Software Complaint Monopoly live. Confirmed? Rigged/predetermined

[sledge13]

So Tracemonkey we should trust these people behind the "random" slots aswell?

 

[Fredos386]

Everything online is controled. Live roulettes monopoly etc. It's scripted/pre-determined by rng and the magnet/controls whatever just make sure it lands where it is supposed to be. When i get told that casinos dont need to cheat because house edge bla bla i wonder then 1- why they need magnets and control over everything? 2- why cant we see on live roulette other player's bet? etc... all answers that won't ever be answered honestly and with something that make sense. Even landbased casinos roulette activate magnet when it goes online for online casinos... i know people that played them in the casinos and when it tunred online the magnet started... it disgusted them.

 

[Fredos386]

Win or lose, it's the casinos system that decides. No wonder my bankroll always spin in same perfect cycles for the past 2 years... true random gambling it would swing a bit whatever.. it wouldnt look like the lock ness monster...

 

[dealer wins]

If you want a fair game, I guess its all about live table games at a reputable B&M casino then lol Everything else is controlled, nothing is truly random, it seems the casinos just cant handle things being random even though they have the mathematical edge.

 

[Jono777]

So @trancemonkey we should trust these people behind the "random" slots aswell?

need to tag him properly but you need to do it, won't work from my edit.

 

[lotusch]

I enjoy this thread but I never play live games as they do not appeal to me whatsoever.
So many people are complaining how rigged they are yet they keep playing them.
As long as they are profitable for the casino they will be up and running.
If all people are so sure vote with your wallets and stop playing them, simplez.

From Thursday I will be working for EGT, will have a chat with some programmers and engineers and see what their thought is about Evolution Gaming.
Nice thread to break the ice in the new job!

 

[sledge13]

So @tracemonkey we should trust these people behind the "random" slots aswell?

 

[sledge13]

lol don't think that worked

 

[mariafbb]

@trancemonkey maybe this one works

 

[Jono777]

lol don't think that worked

you missed the 'n' that's why but I see Maria's sorted it now

 

[Gaz237]

So @tracemonkey we should trust these people behind the "random" slots aswell?

Your missing an N,

 

[trancemonkey]

Everything online is controled. Live roulettes monopoly etc. It's scripted/pre-determined by rng and the magnet/controls whatever just make sure it lands where it is supposed to be. When i get told that casinos dont need to cheat because house edge bla bla i wonder then 1- why they need magnets and control over everything? 2- why cant we see on live roulette other player's bet? etc... all answers that won't ever be answered honestly and with something that make sense. Even landbased casinos roulette activate magnet when it goes online for online casinos... i know people that played them in the casinos and when it tunred online the magnet started... it disgusted them.

Wrong, wrong and more wrong....

 

[trancemonkey]

@trancemonkey maybe this one works

Hey...

So I don't see anything here that suggests anything is rigged. I don't see any dodgy wheel spin.

I see a terrible user experience, and that's about it.

 

[WinSumTon]

Hey...

So I don't see anything here that suggests anything is rigged. I don't see any dodgy wheel spin.

I see a terrible user experience, and that's about it.

YAWNS

 

[eizei]

YAWNS

I watched all your vids mate and came to the same conclusion.

 

[neilw]

I've heard from my contact at Evolution, who is high enough in the organisation to have access to all the necessary information about this.

It seems that a few other parties complained to them and as you'd expect they performed an internal investigation.

I'll quote from the message I received:

"We got this round reported from a few other sources today. Beside the dice landed on the side it was a human error handling it in a way they could not work out how to enter the result correctly and eventually the game was cancelled.

We did a full root cause analysis and we will make it more robust to avoid/reduce human mistakes. Its a horrible experience and we are very sorry for it.

Regarding landing on 4 rolls it just happened as the chance is 1/54. But I do see how they would suspect. The Monopoly and Dream Catcher is provided by John Huxley and neither have any electronics or motor. The only thing that slows down the speed is friction of the wheel, the flapper and air resistance."

I'm not sure what more they can say. It's unlikely to passify those who think the wheel and games are fixed.

Personally I found the wheel stopping at the 4 rolls looked odd and it did make me take a double take. I accept the explanation, as I know the guy well and trust what he says.

