opened up an article on yahoo and the comments section is full of thousands of Canadians making these comments so it really goes to show what the majority seems to think here. This is right from the top and scrolling through thousands its all the same aside from a few here and there

 

[goatwack]

I love how people never know anyone that may be a Trump supporter or voted for him, yet 50% of voters did just that!

It's as if that vocal group of Trump- bashers think by saying what a douchebag he is that they win trophies or life points

Maybe no one voted Trump at all and it's all been an elaborate hoax! Trump supporters are creatures parents read their children in a bedtime story....

 

[dionysus]

Not really. I've the same articles and tweets showing a lot of support as well along with dissention Re trudeau. While granted I've come across more anti Trudeau comments equally I've come across more anti trump sentiments. From here I see a far greater anti than pro sentiment which shows it really comes down to what we read and who we know and that it isn't as clear cut as one side having an overwhelming edge.

 

[lockinlove]

I do see some trump hate too. I wouldnt disagree with that. But I get that, there are alot of cultures hes offended.

But it is really telling about the trudeau comments. I see very little support for him. I would say 1 in every 10 comments is supportive of his stance maybe even less. And thats being generous because on yahoo its like 1 in every 50. The only reason why I use yahoo is because its Liberal media just like CBC. And both news sites are full of negative comments towards Trudeau. Yet the media continues to pour out "our hearts bleed" articles when its not the opinion of the people and try to spin it like it is.

 

[slotplayer]

Not weak, just the fact. Open a thread e.g. on the Shiite - Sunni thematic and I'll happily contribute, i am pretty well informed.

Why on earth are the US and its people always assuming that if somebody doesn't agree with them means they are against them and, as you put it, has "some sort of vitriol against the USA"? Are you that simple minded and "one-way" thinking?

Afghan insurgents began to receive massive amounts of aid and military training in neighboring Pakistan and China,[8] paid for primarily by the United States and Arab monarchies in the Persian Gulf

its the part you put in bold that was the clue.

 

[Matti]

As with all president, he will be questioned and held accountable.

Its funny though, Everyone forgets that Obama put a 6 month travel ban on Iraqis.

Also this list that Trump banned, is a list that the Obama admin created as a threat to western society.

But these are the things CNN wont tell you because it doesnt serve their purpose. And this is why the thread is filled with non north americans trashing Trump while you have most, if not all Westerners defending him. Because we live it, where you guys just get fed the propanganda laced media

While this sounds good its just not realistic. You will never have 100% support.

Wow, yes of course. I'm naive and have no competence in evaluating different news media.
Please tell me the source of your wisdom. What are the media where I can get the correct information.

 

[Steviedoo]

....honestly the world has gone crazy....anti Islam anti Muslim...anti everything that is not alike ....attack on Quebec City mosque tonight during evening prayers...montreal is now on high alert.....the world is under siege with hatred ...I cannot handle it...

 

[lockinlove]

Yeah I just read that. Its the same one that someone put a pigs head on their doorstep too I think. You dont usually see this kind of thing in Canada.

 

[Harry_BKK]

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lol are you serious?

How about Americans probably dont like someone who lives thousands of miles away telling them how their country should or should not be run when the only info they have is what they see on tv but act like they are more informed than americans themselves.

But great job clumping everyone together with your "why on earth do US and its people" comments

Try to be a little less patronizing.

Overall i spent probably 1 year of my life in the US, so no, it is not just what i see on TV. And some 90% of that time was in factories throughout the country, staying in local motels&hotels, spending the days and evenings with the "normal" Americans. Hence, I think i have a pretty good knowledge of the character, culture, traditions etc. and can make some informed comments.

Actually this thread is about all walks of life, cultures and countries as the United states actions effect all of the world. You were fine bringing up other countries earlier.

This thread is about D. Trump and America. I answered to your post regarding Iran which is affected by the latest EO. So please, don't say "OTHER" countrieS when it was just one.

This is a misleading comment. 123 may have died but thousands have been injured. 265 were actually injured by just the Boston marathon bombing alone. So lets not take away from those people who have suffered at the hands of terrorists.

But why are you putting the starting line after 9/11? Because it makes your numbers look better or something?

And its not too many guns, its the vetting process of how they are allowed to be obtained. They need stiffer laws. In my opinion, they should copy Canada in those regards. Sure america has 4-5x the population we do but you rarely ever hear of shooting sprees here. One of the reasons is because of our strict laws.

And how many got injured in shootings.....that is probably in the 10,000's every year. Happy to go through archives and stats to collect data for the last 25 years --> people killed in all US from gun shots vs. terrorist attacks. It would still be a very high multiple for the first.

