Microgaming New Game Battlestar At Ladbrokes Casino

[HIGHIQ]

freespin 4 i double upload the other my excuse


here is spin 5 no result.



spin 6 no result..



spin 7 no result.



spin 8 no result

spin 9 no result.



spin 10 we got a winner here 1 usd paid..



spin 11 another winner 2.50 usd




spin 12 is the main page picture screenshot ... here once again then from the playcheck

i hope now this clarifies the outcome not to be 168 usd on that single spin....

 

[HIGHIQ]

sorry guys spin 12 is here the correct one somehow it went wrong my mistake my apologise once again..

 

[incrediblestuff]

Thats more like it

Complicated, it could be as Dunover and KK have said.. in any case according to playcheck the first eleven spins show a total of 3.70
(you said 2.50 for spin 10 i think, but that shows only 2,- as far as i can tell.

If i go by the "facts" about the payouts in this thread then it should be:

1x Saul with double wild = 40,-
7x aces with double wild = 112,-
1x aces = 8,-
8x 4 10's with double wild = 16,-

so i get 166, + 3.70 169.70

That could mean that either the playcheck displays wrong info: i have had it happen too..
Or that you got indeed a wrong payout.
In the screenshot on the first page it looks like they are all double wilds so...
Based on that, my calculaton should be correct.
Please feel free to correct me: Would certainly be nice to have Elliot in here

 

[HIGHIQ]

Thats more like it

Complicated, it could be as Dunover and KK have said.. in any case according to playcheck the first eleven spins show a total of 3.70
(you said 2.50 for spin 10 i think, but that shows only 2,- as far as i can tell.

If i go by the "facts" about the payouts in this thread then it should be:

1x Saul with double wild = 40,-
7x aces with double wild = 112,-
1x aces = 8,-
8x 4 10's with double wild = 16,-

so i get 166, + 3.70 169.70

That could mean that either the playcheck displays wrong info: i have had it happen too..
Or that you got indeed a wrong payout.
In the screenshot on the first page it looks like they are all double wilds so...
Based on that, my calculaton should be correct.
Please feel free to correct me: Would certainly be nice to have Elliot in here

no u are wrong... u have forgot the 3 plains i got to make the freespin mode start.. that is 15 usd they have include that to the 168 pay win....if u deducted that from ur win its totally wrong ... comes not even close to this amount then.. as u can see on the playchecks it say freespin win is 153usd and with 15 usd from the plains that is 168usd.... but how they get it to 153??

 

[incrediblestuff]

No i did not add the 15, so they would, according to my calculation make a grand total of 184.70

Like i said the playcheck has had it's hiccups in my experience too..

I only added up all the wins from the 12 freespins in my previous post, and went not by the paytable but
the amount of coins displayed as win, they usually are correct.
Of course in the last shot you posted, which is the playcheck version of your original screenshot i also see 3 sauls @ 2.50, which confuses me.
I'm figuring the playcheck is still buggy on this slot.

But the total amount of the win in the first screenshot you posted, is indeed exactly the 153.70 plus the 15,- trigger

 

[Nifty29]

I make it SIX aces x2 and ONE aces x1 I.e. 7 in total.

It would make the total then $150 for that spin, plus 3.70 for the other spins, plus 15.00 for the planes....which makes 168.70.

No?

It's the only thing that makes sense I.e. we were all over counting the number of five aces with double.



The payout is correct.

 

[The Dude]

Admin Note: be cool

ALL CAPS is a no go since it comes across as shouting. Also, please refrain form posting a separate post every couple of minutes. This leads to 10 page long threads when they are really 3-5 pages. You have up to 90 minutes to edit your posts if need be. Thank you.

 

[HIGHIQ]

ALL CAPS is a no go since it comes across as shouting. Also, please refrain form posting a separate post every couple of minutes. This leads to 10 page long threads when they are really 3-5 pages. You have up to 90 minutes to edit your posts if need be. Thank you.

i have apologise for it...

 

[HIGHIQ]

can anyone pls explain to me how to edit on other pages i have post that i wrote with caps like to change in normal? i know i have to click on edit post.. that doesnt bring me to the other pages.. tnx in advance..

if i have hurt anyones feelings that i wrote in caps i apologise sincerely...

HQ

 

[dunover]

I make it SIX aces x2 and ONE aces x1 I.e. 7 in total.

It would make the total then $150 for that spin, plus 3.70 for the other spins, plus 15.00 for the planes....which makes 168.70.

No?

It's the only thing that makes sense I.e. we were all over counting the number of five aces with double.



The payout is correct.

