NetEnt at their best?

[Nate]

In any other scenario, I wouldn't give a damn if I lost a balance trying for a small feature. Last night was just that, 700 Euro Balance on 5 Euro spins - no feature, no free spins. Ok, average session and nothing to write home about.

I was playing Thunderfist BTW and decided to give it another go today. Start balance of around 800 Euros, bets varying from 7.5 to 10 euros. Now 80 x bet is nothing to complain about, its a drop in the ocean. But how this session went about makes me lose faith in our friends at Netbent - Variance sure... but the way it panned out ... ouch...

First session, went in with about 650 Euros, opted to go for 7.5 spins until i got to 300 or went ahead by a small margin of 200 or so. No features, lost the 350 quickly.

Balance was down to 300, played a few other games and came back to Thunderfist with 800 Euros. Got 15 features in all in the same session, but this is how they panned out:

1. Bet 7.5 - Paid 226
2. Bet 7.5 - Paid 153
3. Bet 7.5 (5 Scatters - 20 Spins) - Paid 81.6
4. Bet 7.5 - Paid 51
5. Bet 7.5 - Paid 72
6. Bet 10 - Paid 206
7. Bet 10 - Paid 263
8. Bet 10 - Paid 100
9. Bet 10 - Paid 20
10. Bet 10 - Paid 8
11. Bet 10 - Paid 408 (Redeposited here to hit this)
12. Bet 10 - Paid 146
13. Bet 10 - Paid 118
14. Bet 10 - Paid 27
15 1. Bet 10 - Paid 176

I think I deposited an extra 400 Euros which took my total on this slot to about 1500 Euros. 15 Features, never peaked more than once above my start balance and also when I did, it was about 100 odd Euro, barely even 15x bet.

I would estimate that 150 x bet is pretty decent and so is 15 features for that - But the results... FFS, I dont think I will ever play this slot again. Potential - Hell Yeah, punishment, almost guaranteed





Nate

 

[Jono777]

OUCH indeed!

I think I much preferred your other post, 1.1K from 0.20p

Its VERY rare I get to play above 1 or 2 coins per line but on the days I do (tin foil hat on) I find the larger stakes seem to send the slot(s) into super tight mode.

Few examples, JATB (mega harps galore) CFTBL (screen almost covered in wilds) DOA (wild lines galore) but always on small bets.

Now I've never played as high as your good self but when I do go for around 1.00 a spin, its like Netent clock my IP and bet size and its 'Quick get the scatters off the reels at Minchers house'

Hope you luck turns back in your favour real soon!

 

[Nate]

OUCH indeed!

I think I much preferred your other post, 1.1K from 0.20p

Its VERY rare I get to play above 1 or 2 coins per line but on the days I do (tin foil hat on) I find the larger stakes seem to send the slot(s) into super tight mode.

Few examples, JATB (mega harps galore) CFTBL (screen almost covered in wilds) DOA (wild lines galore) but always on small bets.

Now I've never played as high as your good self but when I do go for around 1.00 a spin, its like Netent clock my IP and bet size and its 'Quick get the scatters off the reels at Minchers house'

Hope you luck turns back in your favour real soon!

I've had super hits on maximum bet so no tin foil conspiracy from me Not bothered about the loss, but 15 Features - to hit them once every 10x bet and never hit anything worth it pisses me off - As luck would have it, someone would probably hit 1000x on their first feature - Swings and roundabouts. I suppose, I kick myself more for not spending that on DOA, I ALWAYS do...

Nate

 

[aceking123]

nope Nate your correct i myself over the last 3 months have been taking a beating , i wont say what i've spent as my limit for the 6 months has showed up very near ,to a total bust out, ive been getting this for 3 solid months , i've had play don't get my wrong but i cannot get 1k in front betting min of £3 onwards shocking to be honest even had some good 800 wins just to bust out realy shortly after.

Bank roll hasn't played into it , its like you just had a hit now its going to go down pretty much everytime . worst machines are DOA, gorilla go wild ,IM ,reel steal etc etc this thing ive now seen 71 features & not once hit the magic 300x plus win same feature this machine really should be checked GGW.

i wont name the casino as i get treated very well but come on 3 months loads of deposits one cashout 800 , not good in my book , at least make me break even )

 

[goatwack]

My favourite is the 10th bonus round you had. That was tremendous

 

[dave1888]

I too have had a pounding on this bastard of a game. When I lost a fortune in 2012 I was betting about 3-3.75 a spin then took bet down and got a 150-200x feature. I went crazy I blew 1,000 in about 30mins on 10-15£ a spin bet but it was even worse than you had here no features, nothing more than 3x bet....for about 60 solid spins! Many many dead spins since that day I've vowed never to bet more than 1.50 a spin on that game ever again it's lethal!!