It is clearly too many guns!!! More guns won't guarantee more security. And why do they need guns? What use do they have other than killing somebody???

Is D. Trump going to ban people from carrying guns because so many die every year from gun shots??? it is clearly a threat to the security of the American people! Of course he will not!

But let's ban Muslims as that will get the biggest attention worldwide.

The list came from the Obama Administration.

Does it matter where it came from?

its the part you put in bold that was the clue.

That was in answer to your post that America is not to blame for the havoc in the Middle East region and how Bin Laden is to blame as well as your timeline from CNN. The US supported Bin Laden when it served their purpose and then dropped him when he was no use to them anymore. Hence, to a good part they created the "terrorist" Bin Laden themselves.

 

[Webzcas]

Week one, a recap

 

[lockinlove]

Overall i spent probably 1 year of my life in the US, so no, it is not just what i see on TV. And some 90% of that time was in factories throughout the country, staying in local motels&hotels, spending the days and evenings with the "normal" Americans. Hence, I think i have a pretty good knowledge of the character, culture, traditions etc. and can make some informed comments

So you think because you lived there for a year you can generalize a population of 130 million people? Sorry but my family and friends who are American can take varying opinions just fine without getting offended and taking it personal like you suggest. And so can the rest of Americans.

This thread is about D. Trump and America. I answered to your post regarding Iran which is affected by the latest EO. So please, don't say "OTHER" countrieS when it was just one.

Its never been just about one country. There has been talk of numerous countries as his policies relate to many

And how many got injured in shootings.....that is probably in the 10,000's every year. Happy to go through archives and stats to collect data for the last 25 years --> people killed in all US from gun shots vs. terrorist attacks. It would still be a very high multiple for the first.

What does that matter? Thousands of americans have been killed by islamic terrorism. And if you want to go and claim data thats fine, Im here to respond. How many of these shootings are done by illegals, Terrorists and home grown terrorists? One doesnt matter more than the other. The total deaths from terrorism from 9/11 and on is close to 4,000 people. That is a huge amount. Just because there has been 50,000 gun related deaths makes absolutely no difference.

It is clearly too many guns!!! More guns won't guarantee more security. And why do they need guns? What use do they have other than killing somebody???

There is nothing to argue here since I think the USA needs to tighten their gun laws. But just to answer your question, guns also protect innocent people which is what the citizens argument is.

Is D. Trump going to ban people from carrying guns because so many die every year from gun shots??? it is clearly a threat to the security of the American people! Of course he will not!

No he wont but he is going to tighten security in his country which will hopefully decrease that.

But let's ban Muslims as that will get the biggest attention worldwide.

He is banning the countries where the most threats come from for 90 days until they can figure out some type of security measures so these terrorist attacks will be cut down. Just like Obama did.

For a long time, every month a new terrorist attack happened in america. Walking into schools, businesses, the streets, night clubs and opening fire on everyone. 4000 innocent american citizens killed. Its time for a change. Its alot better than having to do media presses every 30 days because 20 more people were gunned down by terrorism.

Does it matter where it came from?

Yes it does because you suggested he picked which countries suited him the best. When in fact it was the Obama administration who didnt have the balls to do what Trump just did.

 

[geordiecolin]

The Mexicans training to get over the wall

 

[Harry_BKK]

So you think because you lived there for a year you can generalize a population of 130 million people? Sorry but my family and friends who are American can take varying opinions just fine without getting offended and taking it personal like you suggest. And so can the rest of Americans.

Didn't say i lived there for a year! My total time spent in the US is overall about 1 year or more and that was across the country. The sentiments, opinions and characters were pretty similar from east to west. I only said that i feel sufficiently informed to make comments.

Why is Trump then generalizing the whole population of those listed countries that is much more than 130mio? He has not even been to those countries for a single day of his life!

Its never been just about one country. There has been talk of numerous countries as his policies relate to many

OK

What does that matter? Thousands of americans have been killed by islamic terrorism. And if you want to go and claim data thats fine, Im here to respond. How many of these shootings are done by illegals, Terrorists and home grown terrorists? One doesnt matter more than the other. The total deaths from terrorism from 9/11 and on is close to 4,000 people. That is a huge amount. Just because there has been 50,000 gun related deaths makes absolutely no difference.

So you are saying 50,000 own people killed by guns carried by Americans is OK and makes no difference? Really?

There is nothing to argue here since I think the USA needs to tighten their gun laws. But just to answer your question, guns also protect innocent people which is what the citizens argument is.

No he wont but he is going to tighten security in his country which will hopefully decrease that.

Weapons were important for protection in the stone age to make sure the human race survives. We evolved since and are more intelligent i would think. There's is no need whatsoever for a single weapon in this world. Not a single one!

