Microgaming reset on guts?

[lotusch]

I still wonder,is the slot fully reset,like I mean is my average RTP on this slot at Guts now also back to starting point?
Or is it just the achievement table?

 

[brianmon]

I still wonder,is the slot fully reset,like I mean is my average RTP on this slot at Guts now also back to starting point?
Or is it just the achievement table?

will that matter? if, as most people on here say/believe, that all slots are completely random, and each spin is independent of any previous spins

 

[dunover]

will that matter? if, as most people on here say/believe, that all slots are completely random, and each spin is independent of any previous spins

Well, Lotusch is right as it COULD matter due to the law of large numbers. If you had played tens of thousands of spins and had a sub-par RTP then over time you'd get nearer to the TRTP and therefore could reasonably expect the random effect to start balancing out in your favour. If you started on Guts (like me) with a TSII RTP of well in excess of 100% then the reset would likely work in your favour by removing the RTP 'down curve' that would likely occur as time went on with the balancing effect of a larger and larger number of spins.
This has nothing to do with 'randomness' but the balancing of TRTP with a larger number of spins, as we have seen confirmed by the stats kktmd and others posted on the MG 243-way games.

 

[brianmon]

Well, Lotusch is right as it COULD matter due to the law of large numbers. If you had played tens of thousands of spins and had a sub-par RTP then over time you'd get nearer to the TRTP and therefore could reasonably expect the random effect to start balancing out in your favour. If you started on Guts (like me) with a TSII RTP of well in excess of 100% then the reset would likely work in your favour by removing the RTP 'down curve' that would likely occur as time went on with the balancing effect of a larger and larger number of spins.
This has nothing to do with 'randomness' but the balancing of TRTP with a larger number of spins, as we have seen confirmed by the stats kktmd and others posted on the MG 243-way games.

But he's still playing the same game on, presumably, the same server, just with a different ID

 

[Unibet Rep]

Hello everyone,

The downtime that will take place on Unibet is to implement and activate the new rules that we have to adhere to in order to operate in the UK (such as verification and responsible gaming rules). We're still able to continue offering the casino games using the same systems as before and therefore no achievements will be lost in this process.

It could happen that later down the line we have to migrate the accounts to separate servers which will mean that achievements will be starting over from scratch. Should it come to that stage we will of course make sure that anyone that would be affected by this is informed well ahead in time and will consider compensation where appropriate.

Kind regards,
Sue

 

[vinylweatherman]

Hello everyone,

The downtime that will take place on Unibet is to implement and activate the new rules that we have to adhere to in order to operate in the UK (such as verification and responsible gaming rules). We're still able to continue offering the casino games using the same systems as before and therefore no achievements will be lost in this process.

It could happen that later down the line we have to migrate the accounts to separate servers which will mean that achievements will be starting over from scratch. Should it come to that stage we will of course make sure that anyone that would be affected by this is informed well ahead in time and will consider compensation where appropriate.

Kind regards,
Sue

Players feel that a migration procedure should have been developed that would enable the preservation of their achievements. It is also odd that Guts was "forced to" have a new Casino ID in order to comply with the new UK rules, yet Unibet doesn't.

The UK rules don't appear to specify where the casino's servers have to be based, just that the bets from UK players must be taken in accordance with the new rules from midnight tonight. It's hard to see why this would require a "downtime" of the casino.

 

[Jono777]

What I was originally led to believe regarding the UK law changes was the 'tax' purposes was being changed from a 'place of supply' to a 'place of consumption' - hence the original idea of basing your casino operations overseas being no longer advantageous.

Probably loads of 'grey' areas I'm unaware of, but the basics look to me are either

1) Start paying taxes on UK players wagers etc
2) Close down service to UK players

All this migration / loss of paytables etc seems to me as VWM has previously mentioned and suggested as poor planning and preparation and could have all been totally avoided.

