North Korea and US politics

[vorcirion]

So what you are saying is, if someone is talking respectfully to you, or perhaps not even directly towards you - but doesn't agree with you.. you resort to childish insults.
Perhaps you better call for more "lefties" again,. If you're lucky and they come to your aid, despite them likely having no idea why you're acting like an idiot, they might well naturally gather around you and act childish as well (as has been seen many times), giving you the support you obviously need.

you are 1 vile, insufferable human being.. you really are.

You really should go to talk to someone who can help you. I'm sure there are some services for people like you too.

 

[TheAddict]

That's the kind of evasive reply i was waiting for.
Pathetic.

 

[goatwack]

Oh bloody hell, I'd just booked you two in for the Friendship Tour 2019 as headliners

Now I have to cancel and get Ant & Dec instead

 

[vorcirion]

Oh bloody hell, I'd just booked you two in for the Friendship Tour 2019 as headliners

Now I have to cancel and get Ant & Dec instead

Yeah sorry. My long hair would freak him out...can't help it. He'd probably shoot me with all those guns he had bought just in case he sees some black people.

 

[slotplayer]

I heard 2.6 trillion dollars a year recently but that was from a major news source. Your 3.2 trillion number wouldn't surprise me either. The accounting of the US government is what bean counters like to call "creative". The numbers are "adjusted" to suit agendas this much is certain. The Pentagon hasn't been audited for a crazy amount of time This is supposed to happen soon.

They were missing 5 trillion dollars and a full audit was supposed to happen I believe September 12, 2011. This did not happen as the plains hit the Twin Towers then miraculously Building 7 which was not hit by a plane imploded and collapsed like a building demolition. All the documentation for the upcoming audit were in there conveniently.

In any event, anybody that denies the corruption and outright theft in government is a fool. In today's technology-driven World every single penny should be accounted for IMHO.



Mate that is out of line and simply a cheap shot. You should really educate yourself a lot more about America. It's crystal clear you believe what you wish without experiencing anything for yourself.

By all means, make yourself look like a fool all you want but goating others without making a logical clear debatable discussion is adolescent.

I only heard that on the Fox Business so I don't know how accurate it is, but its been repeated by many people.

 

[TheAddict]

@vorcicoriroriblahblah
Just wow. I can imagine you even smiling at your own comments, despite them being full of nothing but asumptions of which you just make up as you go along. Or pathetic insults when someone doesn't agree with your views.

I have a handheld .22 pellit gun, owned since a child. It's bloody aaccurate, so cut your hair if you come to the UK or you're going to be taken down.



God almighty... I'll say it again, then I'm done.

Pathetic.

 

[slotplayer]

You just love to blame immigrants about everything. If there's poverty...immigrants' fault. If there's violence...immigrants of course! Schools suck...immigrants! If you have such a great country with lot of wealth. Surely you can fix your country...if you have the will of course! But you don't. You don't have any solutions to anything. You can build your wall and don't let anybody in. You'll still have the same problems because people like you never have real solutions.

Are you having a bad day or something?

 

[The Dude]

I have a handheld .22 pellit gun, owned since a child. It's bloody aaccurate, so cut your hair if you come to the UK or you're going to be taken down.

Dude - that is a sure fire way to have holiday from the forum. Please don't go to the point of a meltdown. I know we al need outlets - but some things are better left unsaid. Please don't do that again.

 

[vorcirion]

Are you having a bad day or something?

I'm having a fine day. But you should try to offer some actual solutions. I mean do you have any other kind of solutions to your country's problems or is it all solved by building a wall? Like what's your plan to fix your healthcare system? What's your plan to fix your debt problem? Or how would you solve your country's gun violence?

 

[The Dude]

Yeah sorry. My long hair would freak him out...can't help it. He'd probably shoot me with all those guns he had bought just in case he sees some black people.

And that is bullshit too. How do you expect people to answer to that?

 

[vorcirion]

And that is bullshit too. How do you expect people to answer to that?

It's just what he said before when talking about some strong black people. But yeah I was out of line too. At least I didn't threat him.

