Moans and groans

[kmay87]

I felt the need to post this.

Just lately, the forum has become clogged with upset members complaining about how casinos are ripping them off. It's half the reason why I have stopped posting so frequently. I see no reason to keep replying to the same style of posts. Perhaps it would be easier if there was a button we could click which gave a generic response.

It's winding me up even more when threads age old are being dug up, just to add further criticism.

The latest target is 32red. Now, in my opinion, they are the best MG casino out there. Best overall? Hard to call. 3Dice has to be up there too, but you can't really compare them. They too have been subject to criticism.

Bottom line here, the complete opposite to these posts are those in the winners screenshots. A quick look in there will tell you that people seem to be winning far more frequently than they are losing. We all want to vent our anger at times, but I don't agree with posting a complaint about a casino because of the payouts. If they aren't paying, that's a separate issue. But unless we are going back into the argument of how much control casinos have over their software (which these appear not to be desiring) then the complaint should be at MG, Rival or whoever.

I'm bored of reading these now. Why not make use of the blog function if you have had a bad run? At least that way there is more choice of who reads and responds.

Hopefully that gets my opinion across

 

[bb28]

You made some good points in your post, Kmay. I too get tired of people bitching and moaning about losing and nothing else, however valid points and opinions are often in the mix of those so it tends to balance itself out most of the time.
It's good that the members have a place to vent serious issues and ask for help but it's also an outlet to bitch and moan, guess you can't have one without the other. I suppose the best thing is just to hit that next post button when it's a subject that we don't want to hear about yet again.

 

[Pinababy69]

I suppose the best thing is just to hit that next post button when it's a subject that we don't want to hear about yet again.

Precisely what I do BB. Not to say I don't still skim through those threads, I do. I just don't spend alot of time on them, and I promised myself about a month or so ago, that I was just going to stay out of them. And for the most part, I "think" I have, lol.

 

[Rusty]

What is the point of this post?
To bitch and moan about people who bitch and moan?

It is not even factual.
There are something like 30 threads currently on the front page of this section and only One concerns itself with poor return from a Casino.
There are 3 or 4 that praise Casinos.
and then this;

The latest target is 32red. Now, in my opinion, they are the best MG casino out there. Best overall? Hard to call. 3Dice has to be up there too, but you can't really compare them. They too have been subject to criticism.

Are you saying they are above criticism, ever?
You have your opinion these Casinos are worthy of praise (One that has been voiced far more often than any criticism) and that is good, talk about that in a positive way if you must instead of sniping at other members.

BB28 tells it the way it is.

 

[kmay87]

Are you saying then that the thread which was dug up from over a year ago, along with comments to the effect of 'this casino was still cheating then' and a separate one saying that this forum has become 32red Casinomeister, is right? At the time I posted, in the recent posts section there were at least three threads actively criticising 32red. I believe it was the same member, but don't hold me to that. My issue was that I don't deem it right to call anyone cheats just because they had a bad run. When it came to light that the OP was spinning at 2 a go on a balance that would only support 50 spins, how can that be seen to be a fair judgement?

What is the point of this post?
To bitch and moan about people who bitch and moan?

It is not even factual.
There are something like 30 threads currently on the front page of this section and only One concerns itself with poor return from a Casino.
There are 3 or 4 that praise Casinos.
and then this;

The latest target is 32red. Now, in my opinion, they are the best MG casino out there. Best overall? Hard to call. 3Dice has to be up there too, but you can't really compare them. They too have been subject to criticism.

Are you saying they are above criticism, ever?
You have your opinion these Casinos are worthy of praise (One that has been voiced far more often than any criticism) and that is good, talk about that in a positive way if you must instead of sniping at other members.

BB28 tells it the way it is.

 

[jas2587]

Are you saying then that the thread which was dug up from over a year ago, along with comments to the effect of 'this casino was still cheating then' and a separate one saying that this forum has become 32red Casinomeister, is right? At the time I posted, in the recent posts section there were at least three threads actively criticising 32red. I believe it was the same member, but don't hold me to that. My issue was that I don't deem it right to call anyone cheats just because they had a bad run. When it came to light that the OP was spinning at 2 a go on a balance that would only support 50 spins, how can that be seen to be a fair judgement?

I personally dont like a old thread dug up start a new one

if I have a bad run at playing I wanna whine about it so I would come here an whine an get it off my breast er chest that way I am not walking aroung in a bad mood

ya know some people cant take loss well an if they cant vent then what smack the ole man around

just skip the bitchin am whining post better to read here then woman stabs hubby cause he wouldnt listen to her rant about losing at a online casino or hubby goes mad cause the wife wouldnt shut her yap up cause he lost the mortage

hey these examples are posted all in fun but it could go these ways ya know

so better to vent an whine them try an hold it in

Cindy

 

[BingoT]

Have a good cry & move on Expired Image

You can't win all the time.

 

[same_old]

And of course its old news to us old ducks at this place, we have been here for a few years and seen it ALL so when another thread of the same kind of issue pops up then of course its like seeing a broken record, this tells me that we all probably need a few days away from the place.

Swede hasnt remotly posted anything bad in ages so he can have a vent by all means.

then you got the newer people here why probably enjoy these topics as they become more aware and then as savvy as most of you guys are.

but BB said it best overall, you pick the parts that are relevant out and each posts always has something good in them.

this would be more of a call for a moderator, if they feel issues are like broken records they will just remove it, they must see the significant it has overall.

not having a go, love you all- just putting my 2 cents in on the matter.

