My online slots videos (plus UK AWPs)

[ChopleyIOM]

totally understand, and having come across a few of the fruit machine fans on another forum they're not the sort of people you cross lightly , also it is a bit of a niche subject whereas there's tons of gaming channels on youtube already, and you're keeping the fruit machine history alive which I respect. BTW if you don't mind me asking how do you get 4 slot games on 1 screen as you did in the session of doom? [ loved the intro, getting into the tiger's cage etc... lol, a lot of funny stuff in that vid]

It's your channel, you can do what the hell you want with it

I think the balance is right anyway, and far better to just do slot sessions on the major releases, given the time allocated to making the videos. And as you say, in the intervening years of your slot hiatus the games have dipped noticeably

You're not a streamer per se, so slot compilation highlights are fine too, and tell you pretty much everything one needs to know

Of course not everyone's gonna agree, some will want pure slotting mayhem 24/7, some more video games but there are many YouTubers that alternate media.

And much like you, video games/ computing will always be my first passion, slots are considerably down the list but manage to be the most time- consuming and expensive

So just keep doing what you're doing Chopley

Cheers guys appreciate the comments. I think you're right that the best thing to do is just follow my nose and make the videos I want to make. Ultimately if I'm making videos that I'm not genuinely interested in making, it'll come through in the quality anyway. As the channel isn't monetised in any way, and I've never set up a a Patreon account or asked for any donations, it's not like I 'owe' anyone anything in that regard.

As for your question about playing four slots at once mack, IIRC it was a feature that Redbet had recently added (at the time), similar to the tiling of the slots you can do at Videoslots. I have a 27 inch 1440p screen so it's possibly to have four slots running simultaneously and keep them all at a reasonable size and resolution.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Sorry @ChopleyIOM but I had to stop watching once you mentioned "that game." I'm trying to avoid all spoilers as I know come Christmas time that game will be on sale as the hype will have died down.

I think the whole discussion about value for entertainment even deserves it's own thread. I managed to get "The Last Of Us" for £9.99, yet in terms of online casinos they consider that too little an amount to even accept your money. That game was so good I felt it was priceless and it does make one think about the money you spend for entertainment vs gambling. I suppose with gambling you can actually make money and that's what makes it unique, but when you are an experienced player you know the writing is on the wall the moment you deposit and that voice in the back of your head telling you this is stupid...

Completely understand Jory, I did spoiler-tag the video in the description so that folks wouldn't get blindsided by anything If you skip to 55m33s there's a round-up of all the consoles after the God Of War section.

The 'value for money' (or lack thereof) when it comes to online slots is the main reason I tend not to get overly involved. I often have slots running in demo mode when I'm doing other stuff (Danger High Voltage is running at the moment on the other side of my screen, and earlier on I did a few hundred spins on Jumanji), and the ease and regularity with which you can get £100-£200 down on £1 spins in a short time is quite hair-raising IMO, and to me that's money that if it were real, could have been massively better spent on tangible things. (My extended tussle with Afterlife Inferno a few weeks ago was enough to put me off getting seriously involved for months, I think.)

It's not like I can't afford it, this is all just disposable income that I'm free to spend on whatever I want - I simply think online slots are a poor choice for that spending.

I honestly feel slots are worse now than they were five or six years ago, how mega-variance nonsense like Bonanza/Donuts/DHV have become normalised I really have no idea. It's actually rather insulting that the slot companies think it's acceptable to shunt out slots with a 1/400 or 1/460 bonus round frequency and expect players to lap it up on the vague promise of unlimited multipliers and wins of 10000x or 15000x stake, when we know full well that most players could play from now until the end of time and never experience anything close to that sort of win. (If they're going to pimp out their slots based on such grandiose claims, they should be compelled to reveal the odds of the events occurring, this is something the UKGC should make mandatory.)

 

[dunover]

Completely understand Jory, I did
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(If they're going to pimp out their slots based on such grandiose claims, they should be compelled to reveal the odds of the events occurring, this is something the UKGC should make mandatory.)