 

[slotplayer]

I'm having a fine day. But you should try to offer some actual solutions. I mean do you have any other kind of solutions to your country's problems or is it all solved by building a wall? Like what's your plan to fix your healthcare system? What's your plan to fix your debt problem? Or how would you solve your country's gun violence?

Trump 2020, that's the solution.

 

[vorcirion]

Trump 2020, that's the solution.

Okay great. What are his solutions to those problems?

 

[goatwack]

Build a wall around the wall

 

[vorcirion]

Build a wall around the wall

Oh...so it's like a maze! Then people will be happy when playing there! Yeah that works.

 

[slotplayer]

Okay great. What are his solutions to those problems?

Ask him.

How can I email the president?
The White House is located at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20500 (see a map) and mail for the President, Vice President, First Lady, and staff can be sent to that address. You can also write to the President by visiting whitehouse.gov and fill out an online form to send a message to the White House.Mar 31, 2019

 

[vorcirion]

Ask him.

How can I email the president?
The White House is located at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20500 (see a map) and mail for the President, Vice President, First Lady, and staff can be sent to that address. You can also write to the President by visiting whitehouse.gov and fill out an online form to send a message to the White House.Mar 31, 2019

Oh I thought you were an insider and knew his solutions. Guess 4 years isn't enough to come up with something that might actually work. Maybe 4 more years will make his mind clearer. I mean he is a really smart guy and all.

 

[TheAddict]

Dude - that is a sure fire way to have holiday from the forum. Please don't go to the point of a meltdown. I know we al need outlets - but some things are better left unsaid. Please don't do that again.

Because he assumed i have guns, and somehow came to the conclusion people with long hair freak me out, so i was just being sarcastic by confirming his deluded assumptions. i should have added 10 eye rolling emojis to make sure it wouldn't be taken seriously, it was a reply to his assumptions, that's all . As you said, how does he expect anyone to reply to that?
And now he takes it as a threat? lol..

 

[Kroffe]

I feel like these topics are way to soft, and just create this friendly loveydovey feelings.
May i suggest male genital mutilation (circumcision i think they call it) as a topic?
Or perhaps abortion? Pro-life or Pro-choice?
Ill leave you to it.

 

[goatwack]

I have one of them toy guns where the flag comes out with "Boom"

Come to the UK and visit your nearest circus and I'll be there, waiting

 

[TheAddict]

It's just what he said before when talking about some strong black people. But yeah I was out of line too. At least I didn't threat him.

You are always out of line. Pretty much any argument started in here that i can remember, happened because you insulted Americans when there was no need whatsoever. You told me i have guns and i hate people like you who have long hair, both untrue. And you take it az a threat when i sarcastically pretend you are right.

Well played man, well played...

 

[vorcirion]

You are always out of line. Pretty much any argument started in here that i can remember, happened because you insulted Americans when there was no need whatsoever. You told me i have guns and i hate people like you who have long hair, both untrue. And you take it az a threat when i sarcastically pretend you are right.

Well played man, well played...

Yeah I'll just ignore you from now on. No further responses to you.

 

[pinnit2014]

Because he assumed i have guns, and somehow came to the conclusion people with long hair freak me out, so i was just being sarcastic by confirming his deluded assumptions. i should have added 10 eye rolling emojis to make sure it wouldn't be taken seriously, it was a reply to his assumptions, that's all . As you said, how does he expect anyone to reply to that?
And now he takes it as a threat? lol..

Stop trying to steal Harry's job

 

[TheAddict]

@vorcirion standard conclusion, i expected nothing less. But thanks, your evasive responses when you are called out for being a child, have become a repetative bore anyway.

 

[bowki]

What a heated atmosphere here today. I guess it’s because it’s over 96 degrees Fahrenheit hot at some places.


Like my ol grampa used to say back in the 80ies: Life is short, make sure to spend as many time as possible arguing about politics with strangers on the Internet.