Regards,

Same_old

 

[Rusty]

Are you saying then that the thread which was dug up from over a year ago, along with comments to the effect of 'this casino was still cheating then' and a separate one saying that this forum has become 32red Casinomeister, is right? At the time I posted, in the recent posts section there were at least three threads actively criticising 32red. I believe it was the same member, but don't hold me to that. My issue was that I don't deem it right to call anyone cheats just because they had a bad run. When it came to light that the OP was spinning at 2 a go on a balance that would only support 50 spins, how can that be seen to be a fair judgement?

I am saying every post should judged on its merits whether it is condemning or praising a Casino and if you have something to say on that particular post or poster then say it in that thread or to the poster directly rather than sniping from afar.

This is the best moderated gaming forum by far (MO) and trolls or shills rarely get past the gate.
The reason I am being critical of you is because you appear to want to impose some kind of backdoor censorship that adheres to your idea of what should or should not be posted.

I don't like your post for those reasons but have nothing against you personally.
I may just as easily be nominating your next thread.

 

[Darf]

I have read this board for years and years, it ebbs and flows, there is never a sea change, more like the tao wearing away the rocks, but the rocks grow back. I think I understand what affiliates are now, I ignore their posts, I think I know a whinger when I see their name, I ignore those posts. I read everything here, nothing better to do than win or lose but I have a good idea where to play and where to ask stupid questions.

 

[slotheadlizard]

Moans

As much as I respect the previous posters, and I really do I have to agree mostly with Rusty and Jas. If you can't come on here and bitch and moan about your experience then the forum becomes just a place to praise good casinos and complain about rogues. I for one also love the in between.

No, I never get tired of reading about moans and groans because about 2 sentences in, I can go to the next post. Just like when someone is raving about their newly hit random, I can do the same thing, (but that's out of jealousy) My point is that this forum is so big, and bitching makes up for so little.

I certainly don't agree that people are winning more than they are losing just because screenis are posted. Hell, I can go 8-10 deposits before I capture one worth showing. It may be an awesome hit, but you may also still have 2,000 left on your WR. I post it because its an awesome hit that others may enjoy. Plus, if everyone posted their losing screenies (not screen shots that suck), the system would likely shut down from not enough memory.

Too me its just an outlet, when I'm moaning, I rarely mention a specific casino. I may mention the software. Sometimes people just want to know if others are having the same experiences. I see nothing wrong with some good old fashion unedited, uncensored, even if unfounded Bitching.

Maybe a section could be dedicated to just people who want to moan and groan. A place where we can share our experiences, and conspiracy theories without the reps, and physicists, and analysts, and mathematicians, and the guy who got a b in algebra, to set us straight.

Chances are we are going to keep right on playing at the same casinos, its not about dogging them. Most of us play at the accredited casinos recommended by our fav. forum, CM. So when at 3Dice you go 100 spins on that game where the ball drops into the flowers and you get the bonus playing 75c and you win 12 cents, you want to bitch. When you go 300 spins on any rtg and you get the Trex bonus and you when less than you original bet, you want to bitch. When you finally get the Western bonus on Rival and you go 20 spins and win nada, you want to bitch. When your balance suddenly and rapidly goes straight to zero once WRs are met you want to bitch.

You don't want explanations of odds, and how this is the norm. When you know for a fact a while ago it played a certain way. Also, I love reading Silcnlayc's observations, I am normally in agreement with her. She is a seasoned member who tells it like it is. Hope she continues to do so.

Sorry to go on like this, just venting since the thread is about moaning.

 

[WonderingSpirit]

Hell, I can go 8-10 deposits before I capture on worth showing.

Only 8-10? You're Lucky

 

[slotheadlizard]

8-10

Well maybe 18-20

 

[Deeplay]

I think its good to let people groan and rant about a bad streak. Hell if I did this evertime I lost I would fill 400 pages. But still I think it serves some theraputic value. Funny though to see the same names (in some cases) always biatch about low payouts / returns etc. But it is freedom of speech. And hell as im not playing alot at the moment I cant comment much but will say this :

Without winners a casino will soon go bust.
Casinos need winners
Casinos have no need to mess with standard odds.
If you dont trust the software move on - they are 100s of places you can gamble.

Gamble for fun n leasure and the hope you hit big. And if you dont then chill - take it on the chin and wait for another day

 

[Rusty]

I think its good to let people groan and rant about a bad streak. Hell if I did this evertime I lost I would fill 400 pages. But still I think it serves some theraputic value. Funny though to see the same names (in some cases) always biatch about low payouts / returns etc. But it is freedom of speech. And hell as im not playing alot at the moment I cant comment much but will say this :

Without winners a casino will soon go bust.
Casinos need winners
Casinos have no need to mess with standard odds.
If you dont trust the software move on - they are 100s of places you can gamble.

Gamble for fun n leasure and the hope you hit big. And if you dont then chill - take it on the chin and wait for another day

I'm sorry I just cant let this go unchallenged.
I tried to but I couldn't
I disagree with nearly all of it.
I know I seem like I am lecturing and I am sorry to keep disagreeing but I am just putting my point of view across because I think this issue is more important than it may first appear

I think its good to let people groan and rant about a bad streak.

