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Mr Casinomeister, has a bad casino ever turned good?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by RikkiGT-R, Mar 15, 2013.

    Mar 15, 2013
  1. RikkiGT-R

    RikkiGT-R Non-Gambler

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    Casinos appear to be continually added to the rogue list over time, and apparently there is always a chance for redemption. But is the reverse genuinely possible?
    Has a Rogue casino ever cleaned up it's ways and become accredited?
     
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  2. Mar 15, 2013
  3. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    Interesting question!

    You can do some research here by the way:

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    It's quite interesting what the past looks like :D This was the first (archived) rogues list from 2003:

    * not really!

    What is quite interesting is if you do a "where are they now?" on that list LOL. I'm not sure the MGM Casinos on that list is THE MGM though!
     
  4. Mar 15, 2013
  5. chayton

    chayton aka LooHoo CAG PABnonaccred webmeister

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    I can't think of any except with a change of owners/management - like Golden Lounge. It seems to me that they on their way to rogue city when they were bought by 32Red.
     
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  6. Mar 15, 2013
  7. RikkiGT-R

    RikkiGT-R Non-Gambler

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    Is there genuinely NO ex-rogues? Statistically that's really quite phenomenal isn't it?
     
  8. Mar 15, 2013
  9. lnspin

    lnspin Senior Member webmeister

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    Looks like 32red is third on that list. If its the same one there now one of the best casinos out there
     
  10. Mar 16, 2013
  11. chayton

    chayton aka LooHoo CAG PABnonaccred webmeister

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    lol, Simmo has a little tiny disclaimer there at the bottom...

    Edit: I find it interesting that all except the last two on that list are extinct now, aren't they Simmo?
     
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  12. Mar 16, 2013
  13. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes that's what I reckon too Chayton.

    Simmo has a little tiny disclaimer there at the bottom ;)
     
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  14. Mar 16, 2013
  15. RikkiGT-R

    RikkiGT-R Non-Gambler

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    :lolup:

    I honestly don't like 32Red on a personal level, but I think they opened shop at the top of the business and have never looked back.
     
  16. Mar 16, 2013
  17. maxd

    maxd Complaints (PAB) Manager Staff Member

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    Yeah, MGM took a shot at it back in the day when it looked like the US might go legal. As I recall it was out-sourced crap and pretty much DOA.

    Don't think that's quite true. As mentioned 32 Red bought a number of properties that were Rogue/Pending Rogue and (obviously) turned them around. There are a few other examples, some are work-in-progress. There have also been some big-news turn-arounds like Kahnawake, for instance.

    It doesn't happen a lot but it does happen.
     
  18. Mar 16, 2013
  19. nikantw

    nikantw Ueber Meister MM PABaccred

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    It sounds like a business opportunity. You buy a rogue casino that it's suicidal management made it worth peanuts, and with your knowhow and reputation you turn it into gold! :)
     
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  20. Mar 16, 2013
  21. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    Of those 2 Virtual is rogue of course but Windows may probably have gone non-rogue after change of ownership from the previous Tony Friedman. They also branched out to use the playtech software in addition to the former usage of rtg software.
     
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  22. Mar 16, 2013
  23. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    It's a very risky strategy. A current example is Media Corp (MDC) who ran Purple Lounge. I won't go into the story as it's dealt with elsewhere but the bottom line is it went "rogue" and the shell was effectively bought by a new company to launch a new product but they have struggled with the legacy left them ever since. When (or if!) their product makes some money, who's to say they won't face lawsuits from all and sundry for past misdemeanours? It's pointless suing someone with no money but if they manage to turn it round...! Risky.

    It's more sensible (if you know what you are doing obviously!) building a new brand from scratch than buying a black sheep IMO.
     
  24. Mar 16, 2013
  25. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Good question. The Rogue pit has been around for over a decade - in fact, "Rogue casino" was coined by yours truly and has become a common term in gamblers' lingo. :D

    Looking at the archives, and the old files I have on my hard drive, there are many instances of good casinos going bad, good casinos having hiccups (fall from grace) but getting it together and becoming good again, and a few that can't make up their minds what they want to do (888.com, Betfair, etc.).

    But no casino that I can tell was first a rogue (or not recommended) and then became accredited. Except for Golden Lounge - but this was a change in ownership so that doesn't count.

    I would still challenge any casino that is in the pit to give it a shot - but unfortunately, many casinos that are rogue are there because of poor business ethics. Business ethics don't normally change within a company unless the company is sold or taken over by totally different individuals. That doesn't happen so often in this industry.
     
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  26. Mar 16, 2013
  27. Balthazar

    Balthazar The Governor

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    Yeah but new ownership doesn't (or shouldn't) count.

    The gaming commission? Not a casino.

    So it does look like it never happened after all. I'm quite shocked actually that no rogue casino in history got its shit together and got accredited later on.
     
  28. Mar 16, 2013
  29. RikkiGT-R

    RikkiGT-R Non-Gambler

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    Me too. Bryan did mention somewhere in the "about Casinomeister" section that he's learned that a leopard rarely changes it's spots (or words to that effect) in this industry, which inspired my question.
    It seems in this example, these leopards never change their spots. It's sad.
     
  30. Mar 16, 2013
  31. 243 lines=daft

    243 lines=daft Senior Member

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    I was under the impression Jackpot Factory used to be in the bad books before becoming for a while one of the best MGS groups?

    Certainly I have played more through Jackpot Factory casinos such as First Web and All Slots than the more obvious big boys like 32 Red.
    They also had a 'bonus with every deposit' policy that at the time (2008-ish) was pretty groundbreaking.


    It's a shame to see that people are starting to moan a bit about them again now though, and that possibly they've slipped back into the pack a bit
     
  32. Mar 16, 2013
  33. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    I'm only counting casinos that were initially in the rogue section and rose to the moment and bettered themselves. Jackpot Factory, to include Fortune Lounge and Mini-Vegas, fell from grace at one time but got their act together and came back on board.
     
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  34. Mar 16, 2013
  35. maphesto

    maphesto Ueber Meister CAG MM webmeister

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    English Harbour was in the rogue pit for some time (in the pit, under "not recommended" I think) and then cleared up the mess and got accredited. Now, with same management, "same" software they are renamed to Liberty Slots and back in the pit. :rolleyes:
     
  36. Mar 16, 2013
  37. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Yeah - another example of falling-from-grace-but-getting-yer-shit-together-and-being-restated :D

    Liberty slots is not really the same management. They are only there because they didn't divulge their licensing jurisdiction. That one is an easy fix.
     
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  38. Mar 16, 2013
  39. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    Brownie point for that but be aware, you're also the one I want to punch when someone talks about a red ("rouge") casino :p
     
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