Not the casino operators fault in the slightest but another case of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted

 

[aceking123]

Hello everyone,

The downtime that will take place on Unibet is to implement and activate the new rules that we have to adhere to in order to operate in the UK (such as verification and responsible gaming rules). We're still able to continue offering the casino games using the same systems as before and therefore no achievements will be lost in this process.

It could happen that later down the line we have to migrate the accounts to separate servers which will mean that achievements will be starting over from scratch. Should it come to that stage we will of course make sure that anyone that would be affected by this is informed well ahead in time and will consider compensation where appropriate.

Kind regards,
Sue

derail sue . can i ask to wether unibet is going to pull neteller & skrill like your sister site maria ? ?? ?

 

[Balthazar]

Took me a little under 1500 spins to unlock everything on IR and ended with a nice profit. I tried with Jurassic Park but it doesn't seem as receptive.

Not going to unlock TSII, not sure about TFROL yet. I usually play NetEnt @ Guts because when I want to play MGS I prefer the native client.

 

[Jono777]

WOW! If you've unlocked the whole table in that few a spins, Including the 5x Wilds n Scatters, not to mention the elusive 'Michael' you must be luckiest slotter around.

I have done hundreds of thousands of spins across numerous casinos over the years on both IR and TSII and although extremely close, none are 100% gold.......yet

 

[Balthazar]

WOW! If you've unlocked the whole table in that few a spins, Including the 5x Wilds n Scatters, not to mention the elusive 'Michael' you must be luckiest slotter around.

No I've unlocked the bonus rounds. These other things aren't locked, they are completely useless achievements.

 

[brianmon]

Took me a little under 1500 spins to unlock everything on IR and ended with a nice profit. I tried with Jurassic Park but it doesn't seem as receptive.

Not going to unlock TSII, not sure about TFROL yet. I usually play NetEnt @ Guts because when I want to play MGS I prefer the native client.

That must be some kind of world record - 15 bonus rounds in less than 1500 spins, when most people would be lucky to get 5 or 6

 

[Balthazar]

That must be some kind of world record - 15 bonus rounds in less than 1500 spins, when most people would be lucky to get 5 or 6

On average you should unlock the 4 different bonus rounds in ~2300 spins.

 

[loren]

Took me a little under 1500 spins to unlock everything on IR and ended with a nice profit. I tried with Jurassic Park but it doesn't seem as receptive.

Not going to unlock TSII, not sure about TFROL yet. I usually play NetEnt @ Guts because when I want to play MGS I prefer the native client.

that seams like a good way..

 

[maphesto]

I can understand if some players find it disturbing if achievements were lost, but the mentioned machines still at least have the same RTP.

I wonder what happened with collecting slot machines, as Wealth Spa, Scrooge and TRII? I don't know if GUTS have those machines but the question might come up at other casinos as well.

If you play Scrooge and have collected 40 free spins and you are at dec 23, were these collected days/spins lost when the machines were reset?

 

[spintee]

I have just checked a few casinos, verajohn is not even showing MG or NETBENT just a few games, I received email of thrills stating there will not be as many games until the suppliers they get license but I see no games missing? Not what I play any way,

With the achievements I will add some screen shots, Only casino that achievements have not gone is betat, Like VWM stated this is bull shit, Why can some do it and others not? Also be careful as paul7388 pointed out, You bet size is also reset on most

 

[spintee]

On both mentioned games if you get free spins from Guts again for those two games when you load them you will carry on at same multiplier on big bang and same wishes on wishmaster as you had on your last free spins. I know it might be a long time before you get them again .

It seems to work on same basis as when you leave big bang or wishmaster with a high multiplier or scrolls at say 5p bets and go back weeks later at same coin bet the game continues where left. It does the same on free spins as must recognise coin value as free.

