I used to play at Casino-On-Net & whenever I did a reversal, sure enough, lost what was there. Then would deposit more to try to recoup. Never do reversals anymore. Have been trying to get Aspinalls to waive their 24 hr "hold" but so far they won't. I just wait until I get the credit & in the meantime play at another casino.
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I have the biggest reversal dumbass attack of anyone!!! about 2-3 years ago I played at Casino-On-Net I won $6000 in one day, cashed in and waited for the cash-in to come in, which it did(Which took almost 2 weeks)!! After that win, I had left $500 in the account, which I soon turned into another $5K, Which I cashed out the whole amount. About a week later, they sent me a $25 bonus, and I will be dammed if after staying up for 1 night straight I accumulated a win of over $8,000(I know, something had to be wrong somewhere). I cashed in the $8K and left $500 in the account. I went to work the next day, rushed back home and played with $500 that I had left in the account, which soon became $3500, by this time my head was spinning because I couldn't believe that I had won all that from a measly $25 and I was feeling invinceable. Then it happened, I had the biggest dumbass attack of my life, I lost the $3500 that was in the account, trying to be greedy and get it all back, I spent the whole lot of the $13,000 that I had won!!!! Talk about a hard pill to swallow!! That money would have gotten me out of debt and I could have had some nice stuff. To this day, thinking about that makes my stomach turn, I had such a golden opportunity and I blew it big time!!! I would have had a total win of over $20k(if you count the $6k I had previously won). So, for Gods sake, if you win at a casino, don't reverse, they know that the time period while you are waiting for your money to come through that its just sitting there, tempting you. I have learned my lesson, and being patient is what its all about.
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have been paid from they?
i've try to write but they not respond..
i've try to write but they not respond..
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Good luck trying to get anyone on the phone at firepay, or even a phone number for that matter!
Stick with neteller, they are much more reliable and trustworthy. I closed my firepay account months ago.
Stick with neteller, they are much more reliable and trustworthy. I closed my firepay account months ago.
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I couldn't agree more JPM. For security and ease of transaction, Neteller is in a league of their own. Have a good one.
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:axeman2: I was on play4keeps and voted for them and spent allday yesterday trying to get my 10 $ for voting for them and they still refuse it Theree is always acomplication Then I asked them how could I vote them best online and most honest when they wouldnt take my word or give me even 10 $ to try out their site I have better things to do and am now leaving both play4keeps and brandy and gambling.com behind I would rather play SLINGO
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Wow! Look at what he posted at P4K's board:
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First of all let me say I'm sorry for not responding sooner. I was out of the office sick for the last 2 days. now let me get to this new rumor by his honor CasinoMiester. before I start this I would like to say Sir Bryan Bailey should learn the meaning of slanderous and liable before he opens his mouth about me or my casino. now as far a Largo & the rest of the wager 21 casinos are concerned. Wager 21 is a software vender and the casinos listed in his post are casinos who use Wager 21 software. like I stated in several other posts a while ago. Largo is not in any way part of the other casinos that use wager 21 software. now Whatever happens between Wager 21 and IGT doesnt effect the players of Largo in any way, shape, or form. We dont feel we have violated any INTERNATIONAL Copy Write laws, if IGT does I am sure they will contact Wager 21. If they take legal action against Wager 21 it will take years to prove. this is something that Brian failed to tell everyone in his nice post. Legal action like Copy Write Violation is not a fast track court case. IGT is not going to shut us down as Casinomeister warns. If my research is correct Brian made these same threats about the other wager 21 casinos a while ago and nothing came of his so called "correct information". IGT never contacted Wager 21 or any of the casinos about thier so called violations of copy right laws.
Bryan Bailey spoke about Copy Write laws in Las Vegas this past week and Wager 21 was his prime example. This is just more of Casinomeisters (Bryan Bailey) crusade against anyone who doesnt pay to advertise on his site , I believe that is called Extortion. Even after Brian brought problems to the other Wager 21 casinos. they resolved them and he felt the need to keep them on the rouge list. In my personal opinion I think he is full of SHI* and brian and his site is nothing but a Joke.
If you ask anyone who has deposited at Largo and requested a payout that met all the requirements. They will tell you they were paid in full. I may have been late on a couple due to the amount of trouble I had in the first 10 days online. Those who recieved late payments were credited some type of special bonus for the delay. If anyone can come up with a "REAL" reason why I should be placed on a Rouge list I would like to hear it. Buying software last time I checked didn't make a casino "Rouge". now I'm really getting tired of all the BS rumors. this will be my last post to any more non-legit complaints on any board. If you would like me to address a problem or a situation feel free to contact me via live chat or send me an email.
For the rest of you who like to run their mouths hint hint HiLowHello. I'm problably going to get yelled at for this post or it will be edited. but I had enough. Fuc$ YOU. when you have some thing worth while and legit post it. until then keep your bullshit remarks to yourself. you also need to learn what slanderous and liable means. you bitch like a little kid when you take away something they want.
Regards,
Chris
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First of all let me say I'm sorry for not responding sooner. I was out of the office sick for the last 2 days. now let me get to this new rumor by his honor CasinoMiester. before I start this I would like to say Sir Bryan Bailey should learn the meaning of slanderous and liable before he opens his mouth about me or my casino. now as far a Largo & the rest of the wager 21 casinos are concerned. Wager 21 is a software vender and the casinos listed in his post are casinos who use Wager 21 software. like I stated in several other posts a while ago. Largo is not in any way part of the other casinos that use wager 21 software. now Whatever happens between Wager 21 and IGT doesnt effect the players of Largo in any way, shape, or form. We dont feel we have violated any INTERNATIONAL Copy Write laws, if IGT does I am sure they will contact Wager 21. If they take legal action against Wager 21 it will take years to prove. this is something that Brian failed to tell everyone in his nice post. Legal action like Copy Write Violation is not a fast track court case. IGT is not going to shut us down as Casinomeister warns. If my research is correct Brian made these same threats about the other wager 21 casinos a while ago and nothing came of his so called "correct information". IGT never contacted Wager 21 or any of the casinos about thier so called violations of copy right laws.
