My campaign to get Rival powered casinos on the accredited list.

lee_bumble

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Why the hell aren't ALL Rival casinos on the accredited list.

They pay fast. The only slow withdrawal is the first one, which in my experience is 2-5 days. After that, when you have sent in your docs if needed it usually a few hours, at most 24-48 depending if its a weekend.

Decent customer service.

Decent bonuses. Play through not to extreme

The slots are pretty good. You got your low and high variances to suit different flavours of customers.

Table and speciality games are also quite good.

So it only leaves me the question why aren't Rival on the list.

downers:

I would like to see a play through meter of some sort on there.

So come on people:

I'm sure you have way more input than me so lets here it.
 

GGW Laurie

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Why the hell aren't ALL Rival casinos on the accredited list.
They pay fast. The only slow withdrawal is the first one, which in my experience is 2-5 days. After that, when you have sent in your docs if needed it usually a few hours, at most 24-48 depending if its a weekend.

Decent customer service.

Decent bonuses. Play through not to extreme

The slots are pretty good. You got your low and high variances to suit different flavours of customers.

Table and speciality games are also quite good.

So it only leaves me the question why aren't Rival on the list.

downers:

I would like to see a play through meter of some sort on there.

So come on people:

I'm sure you have way more input than me so lets here it.

Ask our Canadian friends about Rival right now? :mad: A really good question Lee but i have to show solidarity for my Canadian forum buddies:)...........laurie
 

jas2587

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I think it also has to do with the payout charts are never right

KK will know more


Cindy

Good answer Laurie
 

winbig

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Or how about Rival instantly banning players for "bonus abuse" when they're lucky enough to win on a slots only bonus? :rolleyes:

Sure, some Rival's will get you off this ban list, but I guess that fits into their motto:

"Guilty until proven innocent."
 

Nifty29

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Or how about Rival instantly banning players for "bonus abuse" when they're lucky enough to win on a slots only bonus?

Yup, Im afraid that does it for me too.

I actually had a casino manager offer to reconsider my bonus banning IF I agreed to take a 100% bonus and WAGER DOUBLE the requirements to allow the system to re-assess my bonusworthiness(?). I politely declined. The same manager also stated that the system was not efficient and that it DOES in fact measure how much you wager beyond the requirement before you cashout.....interesting that when I stated that I always leave something behind to keep playing after cashing out (and inevitably lose it), the manager said that the system doesnt take that into account....which he and I both agreed that it should. If I cashed out right after meeting WR and walked away then I would have been better off, and in fact it wouldnt have made a difference to my bonus status so I may as well have done it lol. Also, I said there is no way for me to know how much I am over or under the WR anyway (without counting each bet which I wouldnt bother with) so the whole idea is ridiculous.

Just increase all WR by 30% and stop this stupid bonus banning system :rolleyes:

The only Rival I might consider supporting for Accreditation is SlotoCash as they dont seem to follow most of the stupid rules and systems of other Rivals, and they pay ALWAYS within 24 hours and sometimes 2 hours! In comparison, I waited 6 days for my last Neteller cashout from Absolute Slots (not my first btw) which IMO is Absolute S*it. I guess at least I have a few more spare MBs now :)
 

chuchu59

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I doubt whether this is the right time for accreditation bar Slotocash but this one too has dropped a notch due to it giving 5 days to Canadians initially to clear their balances. Though this has now been amended it does show they hadnt given much thought to their emails before sending them out.

For the other Rivals, other than the games not being fixed correctly, I am afraid that many of us still remembered what happened last year when payments were stalled for more than a month or so without ample reasoning. On the issue of bonus abuse, while casinos have the right to deny bonuses to anyone they wish, it is quite disgraceful that they rely simply on an outdated system where if you took some bonuses that reached their limit or if you just happened to play not much more than their required playthrough, you are deemed to be a bonus abuser and believe me, they are indignant about it.

While still a far cry from what occured last year, it does seem that many of them are using the 2-5 day processing time as a norm rather than the exception. If it hasnt reached the 5-day limit and you dare to ask them for the whereabouts of your withdrawal, you will get a retort where they ask you why you should be enquiring when the 5-day limit hasnt been reached yet.

Then there is also the issue of sudden withdrawal of bonuses which led to a player being refused his cashback despite having been eligible for it. The cashback was earned due to his previous play and nothing to do with offering him further bonuses. This is plain theft imo.