I'm not sure if you really believe that because you seem to contradict this view with the following statement.

Gamble for fun n leasure and the hope you hit big. And if you dont then chill - take it on the chin and wait for another day

No big deal but it followed on from this;

Without winners a casino will soon go bust.
Casinos need winners
Casinos have no need to mess with standard odds.
If you dont trust the software move on - they are 100s of places you can gamble.

So apparently you have made a assumption that all software is fair and you are basically patronizing anyone who begs to differ.
I will tell you why you are wrong in that assumption as well while I am here.

Without winners a Casino will go bust?
Nope, just about everyone who gambles at Casinos is losing since there is a House edge, it is just a matter of how fast and whether the losses are fair.

Casinos need winners
Like a hole in the head.
They need to have some wins but not winners. Winners get banned quicker than you say "Card counter or bonus abuser" unless they have good promotional value or are likely to give it back.

Casinos have no need to mess with standard odds.
This argument is totally flawed if it had any credence whatsoever we would not need regulations or watchdogs and no Casino would ever have cheated in the history of gambling.
You do know Casinos aren't charities and some have been caught cheating in the past?

If you dont trust the software move on - they are 100s of places you can gamble
No, if you don't trust the software tell people why, maybe you are wrong and they can explain why and restore your faith or maybe you will make well reasoned arguments and people will have their eyes opened.
Either way someone has been educated and that is good.

Surely this is an important part of what the forum is for?
We should give a shit about the state of online gaming and the number of people who get ripped off each and every month by rogue operators or Casinos trying to pull a fast One.
Sure we don't have a great deal of influence (Sometimes I feel like a fly in a lampshade) but if we just assume all is well and every thread that a losing player starts is just a bitch and moan then we may as well give it up.

Yes I keep beating the same drum but the jungle is dense.

 

[Deeplay]

I'm sorry I just cant let this go unchallenged.
I tried to but I couldn't
I disagree with nearly all of it.
I know I seem like I am lecturing and I am sorry to keep disagreeing but I am just putting my point of view across because I think this issue is more important than it may first appear

I think its good to let people groan and rant about a bad streak.

I'm not sure if you really believe that because you seem to contradict this view with the following statement.

Gamble for fun n leasure and the hope you hit big. And if you dont then chill - take it on the chin and wait for another day

No big deal but it followed on from this;

Without winners a casino will soon go bust.
Casinos need winners
Casinos have no need to mess with standard odds.
If you dont trust the software move on - they are 100s of places you can gamble.

So apparently you have made a assumption that all software is fair and you are basically patronizing anyone who begs to differ.
I will tell you why you are wrong in that assumption as well while I am here.

Without winners a Casino will go bust?
Nope, just about everyone who gambles at Casinos is losing since there is a House edge, it is just a matter of how fast and whether the losses are fair.

Casinos need winners
Like a hole in the head.
They need to have some wins but not winners. Winners get banned quicker than you say "Card counter or bonus abuser" unless they have good promotional value or are likely to give it back.

Casinos have no need to mess with standard odds.
This argument is totally flawed if it had any credence whatsoever we would not need regulations or watchdogs and no Casino would ever have cheated in the history of gambling.
You do know Casinos aren't charities and some have been caught cheating in the past?

If you dont trust the software move on - they are 100s of places you can gamble
No, if you don't trust the software tell people why, maybe you are wrong and they can explain why and restore your faith or maybe you will make well reasoned arguments and people will have their eyes opened.
Either way someone has been educated and that is good.

Surely this is an important part of what the forum is for?
We should give a shit about the state of online gaming and the number of people who get ripped off each and every month by rogue operators or Casinos trying to pull a fast One.
Sure we don't have a great deal of influence (Sometimes I feel like a fly in a lampshade) but if we just assume all is well and every thread that a losing player starts is just a bitch and moan then we may as well give it up.

Yes I keep beating the same drum but the jungle is dense.

Very good valid points of view which I respect. And yep I suppose it is good to let others know if you have had a bum deal. I just think that we either trust in the casino we gamble at or we dont. Accredited to me from here means I wont get screwed or the likly hood of getting screwed is pretty damn slim. And I do stand by the statment that any casino worth its weight has no real need to cheat. They will always have the edge from now until the end of time. Those that do cheat will sooner or later fall by the road (albeit no doubt raping many an innocent gambler on the way) If somone plays at a accredited casino and they loose or go 1000 spins without a bonus round I really doubt its the casino operators fixing the odds. Its just pure luck and timing. While your loosing someone else is winning and between all that the Casino takes their cut. Hell i have gone 500 or 1000 spins sometimes and never get close and then I can also remember many a time second spin or second turn of a card I hit big. These are my own views and of course I respect other peeps point of view. It just comes down to what works best for yourself. Each to there own ,,, but for me the day I really cant trust casinos to offer fair odds I will quit and ... well lets not go into the "ands" Peace ... Doomed

 

[Rusty]

Yeah good points about accredited Casinos and of course we all only play at places we consider fair, at least at first.

Thanks and respect for your comments, peace.