Bryan Bailey spoke about Copy Write laws in Las Vegas this past week and Wager 21 was his prime example. This is just more of Casinomeisters (Bryan Bailey) crusade against anyone who doesnt pay to advertise on his site , I believe that is called Extortion. Even after Brian brought problems to the other Wager 21 casinos. they resolved them and he felt the need to keep them on the rouge list. In my personal opinion I think he is full of SHI* and brian and his site is nothing but a Joke.
If you ask anyone who has deposited at Largo and requested a payout that met all the requirements. They will tell you they were paid in full. I may have been late on a couple due to the amount of trouble I had in the first 10 days online. Those who recieved late payments were credited some type of special bonus for the delay. If anyone can come up with a "REAL" reason why I should be placed on a Rouge list I would like to hear it. Buying software last time I checked didn't make a casino "Rouge". now I'm really getting tired of all the BS rumors. this will be my last post to any more non-legit complaints on any board. If you would like me to address a problem or a situation feel free to contact me via live chat or send me an email.
For the rest of you who like to run their mouths hint hint HiLowHello. I'm problably going to get yelled at for this post or it will be edited. but I had enough. Fuc$ YOU. when you have some thing worth while and legit post it. until then keep your bullshit remarks to yourself. you also need to learn what slanderous and liable means. you bitch like a little kid when you take away something they want.
Regards,
Chris
Edited by: LargoCasino at: 9/21/03 5:18 pm
2brnot2b,
Wow charming display of casino management at it finest.
You have got to be joking, who in their right mind would actually post something like this?
A crazy man.
I can't believe that a casino manager, less a casino owner would actually stoop to using such vulgarities in his public comments, I'm flabbergasted
Can't wait to see CM's response to this!
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Wow charming display of casino management at it finest.
You have got to be joking, who in their right mind would actually post something like this?
A crazy man.
I can't believe that a casino manager, less a casino owner would actually stoop to using such vulgarities in his public comments, I'm flabbergasted
Can't wait to see CM's response to this!
(Message edited by glodge on September 22, 2003)
Thought I'd post this here just in case it got deleted over at P4K, which is on the cards.
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LargoCasino,
This is by far, if not the worst display I have ever had the misfortune of being witness to, in retorts by a casino manager, ever!
Your use of filthy language only demonstrates your lack of education & ability to use correct English, while in attempt to preserve your integrity; now is a real joke, which by your display has sunk to the depths of depravity.
For those that were uncertain of which way the the proverbial stick bent, I'm sure you have impressed these people to no end, with your sartorial display of linguistics, transposing to your management qualities.
Yes just the type of performance people would expect from an online casino manager
By this outburst; so childish & immature, you have done more damage to yourself & Largo Casino than could ever be humanly possible for anyone to do, including Casino Meister.
Way to go Chris
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LargoCasino,
This is by far, if not the worst display I have ever had the misfortune of being witness to, in retorts by a casino manager, ever!
Your use of filthy language only demonstrates your lack of education & ability to use correct English, while in attempt to preserve your integrity; now is a real joke, which by your display has sunk to the depths of depravity.
For those that were uncertain of which way the the proverbial stick bent, I'm sure you have impressed these people to no end, with your sartorial display of linguistics, transposing to your management qualities.
Yes just the type of performance people would expect from an online casino manager
By this outburst; so childish & immature, you have done more damage to yourself & Largo Casino than could ever be humanly possible for anyone to do, including Casino Meister.
Way to go Chris
I did just write that the thread was deleted, I sure couldn't find it. However it is now back on display.
http://pub118.ezboard.com/fplaying4keepsfrm1.showMessageRange?topicID=7738.topic&start=101&stop=108
Here is the URL just in case.
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http://pub118.ezboard.com/fplaying4keepsfrm1.showMessageRange?topicID=7738.topic&start=101&stop=108
Here is the URL just in case.
(Message edited by glodge on September 22, 2003)
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This guy is obviously a complete moron, he should learn how to spell what he's accusing people of before he goes shooting off his uneducated mouth. Liable is what you are if you are found guilty of LIBEL, which is what he's accusing Bryan of doing (which really isn't the case anyway). Combine that with at least 4 other words that he repeatedly screwes up, like 'copy write' (its COPYRIGHT, as in the RIGHT to COPY dickhead!) and the total lack of punctuation and grammar rules, and you have the poster child for stupidity. I'm surprised he's even able to operate a computer, let alone a business (obviously he's having a little trouble in that last part).
I wouldn't go near any casino that has ANYTHING to do with this clown. If anyone does, they are fools. (If anyone wants to copy this over to the forum he's ranting in, be my guest!)
I wouldn't go near any casino that has ANYTHING to do with this clown. If anyone does, they are fools. (If anyone wants to copy this over to the forum he's ranting in, be my guest!)
No wonder these casino's are able to survive IMHO, when they have forums like P4K looking out for them.
Looks like HiLowHello will get banned for his last post, to this one.
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HiLowHello,
Back off!! Chris from Largo didn't harm his reputation in the least. You have made your point and are now nothing but redundant. You are now crossing a line with the insults that have no place on this forum >,-----take them to a radio station if you need to beat this into the ground any further. I'll warn you though, you'll hear much worse language from your Miester than you will ever hear here.
You were actually credible for a while there today and I respected what you had to say......until.....you just couldn't stop and resorted to verbal assaults on my members and the casino that is here and had been as patient as humanly possible. In fact I was on my way over to make a deposit this morning and after reading the posts changed my mind. I am having serious second thoughts to the validity of your statements at this point. You level of maturity is the one the sunk well below the poverty line with your most recent posts.
If you had been pushing my buttons like you were Largo's and If I only Cashed Out I would have told you to Fuc@ Off too. Now you can say I've lost all credibilty etc. I use the word probably 50 times a day....so what who gives a Fuc@ besides you.
Back off...you have gone way to far at this point.
Looks like HiLowHello will get banned for his last post, to this one.
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HiLowHello,
Back off!! Chris from Largo didn't harm his reputation in the least. You have made your point and are now nothing but redundant. You are now crossing a line with the insults that have no place on this forum >,-----take them to a radio station if you need to beat this into the ground any further. I'll warn you though, you'll hear much worse language from your Miester than you will ever hear here.