There is one down side to this, If the bloody machines have been reste than surely the free spins bit would have been reset, I have been caught out many of times on this one, I was on a good roll once, I forgot what machine it was now but ran out of free spins and had to wait a week to carry on lol,,
You can ask live chat if they it and ask for a few free spins, abit cheeky and tell the truth I have neteher asked but you do not no until asked, I wouldn't hold you breath low, But as stated if machines have been resets than be no good, Guess we have to wait and see if the free spins have also been reset, If you see my above post, As far as I can see only betat has not lost achievements

 

[aceking123]

the achievements can make a difference as at guts on a couple ive been well down in the play because i would no doubt get closer to the trtp with carrying on playing before this was lost , if we talking a few thousand spins maybe not but, its from the point i opened the account as i play there very often you can see why im pretty pi$$ed off about it .

 

[spintee]

I have tried going threw the thread but its a bit difficult and I have a banging head (self inflicted)

I would like to no Ben how comes betat is all good? And also is there going to be a few free spins After checking a few other sites it seems that you are the only site so far to actually reset the whole shebang, such as bet size ect, I no sites can chose what bet size to start of with, But IR always starts with the ten coins at very 1st go, But if you see thrills that's still siting at 30p play? Achievements have gone but bet size has stayed the same,

I remember a few months back my stats got wiped from a site and so did other players( I think videoslot), They was put back to normal and compensate with free spins, Again as VWM pointed out where are the rules for this, Please point us in the right direction,
Also would be good to no if any person does get compensation (free spins) Yes greatfull that we have good sites still in the U.K and help here, But what use is that if getting stifed all the time? We pay good money to play, and some people have not got much cash and them achievements is some thing to look forward to, Even no its a ll a con but thats not the point, To get it took of you is like a punch in the nose

 

[aceking123]

I have tried going threw the thread but its a bit difficult and I have a banging head (self inflicted)

I would like to no Ben how comes betat is all good? And also is there going to be a few free spins After checking a few other sites it seems that you are the only site so far to actually reset the whole shebang, such as bet size ect, I no sites can chose what bet size to start of with, But IR always starts with the ten coins at very 1st go, But if you see thrills that's still siting at 30p play? Achievements have gone but bet size has stayed the same,

I remember a few months back my stats got wiped from a site and so did other players( I think videoslot), They was put back to normal and compensate with free spins, Again as VWM pointed out where are the rules for this, Please point us in the right direction,
Also would be good to no if any person does get compensation (free spins) Yes greatfull that we have good sites still in the U.K and help here, But what use is that if getting stifed all the time? We pay good money to play, and some people have not got much cash and them achievements is some thing to look forward to, Even no its a ll a con but thats not the point, To get it took of you is like a punch in the nose

i think your find it isnt ben that you need to talk with its micro gaming , as vwm has pointed out there has no doubt been a big screw up , hence to why there is no comment from micro gaming , they should be compensating there players though as this isnt the players fault , were the guys who spend alot of money in them .

 

[spintee]

i think your find it isnt ben that you need to talk with its micro gaming , as vwm has pointed out there has no doubt been a big screw up , hence to why there is no comment from micro gaming , they should be compensating there players though as this isnt the players fault , were the guys who spend alot of money in them .

I only said as Ben stated MG but its funny how betat is all good? with the achievements

If can work for one than why not the rest? Its easy to blame the operator, If for once we was told the truth about the changes ect than at least it will cut theses uneccasry threads down

 

[aceking123]

I only said as Ben stated MG but its funny how betat is all good? with the achievements

If can work for one than why not the rest? Its easy to blame the operator, If for once we was told the truth about the changes ect than at least it will cut theses uneccasry threads down

i think bens hands are tied , its a pity we shant here from micro gaming , maybe were never going to know what realy has happened (

 

[spintee]

i think bens hands are tied , its a pity we shant here from micro gaming , maybe were never going to know what realy has happened (

Thats 1 thing for sure, We will netehr no the full truth, You would of thought with all the bucks MG make they would employ a few people in the no how to come to places like this and inlight us abit, But believe it it or not its a secret business behind them doors and I bet the casinos do not even get the full story behind things,

Im suprised that the U.K is only just got there grubby hands in the bit of the pie

 

[maphesto]

I asked this some days ago, does anyone know if mentioned machines were reset and collecting items lost?