 

[TheAddict]

Stop trying to steal Harry's job

I hoped the "God almighty..." would be sufficient i needed a head shaking in disbelief type of emoji tbh

 

[goatwack]

Stop trying to steal Harry's job

" " x 50

 

[goatwack]

 

[mack341]

The CBO, (congressional budget office) conservative estimate for medicare for all, $32 trillon over 10 years. About 3.2 trillion per year. The tax revenue collected per year is about $3.2 trillion. Couple that with effectively an open border and its a recipe for disaster.

How do you pay for the UK National Health? Do they take money out of each pay period? If so how much is it?

We have a tax called 'national insurance ' taken from your wages, plus the employer also pays a certain percent based on your earnings, that all goes direct to the govt. some of this money goes towards the NHS, most goes towards state benefits [pensions, unemployment benefit etc.. ] The majority cost of the nhs (80%) is funded through general taxation [i.e. whatever money the govt has got from all its various sources]

The annual cost of the nhs to the govt is approx 125 billion, for a country of 66 million, a prescription for medicine costs £9, if you've got a long term condition you can get a 12 month pre paid prescription which works out cheaper. bernie sanders went over to canada recently to compare the costs of medicines like insulin, in the uk diabetics get their diabetes medicine free because basically it's a life term condition.

So on these figures, the cost in the USA for a NHS style system could theoretically be £619 billion, for the same level of coverage. Obviously if we didn't have private healthcare taking up some of the slack [some employers provide private healthcare insurance too for their employees, tends to be in higher paid jobs though] the nhs costs would be higher.

just found these figures from the office of national statistics:

• Total current healthcare expenditure in 2016 was £191.7 billion, an increase of 3.6% on spending in 2015, when £185.0 billion was spent on healthcare in the UK.
• Government-financed healthcare expenditure accounted for 79.4% of total spending, £152.2 billion.

so that is total figure 191.7 billion for 66 million people, the US population is 327 million; therefore 4.95 greater; 4.95 x 191 = 946 billion pounds. [And there is massive wastage in the NHS here, loads of management costs, hiring agency nurses etc...]

On that basis somebody is doing very well out of the US's healthcare system if the approx cost to you of a medicare system for all would be 3.2 trillion dollars, taking into account the exchange rate, 2.56 trillion pounds. That's the equivalent of 2.7 times the whole cost of health in the uk, which would probably bankrupt us too.

If I was a politician in the USA, I'd propose cutting the defence budget [all those overseas bases for one] by about 25% and siphon that into helping americans earning under say 75k dollars a year [graduated]to afford health cover. That would seem a reasonable, pragmatic thing to do if you don't want an nhs style sytem but keep what you have.

I think the left is getting sidetacked into discussing free healthcare for all illegal immigrants, when even US citizens don't have this, of course that is going to increase the overall healthcare spending dramatically, the countries of origin should be billed if someone turns up needing treatment. There has to be a financial limit or constraint to how 'virtuous' political leaders want to be spending tax money [especially beyond the needs of your own citizens, isn't focusing on helping them 'virtuous' enough for them dems?]

 

[TheAddict]

What a heated atmosphere here today. I guess it’s because it’s over 96 degrees Fahrenheit hot at some places.


Like my ol grampa used to say back in the 80ies: Life is short, make sure to spend as many time as possible arguing about politics with strangers on the Internet.

Or in some cases, if you refuse to listen to anyone who doesn't agree with you, keep resorting to acting like a child in an attempt to bait them down to your level.

There has been debates in here for the most part. It is only one person who keeps making it unnecessarily personal, resulting in arguments. Im not American but I'm fed up with his petty random digs at them. Just no need, but time and time again, he simply can't resist.

 

[goatwack]

Given the anger and furore, I think at this point it's best we discuss South Korea

 

[pinnit2014]

Given the anger and furore, I think at this point it's best we discuss South Korea

I'll start.

They had a great World Cup in 2002.

 

[goatwack]

Son Heung-Min plays for Spurs and has a very slappable face

 

[slotplayer]

We have a tax called 'national insurance ' taken from your wages, plus the employer also pays a certain percent based on your earnings, that all goes direct to the govt. some of this money goes towards the NHS, most goes towards state benefits [pensions, unemployment benefit etc.. ] The majority cost of the nhs (80%) is funded through general taxation [i.e. whatever money the govt has got from all its various sources]

The annual cost of the nhs to the govt is approx 125 billion, for a country of 66 million, a prescription for medicine costs £9, if you've got a long term condition you can get a 12 month pre paid prescription which works out cheaper. bernie sanders went over to canada recently to compare the costs of medicines like insulin, in the uk diabetics get their diabetes medicine free because basically it's a life term condition.