I guess it's an unhappy co-incidence that it re-landed on 4 Rolls (like you would expect an RNG slot to do if the bonus round was cancelled for some reason). Being live you couldn't expect that to happen, but it did! As they say Human error led to the game being cancelled in the way it was, in future I guess we'll see a different procedure.

You can bet your life that they wouldn't do anything deliberately in front of camera if they were fixing a game, it makes absolutely no sense at all.

 

[dealer wins]

That wheel slowed down much MUCH more rapidly than during normal spins, it was without a doubt being slowed down by some mechanism built into it, for them to say it wasnt is complete bollocks!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

What I'm finding it hard to get my head around is the video on Page 1 of this thread where the wheel appears to be spinning by itself (or at least slowing down incredibly slowly), compared with the video where it lands on 4 Spins again after the game malfunction, and does indeed seem to come to a stop rather quickly.

If that's the same physical wheel then there must be something else going on with it to explain the massive difference in its behaviour between those two videos.

 

[neilw]

I'm going to act as devils advocate here.

So lets assume that the wheel can be manipulated. If that's the case:

Why allow players to re-bet before the next spin? Why not allow the existing bets to ride.?
Why would Evo stop the wheel on 4 Spins? A situation where they would have the most exposure to loss than any other number bet? What's the logic behind that?
If I was playing the wheel at the time I may have doubled my bets for that next spin (essentially i'm getting a free bet as the last bets were returned to me). I'd double up and with Evo fixing the 4 roll stop i'd be even more quids in.

It makes absolutely no sense at all.

If they were fixing the next spin, surely they'd pick a spot with the least amount of financial exposure?

I don't buy it's fixed from what we've seen. Even the spin is half hearted, the presenter doesn't put his back into that spin as he did all the rest, which is why it stopped with less revolutions.

Just sayin!

 

[dealer wins]

I reckon they made it land on 4 rolls again to appease all the players who just had a nice win voided which would have left them livid.

 

[neilw]

I reckon they made it land on 4 rolls again to appease all the players who just had a nice win voided which would have left them livid.

That thought crossed my mind, but that would play into the hands of everyone claiming the game could be fixed. So why do it? no normal person/company would ever do that. It makes no sense.

 

[dealer wins]

That thought crossed my mind, but that would play into the hands of everyone claiming the game could be fixed. So why do it? no normal person/company would ever do that. It makes no sense.

Probably the manager/staff panicked and didnt have time to think it through lol That wheel spin was bent as a nine bob note

 

[Jono777]

No win situation for Evolution IMO.

Spin the wheel again, all players lose their 4 rolls, all hell breaks loose.

Try and avoid the scenario I mention = expose themselves as having a crooked wheel.

What thy should have done is have the presenter apologise, state that all active players for that round will have a "private" 4 rolls again at a later time once this had been set up as a one off / compensation, then spin as normal.

I don't play these sort of games, nor have any relevant experience but simple common sense tells me there is no way on this planet all was above board with this, no way.

 

[colinsunderland]

Is there any reason why the dice couldn't just be rolled again,?

 

[Lobo]

That thought crossed my mind, but that would play into the hands of everyone claiming the game could be fixed. So why do it? no normal person/company would ever do that. It makes no sense.

Like you said youself: human error all they way.
They guys in the tech-room panicked. They did not know what to do (the error went on for a long time), and at that moment they saw it as the best solution to fix the wheel to land on 4 rolls the very next spin without realizing the consequences (as we see here now).

The other videoes of the wheel spinning into eternity: There was a technical fault in the engine of the wheel so that the wheel could spin forever.

Do this wheel seems to slow down at all? Even with the flapper hitting it?
It is a long video, so anyone with some tools and spare time can easy calculate if the wheel actually slows down fractions of a second each round.
I guess an human error here as well: The tech-guys in the backroom probably went to the bathroom all at once and got stuck in the same toilet.



Just my two cents

One other thing. Look at this deep fake video published over 1 year ago. The same tech can easy be used by evolution.
(I am not saying that they do use it. But it will be impossible to notice anyway. F.eks a video inside the stream of the rolling of the dices)
That the dices landed on the edge kinda proove that it is not rigged, but anyway - it is very possible