Online Slotting is well and truly over in the UK…

Mr_Slot5

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It will be at that point when the UK gambling community and casual gamblers will be angry and will have no choice but to turn to rogue casinos and risk never being paid because they have to use a VPN and lie about where they live and which country they live in just to be able to gamble.
I don't even think a VPN is needed for some, they're just happy to accept UK players full stop.
 

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Said it before , its not beyond the realms of possibility where we end up with state owned casinos where they will have
a total monopoly and the ability to run slots at any crappy rtp value they want and donate the profits to "good causes "
ie things that the government should pay for but let the public do it instead then take the credit.
What really bugs me is why is online gambling suddenly considered as a such a bad thing, The treasury were happy to fleece
the public for years with FOBT,s only ending it when they really had to.
I have a decent sum invested in stocks and shares administered through wealth management companies,apart from
showing my driving license and them doing a few background checks , there was no RG or SOW bollocks whatsover,
I can gain or lose thousands on a day, no one bats a eyelid and if want to take money out, it just happens no problem
at any time.As far as I can see its just gambling on much larger scale but is considered respectable.
 

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I don't even think a VPN is needed for some, they're just happy to accept UK players full stop.

And why which casinos are actually allowing UK people to sign up with a UK address?

Because the majority of casinos that do not have a UKGC license Geo Restrict the website. So you just get a message saying this casinos is blocked in your location etc etc

So please do elaborate?
 

Mr_Slot5

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And why which casinos are actually allowing UK people to sign up with a UK address?
I've no idea, I've never looked into the issue. However, if a casino is aware there are UK players playing there then why would they be bothered as to whether their location is masked or not? The rogues literally answer to no-one?
 

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I've no idea, I've never looked into the issue. However, if a casino is aware there are UK players playing there then why would they be bothered as to whether their location is masked or not? The rogues literally answer to no-one?

Ok well I think you will find it basically impossible to even sign up to one of the rogue casinos anyway. I mean the only way I can think of is by using a VPN to be able to even get onto a Geo Restricted Casino, then if you have to sign up, you then need to have fake ID or know someone in another country that is allowed to play in that casino from that country and then ask that friend or family member if you can use their details etc etc. Or you just ask them to sign up for you to play at that casino.

But issues might still arise if that casino does not allow VPN usage...........

Rogue casinos are rogue for a reason and they will use any excuse to not pay too. VPN usage will probably be one of those reasons used to not pay out winnings etc etc.

But then wouldn't this then be classed as fraud too because you are using someone elses identity to login and play at a rogue casino?

So seriously like is it really worth the risks and risk of actually being sent to jail for it too? I do not think so.

I would never even dream of doing anything like that ever and no one ever should either.

The only casino that I can still play at is 3dice that no longer as a UKGC license, but I actually have not played their for about 8 months again. I take very long breaks from playing at 3dice because it just gets boring. They have the same slots and they only release a new slot about once every year so it is just boring. Plus it is now impossible to deposit and withdraw in a timely manner. All we have is flexepin or brokering with other players in the casino via paypal etc etc. Which can be painful and also comes with its own risks too. And the fees too are not very nice.

I mean yes they also allow crypto deposits too but I will never ever use crypto anyway which is entirely my own choice!

So all I can do at the moment is either decide enough is enough and stop gambling which I do not want to do or just play it out and see what comes next and what the next changes will be. But obviously if they make even more changes and we then see pretty much all casinos pull out of the UK market then it will be the end of the road for me and other gamblers. Maybe I will just have no choice but to be stuck playing only at 3dice :( Which will suck. I for sure will never ever go back to playing at the local arcades as they are shite and capped and the RTP is disgusting.
 
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Kroffe

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Is there anything stopping casinos from just accepting UK players even if they dont have a license?
Alot of sites geo block swedish players because they dont have a license, but there are also alot of sites i can play at that does not do that.
So i dont need to use a vpn or do anything shady to play outside of Swedish regulations.
 

Mr_Slot5

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Ok well I think you will find it basically impossible to even sign up to one of the rogue casinos anyway. I mean the only way I can think of is by using a VPN to be able to even get onto a Geo Restricted Casino, then if you have to sign up, you then need to have fake ID or know someone in another country that is allowed to play in that casino from that country and then ask that friend or family member if you can use their details etc etc. Or you just ask them to sign up for you to play at that casino.

But issues might still arise if that casino does not allow VPN usage...........

Rogue casinos are rogue for a reason and they will use any excuse to not pay too. VPN usage will probably be one of those reasons used to not pay out winnings etc etc.

But then wouldn't this then be classed as fraud too because you are using someone elses identity to login and play at a rogue casino?

So seriously like is it really worth the risks and risk of actually being sent to jail for it too? I do not think so.

I would never even dream of doing anything like that ever and no one ever should either.

The only casino that I can still play at is 3dice that no longer as a UKGC license, but I actually have not played their for about 8 months again. I take very long breaks from playing at 3dice because it just gets boring. They have the same slots and they only release a new slot about once every year so it is just boring. Plus it is now impossible to deposit and withdraw in a timely manner. All we have is flexepin or brokering with other players in the casino via paypal etc etc. Which can be painful and also comes with its own risks too. And the fees too are not very nice.

