NetEnt has joined the the group of providers offering different RTP settings

[pinnit2014]

None of which are great. I deposited £50 at Novibet last week, probably wagered about £5k before busting out, did have a decent run, next day I got a £25 loyalty bonus and then another £16 an hour later, no idea what for, but both were cash.

Play, or played there, quite a lot - unfortunately the ad-hoc cash drops/frees spins have tailed off/stopped in the last 2 months (though i did get a random 50 thrown in last week) but they were previously excellent at throwing freebies at you if you played there quite a bit. They've done some work on the platform i think as it's a lot slicker as well. Just wish they'd go back to 'login for 100 FS, wager free, from 2019

 

[colinsunderland]

Play, or played there, quite a lot - unfortunately the ad-hoc cash drops/frees spins have tailed off/stopped in the last 2 months (though i did get a random 50 thrown in last week) but they were previously excellent at throwing freebies at you if you played there quite a bit. They've done some work on the platform i think as it's a lot slicker as well. Just wish they'd go back to 'login for 100 FS, wager free, from 2019

Might have been because I don't deposit regularly, I've honestly got no idea, I hadn't made a deposit for over a month though, but I seem to remember getting other random cash drops previously.

 

[colinsunderland]

That’s really good. The only offers I get like that are from the likes of Virgin/star spins when I’ve not played there for ages.

Rob

Have you played at Novibet?
Sorry it was next day I got the £16, it says bonus but it was cash

 

[bamberfishcake]

I think im going to give them a try.

Im a member just dont use them.

I have been using Unibet but the rewards have been non existent so far apart from 15 free spins on Temple Tumble recently.

 

[pinnit2014]

I think im going to give them a try.

Im a member just dont use them.

I have been using Unibet but the rewards have been non existent so far apart from 15 free spins on Temple Tumble recently.

They're a sound choice - expanded their games portfolio in recent months as well and a decent sports book to boot. Withdrawals within a few hours max usually as well.

I'm down to a handful of casinos - Novibet, Casinocasino and Sky Vegas (play at SV due to instant withdrawals as their perks aren't overly great either): Videoslots/Casumo were the other main 2 but they got the boot. Can see me being a single source player soon.

 

[Jono777]

I think im going to give them a try.

Im a member just dont use them.

I have been using Unibet but the rewards have been non existent so far apart from 15 free spins on Temple Tumble recently.

Unibet have had / have a month long promo running for the whole of April with various half decent offers.

Given my current predicament not being able to take advantage for now but if you can have a look as they don't usually send anything out in terms of bonuses etc.

Their WR IMO in this day and age is one of the fairest out there in 25xB only.

They do send for existing players the odd 100% match once in a blue moon, good luck!

 

[CasinoNinja]

Yeah absolutely nothing...
Apart from...

- weekend booster
- battles
- free spins
- fortune wheels
- wager free

Rob

Just fyi, the weekend booster is no longer free money, they take 0.5% of your winnings and put them in the vault to give to you. It's no longer extra money. It's just a weird way of saving your money for the weekend, you can however just cash that out when you want.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Unibet have had / have a month long promo running for the whole of April with various half decent offers.

Given my current predicament not being able to take advantage for now but if you can have a look as they don't usually send anything out in terms of bonuses etc.

Their WR IMO in this day and age is one of the fairest out there in 25xB only.

They do send for existing players the odd 100% match once in a blue moon, good luck!

Yes i like their promos. They mostly do 'equalised win' tournaments so it doesnt matter if you bet 10p or a £1.

I won £25 cash from the Push Gaming one and was in contention for £150 but that was at the start.

I like Unibet a lot. Top RTP. Great platform (i dont think ive had an error yet). Lots to choose and fair promos. Service is great and staff seem more knowledgeable than some.

Fast withdrawals also in terms of internal processing. Not had a withdrawal yet that was not processed almost instantly. Again, unlike some who seem to do ok one day then pending for 24 hours the next.

 

[Kroffe]

They're a sound choice - expanded their games portfolio in recent months as well and a decent sports book to boot. Withdrawals within a few hours max usually as well.

I'm down to a handful of casinos - Novibet, Casinocasino and Sky Vegas (play at SV due to instant withdrawals as their perks aren't overly great either): Videoslots/Casumo were the other main 2 but they got the boot. Can see me being a single source player soon.

Single source eh?
I have just the thing for you!



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[deepsky2]

Im going on 3 months with no deposits at Videoslots, at a time 99% of my deposits went there for 3 years. My deposits in most case were everyday and sometimes several times a day. I have referred them to several friends and to be honest none of them play there anymore because of the info I shared with them they seem to follow me to the casinos I play. Videoslots kicking them self's you know were.