Nifty it is correct, but there are 8 ace wins.
ALL ace wins must have the two end aces. We then have 2x2x2 possibilities on the middle 3 reels. One of those 8 perms will be the 3 aces with no wild. That equals the the 5oak single aces. The remaining 7 perms all have a wild or more in, thus you have 7 double 5oak aces, added to the single line that equals 15 5oak aces at base value.
The win, I reiterate, is 56-1 and $168.

 

[HIGHIQ]

Nifty it is correct, but there are 8 ace wins.
ALL ace wins must have the two end aces. We then have 2x2x2 possibilities on the middle 3 reels. One of those 8 perms will be the 3 aces with no wild. That equals the the 5oak single aces. The remaining 7 perms all have a wild or more in, thus you have 7 double 5oak aces, added to the single line that equals 15 5oak aces at base value.
The win, I reiterate, is 56-1 and $168.

Dunover have u seen the screenshot of the total 12 pics i have added this morning u can find them earlier pages.. that explains u must not look at the 168 outcome.. 168 is totality of the freespin mode wins combined over 12 spins... that i hope it explained that this slot is not correct .. even its paying me 10 cent to less its not correct ..

imagine what the IRS does with me when i fill 10 bucks to less in... i will get caught as fraude user and get a big fat fine ..

 

[dunover]

sorry guys spin 12 is here the correct one somehow it went wrong my mistake my apologise once again..


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Something is odd here - I've just noticed you have a line paying 2.50 here which doesn't seem right. The character plus two wilds on first 3 reels should NOT be a win on it's own if there is a wild on 4 and character on 5. (unless being a 243-way slot it pays 3oak through the 'dead' symbol on reel 4.)
IF this is the case, then you will also have numerous combinations of 4oak aces too, as the character and queen on reel 5 are 'dead' as regards the ace wins.

If the above scenario is right then I (we) have been wrong and the win should be in excess of 168.



Can you post a screenshot of the report for the whole of this particular spin, i.e. ALL the permutations the report shows for that big win spin.
Cheers.

 

[HIGHIQ]

Something is odd here - I've just noticed you have a line paying 2.50 here which doesn't seem right. The character plus two wilds on first 3 reels should NOT be a win on it's own if there is a wild on 4 and character on 5.

I reiterate this spin should pay 168. But NO 2.50 lines.

Can you post a screenshot of the report for the whole of this particular spin, i.e. ALL the permutations the report shows for that 168 spin.
Cheers.

that is the only picture of spin 12 i can't find no more then this one..

 

[dunover]

HIGHIQ please re-read my last post as I edited it after you replied. You win report for that spin should go down showing ALL combinations you were paid, i.e. several 'lijnscore' pictures.

 

[HIGHIQ]

Something is odd here - I've just noticed you have a line paying 2.50 here which doesn't seem right. The character plus two wilds on first 3 reels should NOT be a win on it's own if there is a wild on 4 and character on 5. (unless being a 243-way slot it pays 3oak through the 'dead' symbol on reel 4.)
IF this is the case, then you will also have numerous combinations of 4oak aces too, as the character and queen on reel 5 are 'dead' as regards the ace wins.

If the above scenario is right then I (we) have been wrong and the win should be in excess of 168.



Can you post a screenshot of the report for the whole of this particular spin, i.e. ALL the permutations the report shows for that big win spin.
Cheers.

i want to make sure that others will not ask the same question... about where u can see the big win spin with all lines paid all combos paid ect.. here i try to explain..

as u can see this picture on the side there is no further scroll down to show all other combos as it should.. what u see is what i see... also u can see there the desciption ( gebeurtenis 12 van 12) it means happening 12 of 12 spins.. i find also weird that there is no show of all win line pays that will most explained it where and what combinations is worth how much ect... its simply missing ..hope this makes things more clear ..

HQ

 

[HIGHIQ]

in spin 10 also wrong pay

hi everyone... i have check and look over and over again try to find things.. now i find this which i not seen earlier.. is in freespin 10 there is a combo paid too less as u can see 4 kind of 10s gives a pay of 1 usd .. on screenshot there are two combinations of 4 kind of tens.. system shows only one line.. i can't scroll more down thats the only line its showing.. this game is full of underpaid errors ...this game has crushed me costed me so much money no wonder ....all that just in one freespin mode.. imagine all those freespin mode i had..it must been hundreds of times i seen this..freespin modes.. who is making money on this? is the casino getting better or microgaming getting better to underpay?