He is banning the countries where the most threats come from for 90 days until they can figure out some type of security measures so these terrorist attacks will be cut down. Just like Obama did.

What terrorist attacks? You write it like they happen on a daily basis

For a long time, every month a new terrorist attack happened in america. Walking into schools, businesses, the streets, night clubs and opening fire on everyone. 4000 innocent american citizens killed. Its time for a change. Its alot better than having to do media presses every 30 days because 20 more people were gunned down by terrorism.

This is the typical hysterical comment that gets people wrongly enraged. Most of those attacks are committed by American citizens. 4000 is a highly exaggerated number as it includes that one event.

Since 9/11 on average 0.70 Americans / 30 days have been killed due to terrorist attacks. That is pretty equal to a 12- hour period in Chicago alone.

Or let's stick to your 4,000 --> that is 22.2 / 30 day period --> equivalent to a 10-day period in Chicago alone!

And how many innocent people have been killed by Americans when they went to war for no reason in the Middle Eastern countries? Or in Vietnam or Cambodia...list not complete?

Oh, i forgot...they were not American, so they don't count!

Yes it does because you suggested he picked which countries suited him the best. When in fact it was the Obama administration who didnt have the balls to do what Trump just did.

No, not the balls...... the Obama administration had the wisdom that doing it would not be the solution. They saw that, Trump is not!

 

[The Dude]

Well, looks like it's time to move this to the "Political Rants" section.

Just a few comments if I may:

No matter how much you bomb ISIS, kill them, blow them up, etc.' it will never be defeated because it is an ideology. It is in the mind like ignorance - and its seeds come from intolerance and ignorance - like all toxic ideologies. Since this is based on religion that is rife with superstition and mythology, it has a supernatural element that frees it from political ideologies like National Socialism or your typical fascism. So in effect, if you blow them up, you create more of them elsewhere.

They key to defeating this is by finding the source of their anger, and to do whatever it is to peacefully and effectively eliminate that source. It could be political corruption, lack of clean water, not enough resources, etc. Blowing people up just acerbates the problem. Hearing people cheer that they are going to blow up Isis is stupidity on a grand scale - and it's offensive.

Combat vets who have seen the carnage (real carnage - not imaginary carnage like the bullshit Trump was blabbering about during his inauguration) know exactly what I'm talking about. There are children in battlefields, and once you see some of them wounded you'll change your hawkish views and chose another way to resolve these things. You're a shithead if you don't.

Trump disgusts me. I can't believe any veteran would even imagine voting for this egocentric dick. When he stated that McCain was not a hero because he was shot down over N. Vietnam - and who was wounded and tortured by the NVA, I was flabbergasted - I will never forget that. It's not about the way the term "hero" is used nowadays, it was the disrespect that Trump had shown towards people who actually made sacrifices serving the country.

Lest we forget his flippant comments towards the Gold Star family the Khans, or his "oh, boy - I wish I had gotten one of these" comment he made when some vet presented him with his personally awarded Purple Heart. I bet Trump would have changed his tune if he had his limbs blown off, or his face melted off from white phosphorus. Google "white phosphorus wounds" in Google images and you'll understand why comments like this disgust me. (Caveat - please don't Google it if you are not prepare to see some really bad things that you can't unsee).

And don't get me started on his comments towards women. I loath people like him. I would not want any child to admire him, and want to be like him. His leadership style is contemptible.

/rant

 

[lockinlove]

Didn't say i lived there for a year! My total time spent in the US is overall about 1 year or more and that was across the country. The sentiments, opinions and characters were pretty similar from east to west. I only said that i feel sufficiently informed to make comments.

Why is Trump then generalizing the whole population of those listed countries that is much more than 130mio? He has not even been to those countries for a single day of his life!

Because these are the countries where the attacks and terrorism come from as per dozens of intelligence agencies around the world. You seem like a huge supporter of Obama. So Obama was wrong when he made that list then? You make it sound like Trump sat in a chair and said ok lets roll the dice and if we get a 5 we ban Libya!

So you are saying 50,000 own people killed by guns carried by Americans is OK and makes no difference? Really?

Im saying what does one have to do with the other?

Weapons were important for protection in the stone age to make sure the human race survives. We evolved since and are more intelligent i would think. There's is no need whatsoever for a single weapon in this world. Not a single one!

Sadly this line of thinking is beyond ridiculous. All humans should just get along and hold hands! Well wouldnt that be nice

What terrorist attacks? You write it like they happen on a daily basis

The long list of them.

This is the typical hysterical comment that gets people wrongly enraged. Most of those attacks are committed by American citizens. 4000 is a highly exaggerated number as it includes that one event.

