NEW SLOT Artic Treasure Adventure.... STAY COOL

[Tirilej]

Medium variance.

Are you really sure?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well I'm back at 3Dice after a LoooooooonG break from there (They sent me a pretty good 'we haven't seen you for a while' bonus offer via email, which I took up via Live Chat, which in typical 3Dice fashion was attended to very quickly.)

It's been nice to fire up the 3Dice client again and get back into their slots, because they are unique.

Even with all the new slots to play I couldn't resist firing up Super Suits + first (which I still think has one of the most genius free spins round ever with the quad-spin play), which boosted my bankroll a bit with a couple of decent bonus rounds and I'm now playing Arctic Treasure Adventure.

Only about 1000 spins in it up to now but I'd say it's one of their higher variance slots, and I can certainly imagine that a chunk of the RTP is tied up in that '10 plus 10' top tier bonus round, rather like Fortune Falls with the five scatters.

I've only had one free spins round in my 1000 spins, didn't get to the Ice Queen but did get to the tier below, 20 spins at 8x which paid about 75x stake IIRC.

By 3Dice standards it's perhaps one of the harsher offerings in terms of bonus round offerings, but as someone who's spent a fair amount of time with MG/Netent/WMS/etc higher variance slots, nothing out of the ordinary IMO, and seems to be a pretty decent slot. (And I'm also getting the feeling that Arctic Treasure likes to kick out decent wins on the base game with reasonable regularity, I've had a couple of 100x or better hits just with 5OAKs, although that could be pure good luck of course.)

I still wish they'd stick the T-RTP on the paytables though.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

OK this is settling down nicely now, had it rolling in TURBO mode (real money play) for a couple of hours at least.

Feature hit seems to be every 150-200 spins on average, which is perhaps into the realms of a higher variance slot, but there are more decent pays on the base game, which flattens it out a bit.

I'm not seeing anything off the scale crazy about it TBH, perhaps a bit of an unusual profile by 3Dice standards, but variance wise I think medium variance (high-medium IMO) could be about right.

Certainly one where you want to make sure you can camp out the spins required to be confident of a bonus round, but that's standard practice

EDIT - Oops, Enzo already kind of did this..... https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/new-slot-artic-treasure-adventure-stay-cool.53125/

 

[Greigssy]

I did not like this slot after this.
In the selection stage I got to the last step to get to the Queen my last pick was an arrow to progress but I needed one more pick after that for the 100x10 for some reason.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Yeah you need one more pick than you actually think you need, I got caught out by that too

Doesn't affect the payout of the slot at all, but is annoying when you think you've got to the queen but you haven't

 

[dionysus]

I did not like this slot after this.
In the selection stage I got to the last step to get to the Queen my last pick was an arrow to progress but I needed one more pick after that for the 100x10 for some reason.

besides, it isnt though it matters in any way what you pick

 

[Greigssy]

More annoying I got 2 and a half my bet for 19 spins with a 5x.

 

[nisosbar]

besides, it isnt though it matters in any way what you pick

Not clear to me. Wolfboy seemed to suggest that it didn't matter with regard to RTG slots, that the outcome was predetermined no matter what selections you made.

3Dice, on the other hand, has never stated one way or the other how their slots are designed to unfold, so it may very well depend upon how you pick.

 

[dionysus]

Not clear to me. Wolfboy seemed to suggest that it didn't matter with regard to RTG slots, that the outcome was predetermined no matter what selections you made.

3Dice, on the other hand, has never stated one way or the other how their slots are designed to unfold, so it may very well depend upon how you pick.

No. They've made a very clear stand. The bonus rounds/mini-games are just animations, pick and click or don't - same result. They freely admit this.

 

[nisosbar]

No. They've made a very clear stand. The bonus rounds/mini-games are just animations, pick and click or don't - same result. They freely admit this.

I wasn't aware of that. Do you happen to recall the thread here, or do you mean you know this from live chat?

 

[Nate]

Not clear to me. Dogboy seemed to suggest that it didn't matter with regard to RTG slots, that the outcome was predetermined no matter what selections you made.

3Dice, on the other hand, has never stated one way or the other how their slots are designed to unfold, so it may very well depend upon how you pick.