You were actually credible for a while there today and I respected what you had to say......until.....you just couldn't stop and resorted to verbal assaults on my members and the casino that is here and had been as patient as humanly possible. In fact I was on my way over to make a deposit this morning and after reading the posts changed my mind. I am having serious second thoughts to the validity of your statements at this point. You level of maturity is the one the sunk well below the poverty line with your most recent posts.
If you had been pushing my buttons like you were Largo's and If I only Cashed Out I would have told you to Fuc@ Off too. Now you can say I've lost all credibilty etc. I use the word probably 50 times a day....so what who gives a Fuc@ besides you.
Back off...you have gone way to far at this point.
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LOL 2Brnot2B! The word's spreading fast about this guy, but one forum defends him even after his posts, that it was "justifiable".
Would this be due that they're so desperate for sponsors they don't care who they get?
"Copy write" LMAO!!
Would this be due that they're so desperate for sponsors they don't care who they get?
"Copy write" LMAO!!
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Most likely, other than just good old stupidity. But we're also talking of the same ones who backed up Cirrus casino when they claimed they weren't part of Virtual/ Prism, show them all the proof in the world, and they still don't get it.
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Oops! At Neteller somebody made a BOOBOO. About 40000 transactions have been withdrawn twice. In my case 6 transactions has been duplicated from my bank account. The correction has been made from Monday Sept 22th,... It is showed up in my bank account from Friday night,...
The only problem, my bank has charged overdraft fee, because I did not planned these extra 6 transactions,... ( 30$)
The only problem, my bank has charged overdraft fee, because I did not planned these extra 6 transactions,... ( 30$)
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Apparently, this manager has dug his own cyber grave. His "f*ck you and your forum" went over well, and his pompous display of what he understood from my "warning" is laughable.
What I stated was that the legal process is in motion. This was from the VP of IGT. This is not about copyright, but about trademark violations.
Here are a few of the gross offenders; screenshots of Wager21's Haywire, Wheel of Fortune, and Texas Tea.
If you've never been in a landbased casino and are unfamiliar with these slots, you can visit IGT's website and get the rundown on some of these games, to include images of their logos etc.
Now, for this casino operator to state that there is nothing wrong with ripping off IGT, this should be a red flag waving in your face that they have no scruples. How do you think they will treat their affiliates and players if they disregard other peoples creative property? Probably "f-u and the horse you rode in on" is my guess.
Furthermore, I couldn't give a flying rats ass if they are paying all their players; this is a misconception on where problems lie, and they are using this as a decoy. It's not the money, it's the actions. But then again, this manager verbalized enough potty language to make my point clear.
And I would not bet on this taking months of court actions. These guys will probably be served papers and try to ignore them. If they accept whatever IGT throws at them, you might see a change in their games (the smart move) or their websites might just disappear (the bad - but expected move). And this is what I was concerned with. And this is why I made the warning.
What I stated was that the legal process is in motion. This was from the VP of IGT. This is not about copyright, but about trademark violations.
Here are a few of the gross offenders; screenshots of Wager21's Haywire, Wheel of Fortune, and Texas Tea.
If you've never been in a landbased casino and are unfamiliar with these slots, you can visit IGT's website and get the rundown on some of these games, to include images of their logos etc.
Now, for this casino operator to state that there is nothing wrong with ripping off IGT, this should be a red flag waving in your face that they have no scruples. How do you think they will treat their affiliates and players if they disregard other peoples creative property? Probably "f-u and the horse you rode in on" is my guess.
Furthermore, I couldn't give a flying rats ass if they are paying all their players; this is a misconception on where problems lie, and they are using this as a decoy. It's not the money, it's the actions. But then again, this manager verbalized enough potty language to make my point clear.
And I would not bet on this taking months of court actions. These guys will probably be served papers and try to ignore them. If they accept whatever IGT throws at them, you might see a change in their games (the smart move) or their websites might just disappear (the bad - but expected move). And this is what I was concerned with. And this is why I made the warning.
"Wager 21 is a software vender and the casinos listed in his post are casinos who use Wager 21 software. like I stated in several other posts a while ago. Largo is not in any way part of the other casinos that use wager 21 software. now Whatever happens between Wager 21 and IGT doesnt effect the players of Largo in any way, shape, or form."
Well....that remains to be seen!
This must be the corporate line because it was used by *Robert Hamilton* of this group of casinos in an earlier event.
And there are several items of information which reliably link these Largo-Goldbetting-LadyDream-EZTP-DirectnetPay-Wager 21 duds together (apart from the standardised form of their lies and excuses)
IGT's lawyers will undoubtedly have discovered those links, too so I imagine that the uncouth Mr. Anderson and his colleagues (if there are any among the several aliases being used) could be in for a very rude awakening.
I have the feeling that despite the attack on him the CM is about to have the last laugh in this.
Well....that remains to be seen!
This must be the corporate line because it was used by *Robert Hamilton* of this group of casinos in an earlier event.
And there are several items of information which reliably link these Largo-Goldbetting-LadyDream-EZTP-DirectnetPay-Wager 21 duds together (apart from the standardised form of their lies and excuses)
IGT's lawyers will undoubtedly have discovered those links, too so I imagine that the uncouth Mr. Anderson and his colleagues (if there are any among the several aliases being used) could be in for a very rude awakening.
I have the feeling that despite the attack on him the CM is about to have the last laugh in this.
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Its Monday, 6:12AM, and I sent many emails to Trudy. She has not responded to not even one of them. My bank account sits at -$122, and I am wondering when I am getting the credits.
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regards,
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Well If people are warned and don't listen then that will be their problem later on..
Its not just the rip off of someone's games ,it's also machines that don't pay and rude management..
How much prove does everyone need..The proof is in the pudding and we all have been gave that proof by numerous players..
Its not just the rip off of someone's games ,it's also machines that don't pay and rude management..
How much prove does everyone need..The proof is in the pudding and we all have been gave that proof by numerous players..
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Ceqep, is this information relative to the 40,000 transactions first hand information from Neteller, or is it information that has been passed on from person to person? Have a good one.
Cipher
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The exactly same thing happened to me.