Since 9/11 on average 0.70 Americans / 30 days have been killed due to terrorist attacks. That is pretty equal to a 12- hour period in Chicago alone.

Or let's stick to your 4,000 --> that is 22.2 / 30 day period --> equivalent to a 10-day period in Chicago alone!

And how many innocent people have been killed by Americans when they went to war for no reason in the Middle Eastern countries? Or in Vietnam or Cambodia...list not complete?

Oh, i forgot...they were not American, so they don't count!

Again, whats the point you are trying to make here? Ban guns? Yeah ok good luck with that. Presidents cant just break the amendment when they feel like it. Even the hint of it from Obama caused a national uproar from congress, senators and the citizens. Im really not sure why you keep bringing this up. And great math, im sure the families of these lost would appreciate it. You should write them a letter and tell them..hey its only 4000 lives stop exaggerating! And 3000 of those lives were on one day!

They went to war in the middle east for no reason? Well thats news to all of us and quite incredible, Im sure the soldiers and the families that fought in afghanistan probably agree

Or are you meaning Iraq? The only persons fault was Husseins for bluffing america and threatening them. But wait it was for the oil! You know, the oil they left behind and didnt touch. So they went to war for the scenery I guess! :notworthy

No, not the balls...... the Obama administration had the wisdom that doing it would not be the solution. They saw that, Trump is not!

Yeah by doing nothing has really worked out well! Such wisdom!

 

[Webzcas]

Trump, his words and subsequent actions as POTUS is legitimising intolerance, bigotry and hatred. This is not an alternative fact, but is very real.

This morning's news coming out of Quebec City is further confirmation if any was needed, as to what a dangerous individual he is. History will judge him accordingly. I am very worried as to how the world is going to be shaped in the coming weeks, months and years.

I am not old enough to have experienced the Cuban Missile Crisis, or the realisation of the Hydrogen Bomb some ten years earlier. But the period we are all living through now, I really do fear could turn out to be just as bad or if not worse, thanks to this horrible abhorrent man who is CIC of the US.

 

[goatwack]

I think I'll leave my Trump views on ice......we've got the Meistermeet coming up and we can all heartily laugh about it there

Joking, if anyone says the trigger-word it'll be like this:



Gonna play it safe and stick to Religion.

No, wait.....

 

[lockinlove]

Gonna play it safe and stick to Religion.

No, wait.....

Jesus isnt real but unicorns are!

Lets debate on the existence of unicorns!

 

[goatwack]

Jesus isnt real but unicorns are!

Lets debate on the existence of unicorns!

Jesus is real goddammit you f****** **** ** ******!

There, I thought that was a good debate

 

[lockinlove]

Jesus is real goddammit you f****** **** ** ******!

There, I thought that was a good debate

Well you convinced me. I now believe in Jesus.

Debate over

 

[goatwack]

Well you convinced me. I now believe in Jesus.

Debate over

 

[slotplayer]

That was in answer to your post that America is not to blame for the havoc in the Middle East region and how Bin Laden is to blame as well as your timeline from CNN. The US supported Bin Laden when it served their purpose and then dropped him when he was no use to them anymore. Hence, to a good part they created the "terrorist" Bin Laden themselves.

You keep saying that, the USA used him and then dropped him. Oh the poor dear, used by the US. Maybe he should have gotten over it?

Unless it's biased the timeline does lie.

February 1998 -- Bin Laden and al-Zawahiri endorse a fatwa under the banner of the "International Islamic Front for Jihad on the Jews and Crusaders." This fatwa, published in the newspaper, Al-Quds Al-Arabi, on February 23, 1998, states that Muslims should kill Americans -- including civilians -- anywhere in the world.

 

[slotplayer]

The Mexicans training to get over the wall



That's the liberal idea of a wall.

 

[weesie]

I don't understand all the people being so upset over this TEMPORARY ban.

It was ordered years ago by Carter, Clinton and Obama too, when they were in office.

But when Trump tries to reinforce the law/option for a 3 month period, the whole

world gets their panties in a bunch.

And the celebrities? OMG, you can't even watch an awards show without them getting

on their high horse and spouting off their feelings. It is ridiculous.

My television/movie preference list is growing shorter and shorter as the time passes.

 

[ternur]

I don't understand all the people being so upset over this TEMPORARY ban.

It was ordered years ago by Carter, Clinton and Obama too, when they were in office.

But when Trump tries to reinforce the law/option for a 3 month period, the whole

world gets their panties in a bunch.

Of course rational people get upset, because Trump issued a blanket ban which legal basis is questionable. Obama for example addressed a specific threat and did not prevent all entries based on citizenship.

