Microgaming White Label Issue

[Pinababy69]

Does anyone know if any of the other Microgaming groups beside Playshare are promoting "white label" casinos?

Jetset? Bryan? Simmo? Mario?

Any of the CM members that are webmasters... can you offer some info on this?

Where's that Jackpot Factory guy... David Brickman... maybe he can add something to this issue...

Excellent question Track. And this is what I'm going to focus on now. If I WERE still an affiliate, and had contact with the affiliate managers it would have been a whole lot easier. As it stands, I doubt any of them will be too eager to talk to me, and can ya blame them I guess?

What they don't understand is that if they would come forward on their own, and at least to admit partaking in this...it would be a first step in the right direction. If I have to go and "search" them all up, I'm gonna be even more pissed off. Maybe I should write to each of them anyway, and give them all a chance to deny it or to come clean. If they deny it, then I find out they were lying.... No words needed. It would only prove my point that this whole campaign has been deceptive, on alot of fronts. And covered up by alot of people, obviously.

I think some others(2) have been mentioned, Roxy and need to check posts, but PINA posted she would attempt to dig all of them up with her research skills. Hope this helps. I look for the other and edit post.

Yes, there were three so far....going just on the threads that Mousey posted links to, and that VWM mentioned in his post. Grand Prive (Referspot affiliate program, although I seem to remember that they may have changed names), Roxy Palace (Roxy affiliates) and Ruby Fortune (part of the Palace Group/Wagershare affiliate program). I want to check first to find out if they are STILL doing this before I say too much more. I would assume so, but I don't like assuming anything.

Oh, and Simmo mentioned seeing one in a magazine advertised as being run by the Belle Rock Group or Carmen Media. (affiliate program Referback).

This has not been the case here or (if there are other MGS licensees involved in this additional business) elsewhere, and that needs rectifying immediately.

I don't personally like the white label concept but it is not "evil" per se....provided it is done with the right sort of professional checks and monitoring and in a transparent manner.

It may not be evil per se Jet, but the way it stands, even deceptive is too kind a word.

I still think that saturating the internet with straight clones that serve no "niche" is not a professional way to conduct business, IMO. There is no need for it. Other than to make money. As references the player however, there is NO benefit, none. It actually harms the player if not handled properly...and I really take offense at a casino rep trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes by saying the "player is the first priority". Lies only serve to piss me off even further.

And what is really pushing my buttons right now is that this has been happening for eight months and NO ONE told the playing community. Not even when the opportunities arose. I'll leave that alone for now, as I wanna focus on the searching.

 

[winbig]

As long as it is well managed, then there shouldn't be an issue. You had a great experience - don't spoil it by fretting over something that might not be a problem.

What is playshare's stance on multiple accounts across their WL casinos?

For example, if I was locked out of one casino for whatever reasons, would I still be eligible to create an account at one of their other skins? Would my winnings be voided at that skin if I were to win, and they found out I was locked out from another skin when they were processing my cashout?



Not fretting, just wanting to get the facts

 

[Pinababy69]

A Starting Point.....

I just sent the following form letter to some of the affiliate programs for the larger MG groups. I don't hold out much hope for any honesty, or even any replies, but it seemed as good a place to start as any. It will be interesting to say the least what I get back in return...and if I get nothing, that also says alot.

Just for clarification, for anyone who isn't familiar with which programs are for which casino groups, here is who it was sent to:

Vegas Partner (Vegas Partner Lounge)
Roxy Affiliates (Roxy Palace, Casino Splendido)
Wagershare (Palace Group)
Referback (Belle Rock Entertainment)
Rewards Affiliates (Casino Rewards)
CasinoProfitShare (Casino Action Group)
Fortune Affiliates (Fortune Lounge)
Brightshare (Jackpot Factory Group)
Vegas Affiliates (The Mini-Vegas Group ie. Colosseum, Vegas Joker, etc.)
Golden Star Network (Golden Riviera, Slots Royale, Miami Paradise, RiverNile, etc.)

I will let you know what, if any, replies I receive.

----- Original Message -----
From: Lisa xxxxx
To: affsupport@vegaspartner.com
Cc: roxyaffiliates ; support@wagershare.com ; support@referback.com ; yaniv@rewardsaffiliates.com ; jon@casinoprofitshare.com ; manager@fortuneaffiliates.com ; info@brightshare.com ; info@vegasaffiliates.com ; kirsten@goldenstarnetwork.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:33 AM
Subject: Microgaming White Label Casinos


Hi,

I am writing to you in hopes that I can get some clarification as to where your affiliate program/casino group stands on the issue of Microgaming casinos offering White Label brands.

