nirankali vs King Billy Casino

nirankali

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King Billy Casino is breaching there weekly cashback policy by not paying my funds that I am rightfully deserved. They are claiming that winning amount in there cashback terms and conditions is total bet winnings, which is gross winnings, but I have researched high and low and found through other weekly cashback policies its always calculated by net winnings. now they refuse to pay me the correct cashback for two weeks.

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Rs.Kingbilly

Accredited Casino Representative
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Jun 20, 2017
Location
Ukraine
Dear Niran,

You got way more Cashback that you deserved, we gave all details you already, if you insist I can repost our last reply here. Casback is calculated automatically and everyone is getting it in a proper way, and, you are the one, who wants on loss of $250 - around 7k Cashback. It doesn't make any sense.
We have already stated in our previous reply about calculation: Prince Cashback Formula: Total bet sum – Winning total Amount – Issued Bonuses *0,1. The "winning total amount" is way more than our Prince states.
 

Gaz237

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chelmsford UK
Dear Niran,

You got way more Cashback that you deserved, we gave all details you already, if you insist I can repost our last reply here. Casback is calculated automatically and everyone is getting it in a proper way, and, you are the one, who wants on loss of $250 - around 7k Cashback. It doesn't make any sense.
We have already stated in our previous reply about calculation: Prince Cashback Formula: Total bet sum – Winning total Amount – Issued Bonuses *0,1. The "winning total amount" is way more than our Prince states.
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nirankali

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so your saying my deposit was 250 but when my deposit for that week was 8k, my question was are you calculation net wins or gross wins. and you never replied to me who your adr was so we can settle this matter. I have all the game logs to prove it. you keep switching your story. again you keep dodging the question of who your adr is, and we can settle the matter, is it The Pogg because I have filed a complaint with them with all the info. you make no sense the question still remains unanswered??
 
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nirankali

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so the calculations for Oct 21 - 27, 2020
deposit=16k
($641,961-$290,712.7-0)*0.1= $35,124.9
since I can only get $7500 max for cash back
that week I got $4,266.27 - $7500= 3233.73

so I am owed $3233.73 CAD

and for Oct 28 - Nov 02, 2020
deposit=8k
($774,506.05-$333,435.25-$483)*0.1=$44,063.28
since I can only get $7500 max for cashback
667.09-7500=$6,832.91 CAD

weekly cashback on total bet losses that I have looked up everywhere are based on net winnings, not gross winnings. I have looked far and wide on total bet losses cashback schemes. I have logs to prove it.

Well if I'm gambling on live baccarat and I bet $1500, and I win, I get back $3000. Because when I made that initial bet of $1500, it was withdrawn out of my balance and then when I won I got $3000, but in reality I only won $1500.

My total Bet sum= $1500,

My gross winning amount = $3000

My net winning amount = $1500


I have a question for the admin here, I filed a complaint with The Pogg is that the adr for King Billy casino curaçao, or is it casinomieter! what ruslan is calculating is gross winnings anyone reading this can they help me with a clearer info if they are supposed to calculate net or gross. net loss has nothing to do with calculations its total bet loss for that week. so please someone help me out!
 

dionysus

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I have a question for the admin here, I filed a complaint with The Pogg is that the adr for King Billy casino curaçao, or is it casinomieter! what ruslan is calculating is gross winnings anyone reading this can they help me with a clearer info if they are supposed to calculate net or gross. net loss has nothing to do with calculations its total bet loss for that week. so please someone help me out!

@maxd
 

paul7388

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I really do not get how you work things out.

For the week you deposited 8k no matter how you try to explain it the most losses you could have would be 8k. And even if they were offering generous 10% back on all losses that would be $800.

So how you can come up with the figures i will never know.

Think it is down to you not understanding how bets work. If you bet $150 on an even money shot the winnings are $150 not $300.

So if you are using that method no wonder you are expecting loads of cash back. But simple maths for anyone will tell you if you have a starting balance of 8k you can not lose more than that.

But sure the Pogg will explain all this when the claim is unsuccessful.
 

L&L-Jan

Affiliate Manager for Accredited Casinos
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Location
Malta
Sorry to be a joy breaker...