 

[lockinlove]

Of course rational people get upset, because Trump issued a blanket ban which legal basis is questionable. Obama for example addressed a specific threat and did not prevent all entries based on citizenship.

Rational? Lets not start taking digs at people because there is alot that can be said for the leftists.

This isnt the first time its been done and wont be the last. You're acting like because Obamas wasnt as widespread it makes it better or the other presidents that have done it. Its not, its the exact same thing Trump is doing just on a wider scale.

People are in such an uproar because its the twitter thing to do.

Look at these celebs like weesie said. Who the hell follows these people?

Madonna who said she thinks about burning down the white house

The absolutely outrageous speech by Ashley Judd? They are nut jobs. I didnt even know Judd was that crazy to be honest.

These people are protesting violence but yet are suggesting it themselves!

 

[vorcirion]

Rational? Lets not start taking digs at people because there is alot that can be said for the leftists.

This isnt the first time its been done and wont be the last. You're acting like because Obamas wasnt as widespread it makes it better or the other presidents that have done it. Its not, its the exact same thing Trump is doing just on a wider scale.

People are in such an uproar because its the twitter thing to do.

Look at these celebs like weesie said. Who the hell follows these people?

Madonna who said she thinks about burning down the white house

The absolutely outrageous speech by Ashley Judd? They are nut jobs. I didnt even know Judd was that crazy to be honest.

These people are protesting violence but yet are suggesting it themselves!

I thought Trump was one of those twitter celebrities And tons of people follow him even when he says crazy things! But yeah it's quite pointless to argue with Trump people. They just live in their own little reality bubble that's immune to facts. Always blaming the oh-so-evil media or whatever and then they quote some nutty fake news.

 

[Harry_BKK]

2. Because these are the countries where the attacks and terrorism come from as per dozens of intelligence agencies around the world. You seem like a huge supporter of Obama. So Obama was wrong when he made that list then? You make it sound like Trump sat in a chair and said ok lets roll the dice and if we get a 5 we ban Libya!

Im saying what does one have to do with the other?

Sadly this line of thinking is beyond ridiculous. All humans should just get along and hold hands! Well wouldnt that be nice

The long list of them.

Again, whats the point you are trying to make here? Ban guns? Yeah ok good luck with that. Presidents cant just break the amendment when they feel like it. Even the hint of it from Obama caused a national uproar from congress, senators and the citizens. Im really not sure why you keep bringing this up. And great math, im sure the families of these lost would appreciate it. You should write them a letter and tell them..hey its only 4000 lives stop exaggerating! And 3000 of those lives were on one day!

1. They went to war in the middle east for no reason? Well thats news to all of us and quite incredible, Im sure the soldiers and the families that fought in afghanistan probably agree

Or are you meaning Iraq? The only persons fault was Husseins for bluffing america and threatening them. But wait it was for the oil! You know, the oil they left behind and didnt touch. So they went to war for the scenery I guess! :notworthy

Yeah by doing nothing has really worked out well! Such wisdom!

1. Of course it was for no reason. They knew very well it will end in disaster for the whole region but had to show to the American people that they are doing something in response to 9/11. The worst is that they knew they will lose thousands of soldiers because the local fighters would draw them into guerilla like ambushes, yet they still sent them over. Did they care about the lives of their soldiers??

Have you heard once that France, Germany or Belgium are talking of marching into the countries where those "terrorists" from last year's attacks came from??? No, they solve it how civilized people are expected to, by using the laws that are in place, not arms and brute force.


2. From the well-known Cato Institute

In regards to the countries on the banned list:

"Foreigners from those seven nations have killed zero Americans in terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1975 and the end of 2015."

This is a hilarious part of their report where they go through the total 580 convictions related to terrorism since 9/11:

"First, 241 of the convictions (42 percent) were not for terrorism offenses. Senator Sessions puffed his numbers by including “terrorism-related convictions,” a nebulous category that includes investigations that begin due to a terrorism tip but then end in non-terrorism convictions. My favorite examples of this are the convictions of Nasser Abuali, Hussein Abuali, and Rabi Ahmed. An informant told the FBI that the trio tried to purchase a rocket-propelled grenade launcher, but the FBI found no evidence supporting the accusation. The three individuals were instead convicted of receiving two truckloads of stolen cereal. That is a crime but it is not terrorism."

Also:
"The annual chance of an American dying in a terrorist attack committed by a refugee is one in 3.6 billion."

Further:
- on average 9 people / year were killed on American soil since 9/11 by Muslim extremists
- on average 12,843 people / year are killed by guns


So ban people from other countries who do you no harm, but allow over 12,000 people to be killed by weapons in American hands every year as that does not warrant a ban or pose a thread to national security.

