My sad experience with slot

[Jhonson90]

I write my experience of High Roller on Redbet hoping that can be of help to someone.
I started to play the slot about 40 days ago, I paid many times for a total of € 8k, I had a rng favorable
for only one day after having deposit approximately € 6.5k (until then I had winnings irrelevant) with € 200
I got up to 2.2k €, arrived a third of the paid-up (I wanted to recover at least half or approximately 3k €,
not that I wanted record winnings ) there has been no way to increase cash, it began a slow descent down to zero.
Further deposits for about 1.5k euro, the previous payments as usual day,
they had no relevant outcomes.
End result 8k € paid as usual 0 € withdrawn.
My humble suggestion, do not play if not for fun (then small amounts)
and if you have good financial resources,
consider them as money lost.
I hope I have concluded my experience with slots.
Greetings to all

 

[dionysus]

Cheers.
Yes, slots are meant as entertainment with possible..possible...return, and are a terrible way to make money. In fact, they are specifically desgined to take your money. It's that chance to make $ that we play, but you should go in knowing 2 things:
1 - expect to lose
2 - spend no more than you can afford to lose.

Knowing the above, they can be a great source of fun.

 

[Jasminebed]

Ouch.

Redbet is a pretty good outfit. If you have not already been given a bad luck freebie or two, I'd at least ask for one. I suggest you email rather than ask live chat.

Never chase losses.

Just curious... what game and bet sizes ate you alive?

 

[Jhonson90]

Ouch.

Redbet is a pretty good outfit. If you have not already been given a bad luck freebie or two, I'd at least ask for one. I suggest you email rather than ask live chat.

Never chase losses.

Just curious... what game and bet sizes ate you alive?

Hi , to Redbet not to have asked for anything and even I was given nothing ,
the positive day won on all , the rest of the days lost on all , i have played about twenty slots,
the most popular ...Dead or Alive , Twin Spin , Raging Rhino , Montezuma , The Wish Master and others.
Cheers.

 

[Jasminebed]

Those are all pretty high variance slots.

I would not hesitate to ask for a free chip with those kinds of losses over several weeks.

I've been comped for losses far less than that. Worse case scenario, they say no. If you do receive a free chip, make sure you read the rules regarding allowed games and max bets.

IMO casinos should offer players with bad runs a free chip without having to go begging for it.

 

[Jhonson90]

Those are all pretty high variance slots.

I would not hesitate to ask for a free chip with those kinds of losses over several weeks.

I've been comped for losses far less than that. Worse case scenario, they say no. If you do receive a free chip, make sure you read the rules regarding allowed games and max bets.

IMO casinos should offer players with bad runs a free chip without having to go begging for it.

I gave them a lot of money, I really do not feel like begging.
I hope that this lesson will give me the push to get rid of my life slots, Redbet and everything that followed.
Thanks for the support Jasminebed

 

[spintee]

Hi , to Redbet not to have asked for anything and even I was given nothing ,
the positive day won on all , the rest of the days lost on all , i have played about twenty slots,
the most popular ...Dead or Alive , Twin Spin , Raging Rhino , Montezuma , The Wish Master and others.
Cheers.

Thats half your trouble there, Them games are money crunchers,

I personally do not ask for freebie either but most certainly would if lost that amount, That is some pretty big cash to lose, First of count it as a learning curve and DO NOT go chasing it,

Also do not let that put you off, Gambling should be for fun and count it as that, Look at it as if you are paying to play, If win than its a bonus,

 

[ProbabilityZero]

I've been there so can very much empathise. I have chased losses betting bigger and bigger. It's awful and destroys the fun.

Luckily I feel very much in control now as a lesson learned. I deposit small and discipline myself to cash out something when I can.

I set goals on deposits etc. As the above good advice states I pay to play rather than win. Sure I hope for a win but each time I deposit I do so now with a view to probably busting out.

Use the magic formula.... Amount spent should be lower or equal to entertainment derived. It's working well for me and hope your luck changes.

If you are unable to use self control (no offence meant as it takes discipline and I initially found hard) then quit and don't look back.

 

[Jhonson90]

I've been there so can very much empathise. I have chased losses betting bigger and bigger. It's awful and destroys the fun.

Luckily I feel very much in control now as a lesson learned. I deposit small and discipline myself to cash out something when I can.