They charged me $300 twice although I only need $300 transferred. They sent an email expalining what's going on and promised me I'll have my money back on Sept 22.
Nothing happened so far. :flamemad:
I hope they can clear the mess up as soon as possible.
They charged me $300 twice although I only need $300 transferred. They sent an email expalining what's going on and promised me I'll have my money back on Sept 22.
Nothing happened so far. :flamemad:
I hope they can clear the mess up as soon as possible.
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This information was given by a customer service representative on last Wednesday night Sept 17th. They called me right after I used the online service on their site.
Six transactions was processed first on Sept 16th and,... again!!! the day after.
Psst! their site is down now
Six transactions was processed first on Sept 16th and,... again!!! the day after.
Psst! their site is down now
cipher
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Ceqep, thanks for the updated information. Have a good one.
Cipher
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omggggg im panicking i have money in my neteller. could this just be because everyone is tring to get ahold of them right now? oh please im panicking if anyone know something please let me(us) know. i am not missing any money out of my bank account and u just checked my neteller an hr ago and my money was there. maybe they are trying to fix the glitch?
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i just spoke with rhia at neteller she assured me that all accounts have been taken care of or under review however some need to be done manually.if an nsf accurred due to this error it will be taken care of. as for the site being down the phone nuber is working as im talking to them as im writing this lol
the sever is down --- there is no estimated time its the interner server other sites using this server are also down ----------- so no worries.
the sever is down --- there is no estimated time its the interner server other sites using this server are also down ----------- so no worries.
Mr. Shack has now examined the tests TG did on the data and, finding no flaw in the manner in which they were carried out, is left saying that if there IS a fault it was in the recording process, and why the heck won't TG just say "it's rigged!!!"?
LOL.
"Heck, baby, it MUST be wrong! It MUST, it MUST, it MUST, it MUST, please God..." (tears hair out and collapses into armchair, sobbing fitfully)
LOL.
"Heck, baby, it MUST be wrong! It MUST, it MUST, it MUST, it MUST, please God..." (tears hair out and collapses into armchair, sobbing fitfully)
I think that's a good question, because perhaps only in a court of law can the experts on both sides present ALL of the information and argue this issue to a truthful conclusion away from premature assumptions. Therefore if TG is as convinced as Caruso clearly is that Microgaming and the others are rigged he should say so and be prepared to defend it.
Mike Shackleton is taking a responsible line on this imo and does not deserve ridicule. His final paragraph is relevant, as is his observation that mistakes were found in the first release:
"Using the U.S. standard of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt my verdict is not guilty. So I will personally continue to advertise and play at Microgaming casinos. I am also awaiting any Microgaming response and will be happy to give it equal coverage if and when it is available. In all fairness I should disclose that I have a friendly relationship with all four software brands identified in the report, which one might argue causes a conflict of interest."
Mike Shackleton is taking a responsible line on this imo and does not deserve ridicule. His final paragraph is relevant, as is his observation that mistakes were found in the first release:
"Using the U.S. standard of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt my verdict is not guilty. So I will personally continue to advertise and play at Microgaming casinos. I am also awaiting any Microgaming response and will be happy to give it equal coverage if and when it is available. In all fairness I should disclose that I have a friendly relationship with all four software brands identified in the report, which one might argue causes a conflict of interest."
Jetset, I'm sure you appreciate the importance of guarded wording in a potentially litigious situation.
TG will not be drawn to use the "r" word, no more than he will be drawn to alter in any way the disclaimer to which MS takes such exception. That he won't make, or alter, statements that put him in a compromising legal position does not in any way, shape or form invalidate one iota of the data or facts therein.
TG will not be drawn to use the "r" word, no more than he will be drawn to alter in any way the disclaimer to which MS takes such exception. That he won't make, or alter, statements that put him in a compromising legal position does not in any way, shape or form invalidate one iota of the data or facts therein.
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Has it ever occurred to you that he cannot make any claims because of the possibility that something is wrong?
No one is saying that the data is not viable. We are saying, however, that he needs to back up this data with proper documentation.
If someone is shot dead, you can't say that so-and-so shot him just because there is obviously a gunshot wound and the gun belongs to so-and-so. You still need to produce evidence/documentation which says that so-and-so was indeed the person who fired the gun.
That is a fact of life. You can go on and cry all day and all night about the game being rigged and it would never hold up under scrutiny unless TG closes all the holes.
If and when that time comes, I for one will be amongst those shouting it from the rooftops. Until that time, you can scream all you like but if something really is wrong, will you then come out and admit that you were a bit premature or are you going to slink away like a weasel? At least we are willing to stand up and take any consequences should there be any.
No one is saying that the data is not viable. We are saying, however, that he needs to back up this data with proper documentation.
If someone is shot dead, you can't say that so-and-so shot him just because there is obviously a gunshot wound and the gun belongs to so-and-so. You still need to produce evidence/documentation which says that so-and-so was indeed the person who fired the gun.
That is a fact of life. You can go on and cry all day and all night about the game being rigged and it would never hold up under scrutiny unless TG closes all the holes.
If and when that time comes, I for one will be amongst those shouting it from the rooftops. Until that time, you can scream all you like but if something really is wrong, will you then come out and admit that you were a bit premature or are you going to slink away like a weasel? At least we are willing to stand up and take any consequences should there be any.
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This following quote from Largo has got to be the lamest and most ridiculous answer for a casinos defense that I have ever heard------
QUOTE from LARGO's Chris Anderson:
Bryan Bailey spoke about Copy Write laws in Las Vegas this past week and Wager 21 was his prime example. This is just more of Casinomeisters (Bryan Bailey) crusade against anyone who doesnt pay to advertise on his site , I believe that is called Extortion.
LOL, I cant believe he actually said something so stupid as if Bryan would need to do this!!! Most casinos are honored to be approved as "reputable & Trustworthy" and welcome the opportunity to advertise here. Lol,,,, Chris your site doesnt qualify as either one, so your privalage to advertise here is not Bryans crusade, but more like your misfortune due to your crooked associations.