I mean yes they also allow crypto deposits too but I will never ever use crypto anyway which is entirely my own choice!

So all I can do at the moment is either decide enough and stop gambling which I do not want to do or just play it out and see what comes next and what the next changes will be. But obviously if they make even more changes and we then see pretty much all casinos pull out of the UK market then it will be the end of the road for me and other gamblers. Maybe I will just have no choice but to be stuck playing only at 3dice :( Which will suck. I for sure will never ever go back to playing at the local arcades as they are shite and capped and the RTP is disgusting.
Like I say I've no idea...but I'd be very surprised if people who are playing offshore are using fake names etc.

There was a video linked on here where one of the guys used his name and a random American address to sign up and was accepted on sign up to a crypto casino even though the location he used to sign up was restricted. So I really don't think these casinos care to be honest? Of course they can then ask you to verify at a later time and you'd likely run into issues as you say...You're completely unprotected once out of your licensing jurisdiction.
 

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Is there anything stopping casinos from just accepting UK players even if they dont have a license?
Alot of sites geo block swedish players because they dont have a license, but there are also alot of sites i can play at that does not do that.
So i dont need to use a vpn or do anything shady to play outside of Swedish regulations.
That's the point I'm making...some casinos simply will not care.
 

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That's the point I'm making...some casinos simply will not care.
Unless they plan on getting a Swedish or UK license in the future, i dont see why they would.
95% of my deposits still go to casinos with a Swedish license, i just hop outside regulations every once in a while if i get a nice bonus offer since i enjoy playing with a bonus and cant do that here anymore (bonuses are banned here)
 

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@Kroffe

Well this is the thing. Casinos could easily allow UK players to sign up. I am sure of it?

Maybe they do not currently allow new sign ups because they know they risk being fined and taken to court if found out etc etc.

3dice however just allow existing UK players who had an account to still play their. Like what they did with the USA market. They just allowed you to still be allowed to play after the fact.

I mean I actually do kinda miss the good old wild west times. But I do not miss playing at rogue casinos that you run into issues with and need to get help in even getting your money because they delay delay delay with excuse after excuse etc etc. I wished we got that back to an extend but not the latter obviously.
 

Mr_Slot5

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@Kroffe

Well this is the thing. Casinos could easily allow UK players to sign up. I am sure of it?

Maybe they do not currently allow new sign ups because they know they risk being fined and taken to court if found out etc etc.

3dice however just allow existing UK players who had an account to still play their. Like what they did with the USA market. They just allowed you to still be allowed to play after the fact.

I mean I actually do kinda miss the good old wild west times. But I do not miss playing at rogue casinos that you run into issues with and need to get help in even getting your money because they delay delay delay with excuse after excuse etc etc. I wished we got that back to an extend but not the latter obviously.
There was a guy on the forum (can't remember who) who said just last week that he'd found a decent unlicensed casino that would take him. Said he had slam spins and autoplay back etc.

Wouldn't ever consider doing it myself as there are potentially more issues with it in the long run...but this serves to highlight the effect the UKGC are starting to have on players with the route they're taking.
 

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So a question for anyone in the know? Is it classed as fraud if you ask a friend or family member to sign up to a casino if they are in Malta for example? And you just then use a Malta server VPN to login and play with your friend or family members account? I would really love to know?

I know that streamers actually do this already and they even also share accounts and allow multiple people to play on that account etc etc. So again streamers are being again irresponsible...........
 

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So a question for anyone in the know? Is it classed as fraud if you ask a friend or family member to sign up to a casino if they are in Malta for example? And you just then use a Malta server VPN to login and play with your friend or family members account? I would really love to know?

I know that streamers actually do this already and they even also share accounts and allow multiple people to play on that account etc etc. So again streamers are being again irresponsible...........
Just do a google search for non-gamstop casinos.
Any of those listed will happily accept UK players, or anyone else for that matter.
No need for a VPN.
It's only the 'respectable' Curacoa sites and also those with an MGA license who geo-block
 

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I noticed I have some of these UKGC rules over here now. Certain providers at Bwin don't have autoplay anymore and take a long ass time to spin. Yggdrasil has both, PnG only the long spintime for example.
 

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So a question for anyone in the know? Is it classed as fraud if you ask a friend or family member to sign up to a casino if they are in Malta for example? And you just then use a Malta server VPN to login and play with your friend or family members account? I would really love to know?

I know that streamers actually do this already and they even also share accounts and allow multiple people to play on that account etc etc. So again streamers are being again irresponsible...........

I think it is classed as fraud unless your friend or family member would ask the casino if they can play with a VPN and the request is granted.

All these streamers have a company setup in Malta and most likely have deals with casino's to be able to play with a VPN if they're not "at the office". Multiple people playing on 1 account is probably a perk too if you bring in lots of new customers... or perhaps they claim they're a household :p
 

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Holding a UKGC license isn't some universal badge of excellence that other jurisdictions must aspire to. Many a UK casino has fallen foul of player protection and given players the brush-off when it suited them.