I corrected it for u

Nate

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Did well on my VIP bonus at 3Dice last night and today on my old favourites Payola and Super Suits+, made wagering easily and was able to withdraw my deposit back. Decided to play on with what I had left (about £80), Arctic Adventure took the whole lot at 25p spins, didn't hit a 20x stop trigger on the base game once, managed three bonus rounds, none of which paid more than 20x either, one of them paid 1x stake for 11 spins at a 5x multiplier!

Definitely got a harsh side to it this slot!

 

[Balthazar]

I wasn't aware of that. Do you happen to recall the thread here, or do you mean you know this from live chat?

The following was sent directly to Nifty from Dogboy. I was pretty disappointed to hear this TBH:

Yep, most pick features on-line work as follows:
1) If the reel stop locations (which are, as you know, determined individually and randomly) yield a trigger event, then display the pick feature
2) At the moment of trigger, the result of the pick sequence is then determined (prior to any picks being made). e.g.: If 5 spots are available to pick, it doesn't matter which one you choose, it will yield the randomly determined pick result that has already been decided
3) If this leads to free spins, each free spin is an individual event and its results are only determined when that individual free spin commences spinning

Many land-based (bricks & mortar) machines actually work the opposite way re the pick feature.
This is usually due to jurisdictional regulation, which often requires that a pick sequence not be pre-determined, or that results be randomly allocated on pick locations prior to the picks commencing.
So in B&M machines of this type, it's often the case that your picks will make a difference (this system operates in Australia as a matter of interest)

IMO online slots should stick to the same regulations as the brick and mortar slots. Not that it makes any difference on the RTP, but "pick me" on 3Dice (and probably others) is basically a waste of time.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/stopping-the-reels-make-a-difference.55710/

 

[weesie]

I had a decent hit the very first day on Arctic when it came on line.

Since then, it has been nothing but a money hole. A great big, gigantic money hole!

 

[akrus88]

It is definetily high variance from my short experience. 200xbet bankroll can be gone in 300 spins.
You should have at least 500xbet bankroll to quarantee some playtime. Ofcourse it is possible I have had extraordinary bad luck with it.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The following was sent directly to Nifty from Dogboy. I was pretty disappointed to hear this TBH:



IMO online slots should stick to the same regulations as the brick and mortar slots. Not that it makes any difference on the RTP, but "pick me" on 3Dice (and probably others) is basically a waste of time.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/stopping-the-reels-make-a-difference.55710/

See now I'm completely the opposite, all I want is a completely fair and random RNG behind the scenes picking the result for the game, thereafter I'm perfectly happy for everything to just be a superficial sound and light show.

You could argue it takes the fun out of a pick-me round if you know it's all pre-determined, but to me you're still getting the enjoyment insofar as you're revealing your result, and you don't know how good or bad that will be.

In fact, if anything I don't like the idea of there being 'wrong choices', I'm already starting on a losing ticket by going up against a random game with an inbuilt house edge, I don't want to be adding shitty picks into the equation as well! (And yes I realise that long term, RTP wise, it's all the same )

 

[Balthazar]

See now I'm completely the opposite, all I want is a completely fair and random RNG behind the scenes picking the result for the game, thereafter I'm perfectly happy for everything to just be a superficial sound and light show.

You could argue it takes the fun out of a pick-me round if you know it's all pre-determined, but to me you're still getting the enjoyment insofar as you're revealing your result, and you don't know how good or bad that will be.

In fact, if anything I don't like the idea of there being 'wrong choices', I'm already starting on a losing ticket by going up against a random game with an inbuilt house edge, I don't want to be adding shitty picks into the equation as well! (And yes I realise that long term, RTP wise, it's all the same )

That's two different issues though. Personally I always hated the pick-me bonuses because I don't like the idea that I can influence the outcome (same with "skill" based games/bonuses).

On the other hand, online casinos shouldn't take the liberty to put "make believe" things in their casinos. A false "pick-me" round is just that: a make believe. We've seen recently what can happen with a card game in a certain casino when the cards weren't acting like a player would expect them to do so. It just opens the door to abuse and there's absolutely no need to fool the players here (it's not doing anything other than feeding the tin foil hat wearers).