Player486/DirtyAngel
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QUOTE from LARGO's Chris Anderson:
Bryan Bailey spoke about Copy Write laws in Las Vegas this past week and Wager 21 was his prime example. This is just more of Casinomeisters (Bryan Bailey) crusade against anyone who doesnt pay to advertise on his site , I believe that is called Extortion.
LOL, I cant believe he actually said something so stupid as if Bryan would need to do this!!! Most casinos are honored to be approved as "reputable & Trustworthy" and welcome the opportunity to advertise here. Lol,,,, Chris your site doesnt qualify as either one, so your privalage to advertise here is not Bryans crusade, but more like your misfortune due to your crooked associations.
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Implying that the arguments are emotion based, not fact-based, with a spot of character-bashing for good measure, doesn't wash - but I've no reason to respond to taunts.
The gun analogy is false: the software (the gun) was operating off the Microgaming server (the assassin); if a "seeming" Microgaming game was proven to be non-random but UNPROVEN as Microgaming, it would be a valid analogy. But the man is clearly holding the weapon, and clearly guilty of the crime.
You have the stats. You have the calculation methods. You have the stated probabilities. If you would clearly state EXACTLY what is is you want, TG will provide it.
The gun analogy is false: the software (the gun) was operating off the Microgaming server (the assassin); if a "seeming" Microgaming game was proven to be non-random but UNPROVEN as Microgaming, it would be a valid analogy. But the man is clearly holding the weapon, and clearly guilty of the crime.
You have the stats. You have the calculation methods. You have the stated probabilities. If you would clearly state EXACTLY what is is you want, TG will provide it.
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Seems to me some of the bullets were deformed, to continue with the analogy. It's almost like TG picked up some bullets but let some others pass by - not that this is right or wrong or even affects the result (because I do not have the ability to do that type of analysis) but the point is that we do not have all the information at hand - we have a "gun" and "some bullets".
As for character-bashing - that was not the intent, however, the general portal-bashing which has been taking place here and elsewhere would be a little bit more of a concern than a passing reference to a weasel's actions.
It has been implied elsewhere that we are covering up - this is not the case. It has been implied that we are letting income dictate our actions - this is not the case.
Perhaps it is human nature that we as portal operators automatically deserve to be tarred with the same brush, pawned off as cheap whores, whatever... despite the fact that some of us work our asses off both in front and behind the scenes to help make things better for all.
Don't you think this is a little bit unfair?
As for character-bashing - that was not the intent, however, the general portal-bashing which has been taking place here and elsewhere would be a little bit more of a concern than a passing reference to a weasel's actions.
It has been implied elsewhere that we are covering up - this is not the case. It has been implied that we are letting income dictate our actions - this is not the case.
Perhaps it is human nature that we as portal operators automatically deserve to be tarred with the same brush, pawned off as cheap whores, whatever... despite the fact that some of us work our asses off both in front and behind the scenes to help make things better for all.
Don't you think this is a little bit unfair?
Spearmaster,
I believe you have an agenda of your own.
(Perhaps you work for Microgaming and have been pulling the wool over our eyes all this time pretending to be a mere portal owner? I wouldn't be surprised if you worked directly for Moshal!)
I am now asking you for the SPECIFIC evidence/documentation that YOU require from TG to finally convince you, beyond a reasonable doubt, that MGS is/is not deliberately running a crooked game. What documentation do you claim Lateshift HAS NOT COLLECTED?
TrueGambler's Sept 14 addendum is very clear and concise. If you feel there are errors that could skew the results of the Chi-Square test, please let all of us know right away. I am waiting for Lateshift to release the STATS ONLY version.
If these stats compare directly to the results of the ~ 100,000 hands that myself and friends have recorded, I will be going directly to the media -- probably to a major television network's new magazine, i.e. 60 Minutes, 20/20 etc. to ask if they are willing to do a report about this. If this comes through, I promise to release my data, and ask if they can get other experts to review TG's data.
Bet size info is CRTITICAL to a project like this, and I am very dissapointed this info, as of yet, has not been released by Lateshift.
My personal stats backup my hypothesis that Microgaming has deliberately programmed its software to steal money at a player's highest betting levels.
My hypothesis is when a player bets <, 4x his average bet, the system deliberately causes greater than normal losses to the player. This type of cheating is not easily recognized, since the standard deviation is computed for all of the players hands, not just the large bets. Let's say for example that I play 1100 hands of Microgaming single deck bj. 1000 of those hands, I flat bet $20. Of the other 100 hands:
25 hands were lower than $20
25 were $40
25 were $50
25 were $100
The system immediately recongizes the $100 bets and on these bets ONLY, an extra 5% edge is given to the house.
The big question is -- Can 1 player prove this? Of course not. The results of all 1100 bets make the game seem fair. On the surface, it all seems legit, doesn't it?
LACK OF REGULATION IS A LICENSE TO STEAL.
I believe you have an agenda of your own.
(Perhaps you work for Microgaming and have been pulling the wool over our eyes all this time pretending to be a mere portal owner? I wouldn't be surprised if you worked directly for Moshal!)
I am now asking you for the SPECIFIC evidence/documentation that YOU require from TG to finally convince you, beyond a reasonable doubt, that MGS is/is not deliberately running a crooked game. What documentation do you claim Lateshift HAS NOT COLLECTED?
TrueGambler's Sept 14 addendum is very clear and concise. If you feel there are errors that could skew the results of the Chi-Square test, please let all of us know right away. I am waiting for Lateshift to release the STATS ONLY version.
If these stats compare directly to the results of the ~ 100,000 hands that myself and friends have recorded, I will be going directly to the media -- probably to a major television network's new magazine, i.e. 60 Minutes, 20/20 etc. to ask if they are willing to do a report about this. If this comes through, I promise to release my data, and ask if they can get other experts to review TG's data.
Bet size info is CRTITICAL to a project like this, and I am very dissapointed this info, as of yet, has not been released by Lateshift.
My personal stats backup my hypothesis that Microgaming has deliberately programmed its software to steal money at a player's highest betting levels.