 

[dunover]

Yes, there is definitely 2 x 4oak tens there. While I am correct in that the big spin should have paid at least 168, it appears the game report is wrong here. What was the balance on your overall account immediately before the freespin round started and immediately after the freespins finished, i.e. your cash balance.
I have also checked that you are on a 243-way slot here. That means we all missed the fact that you should also have 1x4oak aces plus 7 4oak aces doubled. Also several 3oak 10's too, along with the 2.50 3oak character win which IS displayed on your game report. Weird.
I'm going to check one of mine on TSII now to make sure this is correct.
Your report above clearly shows this game is NOT doing what is advertised, as that spin shows you should have had $2.
I think this could be an explosive issue IF proven - we need to have somebody else who plays this (I don't) help us out here and check their reports.
It is beyond doubt that EITHER the game reports are wrong for this slot, or more likely there is a flaw/misdescription in the payouts. You should have had at least 168 on that spin and clearly didn't get it.
I think we need to forward this to PAB and/or get in touch with MG.

 

[dunover]

Seriously, somebody in CM or MG needs to take a look at this. This could be bigger than the recent 'rigged software' issue. Something clearly is wrong here. I have analysed the OP's screenshot/reports and it does NOT add up with the proscribed paytables. This is a 243-way slot and there is significant evidence of underpayment and missing wins.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Spin 10 is an absolute clanger, would be interesting to see if playcheck is wrong, or the slot is underpaying, or both.

 

[KasinoKing]

All that hard work and I never even got a thank-you from the revered hand of KK!
Never mind.

I thanked your post #27 yesterday morning - maybe you missed that!

Oh - and I just thanked #62 too - I really think you are on to something here - this slot seems totally screwed up to me!

KK

 

[incrediblestuff]

I thanked your post #27 yesterday morning - maybe you missed that!

Oh - and I just thanked #62 too - I really think you are on to something here - this slot seems totally screwed up to me!

KK

Have you two read my post??
I think not!

 

[09237653]

I think the playcheck of spin 12 and 10 are not showing the full "event" its only showing the wins payed before the extra wilds land, i dont think its cheating you in any way its just a bug with playcheck.

 

[HIGHIQ]

I think the playcheck of spin 12 and 10 are not showing the full "event" its only showing the wins payed before the extra wilds land, i dont think its cheating you in any way its just a bug with playcheck.

:lolsign:

 

[Nifty29]

:lolsign:

What a class act.

Ask for input/help, and then mock the members that take the time out to help you.

I suggest that everyone boycott this thread and stop assisting the OP, and spend that time helping someone else who might actually appreciate it.

Let him carry on like this to ladbrokes and/or via PAB and see how far he gets.

 

[dunover]

I thanked your post #27 yesterday morning - maybe you missed that!

Oh - and I just thanked #62 too - I really think you are on to something here - this slot seems totally screwed up to me!

KK

Yes, yes I missed that, I love you too KK

As I have stated, amending my first findings, this slot has not paid properly by its own rules.
I have been PM'd a few times by the OP and have said we need some backup here. Someone else must have played this BGS and have game reports to check. I have asked the OP to tell me from his MG report his balance when the freespins began and immediately after. As Choppers agrees, the 10 freespin is really screwed, as clearly it should be $2, i.e. 1$ x2 both.
We need to check all MG 243-line slot reports where a large win consisting of several 3.4.5 line awards has landed. If there is a problem restricted to BGS then it is still as negligent and misrepresentative as the rigged software scandal.

 

[HIGHIQ]

if i offened anyone sorry for this... for me its just my reaction when someone has said something in my opinion it refelct as i say alot times lol...

as for ladbrokes... they have let me know this morning .. they have answer from mg and telling me the amount is correctly that is reflecting...ofcourse they have put there a attachment that i have no single clue ...cos it is over the lengthe i have to scroll and written that i cant see it how or what it means...

i thank everyone for the input who has help me...and as for in future use i try just here to read instead of posting.. as for me try to be as a family here which has probaly not worked out for me..

wish all the best to every fellow player with alot of joys and wins..

 

[The Dude]

You aren't "offending" people, you are just coming across rude. That's different.

If someone is giving you advice (which you asked for), and you respond with a LOL - you're being a jerk. You might get away with this with your best buddy, but in this environment you don't know these people that well.

 

[HIGHIQ]

You aren't "offending" people, you are just coming across rude. That's different.

If someone is giving you advice (which you asked for), and you respond with a LOL - you're being a jerk. You might get away with this with your best buddy, but in this environment you don't know these people that well.

thats exactly u taking word out of my mouth... that is how i feel... as i reading here on and off for years i know the people thats why i think i know them longer which i never had post and they dont know me...

 

[HIGHIQ]

I have put all screenshot that involved a pay...

hi people .. i got reply this morning they say it is correct what they have paid me.. here are the screenshot placed in one page that is showing the pays... of this freespin mode from begin to end... and lets do the calculation or they have paid me right or not... MG comfirmed they are right with this pay .. that makes me even scratch harder back on my head... i just cant leave here with this resolved for all my fellow players.. maybe iam wrong... but certainly not dumb.. ok here they are...





