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Barack OBAMA, during his Cairo speech, said: "I know, too, that Islam has always been a part of America 's story."

AN AMERICAN CITIZEN'S RESPONSE:

Dear Mr. Obama:

Were those Muslims that were in America when the Pilgrims first landed? Funny, I thought they were Native American Indians.

Were those Muslims that celebrated the first Thanksgiving day? Sorry again, those were Pilgrims and Native American Indians.

Can you show me one Muslim signature on the United States Constitution?

Declaration of Independence ?

Bill of Rights?

Didn't think so.

Did Muslims fight for this country's freedom from England ? No.

Did Muslims fight during the Civil War to free the slaves in America ? No, they did not. In fact, Muslims to this day are still the largest traffickers in human slavery. Your own half brother, a devout Muslim, still advocates slavery himself, even though Muslims of Arabic descent refer to black Muslims as "pug nosed slaves." Says a lot of what the Muslim world really thinks of your family's "rich Islamic heritage," doesn't it Mr. Obama?

Where were Muslims during the Civil Rights era of this country? Not present.

There are no pictures or media accounts of Muslims walking side by side with Martin Luther King, Jr. or helping to advance the cause of Civil Rights.

Where were Muslims during this country's Woman's Suffrage era? Again, not present. In fact, devout Muslims demand that women are subservient to men in the Islamic culture. So much so, that often they are beaten for not wearing the 'hajib' or for talking to a man who is not a direct family member or their husband. Yep, the Muslims are all for women's rights, aren't they?

Where were Muslims during World War II? They were aligned with Adolf Hitler. The Muslim grand mufti himself met with Adolf Hitler, reviewed the troops and accepted support from the Nazis in killing Jews.

Finally, Mr. Obama, where were Muslims on Sept. 11th, 2001? If they weren't flying planes into the World Trade Center , the Pentagon or a field in Pennsylvania killing nearly 3,000 people on our own soil, they were rejoicing in the Middle East . No one can dispute the pictures shown from all parts of the Muslim world celebrating on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC and other cable news networks that day. Strangely, the very "moderate" Muslims who's asses you bent over backwards to kiss in Cairo , Egypt on June 4th were stone cold silent post 9-11. To many Americans, their silence has meant approval for the acts of that day.

And THAT, Mr. Obama, is the "rich heritage" Muslims have here in America .

Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot to mention the Barbary Pirates. They were Muslim.

And now we can add November 5, 2009 - the slaughter of American soldiers at Fort Hood by a Muslim major who is a doctor and a psychiatrist who was supposed to be counseling soldiers returning from battle in Iraq and Afghanistan .


That, Mr. Obama is the "Muslim heritage" in America.
 
....I dont want to get in to it...beside Im not american...still

Usually when I introduce myself to someone and I say Im Italian....99% of the time the answer I get is : "ohhh Mafioso".....:o

kakata
 
That "American Response" is so full of crap and inaccuracies, it is a sad thing to think some people might be swayed by this.

All that Pilgrim stuff...well we know what happened to the Native Americans. I would have left that part out. The American Revolution was about land ownership and money - and let's not forget that many slaves were from North Africa - who were Muslims.

American Civil War? It had nothing to do with freeing the slaves. It was about state rights and should have been named the "War of Southern Succession". Those freed slaves were treated like crap in the North just as bad as the South, so what the hell? Civil Wars are fought by forces which want to overthrow the government - the Southern States had no desire to overthrow Washington, they declared themselves a sovereign nation.

WWII? Hitler was a vegetarian. Does that mean that vegetarians are evil too? What about the North African forces that fought against and defeated fascist Italy (remember Ethiopia?).

What about the Muslims in the East that fought the Japanese? Or do you have to be an American citizen to count in that essay? :rolleyes:

Muslims have been a big part of the Civil Rights movement. Black Muslims - who were undoubtedly a bit more radical than Dr. Kings followers, but they were active nonetheless. Some have been deemed heroes - Mohamed Ali for one.