They should now devise a new system where continuous play without bonuses should render them eligible for bonuses again. I know that some of us will argue that this can only be given at the casino's discretion. However, the casinos should learn that they havent shed any transparency on this and prohibiting true players from bonuses esp those for their birthdays and festive occasions leaves a bad taste in the mouth. They should revise the system to consistently monitor deposits and play and render them eligible again where possible. Dont make us feel like criminals who are there only for your bonuses. They still come with a playthrough and in some cases are nearly impossible to meet.
 

KasinoKing

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The only Rival I might consider supporting for Accreditation is SlotoCash as they dont seem to follow most of the stupid rules and systems of other Rivals, and they pay ALWAYS within 24 hours and sometimes 2 hours! In comparison, I waited 6 days for my last Neteller cashout from Absolute Slots (not my first btw) which IMO is Absolute S*it. I guess at least I have a few more spare MBs now :)
Yup - I agree about Sloto!
I've actually met the owner twice - though I didn't know it was the owner the first time: This person is from the north of England (Yorkshire area?) and is unbelievably down-to earth, honest & amicable. They actually sat outside in the rain in Barcelona with just me & a mate for over an hour just chatting & having a laugh over a few beers. When I found out it was the owner (and not just an affiliate rep as I had thought) at Bryan's party this week my jaw literally hit the table! But now I know why the players like the casino so much - honesty & no bullshit.
They are the only Rival (that I know of) who have their own money processor separate from all the others, and they either have or are shortly getting their own independent customer support too (in 6-7 languages!) :thumbsup:
(Can't quite remember - I'd had a few by then! :rolleyes:)

KK
 

Tengil

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Also agree on Sloto, the only one I would consider.

The other ones, well thats another case. At least Bonne Chance Rivals are closer to roguedom than accreditation IMO.
At one point they bonusbanned all Finns but failed to update the T&Cs accordingly. They sent misleading promoemails like for example deposit and play x$ and get y$ on Sunday, of course you didnt get anything.
They have at least on 2 occasions had severe cashflow issues.

Edit: Still couldnt find anything mentioned in the T&Cs about players from Finland being bonusbanned. What a lousy group.
 
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zebedy

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yep i also agree about sloto i dont have anything bad to say about them and never heard of anyone saying a bad word about them, they give regular bonuses, pay fast,
the only problem i had with them wasnt really there fault, it was the support person not knowing what he was talking about,(shared support sucks) and a quick phone call from sloto soon sorted it out, and if they are getting there own independant support, :thumbsup:
 

RobWin

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Most of you guys are missing the bigger picture here, "Accreditation" is not simply a free listing at Casinomeister, the casinos that are on the "Accredited List" are also there because they choose to pay a fee to be listed there and more importantly they have passed Bryan's rigorous "Accreditation Process"

I would also guess that the fee associated with their being listed on the "CM Casinos List" is well worth the fees that they pay because of the notoriety and popularity of the "CM Accredited List", so in the end it gains the casinos many more customers by being listed on it.

I'm also purdy sure that there are a few good casinos out there in Cyberland that would also like that extra boost they could get from being on the "Accredited List" but simply do not want to or can not afford to pay the monthly listing fees for whatever reason.

I'm sure if I am wrong here that Bryan or one of the mods will set me/us straight on this here.

As a footnote before any of you guys wonder why Bryan would charge a fee to them, this site costs money to run and a lot I would imagine, if it were my site and it had been on the internet as long as Bryan has had this one up and had all of the expenses to maintain that Bryan does...I too, would charge them a fee to be listed here, nothing is free in the business world.
 
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soflat

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I'm no big fan of theirs anymore. If they want to be accredited, let them take up the cause themselves.
 

classymom

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I'm no big fan of theirs anymore. If they want to be accredited, let them take up the cause themselves.

I am a fan of theirs, but that is a very good question - Why has not 1 Rival requested to be accredited by CM ?
 

classymom

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Most of you guys are missing the bigger picture here, "Accreditation" is not simply a free listing at Casinomeister, the casinos that are on the "Accredited List" are also there because they choose to pay a fee to be listed there and more importantly they have passed Bryan's rigorous "Accreditation Process"

I would also guess that the fee associated with their being listed on the "CM Casinos List" is well worth the fees that they pay because of the notoriety and popularity of the "CM Accredited List", so in the end it gains the casinos many more customers by being listed on it.

I'm also purdy sure that there are a few good casinos out there in Cyberland that would also like that extra boost they could get from being on the "Accredited List" but simply do not want to or can not afford to pay the monthly listing fees for whatever reason.