There is a thread currently on Casinomeister, which discusses this in some depth. Here is the link:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/microgaming-white-label-issue.19166/

It appears that this practice has been going on for quite some time, by more than one casino group, at least eight months, possibly more. No one has felt the need to inform the general playing public about this practice, not even when people complained about receiving spam emails from what we all thought at the time were just sleazy affiliates. Imagine our shock when we now find out that these emails come from respected MG brands themselves.

Playshare Affiliates are the program who are taking the brunt of the anger at the moment, but I'm sure that will extend to others if it turns out that they have also been deceitful in their management of the White Label program. The Playshare representative did himself no favours by saying that the "cat was out of the bag" when confronted with the evidence. His statement implied that it was never meant for the general public to know about this, at least not now.

I fully intend to dig up which programs are participating in this, and thought I would start by asking you directly if your program is involved in the promotion of White Label brands? Transparency seems to be one of the major concerns of everyone right now, and you would do yourself no favours by denying it, if you are indeed practicing this form of marketing. It will only look worse when the truth inevitably comes out. The best option would be to admit that your program is participating in it, and offer some reassurance and some clarity on how you plan to administer this campaign/program.

I have extensively searched all of your websites, and can find no mention of any White Label partnerships being offered. However, I also searched playshareaffiliates.com and found no mention of it either, so that obviously means nothing, as they are definitely involved, and currently have 35 clones on offer to the playing public. Just another attempt to keep it hidden from public view.

I would appreciate an acknowledgement of this email, as silence tends to speak volumes.

Kind Regards,

Lisa xxxxx


I understand that not everyone cares about this issue, and that's fine. I am posting this more for the benefit of those that do.

 

[Pinababy69]

More Evidence of Playshare's EXTENSIVE Screening Process!!

This was just forwarded to me by a webmaster with a conscience who finds it all just as sleazy as I do. This is all part of the selective process they use to screen applicants for this program, to ensure that their reputation is kept intact. OMG...... the hypocrisy. I say again, MONEY, and nothing but money. Nothing to do with players coming first, nothing.

----- Original Message -----
From: PlayShare Affiliates | G3 Partner
To: (email edited to protect someone with a conscience, ha ha)
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 6:25 AM
Subject: Finder's Fee On Offer


13 June 2007



Dear xxxxxxx,

How would you like to earn a cool $3,000?

We're looking for high-quality white label partners, and are offering a $3,000 Finder's Fee to you as an incentive. This fee will be paid when the referred white label partner generates their first $3,000 in net revenue with us.

We are especially targeting existing US-facing online casinos that are currently on platforms other than Microgaming, and who might potentially be without a software provider should these providers withdraw from the US market.

If you, or anyone you know, may be interested in becoming a white label partner, please e-mail Lawrence Wilson at lawrence.wilson@playshare.com for more information.

The PlayShare Affiliates Team
Lawrence, Jon-Jon, Anne, Cherylann and Roland

 

[vinylweatherman]

Thanks Brian,

May I add to this that I take my business very serious? As a matter of fact, it takes a lot of work once you decide to take it serious.

I am sorry that people had bad experiences with some other white label casinos. It was and never will be my intention to mislead people. To be honest, all this has made me think different about the whole case. And, if needed, I will take appropriate actions. If it requires me to take the white labels of off my domains, I will.

But, I truly think there is nothing wrong with having white label casinos the way I have them. In fact, I am very proud to be able to have them the way I do.

Please take note: I do not promote the way we all hate. I have never send one single email to people about these casinos. I take my business too damn serious. It took me years to get to where I am now. Spamming is for loosers.

My apologies to anyone who is offended with my urls. And, sorry about the way my goldeninternetc site looks. I am not a webmaster. I am a business man. And, as far as I know, I am not the only one.

I will keep a very close eye on how this evolves.

I thank everybody for their input. It is really appreciated.

Thanks.