 

[slotheadlizard]

Doomed/Rusty

Unfortunately for us Americans there are not 100s of places at which to play. I know what you meant tho, if you don't like where you are playing go to the next place. What if you love the place you are playing? The CM listed casinos have proven to be places that will pay you. It doesn't mean you will win more often, or even above average.
I don't think that bitching and moaning is just about if an accredited casino is fair or not. Sometimes we just bitch because we have hit a incredibly long suckfest of a streak and want to vent. If others are feeling your pain, they let you know. If people don't want to here it, click out. Should be no animosity just because you are stating your opinion.

On this forum, we shout out when casinos are top notch, and for what reason. It should be a two way street, if civil.

 

[silcnlayc]

Yes I keep beating the same drum but the jungle is dense.

What an excellent observation! Had me laffin my tush off because it is soooo true!

Accredited to me from here means I wont get screwed or the likly hood of getting screwed is pretty damn slim

Same for me except it seems that even the accredited casinos are being caught hard with strange things they are doing. Inetbet has had 3 incidences if I recall that was not quite kosher, then 3 Dice was caught with their tech people looking the other way on a huge glitch and now 32red is caught doing strange things almost the same as Inetbet (changing the T&C's midstride in the middle of a dispute) and Clubworlds new lauch Lucky Red Casino was caught with a faulty counter and did not own up to it till more than one pointed it out.......

These incidents have all been recent and all are acredited and all are hailed as excellent casinos..but even the great ones fall every once in a while and as Rusty says..these are the things that need to be shared with others when a player encounters it...ESPECIALLY one that is on the "good" list IMO!...
.

 

[oldtrvlagt]

Basically I think we want someone to empathize with us at times (whether it be good or bad) because let's face it....online gambling for the most part is a solitary "hobby". We all have our own reasons (sometimes I just like to put my feet up or wear my jammies and the last B&M casino I went to frowned on thatJ/K) or I just like the games. Whatever, doesn't matter but once in a while we stick our heads up to see what he rest of the "community" is doing. We Bitch, we moan, we groan, we say Yeah I won some $$$ and that keeps us going. We try to look out for the "newbies" and we feel bad when someone leaves. We stick our nose in to see who is doing what...it is a community (IMHO).

 

[chuchu59]

I am saying every post should judged on its merits whether it is condemning or praising a Casino and if you have something to say on that particular post or poster then say it in that thread or to the poster directly rather than sniping from afar.

This is the best moderated gaming forum by far (MO) and trolls or shills rarely get past the gate.
The reason I am being critical of you is because you appear to want to impose some kind of backdoor censorship that adheres to your idea of what should or should not be posted.

I don't like your post for those reasons but have nothing against you personally.
I may just as easily be nominating your next thread.

I agree that each and every post should be judged on individual merits. We can whine whatever and whenever we like so long as we remain composed and not calling the casinos liars and cheats without the slightest shred of evidence. The 32RED vs Rado thread is a prime example. The case itself was open to argument but many would have a poor impression of the OP who would use everything to discredit the casino and other posters to have his way. Whenever we post bad experiences, so long as we dont slander anyone, that's OK with me. We do have to vent sometimes especially in this hot weather. Whew!

 

[kmay87]

I have no personal issues with you either Rusty and I appreciate the comments. But as my post stated, I wrote it on a whim just because seeing all those posts slating casinos because x hasn't had a withdrawal in however many deposits etc.

I have no problem reading threads where people are debating the payout percentages. It just gets me when some think that because they didn't get a big win in 50 spins at 2 the casino must be up to something.

Believe me I don't want any kind of backdoor censorship! I used to be a journalist a little while back, and left the industry because I was fed up of bull$hiting people with false truths. I'm quite happy to read most of the topics on here, it was just the odd few which got me.

Anyway, please consider the issue over. It was simply me stating how I felt at the time

I am saying every post should judged on its merits whether it is condemning or praising a Casino and if you have something to say on that particular post or poster then say it in that thread or to the poster directly rather than sniping from afar.

This is the best moderated gaming forum by far (MO) and trolls or shills rarely get past the gate.
The reason I am being critical of you is because you appear to want to impose some kind of backdoor censorship that adheres to your idea of what should or should not be posted.

I don't like your post for those reasons but have nothing against you personally.
I may just as easily be nominating your next thread.

 

[Pinababy69]

and now 32red is caught doing strange things almost the same as Inetbet (changing the T&C's midstride in the middle of a dispute)

No problem with sharing these things...but I did want to clarify that 32Red wasn't "caught" doing anything. They changed their T&C's (on the slots only bonus) to match the T&C's in place for three months on the all games bonus. There was a paragraph missing, and they were only amended to correct the oversight. They were NOT changed to retroactively apply that term to the player having the dispute...nor were they applied to him. Sorry Silc, but it sounded misleading the way it was typed. Like 32Red had tried to pull a "fast one", which they didn't.

 

[Pinababy69]

I have no personal issues with you either Rusty and I appreciate the comments. But as my post stated, I wrote it on a whim just because seeing all those posts slating casinos because x hasn't had a withdrawal in however many deposits etc.

I have no problem reading threads where people are debating the payout percentages. It just gets me when some think that because they didn't get a big win in 50 spins at 2 the casino must be up to something.

Believe me I don't want any kind of backdoor censorship! I used to be a journalist a little while back, and left the industry because I was fed up of bull$hiting people with false truths. I'm quite happy to read most of the topics on here, it was just the odd few which got me.