Barring the 'obvious' hot potatoes like Curaçao, surely other licensees must uphold some level of professionalism. What's so nefarious about a Belgian or Gibraltarian casino that accepts UK players, I'd like to know. Comparative to the UK one, which meddles in your play, isn't directly accountable or even in acknowledgement of player issues, and treats its user base as potential money launderers and children simultaneously...

Of course those choosing 'lesser- known' outfits will have no recourse for when things go tits up, nor am I particularly enamoured with those that look to ensnare Gamstop devotees. But what's so 'great' about the UK Gambling Commission that people have to insta- fawn over?
 

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Just do a google search for non-gamstop casinos.
Any of those listed will happily accept UK players, or anyone else for that matter.
No need for a VPN.
It's only the 'respectable' Curacoa sites and also those with an MGA license who geo-block

WOW - So I just saw Rolletto allows you to sign up and is not Geo Restricted. It also never asked for my address. Just name and phone number. What is odd though is the +44 was already listed and was accepted in the phone number code.

I mean would I ever play here? Would they even allow me to continue if they do eventually ask me to verify my address etc etc? If they found out I am in the UK?

I mean if I can then maybe I might just actually use them to circumvent the blocks and be able to play slots without restrictions and able to do bonus buys etc etc and also autoplay and fast spins and all that jazz. But seriously I saw that casinodaddy play here too. So maybe they are trustworthy to an extent even though they have a Curacao license? I just always avoid any casino with a Curacao license apart from 3dice.
 

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Why do you think that?
Its not like the rules are the same in different countries now, so why would that rule be any different?
Because we are living in a quickly changing world. With the exception Maybe of the 3 big world players who are not at COP 26 they all are looking to a global currency.
Digital ID will be linked to our bank accounts which will control what you spend your cash on. In the mean time they introduce various changes to our lives slowly so we are more willing to except them.
 

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WOW - So I just saw Rolletto allows you to sign up and is not Geo Restricted. It also never asked for my address. Just name and phone number. What is odd though is the +44 was already listed and was accepted in the phone number code.

Not good, they accept VISA and MasterCard - that's a red flag with offshore.

It's worthwhile restating the following general 'rules', which I mentioned elsewhere on here previously:

'Good' Curacao - Crypto only, no cards, don't target UK or GamStop players, DO geo-block, but DON'T care about VPN use, only a name and email needed, payouts almost instant :thumbsup:

'Bad' Curacao
- VISA/MC, listed on non-GamStop sites and target UK players, probably using pirated software, don't geo-block, never pay out. e,g. Tall Mountain, Alpha Interactive, Gametech sites :machinegunner:
 

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Well turns out I am not using a VPN at Rolletto but I just tried opening some slots and I get messages saying sorry you can not play in your location error message.

So now I will need to ask live chat again if I can use a VPN lol

EDIT: this is what they said.......

" Support Agent 20:27
It is player's sole responsibility for using such applications. We don't limit users if they are using VPN "

So it appears they allow us to use a VPN here :)

But I think I will have the same issues when trying to use my neteller or skrill account to deposit and withdraw with because of the geo restrictions. You can now only deposit and withdraw with those methods in the UK on the casinos with UKGC licenses. All other casinos that do not have one you can not deposit or withdraw. So it will mean I will have to find other methods if I even did choose to deposit and play here.

It just seems too much hassle to be honest with ya. I will never use crypto either ever.

Can I also say this. I only did this as a TEST. To see how easy it actually is etc etc. So at least now I know. Will I decide to play here though is an entirely different question I have not answered to myself yet. I do not need to at the moment anyway as I can deal with the changes the UKGC have made anyway so it is not a big deal. But ask me this once the UKGC make even more changes and the casinos start to leave the UK market. Then I will answer it lol.
 
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Then it's unlikely that any forays outside UKGC regulation will be successful. :thumbsup:
Is that true these days? For about 6 months before I signed up to CM I spent time signing up to any new casino to me that gave a sign up free bonus.There where many dozens from across the pond and around the world that I signed up with and I managed to get cash outs from all but 1 of them after getting lucky.
Some made me jump through hoops to get my payout.
What has changed so far?
 

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Is that true these days? For about 6 months before I signed up to CM I spent time signing up to any new casino to me that gave a sign up free bonus.There where many dozens from across the pond and around the world that I signed up with and I managed to get cash outs from all but 1 of them after getting lucky.
Some made me jump through hoops to get my payout.
What has changed so far?
Why must you always ask questions? Can't you just be happy?
 

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So a question for anyone in the know? Is it classed as fraud if you ask a friend or family member to sign up to a casino if they are in Malta for example? And you just then use a Malta server VPN to login and play with your friend or family members account? I would really love to know?

I know that streamers actually do this already and they even also share accounts and allow multiple people to play on that account etc etc. So again streamers are being again irresponsible...........
 
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