Back years ago when competition was growing in Las Vegas were most casinos were not controlled by big corporations Circus Circus realized by giving more comps and having the the slots at a higher rtp that payed out more often to there customers they discovered slot players stayed longer and returned more often and that 99% of the money that was paid out players played back and that is how they succeed and for many years they were ahead of the competition. You have to make your customers feel important and Videoslots has really screwed up on how to treat there players or has at least been moving in the wrong direction. I know with me alone they have lost $8000 to $10000 in deposits over 3 months and with all my friends that have stop playing there I know one for-sure one friend deposited much more than I did as hes a professional gambler who goes to Vegas regular for poker tournaments etc and with all my friends that stopped playing at Videoslots how many of there friends has reduced playtime or even stopped playing at Videoslots. Slot players are becoming more educated and more are aware of things like rtp so in the long run our choices of places to play and our deposits will determine which casinos will succeed.

 

[Playford7]

So much hate in the world.

What the onions ever did to some of you, is beyond me.

I agree, the onion racism is at melting point on here.
#onionmetoo

 

[pinnit2014]

I agree, the onion racism is at melting point on here.
#onionmetoo

What can you possibly mean?

 

[goatwack]

Some of the onion-related talk in here is absurd, and to say French people are versed in the stuff is just racist

So anyway, anyone remember Parappa The Rapper on Playstation 1? First level you had to rap against Chop Chop Master Onion.

Here, let me refresh those memories

 

[Borgie]

No, moaning is my birthright, and i intend to use it to its full extent.
You would moan if they suddenly had 60% less in the wotsits bag, but you would still eat it.

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[Slottery]

True
But do you honestly think the Netent slots that are now running at 96-97% rtp will become better or more fun by removing 2-3%
I say theres 0% chance of that happening.
Better for the Casino yes, for the player not so much.

Never know how they are using that little extra longtime profit from slots, some might want to be able to keep their bonus and rewards or have enough staff to get your withdrawals processed within two hours or something. Especially for some markets where many operators are leaving, operating with their old cost structure has been come impossible so many different things have been tried by different operators to keep their operations up and running, reduce TRTP with 2-3% is one way to change your cost structure and maybe make it possible to keep some long time reward program going on.

It probably start to come quite challenging after little while to find great place to play who offer highest RTP, fastest withdrawals (and most options) and best bonuses all together in one place. Then it's up to players to which place everybody fell best to themselves.

 

[goatwack]

Netent reducing RTP across their games is yet another sign of the online 'End Times' the way I see it, and it won't be long before they're ALL at it.

I care not one jot whether providers' or casinos' overheads have gone up, with this industry I tend to believe these decisions are always made out of greed, and because 'they can'. And so with one greedy little piggy provider starting things, now we'll get them all to join the party.

Actually doesn't surprise me Netent have hopped on that gravy train quickly, their ethos and output is a complete sham these days

And so now we have certain casinos offering these erm 'RTP-challenged' games to their colourful portfolio whilst proclaiming to be giving the player cashback etc

Almost makes you think that these industry types are laughing at players. Hmm!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Quick video....

 

[Kroffe]

Never know how they are using that little extra longtime profit from slots, some might want to be able to keep their bonus and rewards or have enough staff to get your withdrawals processed within two hours or something. Especially for some markets where many operators are leaving, operating with their old cost structure has been come impossible so many different things have been tried by different operators to keep their operations up and running, reduce TRTP with 2-3% is one way to change your cost structure and maybe make it possible to keep some long time reward program going on.

It probably start to come quite challenging after little while to find great place to play who offer highest RTP, fastest withdrawals (and most options) and best bonuses all together in one place. Then it's up to players to which place everybody fell best to themselves.

Do you think the unibet-group is losing money on the swedish market?
Because instead of lowering rtp, they have a selection of slots with HIGHER rtp.
And run all providers with max rtp-versions.
Most casinos on the swedish market use max rtp for all providers.

I doubt they are all about to go bankrupt just to keep offering the high rtp-versions.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Im going on 3 months with no deposits at Videoslots, at a time 99% of my deposits went there for 3 years. My deposits in most case were everyday and sometimes several times a day. I have referred them to several friends and to be honest none of them play there anymore because of the info I shared with them they seem to follow me to the casinos I play. Videoslots kicking them self's you know were.

Back years ago when competition was growing in Las Vegas were most casinos were not controlled by big corporations Circus Circus realized by giving more comps and having the the slots at a higher rtp that payed out more often to there customers they discovered slot players stayed longer and returned more often and that 99% of the money that was paid out players played back and that is how they succeed and for many years they were ahead of the competition. You have to make your customers feel important and Videoslots has really screwed up on how to treat there players or has at least been moving in the wrong direction. I know with me alone they have lost $8000 to $10000 in deposits over 3 months and with all my friends that have stop playing there I know one for-sure one friend deposited much more than I did as hes a professional gambler who goes to Vegas regular for poker tournaments etc and with all my friends that stopped playing at Videoslots how many of there friends has reduced playtime or even stopped playing at Videoslots. Slot players are becoming more educated and more are aware of things like rtp so in the long run our choices of places to play and our deposits will determine which casinos will succeed.