Anyway, please consider the issue over. It was simply me stating how I felt at the time

And those four or five threads that you mentioned in your original post, have now been merged into one thread Kmay. It was for the most part, one poster starting a new thread (or dredging up a year old one) almost daily. And yeah, it was annoying...to me anyway. How many threads do you need to say the exact same thing?

 

[kmay87]

And those four or five threads that you mentioned in your original post, have now been merged into one thread Kmay. It was for the most part, one poster starting a new thread (or dredging up a year old one) almost daily. And yeah, it was annoying...to me anyway. How many threads do you need to say the exact same thing?

Exactly. I notice Max has dealt with them. I was slightly aware it was the same poster when I created my thread. In terms of the 'no bonus rounds in x spins' etc threads, I'm always interested to read them. And it gets me as much as anyone else when you hit nothing on a bonus round. So I can understand the frustration. It was those threads a year plus old being dug up which were annoying me also.

 

[Tengil]

This was suggested by Simmo a while ago, and its still a good suggestion.

What I think kmay87 meant that whenever you just want to vent you could post it there. Some of you probably just misunderstood him, and he has now clarified himself. I could also consider rambling "there" instead of letting the casino support take the crap.

And one positive side about a pure rant forum would be that you could post there without anyone believing that you questionalize the software fairness etc. that tends to happen sometimes when someone just wants to vent about multiple bad runs.

 

[kmay87]

This was suggested by Simmo a while ago, and its still a good suggestion.

What I think kmay87 meant that whenever you just want to vent you could post it there. Some of you probably just misunderstood him, and he has now clarified himself. I could also consider rambling "there" instead of letting the casino support take the crap.

And one positive side about a pure rant forum would be that you could post there without anyone believing that you questionalize the software fairness etc. that tends to happen sometimes when someone just wants to vent about multiple bad runs.

Ok, final post on this subject.

My problem was that there were at least three active posts criticising 32red and 3dice. I don't consider any casino too good to be criticised, but the basis of the criticism was that basically the player wasn't getting value for money. They suggested the casino must be doing something 'dodgy' as the payout percentages were far from accurate. This criticism included bringing up long deceased threads from over a year ago, to further emphasise their point. This annoyed me because, as was later revealed, the level of their bets to their balance did not allow for such comments to be made.

My suggestion was that when people wanted to complain about something like this, by all means do it, but just not in that manner. It was in my opinion unfair criticism.

The end

 

[WagerWitch]

Casinomeister FORUM RULES:


2. Posting Complaints

2.1 - Complaints against casinos or pokerrooms will only be posted in the "Online Casino and Poker Complaints" forum.

2.2 - Do not post a complaint without notifying the appropriate casino representative by either PM or email. The casino representatives are listed here.

2.3 - Ensure your complaint is free from offensive or abusive language, and that the complaint is tactful and truthful. Making false claims are grounds for banishment or drawn and quartering.

2.4 - Casinomeister does not condone player fraud in any shape or form. If you knowingly commit fraud (creating bogus casino accounts, using fake IDs, committing Credit Card fraud, chargebacks, etc.) you will be permanently banned from the forum.




I think that most complainers probably do not follow 2.2

Just my humble opinion.

 

[bernynhel]

I read what I wanna read. And since I haven't, as yet, read what I don't wanna read, and probably never will, I'm not aware of. So it don't befront me NONE! How could it? I never read it, remember?

 

[Rusty]

Ok, final post on this subject.

My problem was that there were at least three active posts criticising 32red and 3dice. I don't consider any casino too good to be criticised, but the basis of the criticism was that basically the player wasn't getting value for money. They suggested the casino must be doing something 'dodgy' as the payout percentages were far from accurate. This criticism included bringing up long deceased threads from over a year ago, to further emphasise their point. This annoyed me because, as was later revealed, the level of their bets to their balance did not allow for such comments to be made.

My suggestion was that when people wanted to complain about something like this, by all means do it, but just not in that manner. It was in my opinion unfair criticism.

The end

Fair enough but that is much more specific than just saying the forum is clogged up with complaints.
I still say reply to the specific thread and confront the poster you disagree with then there is no ambiguity or room for misunderstanding.
I accept you had no hidden agenda though which was my main concern.

Casinomeister FORUM RULES:


2. Posting Complaints

2.1 - Complaints against casinos or pokerrooms will only be posted in the "Online Casino and Poker Complaints" forum.

2.2 - Do not post a complaint without notifying the appropriate casino representative by either PM or email. The casino representatives are listed here.

2.3 - Ensure your complaint is free from offensive or abusive language, and that the complaint is tactful and truthful. Making false claims are grounds for banishment or drawn and quartering.

2.4 - Casinomeister does not condone player fraud in any shape or form. If you knowingly commit fraud (creating bogus casino accounts, using fake IDs, committing Credit Card fraud, chargebacks, etc.) you will be permanently banned from the forum.




I think that most complainers probably do not follow 2.2

Just my humble opinion.

No, you are right but I'm not sure that is such a great rule.
Remember Rados complaint against 32Red?
He did just that and got criticized for it because it can easily look like a threat rather than a courtesy.

No problem with sharing these things...but I did want to clarify that 32Red wasn't "caught" doing anything. They changed their T&C's (on the slots only bonus) to match the T&C's in place for three months on the all games bonus. There was a paragraph missing, and they were only amended to correct the oversight. They were NOT changed to retroactively apply that term to the player having the dispute...nor were they applied to him. Sorry Silc, but it sounded misleading the way it was typed. Like 32Red had tried to pull a "fast one", which they didn't.