Why? Do the UK lottery tickets have a paragraph containing odds of all the possible prizes on the back of them? The scratch cards? This isn't horseracing or football betting which are comparatively simple, the slots like Bonanza with varying reel rows plus huge reel maps are incredibly complex which is why they are tested for billions of spins! The proposition you suggest is nearly impossible to be anything but vague!

For example getting 2 ways of 60AK diamonds (100x) in the base game happens say about every 50,000 spins (based on my approximate total of spins divided by the 3 times I have seen it occur). Let's transpose that to the feature where it would give 1000x if on a 10x plus multiplier:

The feature occurs every 460 spins and on average each bonus over time (accounting for 5-scatter+ triggers and retriggers) awards 15 spins as opposed to the standard 12. Your feature has a 50-50 chance of attaining 10x multiplier. So every 920 spins you will have 1+ spins on a 10x plus feature multiplier - for argument's sake say the average 10x spins would be 2 (it could be 1 or it could be 9 depending on which free spin the 10x was accumulated). Overall therefore you are playing 2@ 10x multiplier free spins every 920 spins. At 50,000/1 that would suggest a 1000x win formed of 6-OF-A-KIND diamonds would occur every 23 million spins.

Obviously there are numerous ways 1000x could be formed, a massive hit on a mere 4x multiplier or a smaller Aces hit say on a 20x multiplier so overall 1000x hits are far more common than 1/23m but already you can see with the variables possible in the feature i.e. spins available, attained multiplier and varying rows each time that odds could be little more than vague. No good could come of it. This harks back to the testing whereby billions of results are run and the biggest hits are isolated, say those of 5000x plus and 10,000 plus and 20,000x plus. Run ten billion spins again and those hits would be different each time due to their infrequency and the maths complexity. So all they can do is run these tests of billions of results and ensure each time (regardless of freak wins) that the RTP is on or extremely near the TRTP for the complex reel maps and maths model.

All they could realistically say was 'In 50 billion spins we saw 1 win of 100,000x, 3 of 50,000x and 70 of 5,000x and 40,000 of 1000x' or something.

It's like asking an astronomer how often would there be a day when all the planets and all their moons lined up perfectly? Is it possible and if so when?'
The answer would probably be 'It could happen but it's fucking, fucking unlikely.'

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Why? Do the UK lottery tickets have a paragraph containing odds of all the possible prizes on the back of them? The scratch cards?

Well, yes, that's exactly what they do.

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All they could realistically say was 'In 50 billion spins we saw 1 win of 100,000x, 3 of 50,000x and 70 of 5,000x and 40,000 of 1000x' or something.

Yep, that'd be absolutely perfect, and is what should be legislated for.

 

[dunover]

Well, yes, that's exactly what they do.

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Yep, that'd be absolutely perfect, and is what should be legislated for.

I bow to your lottery knowledge - as you can tell I buy lottery cards/tickets about as often as I have good sex.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

It was something I looked into a few years ago, as I was trying to explain to people why the lottery and all its associated products are such a rip-off.

The RTP of the scratchcards is generally around 60-70% (!!!), and as you can see in that table, the prize distribution is horrible, with most of that 70% being loaded into 'money back' prizes or 2x your stake, which is why so many people just use their 'winnings' to get more cards until they lose.

Euromillions is even worse, with an RTP of 50%.

 

[slotter999]

similar to the tiling of the slots you can do at Videoslots. I have a 27 inch 1440p screen so it's possibly to have four slots running simultaneously and keep them all at a reasonable size and resolution.

This just becomes too much information on screen. Thrills have this feature and whenever I've done it it's hard to keep up.

 

[mack341]

This just becomes too much information on screen. Thrills have this feature and whenever I've done it it's hard to keep up.

good fun for experiments, none of the casinos I'm at have it, I would like to have 2 running at the same time. I've just worked out how to get diamond mine running in the background while I'm reading the forum on another window. On games with a 450/1 bonus frequency its good to be busy doing something else, in a superstitious way I sometimes think the bonus or big win will land if I'm not watching it.

Going back to the odds of wins on a slot game, given the jackpot on a fobt slot game is limited to £500 which at £2 would be 250x, how would the odds for that 'win' compare to the same slot online which doesn't have the £500 limitation?