 

[Harry_BKK]

You keep saying that, the USA used him and then dropped him. Oh the poor dear, used by the US. Maybe he should have gotten over it?

Unless it's biased the timeline does lie.

February 1998 -- Bin Laden and al-Zawahiri endorse a fatwa under the banner of the "International Islamic Front for Jihad on the Jews and Crusaders." This fatwa, published in the newspaper, Al-Quds Al-Arabi, on February 23, 1998, states that Muslims should kill Americans -- including civilians -- anywhere in the world.

The fatwa was a result of the USA instating a military base and presence in Saudi-Arabia which is for Muslims something like "sacred" land. Again, the US knew very well that their presence there would not bode well with rather radical thinking or even moderate Muslims but still went ahead.

 

[slotplayer]

The fatwa was a result of the USA instating a military base and presence in Saudi-Arabia which is for Muslims something like "sacred" land. Again, the US knew very well that their presence there would not bode well with rather radical thinking or even moderate Muslims but still went ahead.

The Saudi's knew the impact even more than the US, yet they allowed it. Blame them.

TBH, I have a lot work to do so I have to be done with it.

 

[slotplayer]

I don't understand all the people being so upset over this TEMPORARY ban.

It was ordered years ago by Carter, Clinton and Obama too, when they were in office.

But when Trump tries to reinforce the law/option for a 3 month period, the whole

world gets their panties in a bunch.

And the celebrities? OMG, you can't even watch an awards show without them getting

on their high horse and spouting off their feelings. It is ridiculous.

My television/movie preference list is growing shorter and shorter as the time passes.

The reason is, the left now files everything under either Social or Economic Justice.

 

[Harry_BKK]

The Saudi's knew the impact even more than the US, yet they allowed it. Blame them.

TBH, I have a lot work to do so I have to be done with it.

Yes they did so because of Iraq. The US troops were supposed to stay for a few weeks or months but stayed 13 years!!!! Why do you think they had to leave in 2003?

Have to ask again - are you deliberately closing your eyes and ears? Do you deliberately leave parts of the reality out to suite your arguments?

 

[lockinlove]

I thought Trump was one of those twitter celebrities And tons of people follow him even when he says crazy things! But yeah it's quite pointless to argue with Trump people. They just live in their own little reality bubble that's immune to facts. Always blaming the oh-so-evil media or whatever and then they quote some nutty fake news.

And the leftists resort to violence and insults instead of being able to have actual conversation

 

[lockinlove]

1. Of course it was for no reason. They knew very well it will end in disaster for the whole region but had to show to the American people that they are doing something in response to 9/11. The worst is that they knew they will lose thousands of soldiers because the local fighters would draw them into guerilla like ambushes, yet they still sent them over. Did they care about the lives of their soldiers??

Have you heard once that France, Germany or Belgium are talking of marching into the countries where those "terrorists" from last year's attacks came from??? No, they solve it how civilized people are expected to, by using the laws that are in place, not arms and brute force.


2. From the well-known Cato Institute

In regards to the countries on the banned list:

"Foreigners from those seven nations have killed zero Americans in terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1975 and the end of 2015."

This is a hilarious part of their report where they go through the total 580 convictions related to terrorism since 9/11:

"First, 241 of the convictions (42 percent) were not for terrorism offenses. Senator Sessions puffed his numbers by including “terrorism-related convictions,” a nebulous category that includes investigations that begin due to a terrorism tip but then end in non-terrorism convictions. My favorite examples of this are the convictions of Nasser Abuali, Hussein Abuali, and Rabi Ahmed. An informant told the FBI that the trio tried to purchase a rocket-propelled grenade launcher, but the FBI found no evidence supporting the accusation. The three individuals were instead convicted of receiving two truckloads of stolen cereal. That is a crime but it is not terrorism."

Also:
"The annual chance of an American dying in a terrorist attack committed by a refugee is one in 3.6 billion."

Further:
- on average 9 people / year were killed on American soil since 9/11 by Muslim extremists
- on average 12,843 people / year are killed by guns


So ban people from other countries who do you no harm, but allow over 12,000 people to be killed by weapons in American hands every year as that does not warrant a ban or pose a thread to national security.

Well it doesnt matter because thats not even the reason for the ban. Its because these countries fund and support terrorism. So if you want to get right down to it, the amount of terrorist attacks they have funded, they are responsible for thousands of deaths.

So you are saying that the Obama administration is lying when they made this list?

As for the odds of this and that, there is no way they can actually predict that. Its actually quite ridiculous and misleading. 1 and 3.6 billion. Come on, even you dont believe that. When the FBI warns the government there was stolen passport machines and paper evidence of terrorists having plans to infiltrate the immigrants, then yeah those odds dont matter. Facts do.