We don't really know that do we Pinababy?
The fact was that 32Red were trying to cloud the issue by bringing bonus terms into the issue and this had very little to do with the cause of the problem and they did change them retrospectively.
That was Red Herring though.
Of course the new term did not apply to Rado because it did not exist at that time so I can hardly congratulate them on that.

I don't think 32Red handled that particular case well but fair play to them for coming around and shutting down the affected games.
I am just not sure how much praise a Casino is due for eventually paying someone their winnings after putting them through grinder.
Is that the level we have reached?

Anyway onwards and upwards and God bless us and our outspoken views.:notworthy

EDit: Jese I'm cranky this Week, you will all be happy to know I am going out for a good blowout this W/E. Smilies every post next week.

 

[Crackpotbaby]

Silcnlayc superfan!

Also, I love reading Silcnlayc's observations, I am normally in agreement with her. She is a seasoned member who tells it like it is. Hope she continues to do so.

Me too. I'm a huge fan.


This is my first post, and I've read a lot of her work and others since joining (and as a non-member for years prior to this one). I often share her opinions or player experiences in more ways than one. Here are some of the reasons I appreciate her.


* Her thoughts derive from her own gaming experience, and she doesn't compromise her viewpoints for the sake of the overall group-think that can sometimes exist here. Her truth may not be yours, but at least she's being honest about it.

* She has a great writing style. You may not think so, but I most certainly do.

* She's a 100% player. She's not an affiliate, working for or representing a casino, or bought out with bonuses. Those who take the time to write about their playing experiences, shouldn't be weeded-out and punished. If you don't like reading about them, don't. I do. I'm thankful there are people like her (and many others) who don't do the secret handshake thing (and that's by no means directed at the moderators who're awesome :notworthy).

* She's actually deposited and re-deposited at more than 1 single casino, so she might know a thing or two about what she's talking about. Shouldn't that equate to something?

* She doesn't regurgitate the same mantra, time and time and time and time again. Beating the same drum, all the while showing complete bias to something without being even a fraction open-minded about something different. She thinks differently. She doesn't fall-in-line aiming to please.

* And best of all, she's not some Pollyanna or someone pretending to be the second coming of Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. She's not the type who's really a cyber-bully in disguise, who derails threads with his/her constant need to feed his/her larger-than-life ego with never ending self-promotion, who's in a constant battle to show that he/she is smarter than you are, who needs to stomp on others like cockroaches when they don't meet his/her criteria. You know, the type of person who'll be political behind the scenes, sometimes acting all sweet, always campaigning with her/his need to win battles by strategically abusing the "Thanked Post" experience, to alienate others, all the while name-dropping such-and-such, to pull in her/his alliances at every turn, to prove that he/she doesn't stand alone. The one who tries to always come off as though he/she is posturing from a position of great - and false - strength. The one who speaks about everything, acting like the moral bridge between right and wrong, when they in turn were the fire starter of the whole ordeal. The one who manipulates everything at her/his discretion. Just my 2 cents.


No, Silcnlayc isn't that, and I'm thankful she's on her own page.


Be thankful that real players share their experiences. If you don't like it, simply move along. I for one, need to know what the people from every level of the industry down to those who are paying with their own money are thinking. Hey, they took the time to write about it.

 

[bb28]

* And best of all, she's not some Pollyanna or someone pretending to be the second coming of Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. She's not the type who's really a cyber-bully in disguise, who derails threads with his/her constant need to feed his/her larger-than-life ego with never ending self-promotion, who's in a constant battle to show that he/she is smarter than you are, who needs to stomp on others like cockroaches when they don't meet his/her criteria. You know, the type of person who'll be political behind the scenes, sometimes acting all sweet, always campaigning with her/his need to win battles by strategically abusing the "Thanked Post" experience, to alienate others, all the while name-dropping such-and-such, to pull in her/his alliances at every turn, to prove that he/she doesn't stand alone. The one who tries to always come off as though he/she is posturing from a position of great - and false - strength. The one who speaks about everything, acting like the moral bridge between right and wrong, when they in turn were the fire starter of the whole ordeal. The one who manipulates everything at her/his discretion. Just my 2 cents.

Wow........was that a bit of rant? Sounds like you've been hanging out for quite a while in order to arrive at so many observations.

 

[Rusty]

Wow........was that a bit of rant? Sounds like you've been hanging out for quite a while in order to arrive at so many observations.

I hope the Kitchen knives are in the draw.

Welcome to the forum though crackpotbaby

 

[Jasminebed]

Welcome to the forum Crackpotbaby, that is quite the first post.

Hope we hear more from you, you write well and are obviously intelligent.

I was prepared to thank your post until the rant began...there are many members here, and whether I agree with them or not, I respect most of them.

BTW, I too enjoy reading silcnlac posts, as I do almost everyone here, agree or disagree.

 

[slotheadlizard]

Welcome

Me too. I'm a huge fan.


This is my first post, and I've read a lot of her work and others since joining (and as a non-member for years prior to this one). I often share her opinions or player experiences in more ways than one. Here are some of the reasons I appreciate her.


* Her thoughts derive from her own gaming experience, and she doesn't compromise her viewpoints for the sake of the overall group-think that can sometimes exist here. Her truth may not be yours, but at least she's being honest about it.