So why not cut the clutter and just promote the source casinos from a selection of groups and softwares. You can add extra content to the site to draw punters in (reviews etc). It MAY even be possible to sponsor tournaments under the MG multiplayer system as an incentive to new players who use your links. Crypto casinos have had this in place for a while, but it is rarely used outside of poker sites.
Any player who gets shafted by the second casino on your site because they played at the first will ignore the rest, and tell their friends it is a big con. They will think the casinos are independent (which is what they are supposed to think), and they have been unfairly blacklisted just because they won at the first, or even just had a bonus there. This will create an atmosphere where NO "new start up casinos" are trusted, whatever their alleged pedigree, and the whole white label idea will die out (with any luck ).

 

[Simmo!]

Does anyone know if any of the other Microgaming groups beside Playshare are promoting "white label" casinos?

Jetset? Bryan? Simmo? Mario?

As stated previously, Belle Rock do it but in (what I consider to be) the proper manner.

For example, Lycos have one here:

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

- its more "co-branded" than "white label" but a similar principle. Above all, its transparent.

 

[Pinababy69]

This Just Gets Better...and SLEAZIER!!

AND is maintained in a sensible and proper manner as what you would come to expect from an industry leading gaming provider and casinos.

be monitored to ensure that the software provider, the licensee AND the player are not compromised in anyway.

We do vet our partners and the program is strictly monitored at all times.

If a partner is seen to be overstepping the line we scrutinize and take appropriate actions against the guilty parties.

I think you guys need to hire a new MONITOR Mario, or give the present one a raise.

I decided to check out some of the clone sites that were on that list, and really give them a good going over (and I'm not even getting paid for it). I came across one called Casino2See. Here is a screenshot of the homepage. I love saving things for later reference....screenshots are sooo handy.

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At first glance, it looks identical to all the others right? Take a look up in the right hand corner...more 2 see at Cam2see.com. I'm thinking to myself...no, can't be...is this what I think it is. Well, brave soul that I am, I clicked on it. Yes, it's a clickable link. Here is the page that comes up when you click the link.

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Each of those four boxes has a clickable link. I don't advise anyone clicking on any of them themselves, but I'll tell you where they take you.

Erotic - cam2sex.com
Dating - adultfriendfinder.com
Casino - to the casino obviously
Internet TV - vod.sextoytv.com

This is where I need someone else to figure out for me how long that page has been up there for all to see.

Using Bryan's example of when white labelling is okay, maybe Playshare and Microgaming felt that pornography and webcam sex was a huge void in the market they were looking to target. You know, one of those "niches" that had to be filled.

Micro and especially Playshare should hang their heads in shame. Jackpot Factory was bad, this is just as bad, maybe worse. You can bet that eCOGRA will be getting copies of all this tomorrow Playshare. This is exactly what players are looking for when searching up a new, reputable MG casino to play at.

I'm editing this to add in the following screenshot, I want to make sure there is no mistaking where these links take you to. I edited out the flashing banner from this image, which said "Take A Nurse's Temperature With Your C**k". You fill in the blanks.

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[mrracetrack]

Very Sleazy...

Microgaming should truly be ashamed... to have allowed "sleazy sexual promotions" to be incorporated with their "white label" casinos... but we obviously know THEY ARE NOT!!

I would expect this from a group like Virtual... but not Microgaming...

This is further proof that the ONLY thing these casinos and Microgaming care about is... $$$$$.

I wonder if these "porn sites" are e-Cogra approved?

After all... these casinos are...

 

[winbig]

The modified date on cam2see.com's index page is June 27th, this year. The domain was registered August 06, 2004. The domain information was UPDATED on June 9th, 2007.

What's that mean?

It means that more than likely, the domain was BOUGHT in June just for this purpose.

Registrant details?

Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

)
Domain Name: CAM2SEE.COM

Domain servers in listed order:
DNS1.ICERTIFIED.NET
DNS2.ICERTIFIED.NET

Casino2see.com - same "Updated" date.

Updated Date: 09-jun-2007
Creation Date: 24-apr-2007

Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

)
Domain Name: CASINO2SEE.COM

Domain servers in listed order:
NS47.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS48.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Pina,
AFF is my favorite site on the Web other than CM. I am so busted, please keep this a secret,please.

 

[Pinababy69]

Pina,
AFF is my favorite site on the Web other than CM. I am so busted, please keep this a secret,please.

So busted? You're not alone Nash.

Now, could someone explain to me again how white labels are a good thing? And how in this particular instance Playshare was thinking only of the player? Player comes first right?