So on these figures, the cost in the USA for a NHS style system could theoretically be £619 billion, for the same level of coverage. Obviously if we didn't have private healthcare taking up some of the slack [some employers provide private healthcare insurance too for their employees, tends to be in higher paid jobs though] the nhs costs would be higher.

just found these figures from the office of national statistics:

• Total current healthcare expenditure in 2016 was £191.7 billion, an increase of 3.6% on spending in 2015, when £185.0 billion was spent on healthcare in the UK.
• Government-financed healthcare expenditure accounted for 79.4% of total spending, £152.2 billion.

so that is total figure 191.7 billion for 66 million people, the US population is 327 million; therefore 4.95 greater; 4.95 x 191 = 946 billion pounds. [And there is massive wastage in the NHS here, loads of management costs, hiring agency nurses etc...]

On that basis somebody is doing very well out of the US's healthcare system if the approx cost to you of a medicare system for all would be 3.2 trillion dollars, taking into account the exchange rate, 2.56 trillion pounds. That's the equivalent of 2.7 times the whole cost of health in the uk, which would probably bankrupt us too.

If I was a politician in the USA, I'd propose cutting the defence budget [all those overseas bases for one] by about 25% and siphon that into helping americans earning under say 75k dollars a year [graduated]to afford health cover. That would seem a reasonable, pragmatic thing to do if you don't want an nhs style sytem but keep what you have.

I think the left is getting sidetacked into discussing free healthcare for all illegal immigrants, when even US citizens don't have this, of course that is going to increase the overall healthcare spending dramatically, the countries of origin should be billed if someone turns up needing treatment. There has to be a financial limit or constraint to how 'virtuous' political leaders want to be spending tax money [especially beyond the needs of your own citizens, isn't focusing on helping them 'virtuous' enough for them dems?]

The healthcare system has problems but there are some decent hospitals and doctors. Where I am Mass General Hospital is rated #2 in the country and #6 in the world.

I heard a short clip today from the debate last night. Warren said it already cost 3 trillion.

 

[Kroffe]

Given the anger and furore, I think at this point it's best we discuss South Korea

SOUTH?!?!

 

[imanorange]

No sense beating on a dead horse, I mean donkey. Sorry I had to throw that in there lol.

Politics is hard to discuss like adults sometimes, case in point the democrats at the (cough) debate the other night. Well enough of that rubbish.

For the most part, people on here at least stand their ground and credit must be given to anyone willing to own up to mistakes in banter. After all, we all make them daily some more than others.

Now for the proverbial "windup and the pitch" to coin an American baseball phrase. Seems they are NOT going to go after Comey for the petty lies and leaks everyone knows about. I wonder what could they have in store for him?

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More public education is needed before the real arsenal is dropped. Funny how Comey has nothing to say on his Twitter account except attacking Trump. What happened to him circling the wagons?

Again I say to the Dems, where are the solutions? The scary part is they have none and are not willing to be proactive for the country.

Case in point

Joe Biden: "Look, I hope the next debate we can talk about how we fix— our answers to fix the things that Trump has broken. Not how Barack Obama made all these mistakes. He didn't."

Arguing about who broke what, when... round and round we go. It's tough to break something that was never fixed in the first place.

Address the problems instead of blowing smoke for God's sake!

When cornered what does a rat do? Let's hope a lot of innocent people or anyone for that matter gets hurt.

 

[Kroffe]

No sense beating on a dead horse, I mean donkey. Sorry I had to throw that in there lol.

Politics is hard to discuss like adults sometimes, case in point the democrats at the (cough) debate the other night. Well enough of that rubbish.

For the most part, people on here at least stand their ground and credit must be given to anyone willing to own up to mistakes in banter. After all, we all make them daily some more than others.