* She has a great writing style. You may not think so, but I most certainly do.

* She's a 100% player. She's not an affiliate, working for or representing a casino, or bought out with bonuses. Those who take the time to write about their playing experiences, shouldn't be weeded-out and punished. If you don't like reading about them, don't. I do. I'm thankful there are people like her (and many others) who don't do the secret handshake thing (and that's by no means directed at the moderators who're awesome :notworthy).

* She's actually deposited and re-deposited at more than 1 single casino, so she might know a thing or two about what she's talking about. Shouldn't that equate to something?

* She doesn't regurgitate the same mantra, time and time and time and time again. Beating the same drum, all the while showing complete bias to something without being even a fraction open-minded about something different. She thinks differently. She doesn't fall-in-line aiming to please.

* And best of all, she's not some Pollyanna or someone pretending to be the second coming of Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. She's not the type who's really a cyber-bully in disguise, who derails threads with his/her constant need to feed his/her larger-than-life ego with never ending self-promotion, who's in a constant battle to show that he/she is smarter than you are, who needs to stomp on others like cockroaches when they don't meet his/her criteria. You know, the type of person who'll be political behind the scenes, sometimes acting all sweet, always campaigning with her/his need to win battles by strategically abusing the "Thanked Post" experience, to alienate others, all the while name-dropping such-and-such, to pull in her/his alliances at every turn, to prove that he/she doesn't stand alone. The one who tries to always come off as though he/she is posturing from a position of great - and false - strength. The one who speaks about everything, acting like the moral bridge between right and wrong, when they in turn were the fire starter of the whole ordeal. The one who manipulates everything at her/his discretion. Just my 2 cents.


No, Silcnlayc isn't that, and I'm thankful she's on her own page.


Be thankful that real players share their experiences. If you don't like it, simply move along. I for one, need to know what the people from every level of the industry down to those who are paying with their own money are thinking. Hey, they took the time to write about it.

Welcome to the forum crackpot yes Silc is one of my favs., no agenda just straight talk. There are some really good posters, some are really funny, some are really smart, some are annoying, and some really scary (pina) just kidding, she's great Like you, I too lurked for months before actually joining. Now I really like it, keeps me occupied instead of just depositing.

 

[slotheadlizard]

2.2

Casinomeister FORUM RULES:


2. Posting Complaints

2.1 - Complaints against casinos or pokerrooms will only be posted in the "Online Casino and Poker Complaints" forum.

2.2 - Do not post a complaint without notifying the appropriate casino representative by either PM or email. The casino representatives are listed here.

2.3 - Ensure your complaint is free from offensive or abusive language, and that the complaint is tactful and truthful. Making false claims are grounds for banishment or drawn and quartering.


2.4 - Casinomeister does not condone player fraud in any shape or form. If you knowingly commit fraud (creating bogus casino accounts, using fake IDs, committing Credit Card fraud, chargebacks, etc.) you will be permanently banned from the forum.




I think that most complainers probably do not follow 2.2

Just my humble opinion.

Wager, very true, but sometimes a complaint isn't about a specific casino, so no need to inform. I don't know why some people post moans in the complaints section It may just be a bitch session about your experience (crappy few weeks or whatever). I would prefer if people just mentioned the software, though if you are just moaning there's really no need to do that even. This does not include specific valid complaints though, yes rules need to be followed.

Nor does this apply to the one member who was all over the place with a certain complaint. No clue what that was about.

 

[chuchu59]

Wow........was that a bit of rant? Sounds like you've been hanging out for quite a while in order to arrive at so many observations.

Quite right Bonita. I say please come out in force all you lurkers so that we can all share our experiences and different points of views. If you have something to say, say it and dont be shy.

 

[Pinababy69]

We don't really know that do we Pinababy?
The fact was that 32Red were trying to cloud the issue by bringing bonus terms into the issue and this had very little to do with the cause of the problem and they did change them retrospectively.
That was Red Herring though.
Of course the new term did not apply to Rado because it did not exist at that time so I can hardly congratulate them on that.

I don't think 32Red handled that particular case well but fair play to them for coming around and shutting down the affected games.
I am just not sure how much praise a Casino is due for eventually paying someone their winnings after putting them through grinder.
Is that the level we have reached?

Anyway onwards and upwards and God bless us and our outspoken views.:notworthy

EDit: Jese I'm cranky this Week, you will all be happy to know I am going out for a good blowout this W/E. Smilies every post next week.

Just curious Rusty, how should they have handled the terms thing? Just left the incorrect terms up on their website...because changing them made them look bad? The only reason they were quoted to him was because Pat had been trying to highlight that Rado's WR were going to increase to 100X (because he was under the impression that the term in question WAS in place, as it should have been). So, they should have left the wrong terms in place then?

As to the rest, I agree with you....waiting two weeks to see any sort of movement was totally unacceptable, whether that was down to 32Red or MG, or a combination of both.

Behave yourself this weekend.

 

[chuchu59]

Pina,

As usual, Pat is on top of things and so we had a happy ending. However, there is always room for improvement and while I dont diasgree with Pat changing the terms it would have been even better for him, with the benefit of hindsight, to at least have communicated to Rado that the terms would be changed leaving no room for misunderstanding. As it was, Rado immediately cried foul. Once we are in the midst of a serious argument/issue every little thing becomes particularly sensitive.