Muslim's are a part of America - always have been. And now that American relies on Muslim oil, it's a biiiiig part of America :p

Sounds like right wing Christian propaganda if you ask me ;)

And if we start dealing out blame cards, the Nazis were mostly Catholic and Protestant. The American Indians were massacred by Christians...slaves from Africa were enslaved by....well, you get the picture.

And how 'bout that Spanish Inquisition? Anybody for a comfy chair?? :D
 
I found this on the net and it disturbed me really bad

I was ready to go toe to toe with you Bryan on some of the issues you posted, just a couple, but for the most part i agreed with 80% of what you said. I was doing some back ground work on Dr. King that i wanted to post here, when i found this by mistake, i want people to know that the internet is full of crazed people who are hell bent on distorting history for their own sick agendas. Why are people so hateful and hurtful to one another, i will never understand it.

As a lover of American History and Politics i hope to have the chance to debate my disagreement on that 20% later on.


Please dont watch this if your easily offended as it offended me just not as an American but as a Human being. This is what i was going to post there but it wouldnt let me, i will not give that forum the satisfaction of my personal info, its a white hate group, this make me just so frigging sick.

What an asshole you are, my God i watched that and wanted to puke, are you crazy, insane or just un- human, well after i saw the name of this forum, its swine like you that gives all true Christians a black eye, God will punish you for this and your day will come, mark my words...................Sickened in the South


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I'm from Texas. First thing I get is "Redneck". Not everyone here is a snuff dipping, Stetson wearing, pickup driving, cowboy. Well, maybe most, but not all. :D

Can't lump all with some.

i so agree with what you just said. i see the word redneck used alot to put someone down. my husband calls himself a redneck. there is a story behind the word redneck we looked it up one time to get the real meaning behind the word. what we found was a very good story about how the word came about. and no i did,nt post this so anyone can go off on me again i just wanted peoples diffdent viwes on this letter. i have read everyones post and agree with almost everything that was said. you can not lump people together. there r bad in every group and every race. and yes casinomeister alot has been done in the name of God that should have never been done. does,nt make God wrong just the people who did it. but it also sounds as if ur lumping all the christians together. i don,t know if i would call myself a christian i really don,t belong to any religion or church i have yet to find one that does not put others down but i do belive in a higher power that goes by many names i choose to call him God. so in keeping this nice so as to not ruffle anyone feathers i also don,t think all christian should be lumped together. thanks everyone for ur posts:)my husband makes a good point. how many people have died caz of a book. the bible,the kerran,and all of the other books that people have killed other people in the name of.
 
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i so agree with what you just said. i see the word redneck used alot to put someone down. my husband calls himself a redneck. there is a story behind the word redneck we looked it up one time to get the real meaning behind the word. what we found was a very good story about how the word came about. and no i did,nt post this so anyone can go off on me again i just wanted peoples diffdent viwes on this letter. i have read everyones post and agree with almost everything that was said. you can not lump people together. there r bad in every group and every race. and yes casinomeister alot has been done in the name of God that should have never been done. does,nt make God wrong just the people who did it. but it also sounds as if ur lumping all the christians together. i don,t know if i would call myself a christian i really don,t belong to any religion or church i have yet to find one that does not put others down but i do belive in a higher power that goes by many names i choose to call him God. so in keeping this nice so as to not ruffle anyone feathers i also don,t think all christian should be lumped together. thanks everyone for ur posts:)

Just the "Right Wing Christians" as that type of propaganda has always been their Modus Operandi. Bryan did say 'right wing' ;) Mostly the Southern Bible thumpers IMO...lol
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Rob, I hope you are being funny.

If not, as a 'Southern Bible thumper' I take offense, Rob. There you go lumping all southerners in one pile. I am a dunked in the water baptised Southern Baptist, and I don't agree with one word of what was posted. I do agree with what CM posted.

Alot of people have been killed in the name of various religions or psuedo-religions. Bigotry and hatred are not just the domain of us Southerners. Some of us are pretty liberal.
 
Where were Muslims during the Civil Rights era of this country? Not present.

There are no pictures or media accounts of Muslims walking side by side with Martin Luther King, Jr. or helping to advance the cause of Civil Rights.

Unless you count Malcolm X. :o

If you're gonna post a diatribe, please, at least get the facts straight!
 