Now for the proverbial "windup and the pitch" to coin an American baseball phrase. Seems they are NOT going to go after Comey for the petty lies and leaks everyone knows about. I wonder what could they have in store for him?

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More public education is needed before the real arsenal is dropped. Funny how Comey has nothing to say on his Twitter account except attacking Trump. What happened to him circling the wagons?

Again I say to the Dems, where are the solutions? The scary part is they have none and are not willing to be proactive for the country.

Case in point

Joe Biden: "Look, I hope the next debate we can talk about how we fix— our answers to fix the things that Trump has broken. Not how Barack Obama made all these mistakes. He didn't."

Arguing about who broke what, when... round and round we go. Fix the problems instead of blowing smoke for God's sake!

When cornered what does a rat do? Let's hope a lot of innocent people or anyone for that matter gets hurt.

Why do you hate innocent people, thats like the best kind of people.

 

[imanorange]

Why do you hate innocent people, thats like the best kind of people.

I don't hate anybody it accomplishes nothing.

Here's a name to remember Ezra Cohen-Watnick

 

[Kroffe]

I don't hate anybody it accomplishes nothing.

Here's a name to remember Ezra Cohen-Watnick

Then why do you want innocent people to get hurt?
My brain is already full of names, i will see if maybe i can forget one of the pokemons, and add ezra instead, but im not promising anything.

 

[vorcirion]

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Drain the swamp! Only the best and the brightest.

 

[mack341]

The healthcare system has problems but there are some decent hospitals and doctors. Where I am Mass General Hospital is rated #2 in the country and #6 in the world.

I heard a short clip today from the debate last night. Warren said it already cost 3 trillion.

Yeah I think the US hospitals look very good. According to a 2015 CNBC article I was reading the US govt is already spending more money per person than the uk govt on healthcare:

U.S. spending on government-sponsored health care was also significantly higher per capita than the other countries, “despite being the only country in the study without universal health coverage,” the Commonwealth Fund said.

The U.S. government spent $4,197 per person in 2013 on health care, primarily for

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benefits. That’s in contrast to the U.K., where all residents are covered by the National Health Service, and where the government’s health-care spend was just $2,802 per person.

So on that basis something is not right

 

[imanorange]

Then why do you want innocent people to get hurt?
My brain is already full of names, i will see if maybe i can forget one of the pokemons, and add ezra instead, but im not promising anything.

Sorry, my bad mate, I wrote it wrong it should say don't get hurt. Thanks for pointing that out. I write from the hip so mistakes of this nature can and shall be made. I chalk it up to age and all the babbling bullshit one hears these days.

Yeah I think the US hospitals look very good. According to a 2015 CNBC article I was reading the US govt is already spending more money per person than the uk govt on healthcare:

U.S. spending on government-sponsored health care was also significantly higher per capita than the other countries, “despite being the only country in the study without universal health coverage,” the Commonwealth Fund said.

The U.S. government spent $4,197 per person in 2013 on health care, primarily for

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benefits. That’s in contrast to the U.K., where all residents are covered by the National Health Service, and where the government’s health-care spend was just $2,802 per person.

So on that basis something is not right

I'd say that number is very nebulous and misleading. Was there anywhere in that article or elsewhere stating the age demographics? I seem to recall a bulk of medicare is for baby boomers and older generations.

I know lots of older folks in the States who take advantage of their Medicare benefits as they should. They earned it. With that said I've witnessed and heard how the hospitals jack up the prices when they know Medicare is flipping most of the bill. Who can afford close to $30,000 for a few days to a week?

It's a broken system and has been for a great many years but some people get better results than others. A lot of factors figure into what each person ends up getting.

 

[slotplayer]

Yeah I think the US hospitals look very good. According to a 2015 CNBC article I was reading the US govt is already spending more money per person than the uk govt on healthcare:

U.S. spending on government-sponsored health care was also significantly higher per capita than the other countries, “despite being the only country in the study without universal health coverage,” the Commonwealth Fund said.