 

[Nate]

My favourite is the 10th bonus round you had. That was tremendous

And the best part about it is you somehow feel entitled to a big win of at least 100 x after seeing 10... then 11... 12... 13 ... 14 shit features. All that happens is a big fat bust. They were pretty close together with no real big wins in the base game.

Nate

 

[slotter999]

I'm surprised you hung around for 15 bites of the rotten apple.....must have been frustrating :-(

To pick up on a point John made - I've taken (and subsequently deleted) lots of examples of slots of that play very differently at low stakes to high stakes with all sorts of amazing spins / setups dropping in. Crank that up to a £10+ bet and it's a different story....on netent slots Wonky Rabbits / CFTBL are the worst offenders from my experience and I've tried and tried and tried. The best example of different gameplay between stakes I can think of is Golden Ticket by Play N Go. At 20p a stake you get dream setups left, right and centre. Crank that up to £10 or £40 a spin and it's an entirely different story....very flat....minimal clearances to get the bonus round etc.

 

[Nate]

I'm surprised you hung around for 15 bites of the rotten apple.....must have been frustrating :-(

To pick up on a point John made - I've taken (and subsequently deleted) lots of examples of slots of that play very differently at low stakes to high stakes with all sorts of amazing spins / setups dropping in. Crank that up to a £10+ bet and it's a different story....on netent slots Wonky Rabbits / CFTBL are the worst offenders from my experience and I've tried and tried and tried. The best example of different gameplay between stakes I can think of is Golden Ticket by Play N Go. At 20p a stake you get dream setups left, right and centre. Crank that up to £10 or £40 a spin and it's an entirely different story....very flat....minimal clearances to get the bonus round etc.

I can't say that I think it would play differently to different bet sizes - example - I hit DOA on maximum bet for a wild line (more than once), so that theory for me is out the window. I haven't experienced it on other slots so in essence I cant say yes or no - but I know they should not act this way, if they do, its roguish.

With regards to hanging around, the features came quickly, so it was kinda, OK, maybe this time... rinse repeat, bust and cry - Maybe i felt they were quick as i play quick spin on everything. Thunderfist is masterfully sublime in playing out quick low paying and dead spins.

Nate

 

[rainie83]

In any other scenario, I wouldn't give a damn if I lost a balance trying for a small feature. Last night was just that, 700 Euro Balance on 5 Euro spins - no feature, no free spins. Ok, average session and nothing to write home about.

I was playing Thunderfist BTW and decided to give it another go today. Start balance of around 800 Euros, bets varying from 7.5 to 10 euros. Now 80 x bet is nothing to complain about, its a drop in the ocean. But how this session went about makes me lose faith in our friends at Netbent - Variance sure... but the way it panned out ... ouch...

First session, went in with about 650 Euros, opted to go for 7.5 spins until i got to 300 or went ahead by a small margin of 200 or so. No features, lost the 350 quickly.

Balance was down to 300, played a few other games and came back to Thunderfist with 800 Euros. Got 15 features in all in the same session, but this is how they panned out:

1. Bet 7.5 - Paid 226
2. Bet 7.5 - Paid 153
3. Bet 7.5 (5 Scatters - 20 Spins) - Paid 81.6
4. Bet 7.5 - Paid 51
5. Bet 7.5 - Paid 72
6. Bet 10 - Paid 206
7. Bet 10 - Paid 263
8. Bet 10 - Paid 100
9. Bet 10 - Paid 20
10. Bet 10 - Paid 8
11. Bet 10 - Paid 408 (Redeposited here to hit this)
12. Bet 10 - Paid 146
13. Bet 10 - Paid 118
14. Bet 10 - Paid 27
15 1. Bet 10 - Paid 176

I think I deposited an extra 400 Euros which took my total on this slot to about 1500 Euros. 15 Features, never peaked more than once above my start balance and also when I did, it was about 100 odd Euro, barely even 15x bet.