Rob, I hope you are being funny.

If not, as a 'Southern Bible thumper' I take offense, Rob. There you go lumping all southerners in one pile. I am a dunked in the water baptised Southern Baptist,

So am I Annie, but that still does not change the fact that there are more Southern Bible thumpers in the right wing Christian propaganda machine than there are others. Just look up the stats on that one if you don't want to believe me...actually, I don't think you understood what I meant by the term "Southern Bible thumper" ...unless you are part of the right wing Christian propaganda movement...are you?
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if u read my other post. i put it on here to get people viwes not to let people have a go at me again. maybe the person who worte it should look it up. not me.

If you are going to post something controversial such as that, you should include your own view, otherwise people will just assume that IT IS your view.
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There were many Muslims who worked at the towers, who were passengers in the planes that hit the towers, and who were first responders who died that day.

Why are we discussing 9-11 today, and the further demonization of all things Muslim? Why aren't we talking about ultra-right-wing white Christians who bomb federal buildings today?
 
So am I Annie, but that still does not change the fact that there are more Southern Bible thumpers in the right wing Christian propaganda machine than there are others. Just look up the stats on that one if you don't want to believe me...actually, I don't think you understood what I meant by the term "Southern Bible thumper" ...unless you are part of the right wing Christian propaganda movement...are you?
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Im a Southern Baptist who also happens to be a Right Wing Conservative Republican, i dont expect to share the same veiws as everyone else but i respect theirs , i find your post very disrespectful Rob, not all of us are propagandists, not all Southeners are raciest, not all Baptists are Bible thumpers and let me really blow your freaking mind Rob, not all people that watch Fox news are brainwashed, oh yes thats FAUX news to you, i forgot lol.......:mad: LJ
 
I do agree with what CM posted.

Sorry, but I have to go back to this statement also since I really don't believe that you truly know who the "right wing Christian" peeps are Annie.

Bryan said "Sounds like right wing Christian propaganda if you ask me" and then you state that you agree with what CM posted but not with what I posted...which is entirely your prerogative, for sure but still...

that right there tells me that you do not truly understand who the 'right wing' of the Christian propaganda movement are!
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Im a Southern Baptist who also happens to be a Right Wing Conservative Republican, i dont expect to share the same veiws as everyone else but i respect theirs , i find your post very disrespectful Rob, not all of us are propagandists, not all Southeners are raciest, not all Baptists are Bible thumpers and let me really blow your freaking mind Rob, not all people that watch Fox news are brainwashed, oh yes thats FAUX news to you, i forgot lol.......:mad: LJ

Jeeze us krist, chill the phuck out...ok...read what I just posted in my last post above and do some freaking research and maybe you too will understand what I said...:rolleyes:
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Also Laurie, when you say you are a "Right Wing Conservative Republican", do you really understand that term "Right Wing"?

There is a big difference in being a "Conservative Republican", and being a "Right Wing Conservative Republican"....I thought you of all people would know that!

So are you really a "Right Wing Conservative Republican" ??
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While I certainly understand that not all muslims are "bad", there is no denying the fact that it was indeed muslims that attacked the US on 9/11, and while it is grossly unfair to state that all muslims are to blame, it is also unfair not to acknowledge that muslims were to blame. More death and destruction has been caused throughout history in the name of God (whichever one you choose), than anything else. Those that would blame the west for the muslim hatred, forget the oppression caused by the muslim empires throughout history (Ottoman Emp., Persians, etc.). There is enough blame to go round, but the fact remains that 19 MUSLIM hijackers caused thousands of deaths a decade ago, and to ignore that and speak of the well intentioned may make you feel better, but many of us are still pissed off and will remain so until the true "peaceful" muslim religion supplants the radical, hate filled version of Islam we have today. Any religion that calls for the destruction of those who don't abide (jihad, kill the infidels, etc.), is at odds with what any religion is suppose to be about. (I am not affiliated with any by the way)

All we are saying, is give peace a chance..... J. Lennon
 
And this is why I do not "do" politics!! :(

Deleted about five hundred words in this post. Just too Damn confusing.