The U.S. government spent $4,197 per person in 2013 on health care, primarily for

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benefits. That’s in contrast to the U.K., where all residents are covered by the National Health Service, and where the government’s health-care spend was just $2,802 per person.

So on that basis something is not right

Oranges' post is correct. There are 10,000 baby boomers retiring every day. I know two that just retired. I still have a few years. All going on Medicare.

The medicare only pays 80% and we have a big illegal immigration problem that use the hospitals as their primary care doctor not to mention having more the average 1.8 kids Americans have, this is what is driving the hospitals to overcharge.

 

[slotplayer]

No sense beating on a dead horse, I mean donkey. Sorry I had to throw that in there lol.

Politics is hard to discuss like adults sometimes, case in point the democrats at the (cough) debate the other night. Well enough of that rubbish.

For the most part, people on here at least stand their ground and credit must be given to anyone willing to own up to mistakes in banter. After all, we all make them daily some more than others.

Now for the proverbial "windup and the pitch" to coin an American baseball phrase. Seems they are NOT going to go after Comey for the petty lies and leaks everyone knows about. I wonder what could they have in store for him?

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More public education is needed before the real arsenal is dropped. Funny how Comey has nothing to say on his Twitter account except attacking Trump. What happened to him circling the wagons?

Again I say to the Dems, where are the solutions? The scary part is they have none and are not willing to be proactive for the country.

Case in point

Joe Biden: "Look, I hope the next debate we can talk about how we fix— our answers to fix the things that Trump has broken. Not how Barack Obama made all these mistakes. He didn't."

Arguing about who broke what, when... round and round we go. It's tough to break something that was never fixed in the first place.

Address the problems instead of blowing smoke for God's sake!

When cornered what does a rat do? Let's hope a lot of innocent people or anyone for that matter gets hurt.

You keep mentioning Obama, just so you know he's the holy grail to many members here.

 

[Kroffe]

Sorry, my bad mate, I wrote it wrong it should say don't get hurt. Thanks for pointing that out. I write from the hip so mistakes of this nature can and shall be made. I chalk it up to age and all the babbling bullshit one hears these days.

Well its a bit late now.
I have already been out hurting innocent people since i thought that would make you happy.


I kind of assumed you meant to say don't.
maybe my way of pointing it out was a bit vague.

 

[Kroffe]

Oranges' post is correct. There are 10,000 baby boomers retiring every day. I know two that just retired. I still have a few years. All going on Medicare.

The medicare only pays 80% and we have a big illegal immigration problem that use the hospitals as their primary care doctor not to mention having more the average 1.8 kids Americans have, this is what is driving the hospitals to overcharge.

But lets be real here... 1.8 American kids eat as much as 3.4 Mexican kids.
Uncalled for dig at America, come at me @adamtheaddict

 

[TheAddict]

I can see the reason for your comment. But don't push it, Kroffe.

 

[Kroffe]

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I can see the reason for your comment. But don't push it, Kroffe.

Why dont you come over for dinner, and we can settle our differences with a nice meal and some chianti.
You dont need to bring anything...

 

[slotplayer]

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I can see the reason for your comment. But don't push it, Kroffe.

Death Wish and Dexter, my favorites to.

 

[imanorange]

Well its a bit late now.
I have already been out hurting innocent people since i thought that would make you happy.


I kind of assumed you meant to say don't.
maybe my way of pointing it out was a bit vague.

That is why most of my buddies are English. They know how to bust balls tactfully and have a laugh. Well done thanks for the chuckle.

You keep mentioning Obama, just so you know he's the holy grail to many members here.

I gathered as much... He's the worse thing that happened to the USA by far for a very long time. I hope the real truth comes out and he gets what he deserves. To think I actually wished the guy would do well for the sake of the people when he was elected. Here's a rational question, how does a guy with far less than a million before taking office come out with 40 million?

He is an entirely different discussion I'll leave it at that.

I suppose Michael, I mean Michelle is a woman too. Even Obama slipped several times in speeches saying Michael instead of Michelle.



I wonder what that is between her legs. There are hundreds of other instances... Seek and ye shall find. Her book was telling "Becoming Michelle Obama" To each his or her own but no need to lie about it.