32RED has maintained its stellar reputation through its handling of this case including the willingness to accept that something had gone wrong and ultimately pulling the live dealer game away. Sometimes casinos do not immediately draw the right conclusions, sometimes they are a bit tardy but basically its the trust of operations like these that we still feel safe to gamble online.

Finally, if Pat reads this, I want to rant about when you will ever allow players from Hong Kong to play at your casino again?

 

[Pinababy69]

Pina,

As usual, Pat is on top of things and so we had a happy ending. However, there is always room for improvement and while I dont diasgree with Pat changing the terms it would have been even better for him, with the benefit of hindsight, to at least have communicated to Rado that the terms would be changed leaving no room for misunderstanding. As it was, Rado immediately cried foul. Once we are in the midst of a serious argument/issue every little thing becomes particularly sensitive.

That's a good suggestion Chu, and one that 32Red and all casinos should keep in mind if something like that pops up again.

 

[Slotster!]

Am I in the minority?

See, here's the thing...

I genuinely just deposit at a casino, sometimes get a bonus or whatever - and then have some fun pressing the spin button and playing the slots and stuff.

I don't have a 'strategy', I don't try and maximise my bonus thingummy or whatever and I never ever keep track of wagering requirements or anything like that.

I've never read terms and conditions (well, not properly)

I've never had a problem.

Never; not once I don't think.

Sure I've had cashout's delayed because of ID Issues maybe and things sent to the wrong places and stuff like that - but never once an issue with actually not being paid or not understanding terms or whatever... It's weird.

I'm not just talking about 32RED either... All the properties across all the different software platforms - I've just never hit a T&C/Loophole problem for anything.

As a 'regular' player (off and online) - I wonder sometimes if people end up in a mess because they're approaching casino play for reasons other than just entertainment... Dunno.

All I do know is that every place I play at could've replaced their entire terms and conditions with 'Purgatory' from Dante's 'The Divine Comedy' as far as I know - and I'd still just quietly sit here pushing 'bet max'...

I'd get paid as well.

 

[jetset]

Nice to read a positive post to end the week, Slotster for which many thanks!

Whilst it's essential to get the word out on the bad bastards, it's also nice to be reminded from time to time that many online gamblers have not encountered them.

 

[RobWin]

Quite right Bonita. I say please come out in force all you lurkers so that we can all share our experiences and different points of views. If you have something to say, say it and dont be shy.

I totally agree Chu, but we still have to remember that lethal warfare drove the evolution of altruistic behavior among ancient humans which could have also fostered a fetishistic urge of self-affirmation among some of us here today...

 

[bb28]

I totally agree Chu, but we still have to remember that lethal warfare drove the evolution of altruistic behavior among ancient humans which could have also fostered a fetishistic urge of self-affirmation among some of us here today...

LOL......geez, that must be some good stuff you are inhaling this morning!

 

[RobWin]

LOL......geez, that must be some good stuff you are inhaling this morning!

Thanks, that actually just reminded me of a little somein somein..

 

[slotheadlizard]

Rob

I totally agree Chu, but we still have to remember that lethal warfare drove the evolution of altruistic behavior among ancient humans which could have also fostered a fetishistic urge of self-affirmation among some of us here today...

Are you sure you are just not mourning the loss of a certain grasshopper with that statement, sounds very "master" like

 

[chuchu59]

Are you sure you are just not mourning the loss of a certain grasshopper with that statement, sounds very "master" like

Ah, "Kung Fu, more than 30 years ago. How I miss that show when I was a kid

 

[Rusty]

Just curious Rusty, how should they have handled the terms thing? Just left the incorrect terms up on their website...because changing them made them look bad? The only reason they were quoted to him was because Pat had been trying to highlight that Rado's WR were going to increase to 100X (because he was under the impression that the term in question WAS in place, as it should have been). So, they should have left the wrong terms in place then?

As to the rest, I agree with you....waiting two weeks to see any sort of movement was totally unacceptable, whether that was down to 32Red or MG, or a combination of both.

Behave yourself this weekend.

ChuChu really answered this already.
The T&C issue should not of even been raised IMO, there was a far more serious issue to be addressed and the fact was that Rado was not in breach of any T&C - as I say IMO it was a Red Herring or perhaps just a tactical error. To then change the T&C's in the middle of the dispute without informing Rado or explaining the where and why of it in the thread did not help.
Anyway they did the right thing and there was a positive outcome in the end and as I say fair play to them for that - but no medals - sorry.
It's all about opinions isn't it.

I do intend to behave myself over the Weekend - very badly indeed.

Praise to Rob for managing to use "fetishistic urge" on a moan and groan thread. :notworthy

 

[ksech]

Uh, did Rob get his hands on a dictionary??? *joking!*

But on a serious note, and please don't blast me cause I could really use a hug (and a new keyboard...stoopid cats and dogs!)...

On the off-the-wall chance that some of the new posters are dredging up old threads because after they reply to a thread, near the bottom of the page it gives them threads of similar topic/discussion. They may not be noticing the date of the original thread? I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on this. On several occassions I have clicked on links from old threads just to read what the content is...
So, maybe a gentle suggestion for new posters to check dates on threads before they reply to them?

 

[RobWin]

Uh, did Rob get his hands on a dictionary??? *joking!*

LOL...yea..."Funky & Wagnalls"..