 

[NASHVEGAS]

So busted? You're not alone Nash.

Now, could someone explain to me again how white labels are a good thing? And how in this particular instance Playshare was thinking only of the player? Player comes first right?

So I can find you at AFF,

 

[Pinababy69]

So I can find you at AFF,

Absolutely!! Same screen name as always.

 

[Pinababy69]

The modified date on cam2see.com's index page is June 27th, this year. The domain was registered August 06, 2004. The domain information was UPDATED on June 9th, 2007.

What's that mean?

It means that more than likely, the domain was BOUGHT in June just for this purpose.

I checked Wayback, and as of right now, there is only one cached page for Casino2see.com, which was for May, 2007. It basically shows only a parked page with some stupid ads on it. But I'll keep checking to see when the updated version gets cached, and what date actually shows the current page. In any event, it's pretty obvious that there has been ZERO checking done on these white label partners. It doesn't really matter if Casino2see.com (with the Cam2See link) has been there for a week or a month...it should not be there at all, and never should have been.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Absolutely!! Same screen name as always.

LMFAOOOOOOOO

 

[vinylweatherman]

So busted? You're not alone Nash.

Now, could someone explain to me again how white labels are a good thing? And how in this particular instance Playshare was thinking only of the player? Player comes first right?

Looks like a peddler of "adult content" decided the mix was incomplete without a casino. From the casino site, nothing looks amiss until the link is clicked. There is nothing to link this site with Playshare except this discussion. Being the internet, this is likely to be "hard porn", rather than the kind associated with Playboy. How "hard" is anyone's guess, but at least it seems to remain at adult level, unlike the lack of restraint shown by other filth peddlers on the internet.
Such connected marketing, even if not intended, will only damage the reputation of the brands involved. The damage will be amplified if such issues get into the hands of the regulatory bodies, such as the new UK Gaming commission. They may wreck any chance of convincing the USA that online gambling should be regulated, and not banned, they thought it morally corrupt WITHOUT the porn, what now!!

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Looks like a peddler of "adult content" decided the mix was incomplete without a casino. From the casino site, nothing looks amiss until the link is clicked. There is nothing to link this site with Playshare except this discussion. Being the internet, this is likely to be "hard porn", rather than the kind associated with Playboy. How "hard" is anyone's guess, but at least it seems to remain at adult level, unlike the lack of restraint shown by other filth peddlers on the internet.
Such connected marketing, even if not intended, will only damage the reputation of the brands involved. The damage will be amplified if such issues get into the hands of the regulatory bodies, such as the new UK Gaming commission. They may wreck any chance of convincing the USA that online gambling should be regulated, and not banned, they thought it morally corrupt WITHOUT the porn, what now!!

I dunno VWM, AFF is an accredited porn site, I even once got 5 scatters.

 

[Pinababy69]

Looks like a peddler of "adult content" decided the mix was incomplete without a casino.

I agree VWM. He was obviously one of the partners who was vigorously checked out and pre-screened, prior to allowing him to market the (formerly) reputable MG software. Or hey, maybe someone referred him and collected a nifty 3K for doing so.

 

[Mousey]

I agree VWM. He was obviously one of the partners who was vigorously checked out and pre-screened, prior to allowing him to market the (formerly) reputable MG software. Or hey, maybe someone referred him and collected a nifty 3K for doing so.

Great... just great... like Frist and the other sanctimonious dunderheads need more ammo against online gambling....

Thanks for all this research Pina. Opening my eyes and making me want to all at the same time....

 

[Pinababy69]

eCOGRA Clarification

Will these clones fall under the Playshare umbrella as pertains to eCOGRA? Or will they be left to fend for themselves? And if eCOGRA choose not to be involved in each of these "separate" operations (and I wouldn't blame them)...who will be responsible for resolving problems? Casinomeister? The top dogs at eCOGRA must be sweating bullets right now. What a potential PR nightmare, especially given their efforts in the last year to branch out and try to get in touch more with the gaming community.

You can bet that eCOGRA will be getting copies of all this tomorrow Playshare.

I wonder if these "porn sites" are e-Cogra approved?

After all... these casinos are... [/B]

Well, this is three times now I've had to say shame on me. And Track, you also receive one demerit point.

Why the shame? Because I "assumed" something and that is a big no-no. Given my sleuthing skills, the one thing I hadn't checked out was whether or not the Playshare Group of Casinos (CasinoShare, GrandMonaco, PokerShare, etc), actually did have eCOGRA certification. They DO NOT.