There's a reason why it's illegal in land-based casinos.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

That's two different issues though. Personally I always hated the pick-me bonuses because I don't like the idea that I can influence the outcome (same with "skill" based games/bonuses).

On the other hand, online casinos shouldn't take the liberty to put "make believe" things in their casinos. A false "pick-me" round is just that: a make believe. We've seen recently what can happen with a card game in a certain casino when the cards weren't acting like a player would expect them to do so. It just opens the door to abuse and there's absolutely no need to fool the players here (it's not doing anything other than feeding the tin foil hat wearers).

There's a reason why it's illegal in land-based casinos.

Card games are an entirely different matter though, and are covered exclusively in the licensing rules - if your game looks like a card game, it has to behave like a card game.

I don't think anyone has real-world experience of what picking emeralds on the yellow brick road should look and behave like

Also, I'd separate out 'pseudo-picks' from genuine skill. The Back Nine slot at Rival had a genuinely higher RTP if you got good enough at the skill mini-golf bonus round, and personally I thought that was a genius touch. If the player didn't like that, he could just not play it! (Well, it still does have a genuinely higher RTP dependent upon bonus round performance, but since they nerfed its payout from 'about 99' to 'about 95' it's nothing more than a money burning exercise.)

 

[Balthazar]

Card games are an entirely different matter though, and are covered exclusively in the licensing rules - if your game looks like a card game, it has to behave like a card game.

I don't think anyone has real-world experience of what picking emeralds on the yellow brick road should look and behave like

No, but a reasonable person would be led to believe that if the machine is asking them to pick an option then their pick is important. I'm simply against getting fooled and I don't like useless behaviour like that, it puts doubts in people's minds and then we all have to deal with the "see! I told you it's rigged!!".

 

[nisosbar]

The following was sent directly to Nifty from Dogboy. I was pretty disappointed to hear this TBH:



IMO online slots should stick to the same regulations as the brick and mortar slots. Not that it makes any difference on the RTP, but "pick me" on 3Dice (and probably others) is basically a waste of time.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/stopping-the-reels-make-a-difference.55710/

Thanks. I would point out only this, that Dogboy was an expert at RTG design only, and never (to my knowledge) contributed to the design of 3Dice slots, nor as far as I know to any other game designing shops.

I put in a question about this to support at 3Dice, and will get back to you here; alternatively, if Enzo or anyone else is reading this thread, feel free to pipe in - either way.

 

[dionysus]

Thanks. I would point out only this, that Dogboy was an expert at RTG design only, and never (to my knowledge) contributed to the design of 3Dice slots, nor as far as I know to any other game designing shops.

I put in a question about this to support at 3Dice, and will get back to you here; alternatively, if Enzo or anyone else is reading this thread, feel free to pipe in - either way.

As I've said; it's pre-determined. How do I know this? It isn't a guess. Enzo has said so. The actual software developer has stated so in the 3Dice chat..the mini-games are 'just for show'...you can't affect the outcome. If you can't trust what the guy who writes these games says, well, there's not much more beyond that that can be said.

 

[skiny]

It needs to be changed to say very high variance.

I guess I can stop saying "It's not medium variance" now.

 

[oasis53147]

Arctic





This one actually does pay off once a while........

 

[bvu2011]

I guess I can stop saying "It's not medium variance" now.

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Thats amazing, never knew they changed it!!!!

this is BVU2011 btw, hope all is well skiny!!

 

[dionysus]

Thats amazing, never knew they changed it!!!!

this is BVU2011 btw, hope all is well skiny!!

hi beev, nice to see ya in the forum

 

[skiny]

Thats amazing, never knew they changed it!!!!

this is BVU2011 btw, hope all is well skiny!!

Neither did I, actually. A little birdie told me.

So do I have to stop calling you B and start calling you J now?

 

[weesie]

ONCE in a GREAT, GREAT while............

 

[bvu2011]

hi beev, nice to see ya in the forum

Hi sweet Jay, ty...and I am still wondering if posting here is a good thing or not, for me anyway!!!
I was trying to figure out my bvu2011 account, but I cant, oh well dingy Donna LOL

 

[bvu2011]

Neither did I, actually. A little birdie told me.

So do I have to stop calling you B and start calling you J now?