My hypothesis is when a player bets <, 4x his average bet, the system deliberately causes greater than normal losses to the player. This type of cheating is not easily recognized, since the standard deviation is computed for all of the players hands, not just the large bets. Let's say for example that I play 1100 hands of Microgaming single deck bj. 1000 of those hands, I flat bet $20. Of the other 100 hands:
25 hands were lower than $20
25 were $40
25 were $50
25 were $100
The system immediately recongizes the $100 bets and on these bets ONLY, an extra 5% edge is given to the house.
The big question is -- Can 1 player prove this? Of course not. The results of all 1100 bets make the game seem fair. On the surface, it all seems legit, doesn't it?
LACK OF REGULATION IS A LICENSE TO STEAL.
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Dave - long time no see LOL.
If I worked for Microgaming (I wish) - I wouldn't be here because, for one thing, I'd be under an NDA, and for another, it would be readily obvious if I had an agenda.
I am not personally able to make any decision on the data - like most of us, I have to rely on others to make the informed decision.
Nevertheless - there is not enough info on the data which was excluded. No evidence has been produced which shows that the data was derived from the same game and/or server and/or build of software. No evidence has been produced to show the accuracy of the OCA software under the various circumstances by which cards are dealt to the player.
There's a lot more than that, most of it a lot more scientific and complicated than I would honestly be able to describe - and, lacking secondary verification by an auditor, or failing that, someone like the Wiz who I trust, I cannot possibly arrive at a firm conclusion.
I have no idea about bet size or whether it would have an impact on the result - I'll leave it to someone who knows what they are talking about to convince me LOL.
As for your LACK OF REGULATION statement - I fully agree, and I bet a lot of operators and manufacturers would dearly love to see proper regulation as well - just as many of them would be happy to pay tax to be recognized in the US as a legitimate operation.
Now don't disappear for too long - if both you and Caruso disappear things get boring around here
If I worked for Microgaming (I wish) - I wouldn't be here because, for one thing, I'd be under an NDA, and for another, it would be readily obvious if I had an agenda.
I am not personally able to make any decision on the data - like most of us, I have to rely on others to make the informed decision.
Nevertheless - there is not enough info on the data which was excluded. No evidence has been produced which shows that the data was derived from the same game and/or server and/or build of software. No evidence has been produced to show the accuracy of the OCA software under the various circumstances by which cards are dealt to the player.
There's a lot more than that, most of it a lot more scientific and complicated than I would honestly be able to describe - and, lacking secondary verification by an auditor, or failing that, someone like the Wiz who I trust, I cannot possibly arrive at a firm conclusion.
I have no idea about bet size or whether it would have an impact on the result - I'll leave it to someone who knows what they are talking about to convince me LOL.
As for your LACK OF REGULATION statement - I fully agree, and I bet a lot of operators and manufacturers would dearly love to see proper regulation as well - just as many of them would be happy to pay tax to be recognized in the US as a legitimate operation.
Now don't disappear for too long - if both you and Caruso disappear things get boring around here
I had the same problem with neteller. I made instantcash deposits to Intercasino and Neteller withdrew double the deposits. when I went to my bank statement there had been deposits made to my bank from neteller. My concern is that they never even acknowledged that they had done this. I never recieved an e-mail or phone call. Oh well at least my money is back in my account 
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Well its Weds Sept. 24 3:58PM EDT, and I still have not been credited back my $104 from Neteller. I like the way Neteller lied in the e-mail stating it would be credited by last Thursday by 5PM EDT. Oh well, I already filed a fraud report with my bank; they are taking care of it.
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Regards,
william
Thank you for your kind words.
I have been silent for good reason. I don't want to be accused of making a "rush to judgement."
What happened when the Gamemaster published a recent article stating the OCA project was flawed? The Gamemaster had to retract his article.
I am awaiting the OCA "STATS ONLY" release. This will answer a number of your questions, and give TrueGambler further credibility.
TrueGambler removed all Microgaming casino advertising from his website. He has been advertising them for the longest time, and if he had an agenda against Microgaming, he wouldn't have advertised them to begin with. Also, when the OCA anylized MGS video poker, his data showed that the players received MORE ROYALS than theoretically predicted. If he had an agenda against MGS, Truegambler would never have done this.
Let me respond to each of your points one-by-one. You state:
1) Nevertheless - there is not enough info on the data which was excluded.
I agree completely. TG admits that there was a mistake in the alpha version of his software (March-May 2002) which did not allow OCA to properly track split hands. This most definately could bias the results. Other experts need to be consulted to find out the extent of this possible bias.
2) No evidence has been produced which shows that the data was derived from the same game and/or server and/or build of software.
I will reply to this in three parts:
A) TG stated that the only results recorded were from the single-deck game. There is no "PROOF" of this. You simply have to take TrueGambler's word on this. How would you EXPECT him to prove this?
Hire an independent consultant to anylize the source code of the OCA, and confirm the sub-routines only track the single-deck version?
Or perhaps you'd like TrueGambler to contact Microgaming and ask for audit trails of every single hand played at a particular licensee, by a particular player, at a set date and time?
B) The OCA client keeps a SEGREGATED RECORD of the name of the licensee, as well as the DATE/TIME of every hand played at that licensee. From this information, MGS can easily determine the server info.
C) The single-deck game had the same graphics/cards/card values at the sites tracked by the OCA. I realize different MGS sites have slightly different builds of software. I.E. VIPER, 32-bit thumper, Orbital (I have no idea what that build was called). If you are implying this could have affected the OCA's card recognition capabilities, I think you are WRONG.
But once again, since the data was SEGREGATED by CASINO and DATE/TIME, if there was such a bug in the recognition, it could be DETECTED! MGS can easily determine the build of software being used by a particular casino at a particular time.
3) No evidence has been produced to show the accuracy of the OCA software under the various circumstances by which cards are dealt to the player.
You are quite right. An independent 3rd party needs to be consulted with to TEST the card recognition of the software. Perhaps, since we all trust the Wiz, he would like to be the one to perform such a test. TG himself says that part of the software has been reviewed time and time again, and he strongly believes there are no errors.
I have been silent for good reason. I don't want to be accused of making a "rush to judgement."
What happened when the Gamemaster published a recent article stating the OCA project was flawed? The Gamemaster had to retract his article.
I am awaiting the OCA "STATS ONLY" release. This will answer a number of your questions, and give TrueGambler further credibility.