They do participate in the payout percentage verification service that eCOGRA offers, but this is a totally separate entity and has NOTHING to do with certification.

They are not listed under eCOGRA's list of certified casinos, and it has been verified with Andrew Beveridge directly, that they do not hold an eCOGRA seal of approval. In a way, it is almost too bad...because at least with eCOGRA, there was an avenue to pursue in regards to rectifying the problem(s).

Last year when the Jackpot Factory scandal was brewing, Andrew was very receptive to any and all feedback, from myself and others. I think he tries to practice an open door policy and that is a good thing, IMO. As it stands now, Microgaming's silence on this whole affair is deafening.

So, consider this an official apology to eCOGRA, for any references made by myself in this thread. I posted without checking my facts. Lesson learned.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Great... just great... like Frist and the other sanctimonious dunderheads need more ammo against online gambling....

Thanks for all this research Pina. Opening my eyes and making me want to all at the same time....

Spot on again Mousey, as the ramifications are a goldmine for both donkeys and elephants. It is not like Thompson(who has not even announced he is running for President but is very high and actually leads in some polls) is not extremely close to Frist as they both served as TN's senators at the same time,continue to run in the same social circle, and actually lived at one time within minutes of each other for years in Nashvegas. I will try to get Thompson's take on this asap.......As for the donkeys, our only hope is Bill and Ms. Clinton as I would bet "porn" along with "find a f..k buddy" sites mixed with online gambling casino sites is not personally a big deal. Now, Tipper that is another story.......If the player watchdog sites advocate (what Pina et al have factually posted in regards to these W/L's) and continue to rationalize and justify in any form whatsoever, I bet(NPI) the government's witchhunt will not cease anytime soon. Furthermore,this issue of W/L's will probably put an US affiliate in the slammer as an scare tactic to further the US gov's political agenda and Microgaming exec.'s will not be seen in the US. The online addicts and others can play on(as Lojo would say) but personally I am done until there is at least some form(s) of real accountabilty,transparency, and regulation. I want to see actions not meaningless words,promises or even opinions. I am the player damnit who financially supports those spitting out all these meaningless(imo) words,etc.

 

[Pinababy69]

I am the player damnit who financially supports those spitting out all these meaningless(imo) words,etc.

You said a mouthful there Nash. The player should be the only consideration. I don't frequent B&M casinos myself, but from everything I have read over the years, the general consensus seems to be that they really know how to cater to their players, big and small. Room comps, food, drinks, shows, complimentary betting vouchers, etc. And yet, they still manage to make buckets full of money, with what I assume is a much higher overhead to maintain than an online casino. It makes no sense to me, but then I'm not a financial wizard, or business major. But I think it is why an operation like 32Red is so successful...because they DO cater to the player and offer incentives and comps more in keeping with B&M's. That and the "personal" touch.

Further to the post about Casino2See, it was brought to my attention that I had overlooked something, lol. Right on the very homepage of the casino itself. The support girl is naked, or at least the implication is there. Unbelievable. I don't personally find it offensive, but it is hardly in keeping with the image that a truly professional operation would want to convey. More in line with phone sex, than online casinos. Unless all those support people I have talked to over the years have been having one mass orgy all this time. Maybe that explains their disinterest in real problems.

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[mrracetrack]

???

What happened to Mario?

I thought for sure he would have some comments to make about all of this...

Maybe that "cat that got out of the bag"... has got Mario's tongue...

 

[Pinababy69]

What happened to Mario?

I thought for sure he would have some comments to make about all of this...

Maybe that "cat that got out of the bag"... has got Mario's tongue...

LOL....

Maybe he is doing his daily rounds of all their clone sites? You know, quality control checks. :nod:

 

[NASHVEGAS]

You said a mouthful there Nash. The player should be the only consideration. I don't frequent B&M casinos myself, but from everything I have read over the years, the general consensus seems to be that they really know how to cater to their players, big and small. Room comps, food, drinks, shows, complimentary betting vouchers, etc. And yet, they still manage to make buckets full of money, with what I assume is a much higher overhead to maintain than an online casino. It makes no sense to me, but then I'm not a financial wizard,

Oh yes you are and spot on again. I do not want derail thread but if necessary I can post all kinds of proof regarding your assertions above.