Rob, I really have come to respect you, Guy. But sometimes you come off as condescending, no offense.

Thanks Jod, but I swear it gripes my azz to no end when some of these peeps here post some of this $hit and make these, IMO, ludicrous statements without having any basis or facts or knowledge whatsoever to back them up...ya know..:cool:
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Rob, could you please clarify what you mean by ludicrous, missing facts, etc. Just want to make sure I get what you are trying to say?? I don't know if you're referring to my post, but the facts of Sep. 11 are clear, muslims did it in the name of "god". If you are referring to something else, sorry.
 
Also Laurie, when you say you are a "Right Wing Conservative Republican", do you really understand that term "Right Wing"?

There is a big difference in being a "Conservative Republican", and being a "Right Wing Conservative Republican"....I thought you of all people would know that!

So are you really a "Right Wing Conservative Republican" ??
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If we have to get down to the brass tactics here Rob, i guess im more toward the center , there are things that i believe in and others i dont that would exclude me from saying im 100% right wing.

We have had this talk before and you know how i feel on certain matters, such as a parents right to know if their daughter is taken to get an abortion from the same school that wont give her an aspirin for a headache.

I will leave you with this news article, your a parent and there are parents on this forum, maybe you can see why i think there should be less goverment in our personal lives, just not with our children but everyday life in general, including gambling online, ect. P.S tax dollars paid for whats in the article btw.

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Laurie
 
Rob, could you please clarify what you mean by ludicrous, missing facts, etc. Just want to make sure I get what you are trying to say?? I don't know if you're referring to my post, but the facts of Sep. 11 are clear, muslims did it in the name of "god". If you are referring to something else, sorry.

Sorry lost2much but if I explain it, I'm afraid I would most certainly "offend" someone in doing so..:cool:

I will say this though for those that are so easily offended, you probably should stay out of the political threads if you are truly that easily offended!
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Well I'm with Jod on this one......I don't usually post on political stuff, but I do have a few things to say and they aren't really political in nature. ;) I'm the first to admit that I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to politics and I choose to keep it that way as I hate the whole dirty business. I despise people who twist facts and distort truth for their own agenda. In the world we live in it's very difficult to know who and what is the real truth as we are bombarded with BS from all around. I have a strong sense of justice and I'm proud to be a southerner and yes I'm a little bit redneck and yes I even grew up in a southern baptist church, but I don't remember anyone teaching hate or intolerance, we were just people and I sure did see a lot of love and not alot of judgement. :D With that said.....I'm proud of my background, I'm proud that I came from the people that I did. I was not taught hate, nor was I taught to dislike someone that was different than me, nor was I taught that the color of someone's skin was the summation of that person. So many wrongs and rights have been done in the name of religion but when it's all said and done, every man and woman will answer for themselves, if they believe in a higher being.

Now with that out of the way.....I tend to think that kauphy posted this either because she truly believes in the majority of what she posted or else she is sitting back having a great big ole grin and laugh fest at the chaos. :)
 
the title was a typo my little girl was talking to me and i was looking at her and trying to type at the sametime and i hit post before i notice what had happened and i don,t know how to change it. guys i just wanted ur viwes on this. and today it seems i sometimes get an error thing when i try to post. so no i did,nt leave kakata.
 
Well I'm with Jod on this one......I don't usually post on political stuff, but I do have a few things to say and they aren't really political in nature. ;) I'm the first to admit that I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to politics and I choose to keep it that way as I hate the whole dirty business. I despise people who twist facts and distort truth for their own agenda. In the world we live in it's very difficult to know who and what is the real truth as we are bombarded with BS from all around. I have a strong sense of justice and I'm proud to be a southerner and yes I'm a little bit redneck and yes I even grew up in a southern baptist church, but I don't remember anyone teaching hate or intolerance, we were just people and I sure did see a lot of love and not alot of judgement. :D With that said.....I'm proud of my background, I'm proud that I came from the people that I did. I was not taught hate, nor was I taught to dislike someone that was different than me, nor was I taught that the color of someone's skin was the summation of that person. So many wrongs and rights have been done in the name of religion but when it's all said and done, every man and woman will answer for themselves, if they believe in a higher being.