Well, I would have not expected anything less silly man!!!

 

[skiny]

So do I have to stop calling you B and start calling you J now?

No BJ jokes? What is this forum coming to?

 

[bowlingbob]

Yeah its good they have finally taken notice and changed the variance setting under the games list but high still seems to low. I have hit just ONE bonus over my last couple thousand spins now on this slot in real money play and that bonus didn't come in until after 1400 or so spins. Over all those spins as well no major line hits have come in and I don't even want to know what my rtp is at on this slot. If I had to guess I'd say 25-30% This slot is a vacuum cleaner of money for most in real play at the casino. It seems it does pays out for a few lucky handful of people and most who seem to hit big it is at max bet judging from the screenies I've seen in chat. I recently got some stats and a few of my games the rtp over hundreds or thousands of spins is well below 50% Some of the games are so tough that if you never hit that rare top payout you have no chance of ever getting close to even 90% longterm payout. Fortune falls is a perfect example.

 

[akrus88]

The only problem with arctic is not the rarety of feature. But because of the way payout layout (that rimes, Im like a eminems twin!), feature very rarely returns anything even near to the "value" of the freespins.
I think I have had maybe 30 freespin rounds in it (tourne and real) and only once or twice it has returned above the value.
I do understand that is not a big sample but still it is the vibe Im getting from it.

 

[skiny]

Yeah its good they have finally taken notice and changed the variance setting under the games list but high still seems to low. I have hit just ONE bonus over my last couple thousand spins now on this slot in real money play and that bonus didn't come in until after 1400 or so spins. Over all those spins as well no major line hits have come in and I don't even want to know what my rtp is at on this slot. If I had to guess I'd say 25-30% This slot is a vacuum cleaner of money for most in real play at the casino. It seems it does pays out for a few lucky handful of people and most who seem to hit big it is at max bet judging from the screenies I've seen in chat. I recently got some stats and a few of my games the rtp over hundreds or thousands of spins is well below 50% Some of the games are so tough that if you never hit that rare top payout you have no chance of ever getting close to even 90% longterm payout. Fortune falls is a perfect example.

I said before you have to severely low roll this game. Even wagering 1% of your balance is risky. Personally, I think the variance ranks up there with PentaPay. At 20c per spin you need at least 4 of the top 3 paying symbols to win a dollar. The game basically relies on you getting 5 of something to get a decent win.

The game does have an abnormality in the pay table though. Unless I missed something the biggest difference in payouts between getting 4 oak and 5 oak in any other video slot game in this casino is about 13x. Most games average around 6 to 10x more for 5 oak over 4 oak for even for the highest paying symbols. A difference of 15x is pretty rare between 4 and 5 oak.

So what's the deal with these two I circled?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I am absolutely having the run from hell on this slot.

Now let me be clear I am NOT accusing 3Dice of shenanigans in any way whatsoever, random is as random does, and sometimes it's very nasty - I'm just having a bit of a vent

Got to the point with Arctic this evening where I felt compelled to ask for my stats. (As always at 3Dice there's a staff member in live chat 24h a day, so it's a quick and easy process.)

Anyway, check out these goddamn numbers

LAST 24 HOURS:

[b]24hours Arctic Spins - 3759 RTP - 56.57%[/b]

<<<<<< Brrrrrrrrr.

LAST 30 DAYS:

[b]30 days Arctic Spins - 13534 RTP - 76.74%[/b]

<<<<<<< Still not nice.

LIFETIME:

[b]life time Arctic Spins - 16323 RTP - 82.35%[/b]

<<<<<<< About 13% off T-RTP

Now then, in 16323 spins I haven't kissed the Ice Queen once, according to Enzo's post here the average number of spins to hit a bonus round is 145, and the chance to kiss the Ice Queen is 1/39 to 1/6 depending on the scatters trigger.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/new-slot-artic-treasure-adventure-stay-cool.53125/

So in my 16323 spins I'll have had around 113 bonus rounds, and I haven't kissed the Ice Queen in any of them, despite the 1/39 (or better) chance of doing so. (I've never had a five scatters trigger either, by the way.)