It could be on a fobt the odds are actually lower than online; a £2,000 win online at £2 stake would pay for 4 £500 wins on the fobt, so the variance online could be higher than the fobt's in the shop. [I know the fobts run at a lower rtp so maybe that makes the difference]

It would be interesting and only the ukgc and the slot maker etc would know how many 250x wins a fotb gives out in a million spins and how many the same game online gives out?

People might say I don't want my potential to win big to be limited, but two 1,000 x wins equals the same as one 2,000x win, the odds for the 1,000x wins occuring will be lower. Im not sure its a good thing having a lot of the rtp set aside for wins above 1,500 x , better to have more big wins available to more people. Or at least with the odds published the consumer who wants high or low variance can choose which one they want.

 

[slotter999]

good fun for experiments, none of the casinos I'm at have it, I would like to have 2 running at the same time. I've just worked out how to get diamond mine running in the background while I'm reading the forum on another window. On games with a 450/1 bonus frequency its good to be busy doing something else, in a superstitious way I sometimes think the bonus or big win will land if I'm not watching it.

Going back to the odds of wins on a slot game, given the jackpot on a fobt slot game is limited to £500 which at £2 would be 250x, how would the odds for that 'win' compare to the same slot online which doesn't have the £500 limitation?

It could be on a fobt the odds are actually lower than online; a £2,000 win online at £2 stake would pay for 4 £500 wins on the fobt, so the variance online could be higher than the fobt's in the shop. [I know the fobts run at a lower rtp so maybe that makes the difference]

It would be interesting and only the ukgc and the slot maker etc would know how many 250x wins a fotb gives out in a million spins and how many the same game online gives out?

People might say I don't want my potential to win big to be limited, but two 1,000 x wins equals the same as one 2,000x win, the odds for the 1,000x wins occuring will be lower. Im not sure its a good thing having a lot of the rtp set aside for wins above 1,500 x , better to have more big wins available to more people. Or at least with the odds published the consumer who wants high or low variance can choose which one they want.

I'm not entirely sure why you quoted me as your post doesn't seem related to mine.

But if you look around you can find very very detailed studies of the FOBT statistics. The big bet studies are particularly interesting....spoiler alert.....2 out of 3 big bets will be a losing event :-(

 

[mack341]

I'm not entirely sure why you quoted me as your post doesn't seem related to mine.

But if you look around you can find very very detailed studies of the FOBT statistics. The big bet studies are particularly interesting....spoiler alert.....2 out of 3 big bets will be a losing event :-(

Sorry I didn't mean to cause any confusion, the first paragraph was intended to be a reply to your post. To play with four screens for real money would also be too much for me, I wouldn't enjoy it at all trying to follow what was happening but for experiments in free play It could be useful.

Two games running at once using real money would be good, if one of the games was playing 'hotter' you could just bin off the other one, whereas when I play one game at a time I tend to stick with it and lose too much.

 

[cotteril]

I keep viewing this thread hoping for another Chopley video and all I see is exchanges between the World of Gaycraft brigade.

This is my hope also.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I keep viewing this thread hoping for another Chopley video and all I see is exchanges between the World of Gaycraft brigade.

Here you go then, Mr Moany

 

[Balthazar]

Here you go then, Mr Moany

Man those old MGS games didn't age well. Good vid as always.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Man those old MGS games didn't age well. Good vid as always.

TBH I think Big Kahuna Snakes & Ladders still holds up as a decent slot, albeit as a rather basic affair. The bonus round is IMO what a lot of modern slots are missing, something that will regularly kick back up to 100x stake to keep a session trundling along if nothing else on the slot is hitting. (If you look at the RTP figures at the end, it actually paid a little bit over RTP despite me saying during recording it was playing badly.)

Tomb Raider I admit looked very poor but as I commented in the video, the web based version of it is pretty nasty, unless it's the old rose-tinteds coming into play I remember the old Viper client version as being much smoother with far more animations. (And this one paid comfortably over RTP despite the first main bonus round paying zero.)