TrueGambler removed all Microgaming casino advertising from his website. He has been advertising them for the longest time, and if he had an agenda against Microgaming, he wouldn't have advertised them to begin with. Also, when the OCA anylized MGS video poker, his data showed that the players received MORE ROYALS than theoretically predicted. If he had an agenda against MGS, Truegambler would never have done this.
Let me respond to each of your points one-by-one. You state:
1) Nevertheless - there is not enough info on the data which was excluded.
I agree completely. TG admits that there was a mistake in the alpha version of his software (March-May 2002) which did not allow OCA to properly track split hands. This most definately could bias the results. Other experts need to be consulted to find out the extent of this possible bias.
2) No evidence has been produced which shows that the data was derived from the same game and/or server and/or build of software.
I will reply to this in three parts:
A) TG stated that the only results recorded were from the single-deck game. There is no "PROOF" of this. You simply have to take TrueGambler's word on this. How would you EXPECT him to prove this?
Hire an independent consultant to anylize the source code of the OCA, and confirm the sub-routines only track the single-deck version?
Or perhaps you'd like TrueGambler to contact Microgaming and ask for audit trails of every single hand played at a particular licensee, by a particular player, at a set date and time?
B) The OCA client keeps a SEGREGATED RECORD of the name of the licensee, as well as the DATE/TIME of every hand played at that licensee. From this information, MGS can easily determine the server info.
C) The single-deck game had the same graphics/cards/card values at the sites tracked by the OCA. I realize different MGS sites have slightly different builds of software. I.E. VIPER, 32-bit thumper, Orbital (I have no idea what that build was called). If you are implying this could have affected the OCA's card recognition capabilities, I think you are WRONG.
But once again, since the data was SEGREGATED by CASINO and DATE/TIME, if there was such a bug in the recognition, it could be DETECTED! MGS can easily determine the build of software being used by a particular casino at a particular time.
3) No evidence has been produced to show the accuracy of the OCA software under the various circumstances by which cards are dealt to the player.
You are quite right. An independent 3rd party needs to be consulted with to TEST the card recognition of the software. Perhaps, since we all trust the Wiz, he would like to be the one to perform such a test. TG himself says that part of the software has been reviewed time and time again, and he strongly believes there are no errors.
"If this comes through, I promise to release my data, and ask if they can get other experts to review TG's data."
Dave, I know from your previous posts that you have promised to release your personal data for some time and this may be the right time to do so in support of your consistently expressed view that MGS software cheats.
I also applaud your suggestion that more expert opinion on the TG issue be sought to aid those of us who remain unconvinced to reach a fair conclusion. So far there has been a marked lack of real opinion from the usual experts and other views might be helpful.
I think it was Mary who posted a couple weeks back that the more stringent and thorough the expert testing of TG's material, the better, as it would add weight to it if found correct.
In the meantime, it might be productive to eschew the attacks on *portalmasters* who have a differing view of this situation to your own. They are not all guilty of ulterior motivation.
Dave, I know from your previous posts that you have promised to release your personal data for some time and this may be the right time to do so in support of your consistently expressed view that MGS software cheats.
I also applaud your suggestion that more expert opinion on the TG issue be sought to aid those of us who remain unconvinced to reach a fair conclusion. So far there has been a marked lack of real opinion from the usual experts and other views might be helpful.
I think it was Mary who posted a couple weeks back that the more stringent and thorough the expert testing of TG's material, the better, as it would add weight to it if found correct.
In the meantime, it might be productive to eschew the attacks on *portalmasters* who have a differing view of this situation to your own. They are not all guilty of ulterior motivation.
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Dave -
No matter what anyone thinks, no matter what I may say when I get a bit heated, I think people like you are necessary and important around here
So, to respond back to your response... LOL...
A) TG stated that the only results recorded were from the single-deck game. There is no "PROOF" of this.
If segregating the data by casino was done, and further verifying that each casino is indeed dealing the same game, one should be able to substantiate the claim that all the data was from a single-deck game.
B) The OCA client keeps a SEGREGATED RECORD of the name of the licensee, as well as the DATE/TIME of every hand played at that licensee. From this information, MGS can easily determine the server info.
I don't believe this information was publicly known. Naturally this is good. However, I am also referring to the segregation of data by player.
C) The single-deck game had the same graphics/cards/card values at the sites tracked by the OCA. I realize different MGS sites have slightly different builds of software. I.E. VIPER, 32-bit thumper, Orbital (I have no idea what that build was called). If you are implying this could have affected the OCA's card recognition capabilities, I think you are WRONG.
I don't know how this was done because it has also not been publicly stated. This is the whole crux of the matter - we are asked to assume things we haven't even been told about. But then there is the issue of potentially different positioning, coloring, etc. in each build - I'm not saying this is true or not true, because I don't know - it would be easy enough for him to state that each of these builds has fundamentally no difference in the way and position of cards being displayed and handled - but he didn't.
Orbital's build was called Odin if I am not mistaken
ANYHOW - you may think I am nitpicking - I am not. All of these details must be included in a report in such a manner that someone else could recreate the entire process and independently verify that what is being claimed is true. That is how the scientific community produces research.
Like you, I do not want to be accused of "rushing to judge" the data. It's pretty clear what the data itself implies. Now it's just a matter of producing the evidence required to substantiate the validity of the data.
It's nothing more than that - yet a few people are insistent on A) claiming that the software is definitely rigged, and B) trying to slant the view of others by calling some of us biased despite clear evidence to the contrary.
You were around before I even came on the scene, I think - and you should recall that in the early days I also expressed some skepticism of the game. However, since I don't play blackjack these days, not even in land-based casinos, the point is essentially moot for me as a player. My only remaining concern about blackjack is the fairness of the game if I am to promote it to players from the portal operator's perspective - and I am not about to stake everything I have built over the past three years on recommending a gaffed game, plain and simple.
No matter what anyone thinks, no matter what I may say when I get a bit heated, I think people like you are necessary and important around here
So, to respond back to your response... LOL...
A) TG stated that the only results recorded were from the single-deck game. There is no "PROOF" of this.