I set goals on deposits etc. As the above good advice states I pay to play rather than win. Sure I hope for a win but each time I deposit I do so now with a view to probably busting out.

Use the magic formula.... Amount spent should be lower or equal to entertainment derived. It's working well for me and hope your luck changes.

If you are unable to use self control (no offence meant as it takes discipline and I initially found hard) then quit and don't look back.

I am very happy for you , but there is a problem here and it applies in general for all casino , right i pay for fun ok , no matter how much
you deposit (that matters is the proportion) i expect a cash-back of at least il 50% , i believe that 50% for the casino is more than enough.
Thanks to everyone for participating

 

[randomiam]

hit up the redbet rep here tell him your tale and he will surely kick you a freebie there good like that

 

[Perez777]

I too lost 5-7к$ in a day.I understand you.It is awful.

For a year of game there is no NetEnt of a casino, where I in plus. Only Microgaming. Netent FCKN soft (slots have max x500-700 total bet)

 

[Jhonson90]

Guys, I'll laugh, deposit 100 € , playing to minimum bet , after a incredible positive peak of 27 € (balance 127 €) with DOA
but the balance was coming down again , begin a catastrophic session to Raging Rhino always playing to mininum bet ,
with the balance a 38.32 € i run my first withdrawal losing only 62 €
Big winnnnnnnnn

 

[Jhonson90]

Now come the withdrawal of EUR 38.32, obviously the withdrawal is ironic, even they understand or pretend not to understand that it's cheaper.
I tell you honestly that I did not expect to Redbet similar treatment for a High Roller.
Cheers.

 

[partyhummel]

chasing losses...

Those are all pretty high variance slots.

I would not hesitate to ask for a free chip with those kinds of losses over several weeks.

I've been comped for losses far less than that. Worse case scenario, they say no. If you do receive a free chip, make sure you read the rules regarding allowed games and max bets.

IMO casinos should offer players with bad runs a free chip without having to go begging for it.

uh yes... i was chasing losses at nextcasino a few weeks ago. 5000 gone. got a 100€ comp. had to ask for it...

 

[Jhonson90]

uh yes... i was chasing losses at nextcasino a few weeks ago. 5000 gone. got a 100€ comp. had to ask for it...

Thanks you partyhummel for your testimony, I imagined that there were other cases like mine,
losses of this proportion are not acceptable for me.
Cheers.

 

[partyhummel]

for me neither...

Thanks you partyhummel for your testimony, I imagined that there were other cases like mine,
losses of this proportion are not acceptable for me.
Cheers.

thats why i started chasing and it was very hard to find the brakes....

 

[Jhonson90]

thats why i started chasing and it was very hard to find the brakes....

Yes ok but here you create some real holes blacks in favor of the casino, among other things I did not bet high stakes but stake for partial recoveries , it is not possible
you lose without limit just because you are trying to recover partly, there are tables with RTP for each slot, if you experience these losses that data can not be real.
Cheers.

 

[dionysus]

Yes ok but here you create some real holes blacks in favor of the casino, among other things I did not bet high stakes but stake for partial recoveries , it is not possible
you lose without limit just because you are trying to recover partly, there are tables with RTP for each slot, if you experience these losses that data can not be real.
Cheers.

Sure they can. It isn't a guaranteed return; it's more 'given unlimited spins and $, it's the expected return' but slots are random and RTP is across the board, not per individual player. The avergae RTP is X....however, when you come ahead with say a 110% RTP, that's balanced by those who lose and receive an RTP of say, 80% .

Also, ultimately, given unlimited spins and $, EVERY player will lose - house has the edge. Remember, slots are designed in such a way that you're meant to lose.

 

[ProbabilityZero]

Sure they can. It isn't a guaranteed return; it's more 'given unlimited spins and $, it's the expected return' but slots are random and RTP is across the board, not per individual player. The avergae RTP is X....however, when you come ahead with say a 110% RTP, that's balanced by those who lose and receive an RTP of say, 80% .

Also, ultimately, given unlimited spins and $, EVERY player will lose - house has the edge. Remember, slots are designed in such a way that you're meant to lose.