Whilst I understand the frustration and some of the reasons people leaving VS, I am pretty sure it has no or only very little effect on VS and their business plan.

I had a look the other day at the amount of spins and EURO wagered on BOD and a few other slots/day. VS was in 1st place and that way, way, way......way ahead of anyone else. As long as they have more FTD's than people leaving, it won't matter how many leave.

 

[Slottery]

Casinos aim should be make much money as possible like other businesses, they also have quite a lot competitors which makes it hard to make players to play in your place if you offer 5% less RTP, have 96 hours pending periods, have your support only available by email with 72 hours delayh in replies and don't even know what word "bonus" or "reward" is meaning

It's at the moment kind of finding balance what you can do to leave casino much profit as possible and same time keep your players coming back and deposit.

 

[Slottery]

Do you think the unibet-group is losing money on the swedish market?
Because instead of lowering rtp, they have a selection of slots with HIGHER rtp.
And run all providers with max rtp-versions.
Most casinos on the swedish market use max rtp for all providers.

I doubt they are all about to go bankrupt just to keep offering the high rtp-versions.

How high for example bonus costs are in Swedish market? Also PaynPlay option is saving loads of time and money which many casinos have adapted. I assume these higher RTP versions are not for all markets?

 

[Kroffe]

How high for example bonus costs are in Swedish market? Also PaynPlay option is saving loads of time and money which many casinos have adapted. I assume these higher RTP versions are not for all markets?

I dont know wich markets get the higher rtp versions.
But if 90% of the casinos can offer highest rtp on all providers on the swedish market, so can videoslots.

Decisions in the casino business are based on greed not need.

 

[Slottery]

I dont know wich markets get the higher rtp versions.
But if 90% of the casinos can offer highest rtp on all provers on the swedish market, so can videoslots.

Decisions in the casino business are based on greed not need.

Maybe they spend some money somewhere where others don't, their business model needs that extra money to keep on running or they have realized that players don't really mind about lower RTP as long they are happy for casino on otherways.

I'm not sure if making money to owners in business world is called greediness or something why businesses are run, but somehow have that kind of thought that they are only meant to make money to their owners. At least i wouldn't invest to any publicly listed companys shares if they inform that we want operate with 0 profit and want to just entertain people because we really like to make people happy.

It doesn't make much sense to run years and years some business if you only target is to get money for need and survive, does it? At least probably really stressful to operate with hand to mouth and finding investors not really easy either.

Videoslots seem not doing that bad and they have players so hard to see them doing in things too much wrong.

Kindred who you mentioned is giving some redundancy packets to part of their staff:

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Their shareprice last April 23rd was 89.52 SEK and at the moment 37.51 SEK o they are not dancing on their best success at the moment but probably thinking how we turn things back were they were, first to save 75 people salaries, if their operations still are not improving, i have no doubt that they take some further actions which they think can increase their profitability best. They might want to hang in highest RTP and cut their bonus or other operation costs or do something totally else. Casinos like many other businesses are adopting changes all the time and main aim still is to make much profit as possible which is what is promised to shareowners.

 

[colinsunderland]

Whilst I understand the frustration and some of the reasons people leaving VS, I am pretty sure it has no or only very little effect on VS and their business plan.

I had a look the other day at the amount of spins and EURO wagered on BOD and a few other slots/day. VS was in 1st place and that way, way, way......way ahead of anyone else. As long as they have more FTD's than people leaving, it won't matter how many leave.

I suppose it depends if they want long term gains or preparing the business for a sale, in which case you would want to bump up as many customers as possible.
We keep hearing how important high rollers are, if I was playing at £100 a spin, I guarantee it wouldn't be at a casino running the lower RTP nor one that thinks a good reward is 5 x 10p spins.

Even with the cashback, like thebandit, getting the max £300 a day, its only 7 spins on reel king for him.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I dont know wich markets get the higher rtp versions.
But if 90% of the casinos can offer highest rtp on all providers on the swedish market, so can videoslots.

Decisions in the casino business are based on greed not need.

After scouring some client areas, it seems like the high RTP's are offered in SWE, FIN and NOR only. And that always just a few games out of the entire package for a limited period. Operators can select which ones they want from all that a developer offers. PnG and Pragmatic looked like the most flexible in terms of what they can do.

There was one doc for Japan (they have become something of a hot spot for online gaming), where at launch in the country some or all games were offered to casino operators at higher RTP for marketing/campaign purposes for a limited time and the cost was to be shared. Didn't say though what percentage of that extra cost the developers or the casino would carry.