I can understand if some players find it disturbing if achievements were lost, but the mentioned machines still at least have the same RTP.

I wonder what happened with collecting slot machines, as Wealth Spa, Scrooge and TRII? I don't know if GUTS have those machines but the question might come up at other casinos as well.

If you play Scrooge and have collected 40 free spins and you are at dec 23, were these collected days/spins lost when the machines were reset?

 

[Jono777]

I can understand if some players find it disturbing if achievements were lost, but the mentioned machines still at least have the same RTP.

I wonder what happened with collecting slot machines, as Wealth Spa, Scrooge and TRII? I don't know if GUTS have those machines but the question might come up at other casinos as well.

If you play Scrooge and have collected 40 free spins and you are at dec 23, were these collected days/spins lost when the machines were reset?

I would guess 'Yes' I play the 'Untamed' Games with the collect a wild feature, 9/10 when I've finished on them I have the odd couple of wilds to 'use next time'
Went to play after 'reset' and they'd gone on all 4 Untamed and bet size was back to £3 also.

 

[aceking123]

so it seems all have been reset then ive played those a few times aswell , arghhhh micro gaming maybe its time to have a real big moan now , MG you should be refunding or paying some compensation for all our hard work on getting the achievements up.

 

[Jono777]

so it seems all have been reset then ive played those a few times aswell , arghhhh micro gaming maybe its time to have a real big moan now , MG you should be refunding or paying some compensation for all our hard work on getting the achievements up.

Totally agree we should be compensated - somehow and that's the problem, its not the casinos fault its down to their software provider so as much as I'd love it as I've lost it across a few accounts only the casinos that 'care' may offer a little something.

Not going to mention any names but one casino gave me a decent compensation, well popular and multi software so lets play there! but another basically wasn't interested and blamed MG and a newish one very similar to Spin Palace but with No Palace well lets just say i may as well use Hieroglyphics in their 'live help' and my emails go unanswered, so unless micro gaming have a 'credit all members £50 button' I'm afraid it's time to 'stop crying over spilt milk' for us all

 

[aceking123]

Totally agree we should be compensated - somehow and that's the problem, its not the casinos fault its down to their software provider so as much as I'd love it as I've lost it across a few accounts only the casinos that 'care' may offer a little something.

Not going to mention any names but one casino gave me a decent compensation, well popular and multi software so lets play there! but another basically wasn't interested and blamed MG and a newish one very similar to Spin Palace but with No Palace well lets just say i may as well use Hieroglyphics in their 'live help' and my emails go unanswered, so unless micro gaming have a 'credit all members £50 button' I'm afraid it's time to 'stop crying over spilt milk' for us all

that coupled with around 77%rtp over at guts on micro gaming i think its a standing joke.

 

[Jono777]

that coupled with around 77%rtp over at guts on micro gaming i think its a standing joke.

Surely for a site that's so popular its not that low, for all I mean or is that your personal RTP on MG games?

Thought the factory 'settings' were all in the high 90's??

 

[homerbert]

the only problem as for me, this is that bonus rounds gone... Now i need spent my money again to unlock second at TS II, and last on IR(huge money loss detected)...

 

[aceking123]

Surely for a site that's so popular its not that low, for all I mean or is that your personal RTP on MG games?

Thought the factory 'settings' were all in the high 90's??

believe me my rtp% is that low , ben has been pretty damn good to me to be honest , overall at the casino playing other games mainly netent & igt im doing fine . all my losses period have come from the micro gaming side of things & were not talking pocket change , this is why im so pi$$ed off about it , ive spent hours upon hours of play to get those achievements up & its cost a fair ammount of cash aswell (

 

[wobble33]

believe me my rtp% is that low , ben has been pretty damn good to me to be honest , overall at the casino playing other games mainly netent & igt im doing fine . all my losses period have come from the micro gaming side of things & were not talking pocket change , this is why im so pi$$ed off about it , ive spent hours upon hours of play to get those achievements up & its cost a fair ammount of cash aswell (

mr jones.