One problem is that many are not really aware of how RTP works. They see 96% and think if they deposit a hundred they will get around that amount back. I've even had people very confused who say to me that they have an RTP of 0%. They confuse going bust with RTP.

Some people can't get their head around depositing £100 going bust and being told their RTP was 96% lol. They forget that whilst working through that hundred they may have wagered say £2,500 giving them an RTP of 96% despite being bust.

 

[Jono777]

Including every year since I started, my lifetime RTP is probably somewhere around 120%!!!

Try convincing me of that nowadays tho

 

[Jhonson90]

Sure they can. It isn't a guaranteed return; it's more 'given unlimited spins and $, it's the expected return' but slots are random and RTP is across the board, not per individual player. The avergae RTP is X....however, when you come ahead with say a 110% RTP, that's balanced by those who lose and receive an RTP of say, 80% .

Also, ultimately, given unlimited spins and $, EVERY player will lose - house has the edge. Remember, slots are designed in such a way that you're meant to lose.

Thanks Dionysus, you were very clear and I very naive

 

[dionysus]

Thanks Dionysus, you were very clear and I very naive

Not naive - you just hadn't known yet and we all start at the beginning.

 

[Jhonson90]

Hi, I was convinced to write a pm to Redbet manager, see if we can do something.
Cheers.

 

[hoff1985]

It needs a lot of self control to gamble.... Most people who are gambling are gamblers (including me) and designed to fuck up sometimes

At least i'm much stronger and self controller than i was 10 years ago, but i still do stupid shit especially when i'm on a winning spree and start to make stupid bets...

 

[Jhonson90]

It needs a lot of self control to gamble.... Most people who are gambling are gamblers (including me) and designed to fuck up sometimes

At least i'm much stronger and self controller than i was 10 years ago, but i still do stupid shit especially when i'm on a winning spree and start to make stupid bets...

The only thing I had to do was to play less to limit losses since the RNG was almost always contrary.
Cheers.

 

[Jhonson90]

rng negative endless

Hi all , after a week saturday make a deposit of € 148 , arrive early to € 149 (+1) then I lose the cash quickly ,
then last night for the first time ask to chat a bonus , give me € 150 wager 40x (after more than 8k lost) ,
never been to win, lost again the cash quickly.
I asked him to support for e-mail my rtp because after 50 days the situation is really funny.
I sent a private message here at Redbet manager a week ago without
be answered.
Cheers.

 

[Jhonson90]

They replied that they can not calculate my global RTP (catastrophic RTP) ,
but I have to calculate it by entering in my profile but I have written to me that is not easy.
Given the small size of the bonuses offered in comparison to the amount lost, the manager who did not answer at pm,
an evasive answer on my rtp which of course is low, is not zero because it corresponds to the fact that I have
never performed the withdrawal of a winning (but one in loss of € 38 clearly ironic) , I know, but it is definitely very low,
the speed with which constantly lose money for 50 days , my opinion on Redbet (who also is an accredited casino) is
becoming very negative
Cheers.

 

[whatwhat]

There is another thing also, that you say that millions of spins to get to the RTP this is also false. I would say if you do 100 000 spins you should be getting the RTP of the game. Or atleast close to it.

The odds of winning or losing is the same each time you play, but it is not really the same as it is not likley that the same result will happen even if the casino has 4% edge.

Look at it this way flipp a coin and its 50/50, but do it 10 times and you might get head more than tails, but do this 1000 times and you will se something close to 50/50. And fore slots with a 96% RTP fore a player to lose, lets say 100 deposits in a row playing the same game is very unlikly if its truly random. Even if the odds are the same everytime. The odds of getting the opposite result will also increase with each deposit.

In probability theory, the law of large numbers (LLN) is a theorem that describes the result of performing the same experiment a large number of times. According to the law, the average of the results obtained from a large number of trials should be close to the expected value, and will tend to become closer as more trials are performed. Hence the more you play the more the variance evens out.

I have had runs in casinos losing 30-40 deposits in a row with the absolute worst results. And im pretty sure the games are not random, but work on some other mechanic. This player should IMO accept his losses at redbet and run far,far away from that casino because in my experience if you start to lose like that in a casino you will never win anything in that casino.