ARRRRGHHHHHH and literally as I'm typing this a four scatters trigger drops in, looking good to get to the Queen and then miss the arrow on every pick on the second from top level, get to the top level but no pick remaining to kiss the Queen. 26 spins at 7x pays awards a staggering...... 45x stake.

However, and this is where it's important to keep a perspective on these things, I also asked for my lifetime stats on Enchanted Spins, as I know I've done well on that slot.

LIFETIME STATS ON ENCHANTED SPINS:

[b]life time EnchantedSpins Spins - 37203 RTP - 100.22%[/b]

So, y'know, swings and roundabouts - but seriously, I'm hating Arctic Adventure right now.

I am also now insanely locked on target, so I'm going to camp this bastard thing out until it drops a serious win. Off the top of my head the best I've managed so far is in the low 300x stake (about 320x IIRC), I am going to kiss the Ice Queen and I am going to get a solid damn hit on this slot.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Four scatters trigger.

Check out the picks.

Round paid 43x.

This slot is OFFICIALLY MY NEMESIS. (See also, Fortune Falls.)

 

[Blathaon]

Now all we need is for you to get back on YouTube, so we can hear you curse at the slot in frustration, And begging the queen to let you kiss her .

 

[bvu2011]

This slot can be evil. Moreover, it was tagged medium variance in the beginning and without knowing in was changed to high variance. Earlier in this thread Enzo gave some stats on the slot, but it was done so when the slot was still tagged medium variance. If the variance has changed, then so shouldn't the probability?

 

[Balthazar]

in 16323 spins I haven't kissed the Ice Queen once

Does "kissing the queen" mean that you make it all the way to the top? Because I've got only 2 bonus rounds at this game and one of them I made it all the way up. Didn't get anything near 100 spins X 10 though, I think it was 23 spins X 2 or X3 even though I reached the queen. Didn't pay much.


I'm not a big fan of this game.

 

[suomikala87]

Does "kissing the queen" mean that you make it all the way to the top? Because I've got only 2 bonus rounds at this game and one of them I made it all the way up. Didn't get anything near 100 spins X 10 though, I think it was 23 spins X 2 or X3 even though I reached the queen. Didn't pay much.


.

Not exactly as when you reach the top you need one more pick left in order to kiss the queen and thus get awarded the 100 freespins + 10 multiplier. I was quite surprised myself when I first time reached the top and yet didn't get any action

 

[X-Raided]

Does "kissing the queen" mean that you make it all the way to the top? Because I've got only 2 bonus rounds at this game and one of them I made it all the way up. Didn't get anything near 100 spins X 10 though, I think it was 23 spins X 2 or X3 even though I reached the queen. Didn't pay much.

Kiss the queen on Arctic? Yuck yuck, I have a better chance of kissing Megan Fox.

Dozens upon dozens of bonus rounds on that godforsaken game and I can barley
get past the first row. In my mind, that queen sitting up on her throne is just the
same as a random jackpot marquee floating on top of any RTG video slot.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Finally, finally, after well over 20,000 spins in real I kissed the Ice Queen.

Paid 440x stake which in all fairness is a nice pay but alas not a single 5OAK dropped in for the entire 100 spins. (There were a couple of real heartstoppers as well......)

Taking on the 3Dice Slotsmeister and the Ice Queen on Arctic in the same month is proving to be something of a draining endeavour.

Still, at least I've seen the 100 spins at 10x pays round now. (Came off a three scatters trigger as well.)

 

[X-Raided]

Finally, finally, after well over 20,000 spins in real I kissed the Ice Queen.

Paid 440x stake which in all fairness is a nice pay but alas not a single 5OAK dropped in for the entire 100 spins. (There were a couple of real heartstoppers as well......)

Taking on the 3Dice Slotsmeister and the Ice Queen on Arctic in the same month is proving to be something of a draining endeavour.

Still, at least I've seen the 100 spins at 10x pays round now. (Came off a three scatters trigger as well.)

And that boys and girls is a fine example of determination, persistence and the payoff! WTG!

P.S. I sure hope you get back to making video reviews.

 

[Andy Walker]

Congratulations Sir on the none too shabby win, I just can’t get away from some niggling feeling out of my head, and this is the message which reads “Satisfied you return home”. Just wondering if Yoda had some part in the translation matrix involved in making this game available on a multi lingual platform?