Now with that out of the way.....I tend to think that kauphy posted this either because she truly believes in the majority of what she posted or else she is sitting back having a great big ole grin and laugh fest at the chaos. :)

no i,m not sitting back laughing i,m not that kind of a person and i really don,t agree with half of what was in that letter other then the 9/11 and the shooting at fort hood. i,m doing something for a school thing and i should have put a diffdent title on this but see my other post as to why it came out the way it did. i needed diffdent viwes on something and this is the only thing i could find that kind of fitted what i needed the viwes on.
 
Jeeze us krist, chill the phuck out...ok...read what I just posted in my last post above and do some freaking research and maybe you too will understand what I said...:rolleyes:
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It must be so wonderful to know all and see all Rob, who the as you put it, Phuck are you?

Me thinks that hat on your Avi is too small for thy head:rolleyes:

Laurie
 
dont do politics either but i have to get out what i think is true.

why do people think that a muslim or a jew or any other race cannot run this country . they would not be in office if so many americans did not think he would do the job right . i am so sick and tired of people bashing obama i think he has done a superb job so far including the health care thing.(my opinion) but i was not happy when both president bushes was in office it was more hard time then it was now. i was there on september 11th in new york right in manahatan i seen everything i was proud to be an american when i saw president bush standing infront of all those firefighters and saying we will beat this. but then there after months later everything about his fakeness and his lies and so forth many americans just could not stand what he was. what he really was fighting for and who he had been with prior to 9/11 (yes osama himself). i am so proud to be an american even though i been a muslim all my life. dont think that being a muslim that all muslims are the same . its kinda like saying a black man stole my car now all black man is to blame. we live to be together and we should all be proud to live in america.
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no i,m not sitting back laughing i,m not that kind of a person and i really don,t agree with half of what was in that letter other then the 9/11 and the shooting at fort hood. i,m doing something for a school thing and i should have put a diffdent title on this but see my other post as to why it came out the way it did. i needed diffdent viwes on something and this is the only thing i could find that kind of fitted what i needed the viwes on.

OK.....then I still go with my first post in this thread. If you are going to post something controversial such as that, you should include your own view, otherwise people will just assume that IT IS your view."
 
On the lighter side........a true southerner will say......bless their heart before they say something a little mean or snarky about someone. I suppose somehow that is supposed to make it all alright. lol
Example........Gee that dress sure is ugly....well bless her heart. :D
 
If we have to get down to the brass tactics here Rob, i guess im more toward the center , there are things that i believe in and others i dont that would exclude me from saying im 100% right wing.

We have had this talk before and you know how i feel on certain matters, such as a parents right to know if their daughter is taken to get an abortion from the same school that wont give her an aspirin for a headache.

I will leave you with this news article, your a parent and there are parents on this forum, maybe you can see why i think there should be less goverment in our personal lives, just not with our children but everyday life in general, including gambling online, ect. P.S tax dollars paid for whats in the article btw.
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Laurie

See, there you go again...where did you get that fact from?

Emily Friedman is a Writer/Reporter for ABCNews.com

Don't you think that ABC News paid her for that article and what's in it?

Or were you trying to say that tax dollars paid for the abortion that the young lady had that is discussed in the article?

It's mis-statements like that one you made above that the right wing propaganda machine uses everyday to disseminate and distort the true facts.
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On the lighter side........a true southerner will say......bless their heart before they say something a little mean or snarky about someone. I suppose somehow that is supposed to make it all alright. lol
Example........Gee that dress sure is ugly....well bless her heart. :D


Well Bless your lil ole pea pickin heart BB:D

That was a compliment btw

Laurie
 
Thanks Jod, but I swear it gripes my azz to no end when some of these peeps here post some of this $hit and make these, IMO, ludicrous statements without having any basis or facts or knowledge whatsoever to back them up...ya know..:cool:
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You need to learn tolerance, my friend. It takes all kinds and it is all kinds that make up our great country.

Know what, I was going to carry on with this but I'm not. I am a southerner and proud of it. As far as 'right wing whatever', I am siding with Kakata. I am a right wing lover too.