I have just been bonus banned! now with losing my 32 red club rouge status and now guts bonus banning me. seems to me they now picking on the uk players since it costs them 15% of revenue since this uk license has come into effect.

the thing is here with guts, I hardly take the 50% Monday bonus. very strange things happening here since this new law.

 

[homerbert]

*my usual post*
You guys can always move to Belarus. No restrictions, no laws about gambling online! No restricted softwares!

 

[aceking123]

its just to brutal playing micro gaming slots , bonus banned is a new one on me ,thankfully ive not had this yet . mind you im up around 20k in deposits at guts and slightly up aswell only around 1k , im just finding micro gaming slots a joke , so ive been keeping track of play at 4 casinos to where ive made small deposits

guts after the reset im already down 170 quid at mixed stakes 30p -60p ive never gone above , best result 30x bet (troy ) in a few thousand spins 160 spins done on feature amber not once hit 5oak its kinda of alarming to me that in 16 features ive not seen five 9s show up. three features today two on amber produced 4.80p at 60p & 2.80p at 60p troy paid 11.60 , then balance of 48.80 or so straight down to nothing didnt see anything above £6 , the point is thats what im playing i do understand your not going to win everytime ,it does swing but if im getting these results after 5 sessions i do wonder how many are getting pretty much the same ? & please dont think this has to do with guts only or im having a go at them because i can vouch one big for guts that ben the manager has gone way above what he needs to hence why i remain a loyal player

 

[mimi26]

mr jones.

I have just been bonus banned! now with losing my 32 red club rouge status and now guts bonus banning me. seems to me they now picking on the uk players since it costs them 15% of revenue since this uk license has come into effect.

the thing is here with guts, I hardly take the 50% Monday bonus. very strange things happening here since this new law.

I find this really strange!, why bonus ban someone from a casino that only offers one bonus a week, I just dont get it!

 

[wobble33]

I find this really strange!, why bonus ban someone from a casino that only offers one bonus a week, I just dont get it!

Well they said its because I only ever play when a bonus is involved. if they look properly in my account, they will see a deposit of £600 and no bonuses involved. also I think I also deposited £400 and no bonus involved.

You are correct, only one ever bonus is on a Monday. and the last three Mondays I didn't even play at the casino. nor take a bonus. I have noticed casinos now that have accepted the uk situation, are now looking to see if you are an advantage player, if you are. you get nothing. I honestly believe its the 15% revenue they pay, that is making these casinos come up with excuses.

I lost my club rouge, I never made a fuss about it. I was in club rouge for 8-9 years, then all of a sudden, when this revenue gets handed to them, they also dump me out of club rouge. I am a big winner at 32 red, maybe this is why, but its strange they have took all these years to look into my account. and dump me out of club rouge. anyway alls good, but just thought I let people know guts are starting this bonus banning lark now.

 

[yorgk]

Haven't made a withdrawl since the reset

 

[spintee]

Bonus banning people now is the last straw for me, I have been playing a few sites in the last few days and all my stats have been fine,

As pointed out earlier in this thread a few casinos have wiped my stats, Well I certainly will not be playing at any of theses especially that other casinos have been fine? Thousands upon thousands of spins & money has been spent for us to chose what feature we want, Not even an email to let us no, So for me unless they give us one hell of a bonus or free spins than any casino that stats have been wiped is now of my list,

 

[julkkujuu]

Btw, is there a time limit when the achievements would be reset if not used? For example, would they be reset on a dormant account if no games were played for a year?

 

[Jono777]

No!

I had built up achievements on lots of casinos, particularly download clients.

When I went thru a phase of closing the accounts I had the worst runs at (for a break etc) upon returning after a year or so, all the IT, TSIi achievements were intact as were bet sizes etc

The only thing that seemed to have 'toggled back' was the coins/credits and 'expert' settings that's all