I'm sure if I am wrong here that Bryan or one of the mods will set me/us straight on this here.

As a footnote before any of you guys wonder why Bryan would charge a fee to them, this site costs money to run and a lot I would imagine, if it were my site and it had been on the internet as long as Bryan has had this one up and had all of the expenses to maintain that Bryan does...I too, would charge them a fee to be listed here, nothing is free in the business world.

Oops - I guess my computer shot right to page 2- Thanks - good post.
 

Nifty29

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Thanks Rob :notworthy

On the subject of Rival, here is the latest offering from a new Rival.

Wagering Requirement: bonus x 50
Bonus wins may be cashed out only after meeting wagering requirement and making a deposit of $35. Max withdrawal for no deposit bonus is $100.
Bonus is not activated in table games and video poker games.



The way I read it, if you win and cashout on the freebie you wont be able to claim the 1st dep bonus - the software counts the # of deposits and it will disappear from the cashier. Not only that, but after you deposit the $35 does it mean you can withdraw $135?? What happens if you actually claim the 1st dep bonus on that $35?? If you lose all of it except $100, can you still withdraw it? (considering you won that with the freebie??). Another silly bonus setup :rolleyes:
 

solarrocker

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Not only that, but after you deposit the $35 does it mean you can withdraw $135?? What happens if you actually claim the 1st dep bonus on that $35?? If you lose all of it except $100, can you still withdraw it? (considering you won that with the freebie??). Another silly bonus setup :rolleyes:

You can withdraw the win and deposit after you make the deposit if you have no promotion claimed on the deposit, if you do then you can only withdraw the win and have to play the deposit to be able to withdraw from that. At least that what I know, also I thought the deposit amount you had to do was $25 not $35, at least that what they told me the first time I withdrew from a no deposit promotion.
 

chuchu59

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Thanks Rob :notworthy

On the subject of Rival, here is the latest offering from a new Rival.





The way I read it, if you win and cashout on the freebie you wont be able to claim the 1st dep bonus - the software counts the # of deposits and it will disappear from the cashier. Not only that, but after you deposit the $35 does it mean you can withdraw $135?? What happens if you actually claim the 1st dep bonus on that $35?? If you lose all of it except $100, can you still withdraw it? (considering you won that with the freebie??). Another silly bonus setup :rolleyes:

Nifty,

I noticed that too and in fact when I made my first deposit where I didnt claim any bonus , the offer disappeared in the cashier. However, I wrote them an email about this and the next time I logged into the cashier, lo and behold, there was a message for me stating that the 3 offers have been reinstated. I have already used one of them. Busted out though :D.
 

LaHutti

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Also agree on Sloto, the only one I would consider.

The other ones, well thats another case. At least Bonne Chance Rivals are closer to roguedom than accreditation IMO.
At one point they bonusbanned all Finns but failed to update the T&Cs accordingly. They sent misleading promoemails like for example deposit and play x$ and get y$ on Sunday, of course you didnt get anything.
They have at least on 2 occasions had severe cashflow issues.

Edit: Still couldnt find anything mentioned in the T&Cs about players from Finland being bonusbanned. What a lousy group.


You can add Danish players to that .. how stupid !
Sloto is the only Rival that doesn't bonus ban danish players, or have double wr compared to people from other countries, before they even deposit and play (SLOTS of all games)for the first time, afaik.
Would make things easier if they just put it on their websites, that they do not wish to have danish players in their casino.
 

vinylweatherman

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Most of you guys are missing the bigger picture here, "Accreditation" is not simply a free listing at Casinomeister, the casinos that are on the "Accredited List" are also there because they choose to pay a fee to be listed there and more importantly they have passed Bryan's rigorous "Accreditation Process"

I would also guess that the fee associated with their being listed on the "CM Casinos List" is well worth the fees that they pay because of the notoriety and popularity of the "CM Accredited List", so in the end it gains the casinos many more customers by being listed on it.

I'm also purdy sure that there are a few good casinos out there in Cyberland that would also like that extra boost they could get from being on the "Accredited List" but simply do not want to or can not afford to pay the monthly listing fees for whatever reason.

I'm sure if I am wrong here that Bryan or one of the mods will set me/us straight on this here.

As a footnote before any of you guys wonder why Bryan would charge a fee to them, this site costs money to run and a lot I would imagine, if it were my site and it had been on the internet as long as Bryan has had this one up and had all of the expenses to maintain that Bryan does...I too, would charge them a fee to be listed here, nothing is free in the business world.