And again, you go back to your gun argument. The 2nd amendment cannot just be changed. Its not how things work. And since you're so adamant about this, I would think you would actually be a Trump supporter since hes the only willing to send in "the feds" to get things under control in Chicago when Obama did not much of anything.

 

[sueyh]

Always blaming the oh-so-evil media or whatever and then they quote some nutty fake news.

I have to agree with you on this.

Trump supporters don't understand I don't like trump not because of the media, because the words coming out from Trump mouth himself, things he said on TV, things he wrote on Twitter...

I don't mind people support Trump, it's free world, but I really want them to stop insulting by saying I'm so stupid that I believe whatever the media say, I'm so stupid that I can't have my own opinion about someone.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Well it doesnt matter because thats not even the reason for the ban. Its because these countries fund and support terrorism. So if you want to get right down to it, the amount of terrorist attacks they have funded, they are responsible for thousands of deaths.

So you are saying that the Obama administration is lying when they made this list?

As for the odds of this and that, there is no way they can actually predict that. Its actually quite ridiculous and misleading. 1 and 3.6 billion. Come on, even you dont believe that. When the FBI warns the government there was stolen passport machines and paper evidence of terrorists having plans to infiltrate the immigrants, then yeah those odds dont matter. Facts do.

And again, you go back to your gun argument. The 2nd amendment cannot just be changed. Its not how things work. And since you're so adamant about this, I would think you would actually be a Trump supporter since hes the only willing to send in "the feds" to get things under control in Chicago when Obama did not much of anything.

The Obama administration called the list: "countries of concern" ....nothing more, nothing less. Do you realize you are changing your arguments around just to justify the ban!

Well, the statistics are not lying as they are based on factual numbers. So the odds are what it is, 1:3.6 billion. That is about 1000x less probable than being killed in an airplane crash!



"AMENDMENT" = minor change in a document

"2nd" = number two (2)

Got that?? It has been changed twice, so why can't there be a 3rd amendment? Because the arms lobby is too strong, they call all the time for more weapons and because Americans think they need weapons to defend themselves. That is so ridiculous, uncivilized and primitive. Every normal country has strict gun laws except the US.

 

[lockinlove]

The Obama administration called the list: "countries of concern" ....nothing more, nothing less. Do you realize you are changing your arguments around just to justify the ban!

Well, the statistics are not lying as they are based on factual numbers. So the odds are what it is, 1:3.6 billion. That is about 1000x less probable than being killed in an airplane crash!



"AMENDMENT" = minor change in a document

"2nd" = number two (2)

Got that?? It has been changed twice, so why can't there be a 3rd amendment? Because the arms lobby is too strong, they call all the time for more weapons and because Americans think they need weapons to defend themselves. That is so ridiculous, uncivilized and primitive. Every normal country has strict gun laws except the US.

How do I change it for my own benefit lol???

In 2015 The Obama administration provided the border patrols and immigration with written documents that gives them direct restrictions of citizens from those 7 countries. It was actually a US policy from the terrorist protection act. And the policy states, that people who have spent time in Iraq, Sudan, Syria etc are to be restricted and targeted. So no it wasnt just some nonchalant 'cause for concern'

Your response only proves you have no idea about USA and its values like you claim. If you did know anything from being here, you would know changing gun laws would cause the biggest uproar a country has ever seen.

So now lets get to this minor change in the document that you want to use as an example. Key word 'minor'. Changing an entire amendment about the right to bare arms is far from 'minor'

And beyond all of that, you need congress to pass it. Which they have publicly stated they are not in favor of and wouldnt even ponder the idea.

Lets talk about these odds....again. When the FBI found the evidence I mentioned, you seriously believe the odds are still 3.6 billion-1? Those numbers are skewed and completely and outrageously biased by leftists.

Now, Im going to play something not called bonanza!

I actually saw somewhere they made a Trump slot. Maybe Ill go play that LMAO ;p

 

[ternur]

Rational? Lets not start taking digs at people because there is alot that can be said for the leftists.

It was a general statement, nothing more. It can be argued that a rational person is able to see beyond the illogical reasoning of the EO in question. And no (before you start), this can be achieved without the influence CNN or other false media. But it does require weeding through the alternative facts of the office of the president.

For the record: I'm not "leftist".

This isnt the first time its been done and wont be the last. You're acting like because Obamas wasnt as widespread it makes it better or the other presidents that have done it. Its not, its the exact same thing Trump is doing just on a wider scale.

Either you did not read the EO or you did not understand it. It's not the same thing. It's fundamentally different.

People are in such an uproar because its the twitter thing to do.

Look at these celebs like weesie said. Who the hell follows these people?