 

[Jhonson90]

Redbet made me find the account a bonus of 700 € but has wagered 40x, then 28k, practically,
given the dire statistics that I've had so far, it is a mission impossible.
Anyway it was my choice to play here, so the error was mine, I like whatwhat, after several deposits
with disastrous results I should abandon Redbet instead I continued to try to recover something
and it has been getting worse.
The last two weeks I still paid very little, because in the end lose constantly makes you pass
the desire to play, and this is the positive however.
I update you on the outcome anyway even if it is almost taken for granted.
Thanks for bonus Alex (Rep Redbet).
Cheers.

 

[whatwhat]

Redbet made me find the account a bonus of 700 € but has wagered 40x, then 28k, practically,
given the dire statistics that I've had so far, it is a mission impossible.
Anyway it was my choice to play here, so the error was mine, I like whatwhat, after several deposits
with disastrous results I should abandon Redbet instead I continued to try to recover something
and it has been getting worse.
The last two weeks I still paid very little, because in the end lose constantly makes you pass
the desire to play, and this is the positive however.
I update you on the outcome anyway even if it is almost taken for granted.
Thanks for bonus Alex (Rep Redbet).
Cheers.

If it was me. I would A) if i win, continue to play there in the future. B) If lose, accept losses and close account.

I am in a simular situation now with another reputable casino(not going to mention name here) Lost 22 deposits in a row pluss a comp bonus.

In total comp and deposits its 2470 euros spinning at 0.40-1 on average i have a RTP of 70% witch is so horribly bad. I cant even get bonus rounds on half my deposits on games that when i play elswhere i get regular bonus rounds. Ive decided to give them one more deposit next month and if i dont get any better results, im jumping ship. These kind of situations makes me feel they are rigging the games indivdually.

Maybe giving players lower RTP, im not sure. I read on another forum where many players think that netent themselves are running some kind of accounting on each player. Maybe they keep track of IP adresses or whatever. Not sure because everytime i win on a certain game its dead across every casino. And especially if you cash out from a casino you will always lose and lose until you lost all or more back.

People will say this is psycological and humans see patterns where there are non, bla bla bla.. Its pretty obvious that these games are controlled in some manner. I have won thats why i play, because i know its possible to win big, but im pretty sure things dont work 100% as they say. I myself find myself losing more often now than before and have cut back allot on my play since it seams near impossible to win anything these days.

 

[interlog]

Why would any slot designer/manufacturer want to rig their slots when they are designed to make money for the casino without any interference by anybody? They are literally cash cows for any casino because the way they are designed to give a good percentage of what is put in straight into the casino coffers.

If this rigging (at slot level, i.e. Netent as indicated in the previous post) were to be the case and if it ever were to come out, that'll surely be the end of online casinos.

 

[Jono777]

Why would any slot designer/manufacturer want to rig their slots when they are designed to make money for the casino without any interference by anybody? They are literally cash cows for any casino because the way they are designed to give a good percentage of what is put in straight into the casino coffers.

If this rigging (at slot level, i.e. Netent as indicated in the previous post) were to be the case and if it ever were to come out, that'll surely be the end of online casinos.

This is why the secrets and truths are buried in an indestructible capsule buried miles below the bottom of the deepest Oceans

 

[Jhonson90]

Hi all , i have incredibly reached wagered request with a balance of just over € 2.000, I requested the withdrawal,
I wanted to post winner video but apparently I can't get big wins on Redbet, reach wagered was a huge effort,
i recovered only a quarter of the amount deposited but I must be content to strength.
Thank you Alex for bonus.
Cheers.

 

[whatwhat]

Cash out your winnings and try to not deposit it back is my tip. Better to get something back than nothing.

 

[Jhonson90]

Obvious Epilogue

Hi all, after seventy-five days the very negative trend has not changed, when it was good the only slot that allowed me to break even with
deposits made within 24-48 hours is Gorilla Go Wild ... Raging Rhino, Montezuma, Dead or Alive are been a disaster
for seventy-four days ... had one good day ... seventy-five days are a more than adequate to see a trend in the long term ...
i was never able to have the satisfaction of winning a decent amount to comparison of the amounts deposited ...
accordingly as well as expensive now the game had become predictable and boring ...on 32red the situation is different ...
so today I closed the account on Redbet with a 80% loss that is really terrible but it was the only thing to do to not worsen the budget...
clearly it's just my experience.
Cheers.