For future sessions I think I'll work on the same principle, OLD SLOT + NEW SLOT, and have one of each running side-by-side.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

And here's Part 2

NOTE - This video contains extra info about Videoslots wagering that some people might not be aware of, (and corrections to some of my previous statements about it), I'll bring that up separately in the VS thread. The section of the video is from 6m25s to 21m00s

 

[goatwack]

I was hesitant about watching it at first, but DJ Wild sold it

 

[mack341]

Actually I confess to having no idea who mr dj Wild is, but I found this nice picture he sent to all his fans:

 

[goatwack]

Actually I confess to having no idea who mr dj Wild is, but I found a nice picture he sent to all his fans:

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He's trying to convey that since changing brands, his contact lenses haven't been the same

 

[ChopleyIOM]

For those who watched the previous video, here's a reupload from 2012 of Hitman behaving himself!

 

[lotusch]

Gonna watch that now with a cuppa Chopley.

 

[mack341]

For those who watched the previous video, here's a reupload from 2012 of Hitman behaving himself!

If I apologise sincerely on behalf of daniel morris for spilling your pint would you give consideration to doing a lets play of the video game Hitman?

I think this would be a must watch event

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I'm hoping to get a review of EVERYBODY'S GOLF done in the fairly near future, and also GOD OF WAR now that I've finished the campaign and made good progress into the endgame.

I haven't played a Hitman game for years, although I was thinking of having a crack at the new one at some point.

Also I've just bought NO MAN'S SKY for my XBox One X, so that's another potential time sink

 

[lotusch]

And here's Part 2

NOTE - This video contains extra info about Videoslots wagering that some people might not be aware of, (and corrections to some of my previous statements about it), I'll bring that up separately in the VS thread. The section of the video is from 6m25s to 21m00s

I really enjoyed this video Chopley.
Can listen to you for hours.
I would only ever listen so comfortable to Morgan Freeman, one of my favorite actors.

And the way you dissected that Videoslots bonus into little pieces and exactly explained how it works, my two thumbs up for that.
I rarely play with bonuses and if I see how the VS bonus actually works, I know now why I don't like bonuses.
Too complicated and it takes 30 reads of the bonus t&c's to actually comprehend what is going on.
Took that 200% bonus myself a few times but never was able to complete it.

Not surprised you didn't beat this bonus with the slots you played mostly in this session. (In part 2)..
Hitman is a great slot, love it, but think it is defo not suitable to grind out a bonus unless you hit big on that contract hit bonus.
DJ wild is one of the slots I tried when it came out and quickly after banned from my list as it is actually utterly boring. The music and graphs are good but the game play is booooring.

Anyway keep em coming.
Love your vids mate.

I actually only watch your videos and the ones from Dunover as I know they are genuine.
Not this utter (fake) streaming crap content that is polluting Youtube.

Mark.

 

[dunover]

I'm hoping to get a review of EVERYBODY'S GOLF done in the fairly near future, and also GOD OF WAR now that I've finished the campaign and made good progress into the endgame.

I haven't played a Hitman game for years, although I was thinking of having a crack at the new one at some point.

Also I've just bought NO MAN'S SKY for my XBox One X, so that's another potential time sink

I remember your (s)Hitman Daniel hit 45.00 x 5 IIRC. And you once got the 5 Tanzanites on BDBA with wild for 300 quid. If you search old screenies I got the best Sniper icon on Hitman each top corner with 3 wild reels and got something like 900x for it and I also got your 5x Daniel hit.

Videoslots' RTP/wagering contribution is highly flawed as it doesn't take into account the base game RTP allocated minus feature RTP. It's likely they don't know this for most slots, but as you infer a 94% slot which has say 75%+ allocated to the base game RTP (see the Cayetano games for example) is a far better wagering proposition than a 97% game with say 65% allocated to base game RTP.

I am very surprised you chose Hitman for a wagering attempt!! It's very volatile and can go on notorious runs of thousands of spins without seeing even a 50x feature or win. It's the last game I'd have chosen - brave man!

 

[goatwack]

Looks like this format is the way to go, I'd've said.

So for the next video games piece I expect a side-by-side breakdown of Ms Pacman vs God of War 4