Madonna who said she thinks about burning down the white house

The absolutely outrageous speech by Ashley Judd? They are nut jobs. I didnt even know Judd was that crazy to be honest.

These people are protesting violence but yet are suggesting it themselves!

Twitter and social media gave everyone with internet access a voice. It doesn't mean that they have something meaningful to say.

 

[lockinlove]

It was a general statement, nothing more. It can be argued that a rational person is able to see beyond the illogical reasoning of the EO in question. And no (before you start), this can be achieved without the influence CNN or other false media. But it does require weeding through the alternative facts of the office of the president.

For the record: I'm not "leftist".



Either you did not read the EO or you did not understand it. It's not the same thing. It's fundamentally different.



Twitter and social media gave everyone with internet access a voice. It doesn't mean that they have something meaningful to say.

Im not going to argue semantics or respond to comments such as I didnt read the EO or that I dont understand it because I could easily say the same to you.

Sadly, twitter and social media dont just give people a voice. It gives media propaganda. How many articles that are posted all over the news websites about what this person had to say on twitter about Trump is ridiculous.

Since when did the media stoop to such levels where they think they can pass on the opinion of some random person on twitter as fact or a news story. I find it rather pathetic that's where they go to try and garner support.

The latest mindblowing and breaking news article I read is how dare Ivanka Trump wear an expensive dress when there are refugees suffering, how its bad timing and what twitter had to say about it! And on the front page at that! So yes, while it can be achieved the never ending bias garbage being poured out daily is bound to sway more than just a few. We see that with some of the comments and responses right in here!

Ive spent way too much time in here! Appreciate the discussion and all but thats it for me. Back to slots and gambling chat. Many of our views are so far apart, its just going to go back and forth forever.

Have a wonderful day!

 

[vorcirion]

Im not going to argue semantics or respond to comments such as I didnt read the EO or that I dont understand it because I could easily say the same to you.

Sadly, twitter and social media dont just give people a voice. It gives media propaganda. How many articles that are posted all over the news websites about what this person had to say on twitter about Trump is ridiculous.

Since when did the media stoop to such levels where they think they can pass on the opinion of some random person on twitter as fact or a news story. I find it rather pathetic that's where they go to try and garner support.

The latest mindblowing and breaking news article I read is how dare Ivanka Trump wear an expensive dress when there are refugees suffering, how its bad timing and what twitter had to say about it! And on the front page at that! So yes, while it can be achieved the never ending bias garbage being poured out daily is bound to sway more than just a few. We see that with some of the comments and responses right in here!

Ive spent way too much time in here! Appreciate the discussion and all but thats it for me. Back to slots and gambling chat. Many of our views are so far apart, its just going to go back and forth forever.

Have a wonderful day!

This is what I'm telling you people. It's pointless to argue with Trump supporters. They are just blind to whatever Trump is doing. Trump is the biggest twitter abuser of all time probably. That's why it was funny when Melania said something about cyberbulling. All those personal attacks and constant lying by Trump...I mean come on!

 

[geordiecolin]

Any chance of a brief synopsis of the arguments so far put forward in this thread? :smilewink:

 

[slotplayer]

The fatwa was a result of the USA instating a military base and presence in Saudi-Arabia which is for Muslims something like "sacred" land. Again, the US knew very well that their presence there would not bode well with rather radical thinking or even moderate Muslims but still went ahead.

You know, in your obsession to defend Bin Laden's rationale for a fatwa you inadvertently provide a rationale for the Muslim ban.

 

[Harry_BKK]

You know, in your obsession to defend Bin Laden's rationale for a fatwa you inadvertently provide a rationale for the Muslim ban.

I will stop answering to your posts as it is useless and a waste of my precious time.

The US is the only country where one gets pinned to the floor, handcuffed and having all cavities searched and interrogated for 1 hour because one dared to tell the border officer that the EMPTY ZIPPO lighter he was carrying was important to him, because it was a present from his late father! That's how far the paranoia in your country has progressed!

How about you call all Americans, including the military personnel, back to the country, lock the doors and then throw the keys into the ocean! And before you do it, deport all "illegals" as then you won't have anyone packing your bags at Walmart, cleaning your streets, emptying your trash bins, serving you at McDonalds, cleaning your houses and all other jobs you don't like to do yourself. That way you have to get up yourself and get active, will surely lead to a healthier life.

Once you've done all that, you can happily shoot each other with those guns you treasure so much and nobody from the outside will be there that you can blame!

You don't welcome anyone to your country, so you are not welcome anywhere else either...stay at home and the world will be a much better and more peaceful planet!

EDIT: to add to your president's words: "buy American, hire American .... stay in America."

Sayonara!