If segregating the data by casino was done, and further verifying that each casino is indeed dealing the same game, one should be able to substantiate the claim that all the data was from a single-deck game.
B) The OCA client keeps a SEGREGATED RECORD of the name of the licensee, as well as the DATE/TIME of every hand played at that licensee. From this information, MGS can easily determine the server info.
I don't believe this information was publicly known. Naturally this is good. However, I am also referring to the segregation of data by player.
C) The single-deck game had the same graphics/cards/card values at the sites tracked by the OCA. I realize different MGS sites have slightly different builds of software. I.E. VIPER, 32-bit thumper, Orbital (I have no idea what that build was called). If you are implying this could have affected the OCA's card recognition capabilities, I think you are WRONG.
I don't know how this was done because it has also not been publicly stated. This is the whole crux of the matter - we are asked to assume things we haven't even been told about. But then there is the issue of potentially different positioning, coloring, etc. in each build - I'm not saying this is true or not true, because I don't know - it would be easy enough for him to state that each of these builds has fundamentally no difference in the way and position of cards being displayed and handled - but he didn't.
Orbital's build was called Odin if I am not mistaken
ANYHOW - you may think I am nitpicking - I am not. All of these details must be included in a report in such a manner that someone else could recreate the entire process and independently verify that what is being claimed is true. That is how the scientific community produces research.
Like you, I do not want to be accused of "rushing to judge" the data. It's pretty clear what the data itself implies. Now it's just a matter of producing the evidence required to substantiate the validity of the data.
It's nothing more than that - yet a few people are insistent on A) claiming that the software is definitely rigged, and B) trying to slant the view of others by calling some of us biased despite clear evidence to the contrary.
You were around before I even came on the scene, I think - and you should recall that in the early days I also expressed some skepticism of the game. However, since I don't play blackjack these days, not even in land-based casinos, the point is essentially moot for me as a player. My only remaining concern about blackjack is the fairness of the game if I am to promote it to players from the portal operator's perspective - and I am not about to stake everything I have built over the past three years on recommending a gaffed game, plain and simple.
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Thurday, Sept. 25 8:57AM EDT, still no credit from Neteller for the erroneous $104, and I don't have access to the missing $104 while the bank investigates. Nice lie Neteller.
Jetset, you said:
I also applaud your suggestion that more expert opinion on the TG issue be sought to aid those of us who remain unconvinced to reach a fair conclusion. So far there has been a marked lack of real opinion from the usual experts and other views might be helpful. [Endquote]
I AGREE! The real experts are NOT commenting, and for good reason. But believe me, they are consulting with TG regularly, and are conducting thier own research as well. THIS IS ALL HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENES. Michael Shackleford recently stated that guilt cannot be proven "beyond a reasonable doubt" and they he will continue to advertise and play at these casinos. However, in the weeks and months to come, you can bet that he will do his own research behind the scenes. Even the MGS paid for his vacation, I don't think that he will continue to support them if he has solid evidence of a gaffed game. He is above that.
You also state:
In the meantime, it might be productive to eschew the attacks on *portalmasters* who have a differing view of this situation to your own. They are not all guilty of ulterior motivation.
[Endquote]
The majority of portalmasters are guilty of ulterior motivation. I NEVER USED THE WORD "ALL".
I have found a few portalmasters that have ethics. The admin here is proof of that. CM of bet2gamble is also a good example. (Although, I still have a disagreement with him about 777.com)
Some webmasters are honest, but at the same time are extremely naive. I think GLodge is a great example. He advertised Elka systems casinos as being the best thing since sliced bread, and all of a sudden got very angry that someone was publicly questioning his ethics as a portal owner.
The majority of portalmasters simply want to protect thier "bowl of rice" since they have a vested interest in the success of the industry.
Same thing for various casino magazine publications. Have you ever seen an article in Casino Player or Gambling Online magazine about online casinos that might be dealing a crooked game. NO. They refused to publish info on the Casino Bar scandal. Are they truly afraid of lawsuits? You've got to be kidding.
Everyone is AFRAID to bring up the subject of rigged games.
Ask yourself WHY?
Censorship. The editors won't allow it.
I also applaud your suggestion that more expert opinion on the TG issue be sought to aid those of us who remain unconvinced to reach a fair conclusion. So far there has been a marked lack of real opinion from the usual experts and other views might be helpful. [Endquote]
I AGREE! The real experts are NOT commenting, and for good reason. But believe me, they are consulting with TG regularly, and are conducting thier own research as well. THIS IS ALL HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENES. Michael Shackleford recently stated that guilt cannot be proven "beyond a reasonable doubt" and they he will continue to advertise and play at these casinos. However, in the weeks and months to come, you can bet that he will do his own research behind the scenes. Even the MGS paid for his vacation, I don't think that he will continue to support them if he has solid evidence of a gaffed game. He is above that.
You also state:
In the meantime, it might be productive to eschew the attacks on *portalmasters* who have a differing view of this situation to your own. They are not all guilty of ulterior motivation.
[Endquote]
The majority of portalmasters are guilty of ulterior motivation. I NEVER USED THE WORD "ALL".
I have found a few portalmasters that have ethics. The admin here is proof of that. CM of bet2gamble is also a good example. (Although, I still have a disagreement with him about 777.com)
Some webmasters are honest, but at the same time are extremely naive. I think GLodge is a great example. He advertised Elka systems casinos as being the best thing since sliced bread, and all of a sudden got very angry that someone was publicly questioning his ethics as a portal owner.
The majority of portalmasters simply want to protect thier "bowl of rice" since they have a vested interest in the success of the industry.
Same thing for various casino magazine publications. Have you ever seen an article in Casino Player or Gambling Online magazine about online casinos that might be dealing a crooked game. NO. They refused to publish info on the Casino Bar scandal. Are they truly afraid of lawsuits? You've got to be kidding.
Everyone is AFRAID to bring up the subject of rigged games.
Ask yourself WHY?
Censorship. The editors won't allow it.
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Do I fall in the "ulterior motivation" category? LOL... I love my bowl of rice but I also know where I can find more rice
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My case was resolved on Sept 24. The money they removed from my account has been refunded.
I guess they just had a systematic error last week.
I guess they just had a systematic error last week.
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