I would estimate that 150 x bet is pretty decent and so is 15 features for that - But the results... FFS, I dont think I will ever play this slot again. Potential - Hell Yeah, punishment, almost guaranteed

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Nate

Nate
in my opinion it is wrong to redeposit if you do not win anything and you lose your deposit.
You see that they do not pay, since those wretched winnings they gave you aiming high.
Take a break and try again in a few days or in a week and see how it goes.
Good luck doa champion!

 

[Nate]

Nate
in my opinion it is wrong to redeposit if you do not win anything and you lose your deposit.
You see that they do not pay, since those wretched winnings they gave you aiming high.
Take a break and try again in a few days or in a week and see how it goes.
Good luck doa champion!

Lol - All is good my friend - Some sessions I redeposit, others I dont. Some I win when I do, others I don't.

I love wretched winnings

Nate

 

[slotter999]

I can't say that I think it would play differently to different bet sizes - example - I hit DOA on maximum bet for a wild line (more than once), so that theory for me is out the window. I haven't experienced it on other slots so in essence I cant say yes or no - but I know they should not act this way, if they do, its roguish.

Nate

Yeah I know this is supposed to be the case but honestly it just feels like it isn't the case with netents. I don't mention this much because people will call BS and I can't prove what I'm saying. But honestly I don't know how many spins I've had on wonky rabbits at £15 plus and never once hit 3 wilds. Play it at 60p and you can almost guarantee one within 300 spins. I'm awaiting full stats of my mega rolling in March to dissect...which I'll share once I've processed. Maybe once I've done the analysis I'll change my view.

With regards to hanging around, the features came quickly, so it was kinda, OK, maybe this time... rinse repeat, bust and cry - Maybe i felt they were quick as i play quick spin on everything. Thunderfist is masterfully sublime in playing out quick low paying and dead spins.

I always play quickspin on everything If they are coming thick and fast then yeah why not. I will always go for a few extra spins after free spins to see what's there but generally don't hang around long...it can be quite depressing when you stubbornly hang in for the next spins and the machine dies :-(

There is a twitch guy called letsgiveitaspin....he has an interesting style in that he raises into hot machines and stays on them longer than I would. I'd be very interested in looking at his stats to see how that works out over the long term but it's certainly very entertaining to watch especially when he pulls it off. If you're ever at a loose end I recommend having a watch...he does reasonably high stakes on Sundays.

 

[lotusch]

Ouch mate,the 5 scatters trigger hurts.
I do not play this game a lot because 243 liners on MGS are bad enough sometimes.
Also I still always have this feeling that Netent except for a few slots like DOA cannot payout massive wins.
Thunderfist is one of them in my opinion.

Your stakes are obviously a tad higher than mine on average! ^^

When I play a slot like this I try to hit FS once or twice as they seem to come in quite often as far as I have experienced and I always got a handsome return on them from anything between 20x-200x stake.
Now this was always on 3 or 4 scatters,never had seen 5 before.

So in that perspective your session as in your OP sucks bigtime mate.

The 5 scatter FS trigger return is a joke.

Hope your luck turns soon!!

I kinda like Netent these days,not all slots,but I do appreciate them a lot more then 2 years ago.
They give me a lot of playtime and some decent wins now and then.

For the big wins I prefer Novomatic / MGS and/or WMS.
Netent for the smaller wins and the longer playtime.

 

[Nate]

Ouch mate,the 5 scatters trigger hurts.
I do not play this game a lot because 243 liners on MGS are bad enough sometimes.
Also I still always have this feeling that Netent except for a few slots like DOA cannot payout massive wins.
Thunderfist is one of them in my opinion.

Your stakes are obviously a tad higher than mine on average! ^^

When I play a slot like this I try to hit FS once or twice as they seem to come in quite often as far as I have experienced and I always got a handsome return on them from anything between 20x-200x stake.
Now this was always on 3 or 4 scatters,never had seen 5 before.

So in that perspective your session as in your OP sucks bigtime mate.

The 5 scatter FS trigger return is a joke.

Hope your luck turns soon!!

I kinda like Netent these days,not all slots,but I do appreciate them a lot more then 2 years ago.
They give me a lot of playtime and some decent wins now and then.

For the big wins I prefer Novomatic / MGS and/or WMS.
Netent for the smaller wins and the longer playtime.