I think this question has been raised before, and there is no fee simply for being accredited, however, accreditation comes with the right to advertise on the site, and it is this that comes with a fee. Charging a fee merely to be accredited would be a problem because it would create a conflict of interest, and prejudice the impartiality of the process. A casino can be accredited, but choose not to advertise on the site, presumably they would be choosing not to pay for advertising, but this should not mean that making this choice causes it to be removed from the accredited list. I expect the majority, if not all, casino that make the accredited list then pay for advertising banners on the site, so in this respect, "all" accredited casinos would end up paying a fee, making cause and effect somewhat confusing to interpret.

I expect Bryan, once again, can explain this when ICEi is over.
 

RobWin

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I think this question has been raised before, and there is no fee simply for being accredited, however, accreditation comes with the right to advertise on the site, and it is this that comes with a fee. Charging a fee merely to be accredited would be a problem because it would create a conflict of interest, and prejudice the impartiality of the process. A casino can be accredited, but choose not to advertise on the site, presumably they would be choosing not to pay for advertising, but this should not mean that making this choice causes it to be removed from the accredited list. I expect the majority, if not all, casino that make the accredited list then pay for advertising banners on the site, so in this respect, "all" accredited casinos would end up paying a fee, making cause and effect somewhat confusing to interpret.

I expect Bryan, once again, can explain this when ICEi is over.

Yea, I agree on your points there Vinyl but if the casino is in the "List" of "Accredited Casinos" they are in fact advertising here (imo) as you can simply click their link and be led to their site, whether it be by Bryan being an affiliate of the casino or the casino simply paying the monthly fee to be listed here. And if there were "Accredited Casinos" that were not in the actual list here then how would anyone ever know that they were in fact "Accredited" if they were not in the list?

There are very few here that have any type of banner advertising, so we may be splitting hairs on this one, IMO. But as I said in my original post...

"if it were my site and it had been on the internet as long as Bryan has had this one up and had all of the expenses to maintain that Bryan does...I too, would charge them a fee to be listed here, nothing is free in the business world".
 

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"if it were my site and it had been on the internet as long as Bryan has had this one up and had all of the expenses to maintain that Bryan does...I too, would charge them a fee to be listed here, nothing is free in the business world".
Ahh but then Bryan and Casinomeister would be just like CAP.

If Bryan charged a fee, there would always be questions about sites that are listed here, like CAP has about the sites they list.

Would sites get removed from Bryan's accredited list just for not paying Bryan's fee... Or added to his list for just paying his fee, like what happens at CAP?

I think Bryan has chosen just about the only way to stay impartial in a world full of people that want everyone to take sides and everyone just assumes that money is deciding factor.

I do believe that like me, Bryan's main concern is not about making money. I know that sounds stupid, but it is what I believe.
 

lee_bumble

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Interesting

Sorry i haven't been able to comment on my own thread. my Internet connection has been down the last few days.
what i found most interesting is the fact that the casino has to pay to get accredited. how in depth does brain go when the casino asks for accreditation? i mean is the process really thorough? if it is do you get the feeling they may have somthing to hide?
all i can say though, win or lose i have had great experience with rivals.
 

RobWin

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That is not correct.
There is no fee I am aware of to be on Bryan's(Casinomeisters) Accredited list.

I think at this point we all may be confused here and maybe the Meister himself can step in here and clear it up for all of us.:thumbsup:
 

zebedy

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Casinomeister Accredited Casinos, Poker Rooms, and Skill Games
These online properties endorsed by Casinomeister have met the following standards and therefore are deemed "accredited".

How the choice is made: I will meet face to face with the persons managing the casino, poker room, or skill game property before it's listed on this site to ensure that the following criteria and standards are agreed upon.


They must be able to take care of any player issue swiftly and professionally
They must adhere to their own Terms and Conditions.
They must only use seals, banners, logos, etc. to which they are entitled.
They must have no affiliation with "fake" players' advocacy groups.
They must be willing to divulge information about their business.
They must have a clean history of fairness towards their customers.
They must not use spam as a marketing tool.
They must not accept bets from jurisdictions where it is considered unlawful.
They must be licensed in a jurisdiction that offers gambling licenses.* *Under special circumstances, I will endorse casinos located in Costa Rica. This endorsement is based mainly on the casino's history of professionalism and player satisfaction.

i doubt bryan could/would charge a fee for being on an accredited list,
 
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