 

[Greigssy]

20,000 spins that is persistence.
But honestly I would be annoyed with that return for 100 spins. As it only paid £8 in free spins at the base game level (without the 10x). If you wagered £20 (100 spins) a return of £8 would be very poor.

 

[nisosbar]

I agree that I enjoy the video slots you make.

Cue the 'Enzo sure knows what he's doing' crowd, lol. (Yes, that's sarcasm.)

 

[ChopleyIOM]

20,000 spins that is persistence.
But honestly I would be annoyed with that return for 100 spins. As it only paid £8 in free spins at the base game level (without the 10x). If you wagered £20 (100 spins) a return of £8 would be very poor.

I honestly don't think the free spins on Arctic are 'real' spins. I think the RNG just picks a value for the round and then shows the spins to match. (I get a very similar vibe about Payola, which can do 200+ spins on a bonus round when the mood takes it and pay far less than you'd ever expect that number of 'natural spins' to pay.)

It'd be nice if Enzo can confirm, but for my money I reckon it's just like the bonus rounds on Enchanted Spins, where the reward is decided at the trigger and the player is revealing the result, rather than determining it - except in the case of Arctic the spins simply play out to what the RNG picked at the trigger rather than the player 'interactively' revealing it.

I've also had my best pays on the free spins round (outside of the 100@x10 round) off small numbers of spins at low multipliers, and you can almost feel the slot 'reaching' for a 5OAK to make up the round value, and exactly the opposite is the case when you land say 24 spins at a 9x multiplier, 'natural spins' would see a decent 5OAK coming in once in a while, but it just doesn't happen.

Doesn't bother me TBH, but I can understand how other people may have different expectations.

I could of course be completely wrong as well

 

[dunover]

I honestly don't think the free spins on Arctic are 'real' spins. I think the RNG just picks a value for the round and then shows the spins to match. (I get a very similar vibe about Payola, which can do 200+ spins on a bonus round when the mood takes it and pay far less than you'd ever expect that number of 'natural spins' to pay.)

It'd be nice if Enzo can confirm, but for my money I reckon it's just like the bonus rounds on Enchanted Spins, where the reward is decided at the trigger and the player is revealing the result, rather than determining it - except in the case of Arctic the spins simply play out to what the RNG picked at the trigger rather than the player 'interactively' revealing it.

I've also had my best pays on the free spins round (outside of the 100@x10 round) off small numbers of spins at low multipliers, and you can almost feel the slot 'reaching' for a 5OAK to make up the round value, and exactly the opposite is the case when you land say 24 spins at a 9x multiplier, 'natural spins' would see a decent 5OAK coming in once in a while, but it just doesn't happen.

Doesn't bother me TBH, but I can understand how other people may have different expectations.

I could of course be completely wrong as well

Yes, it's complete bollox. You have had in effect 1000 spins at 20p single no multiplier. You had 200 pounds worth of spins effectively, and won 88. An RTP of 44% on the 100x10x bonus round. I'd be hoiking my laptop across the room....

 

[aceking123]

Yes, it's complete bollox. You have had in effect 1000 spins at 20p single no multiplier. You had 200 pounds worth of spins effectively, and won 88. An RTP of 44% on the 100x10x bonus round. I'd be hoiking my laptop across the room....

lmao ! thing is its high veri & i can say i hit 1k on a 60p bet so i can understand what your saying

 

[ChopleyIOM]

You only need to look at the Zeitgeist page to see what it's capable of, 4366x stake is well into psycho DoA territory.

 

[Nate]

Does that Hit take your RTP anywhere near where it supposed to be?

I agree with some of the posters - 400x Bet is nothing to be frowned upon but it's Piss Poor for 100 Spins at 10x. The highest win on that Slot was only achieved about 6 months ago and top top it off, there haven't been any BIG hits (Above 2000x) in about 2 - 3 months. Thats a pretty long time NOT to get a hit on a Slot with such variance IMPO.

Kudo's to you for your patience. I absolutely despise getting to a 'Top Feature Pick' and getting peanuts for it. I have also hit the 5 Keys on Moolah which in itself is rare and got peanuts too. You have probably made my mind up about playing that Slot

Nate