I suppose sometimes I just cant do DOA all the time. It sucks I know, but I can't find a NetEnt slot that has not raped me for minimal returns - Wild Water / Twin Spin / Thunderfist / CFTBL ... almost every one of the new ones with the dreaded NetEnt variance seem to catch me. I am losing horribly on every single one of them without exception or exaggeration. Then I try the old school - Reel Steal, Egyptian Heroes and am satisfied with the results even If i do not hit big.

This is one of the reasons I play DOA only, I can go for months, but I know there is potential and a real return on time spent. Well my post was not intended to be a bitch and moan on how I have lost - Just to highlight the 15 f*cking features one after the other WITH a 5 scatter trigger and I couldn't even go ahead by 200 Euros on monster bets... The loss is inconsequential and meaningless, the frustration is everything!!

Nate

 

[lotusch]

Ouch they are not the greatest Netent slots i.m.h.o for high stakes.
Twin Spin I can understand,that slot actually can give some very decent returns.
The other slots you mentioned I would not play with higher stakes than €1.00.

What about Wild Rockets, Evolution, Elements and/or Lost Island.
I tend to be quite lucky on those on mediocre bets up to €2.00.

And by the way,I am having a personal war myself with certain WMS games.
Hit 60+ freespins on ZeusIII the other day! for a atrocious 100x ish stake return.
This after numerous of FS rounds of 0x-10x bet return.

 

[Nate]

Ouch they are not the greatest Netent slots i.m.h.o for high stakes.
Twin Spin I can understand,that slot actually can give some very decent returns.
The other slots you mentioned I would not play with higher stakes than €1.00.

What about Wild Rockets, Evolution, Elements and/or Lost Island.
I tend to be quite lucky on those on mediocre bets up to €2.00.

Lost Island is an irritant of note - with animation for every little scatter. I shouldn't be forced to watch rotten animation that is pointless - give a Chance to turn it off and I WILL play the slot more. Oh and the fact it drained me on several occasions for some pretty big balances - No thanks

Wild Rockets - Several disastrous sessions on it. Ask yourself how often you actually see a decent screenshot to those punk ass slots and you will probably realise they pay in NetEnt time - All the time.

Elements, I kinda did OK on and I used to like it. I can't stand the very fact that its so epicly gimped that you never get those wins to trigger the feature. I suppose that's what keeps me away from it. Its annoying to see a combo fall and you know in the real world that the next spin it should have triggered the feature but doesn't.

Nate

 

[dunover]

Thunderfist - balance goes like lightning then it fists you - hard. How it got it's name I'd say.
Rockets - well some foil hatting here. New casino, new account and open it up. See how often you get a feature in the first 150-200 spins. Rare.

 

[lotusch]

Thunderfist - balance goes like lightning then it fists you - hard. How it got it's name I'd say.

:clap::smilewink::clap::smilewink:

 

[Nate]

Thunderfist - balance goes like lightning then it fists you - hard. How it got it's name I'd say.
Rockets - well some foil hatting here. New casino, new account and open it up. See how often you get a feature in the first 150-200 spins. Rare.

I'd say you have been 'dunover' ....

Nate

 

[luringenersmart]

I got 5 scatters on creature from the black lagoon once on 4 euros stake. Tought i was in fore a 2000 euro win or above fore sure. But it paid 0. One can wonder how that is even possible.

I bet if i played 1 euro or below i would have had a payday.

Also on dead or alive i got 4 wilds on a payline on the very first spin!!!! Betting 4,5 euros it never gave any symbol better than A and no more wilds. That to seamed a bit "off" to me.

 

[Naok777]

Netent slots quite often feel like they have 3 settings:

0.01 - 15% RTP (money gone in five minutes mode)
85 - 90% RTP (money lasts a long time but you never get anywhere mode)
300 - infinite% RTP (wear out screenshot button on keyboard mode a.k.a they use this for promo videos mode)

And once it chose one of them for you at random it just sticks with it.

Of course I am well aware that it doesn't work that way, but it does feel that way far too often.

 

[Jono777]

Netent slots quite often feel like they have 3 settings:

0.01 - 15% RTP (money gone in five minutes mode)
85 - 90% RTP (money lasts a long time but you never get anywhere mode)
300 - infinite% RTP (wear out screenshot button on keyboard mode a.k.a they use this for promo videos mode)

And once it chose one of them for you at random it just sticks with it.

Of course I am well aware that it doesn't work that way, but it does feel that way far too often.

Doesn't it just!

Probably nearer the truth than we realise

Proving it however will never happen (Inserts Tin foil hat smiley )