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New UK laws prohibit autoplaying more than 25 spins a time

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by fun4all, Sep 23, 2014.

    Sep 23, 2014
  1. fun4all

    fun4all Senior Member

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    Awful rule if you ask me but from what I understand this will be the case from 1st October.

    Way to go UK gambling commission :rolleyes:
     
  2. Sep 23, 2014
  3. PaaskeDKnowUK

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    Not with auto mouse click programs. Works exact the same :thumbsup:
     
  4. Sep 23, 2014
  5. fun4all

    fun4all Senior Member

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    Careful if you win a jaguar ;)
     
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  6. Sep 23, 2014
  7. fun4all

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    Hmmm had a PM from a nice person (who will remain nameless unless they wish to post in this thread themselves).

    Says this rule no longer applies and will be removed shortly.

    Lets hope so and apologies if the info in the OP is wrong.
     
  8. Sep 23, 2014
  9. petro

    petro Dormant account, per user request PABnoaccred2 PABaccred

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    Here in Australia auto-play on land based slots have been banned for about 10 years.

    Although, from reading this tread it's unclear if this discussion is about land based or online slots.
     
  10. Sep 23, 2014
  11. Richas

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    Hmm, the rule still exists. The UKGC have said they will not apply it until further notice and the rules will be consulted upon but that does not mean they are dropping this completely.

    See their clarification here:

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

     
  12. Sep 23, 2014
  13. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    This 25 game limit is being rolled out by Microgaming. I first found it at Betway, but it's spreading fast.

    There is a new "Viper UK" variant of the client, and 25 limit autoplay is only one of the UK specific changes.

    Of course, it can be circumvented by mouse click programs, a more advanced mouse, such as a gaming mouse, will have autoclick as a built in function.

    The intent behind it is to keep the player in control, and Microgaming USED to have functionality in it's autoplay that allowed the player to set loss limits and win limits for autoplay (it's still there in the old games). It is Microgaming that removed this level of control from the player, and the UKGC that told them to put it back. Unfortunately, what has been put back is a 25 game limit, rather than the REAL control the software used to offer.

    The latest games of all come with even LESS in the way of options. The "stop on win" has been hidden behind a second button (custom), and the option for "infinite autoplay" has been added (until stop).

    Other rules, when implemented, seem likely to outlaw those "wager race" type promotions as they drive players to out play each other, offering the greatest prize to the player that gambles the most. Instead, more use will need to be made of tournaments, such as the MPV offered by Microgaming. If the UKGC are really on the ball, they will ban those "999 continues" events, as these are effectively wager races where you buy your way to the top.
     
  14. Sep 23, 2014
  15. fun4all

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    They also have to display the RTP for every game. I just had a look around 32red but that is not happening yet?
     
  16. Sep 23, 2014
  17. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    I checked this too, but it doesn't appear to have been placed in the help file.

    It's the multi platform providers that are starting to comply with this requirement.

    Whether or not this is a breach of regulations depends on when the publication of RTP requirement comes into force. The 25 autoplay requirement has gone back to consultation, but where it has been implemented, it will probably stay until a different requirement is announced.
     
  18. Sep 24, 2014
  19. Richas

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    When the Remote Technical Standard is consulted upon you really should do a submission. The format will be that they will make a proposal (possibly with options) and ask a series of questions. Seems as though you could help by putting a player perspective - the risk with consultations is that only the industry or those focussed exclusively on problem gambling like care providers or campaign groups/charities like the Samaritans - those who have paid staff able to spend the time on it. The ordinary player voice can just get missed out completely.
     
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  20. Sep 24, 2014
  21. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    How do players (in general) find out about these consultations?

    It seems it's up to the players to know the procedure and second guess what is about to happen, whereas the vested interests have it served to them on a plate due to their high level contacts with the UKGC.

    Good thing therefore that this forum has yourself, as you seem to be keeping an eye on what is mostly obscured from the view of the ordinary player.

    Part of the problem is the consultation document itself, it's HUGE (as last time). One really needs an organisation with a "team" to tackle it. The format puts the individual player off.

    I'll keep my eyes open though.

    One benefit of the change has been that I have more time on my hands due to so many of my usual haunts making a dash for the exit, rather than for the licence.
     
  22. Sep 24, 2014
  23. Richas

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    UKGC announce them, they do a press release, put it on their website, they include it in their regular newsletter and they have a twitter account that pushes out info but does not reply to anything.

    It's easy to find out about them but you are right that they tend to be big, long, boring documents that would put most off. Also the devil is really in the detail. If you don't participate in the sorts of promotions you mention, or have experience of the bonuses etc it is difficult to input sensibly about the precise wording of the regulations that should apply, especially as they tend to be a bit general/open to allow for innovation.
     
  24. Sep 24, 2014
  25. randomiam

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    memories

    in Victoria they used to autoplay till feature's if you help the button down used to just jam a card down the side of the button and off it went

    still works on some machines
     
  26. Sep 24, 2014
  27. maxd

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    FYI this is the word that's been passed to us through official channels:
     
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  28. Sep 24, 2014
  29. vinylweatherman

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    I'll check the Betway client next time I see an update get triggered. I know the 25 limit has been rolled out there along with a few other UK specific changes.

    I expect players would have sought ways to override the limit in any case, much like the players who stuck the buttons down on the b&m game.

    The usual limit for Microgaming is 500, with a set of choices between 5 and 500, plus the ability to type a specific number in between 1 and 500, or 1 and 9999 in some versions and games.

    Of more concern is the "until stop" button on the newest releases, this really does take all safety mechanisms away, with the gaming only stopping when the player presses "stop", or they bust out.
     
  30. Sep 24, 2014
  31. catapultaudio

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    I always took 'Til Stop' to mean 'Until Feature' - thats definitely how it seems to work on MG games?

    Also worth mentioning is that PokerStars are removing auto top-up and auto-rebuy from their poker client - UK players will need to use a new Pokerstars UK client with these features removed in order to play. UK players remain part of the main player pool though, thank the lord!
     
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  33. fun4all

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    Yep I cannot see it on download clients either and it is definitely part of the new regulation.

    Microgaming have resisted for years putting the correct RTP of their slots in the download client. Now its going to be part of the regulations here so let's see the figures Microgaming.

    Sadly not surprising to me the 25 autoplay rule was implemented and adhered to before this retraction but this RTP display has not been done yet.

    However there is still a week to go.
     
  34. Sep 24, 2014
  35. Richas

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    Likely desperately hoping that the GBGA judicial review in the high court today and tomorrow throws them a lifeline (not a hope IMHO but with lawyers who knows?)

    When the GBGA argue this legislation is not about consumer protection the UKGC can just point to the RTP disclosure rule and say...there you go, proof it is about consumer protection....
     
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  36. Sep 24, 2014
  37. fun4all

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    Ahh did not realise that was going on today, thanks Richas. If you could give us some cliffs on the proceedings/outcomes that would be very much appreciated.

    I don't think any legal challenges to this have a hope either by the way. However it is most definitely not about consumer protection, it is about tax and tax only.

    I would have a lot more respect if they admitted that. They never will, but it is the truth.
     
  38. Sep 25, 2014
  39. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Does this not mean that UK players are at a disadvantage in what is mostly a game of skill, strategy, and timeliness?
     

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