When you say I deposit $16k

How can the sum be: ($641,961-$290,712.7-0)

This would result in a deposit of: $351.249. Thats a nice sum, please check links in my signature for a great casino for canadians to play at.

It is impossible to bet $641k and win $290k. A few more deposits are required to accomplish that.

From how i read it...

bets - wins - bonus costs = x *.01 = cashback.

You cant simply bet: $641k - win $290k - the sum stops there as it doesnt add up vs deposited amounts.

Kr. Jan
 

nirankali

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the weekly cashback is not based on net losses and thats what you guys are doing. its based on total bet sum losses that week
so my deposit has nothing to do with it its only based on e weekly total bet losses. but yeah I submitted a complaint to The Pogg and its caracao license
 

nirankali

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You are creating a negative vibe by accusing people of what they are not - don't act like a jerk
where in the cashback pic above states net loss, your an affiliate who is prob just backing up another affiliate so your voice does't count to me.
 

paul7388

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the weekly cashback is not based on net losses and thats what you guys are doing. its based on total bet sum losses that week
so my deposit has nothing to do with it its only based on e weekly total bet losses. but yeah I submitted a complaint to The Pogg and its caracao license
Okay to sum it up in simplest terms.

Forget specific amounts.

It is Impossible to have total bet losses of more than you start with. If i deposit £50 just. No matter how many games i play or whatever games they are i can not end up with a total loss of more than £50.

If we are just going to take total losing bets and disregard any winning bets then the casino would be bust in no time if they followed that method of thinking.
 

nirankali

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so explain to me how I got 4200 in the first week for cash back they did exactly that but they added in gross wins not net wins. and you see how its total bet losses key words buddy. I rather have admin give me clear info then you guys. sorry!
 

Gaz237

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where in the cashback pic above states net loss, your an affiliate who is prob just backing up another affiliate so your voice does't count to me.

Jan is not an affiliate.

Plus if you start accusing one of the most respected members here., you will shown the door rather quickly.

so explain to me how I got 4200 in the first week for cash back they did exactly that but they added in gross wins not net wins. and you see how its total bet losses key words buddy. I rather have admin give me clear info then you guys. sorry!

You have been given answers by experts in the casino field.

The fact you don't like those answers is tough, Your idea on the figures are bonkers.

I guess you have already been told that over on the POGG, so now you are trying to find the answer you want to hear, here.

Good luck with that.
 

nirankali

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Not cool - please chill out
what door lol will I be existing, lol, I haven't disrespected anyone and you seem a little angry for, I still haven't heard from The Pogg yet but wanted to clear this up with the admin here and if they and Pogg make a final decisions then I will be quiet until then why don't you exit the back door please and thank you
 

Gaz237

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what door lol will I be existing, lol, I haven't disrespected anyone and you seem a little angry for, I still haven't heard from The Pogg yet but wanted to clear this up with the admin here and if they and Pogg make a final decisions then I will be quiet until then why don't you exit the back door please and thank you

So you join this forum, but think it's members are not good enough to answer you.

Go on to accuse a well respected Casino representative of looking after his own.

Do you not think that you have peed off members and disrespected a rep?

The sites admin are not just here for your queries and is a case like this, members may be in a better position to answer your question.

But seeing as your not interested in members answers, take a hike.
 

nirankali

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hey I'm not trying to be rude and piss anyone off ok. but I rather deal with this in a civil manner hopefully The Pogg will clear this up so, I would like to apologize if I wrongly accused anyone or made anyone angry. I am not trying to do that. so why don't we just end this convo here at that, and wait for the answers . I haven't heard back from The Pogg as of yet so I was wondering if they could handle a complaint from curaçao casino. its been 9 days no reply so I was just wondering if they handle these cases.
 

maxd

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@nirankali :
  1. Casinomeister IS the membership. Many of the members know as much or more that we do about particular aspects of the industry. Diss and disregard the membership at your own loss.
  2. Jan is not an affiliate:
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  3. If your case is already in progress at ThePogg then let it run it's course. They're good people and will do the right thing. And yes, they can handle cases for a Curacao casino as professionally as we can.
 
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nirankali

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yes its I progress, o ok bc after I made the complaint I saw that this casino was curaçao license and thought maybe they don't handle these cases but thank you again maxd,
 
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