Anniemac, you should say it. You are intelligent and well thought of here. Do not be afraid to state your thoughts. They are every bit as valid as anyone else's thoughts.

If we have to get down to the brass tactics here Rob, i guess im more toward the center , there are things that i believe in and others i dont that would exclude me from saying im 100% right wing.

We have had this talk before and you know how i feel on certain matters, such as a parents right to know if their daughter is taken to get an abortion from the same school that wont give her an aspirin for a headache.

I will leave you with this news article, your a parent and there are parents on this forum, maybe you can see why i think there should be less goverment in our personal lives, just not with our children but everyday life in general, including gambling online, ect. P.S tax dollars paid for whats in the article btw.

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Laurie

I agree, Lauriejim! We have lost our common sense values on certain things. It will take some tough legislation to balance the scales on many issues. Excellent article, I think.

Sorry lost2much but if I explain it, I'm afraid I would most certainly "offend" someone in doing so..:cool:

I will say this though for those that are so easily offended, you probably should stay out of the political threads if you are truly that easily offended!
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Come on, Rob! Don't act like this. Once again you are being condescending. I think you should explain. You are being offensive by stating you "most certainly would "offend" someone if you explained your thoughts. we are all grownups here, ya know. ;)
 
See, there you go again...where did you get that fact from?

Emily Friedman is a Writer/Reporter for ABCNews.com

Don't you think that ABC News paid her for that article and what's in it?

Or were you trying to say that tax dollars paid for the abortion that the young lady had that is discussed in the article?

It's mis-statements like that one you made above that the right wing propaganda machine uses everyday to disseminate and distort the true facts.
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So where does a school get their funding from ? ABC news was used in that post, they are a reliable source and fair and balanced, yes?

Laurie
 
So where does a school get their funding from ? ABC news was used in that post, they are a reliable source and fair and balanced, yes?

Laurie

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China or what you said.... "P.S tax dollars paid for whats in the article btw."

ABC news paid for whats in the article....correct?

Tax dollars paid for the abortion...correct?

Now do you see my point of mis-statements of fact?
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What does that have to do with the price of tea in China or what you said.... "P.S tax dollars paid for whats in the article btw."

ABC news paid for whats in the article....correct?

Tax dollars paid for the abortion...correct?

Now do you see my point of mis-statements of fact?
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Look Rob, i still love ya like a big bro, you know that and im sorry if i said some things that was out of line but you did as well or it was taken that way by me, i dont want to keep up this argument with you, its crap like this that ends good forum friendships and i will be the first to say im sorry for acting like a horses behind.

Im also sorry for the wise crack about your avi hat, was kinda funny tho, in a big bro , lil sis ,sorta spat..........friends? :D

Laurie
 
Look Rob, i still love ya like a big bro, you know that and im sorry if i said some things that was out of line but you did as well or it was taken that way by me, i dont want to keep up this argument with you, its crap like this that ends good forum friendships and i will be the first to say im sorry for acting like a horses behind.

Im also sorry for the wise crack about your avi hat, was kinda funny tho, in a big bro , lil sis ,sorta spat..........friends? :D

Laurie

Yes, it was funny...:D And thats why I said what I said and in the way I said it...a big bro...litl sis sort of way...

Friends?...of course silly girl...;):)
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Sorry, but I have to go back to this statement also since I really don't believe that you truly know who the "right wing Christian" peeps are Annie.

Bryan said "Sounds like right wing Christian propaganda if you ask me" and then you state that you agree with what CM posted but not with what I posted...which is entirely your prerogative, for sure but still...

that right there tells me that you do not truly understand who the 'right wing' of the Christian propaganda movement are!
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They are the exact opposite to the extreme left wing propaganda pushers presently running this country.

ok that's it I'm with jod and don't do politics.
 
Kauphy why don't you quit throwing stones and hiding your hand. You're always posting some article you found or quoting what somebody else said and it's always 100% negative regarding this administration and democrats.

How many more articles are you going to bring back from the tea party. Quit using excuses and tell us how ya really feel...you feel me!!

Playing innocent isn't going to cut it.
 

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