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ok now lets do the calculations... first screenshot spin one gives a pay of 3 plains..................... 15 usd

screenshot two gives a pay of 3kind of k and j worth total ............................................1.70 usd

screenshot 10 gives 4 kind of tens altho they say one line its two lines worth.....................2 usd

screenshot 11 gives a pay of 3 of kind character ...........................................................2.50 usd

now the main page i go for the most less in case the double wild counts as a single line
with no multiplier if there is more double split in the single line altho they can make
single wild instead of split wild.. as i thought when split wild comes in every reel
it will simply multiplied.. let in this case as just multplied as once.....ok here it comes

i line of character worth 20usd with double split its ........................................................40usd

5kind of aces is worth ...............................................................................................8 usd

7 lines of aces with double split its gving 7x16 is worth ....................................................112 usd

and final the 4 kind of tens which there is 4 lines with double split gives .................................8usd


lets count up all these amount and see it is outcome of 168,70 usd............i got this..................189.20 usd

??? this is the most less i should get paid if this is the real spin as it showed.. ofcourse as those double split in each reel function as double multiplier it should be way more...

ladbrokes tells me becos MG tells them its correct.. now let see or let them explain what is correct? maybe if i was blind they could be correct.. i see is what i see ... this is a weird for me .. so fellow players u are warned ..even they can make mistake even after they reviewed it.. i have it on black and white and in colour...

 

[1366613]

Here there is my screenshot in the same step:

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And Im still waiting an answer from support, couse I cant check the paycheck to see the last symbol.

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[HIGHIQ]

i have made a calculation of your screenshot ..

u can find it on this page

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/winner-screenshots.4193/

page 2584

i will copy the text here again...

then this pay is certainly wrong aswell.. here is a calculation with out the A and the Tyrol as u say

i have make a calculation based on a bet of 0,90 cent... what is visible.. without the 4th reel lowest box and 5th reel middle box ( probaly an A).. with all those wilds ofcourse there wil be a win.. what i can see on the 4th lowest box there i see 2 eyes probaly ( Tyrol as said).. so its a face of a guy... it should give a pay too...

ok here i make the calculation for u,, maybe u can post a reply on that on my post u can find it in my profile....

4 lines x 5 of kind of the captain saul...a 6 usd per line is 24usd x2(double split) = 48 usd

8lines of 4 of kind woman is 90 cent per line 0.90 per line 7,20x2 (double split) = 14.40

12 lines of 4 of kind Q a. 0.45 cent per line 5,40x2 ( double split) = 10.80

8lines of 5 of kind of 10s 1,20 per line 9.60x2(double split) = 19.20

8lines of 4 of kind of J's per line is 0.45 cent per line 3.60x2( double split) = 7.20

those amount together gives already of amount of 99.60 usd it already not match as it say 99.30 ..

this is with out the 4th reel lowest box and 5th middle box...

i have filled twice a PAB,its been rejected cos Max said my english is confusing and not understable.

tomorow i will ask here on forum who can fill the PAB for me in with understable english

 

[KasinoKing]

sorry guys spin 12 is here the correct one somehow it went wrong my mistake my apologise once again..

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Just looking at this again before going to London tomorrow...
We REALLY need to see the rest of the PlayCheck page for Spin 12 - something looks really odd there.
Did you ever manage to get a screenshot of what is below the part shown above?

Something else odd too: I just tried to look at the game's rules (the ? top left) - but I can't access them. I keep getting a general lobby help page.
Can anyone else see the rules?

KK

 

[Osloking]

Just looking at this again before going to London tomorrow...
KK

Could you also please reply the msg i sent few days ago?

 

[HIGHIQ]

Just looking at this again before going to London tomorrow...
We REALLY need to see the rest of the PlayCheck page for Spin 12 - something looks really odd there.
Did you ever manage to get a screenshot of what is below the part shown above?

Something else odd too: I just tried to look at the game's rules (the ? top left) - but I can't access them. I keep getting a general lobby help page.
Can anyone else see the rules?

KK

hi KK,

as what u see is what i see....

as u can see i am not hiding anything... u can see the scroll bar at the right side there is nothing much i can scroll down..

if u take some time so see the screenshots.. and re calculate.. u can see iam telling the right thing here...

also another player placed yesterday a screenshot with a nice win on the winner screenshot thread ... i asked him to move that screenshot to my thread aswell...and i have re-calculated for him on that one single spin...and u can see there are even two symbols on the 4th lowest reel and 5th reel middle one NOT added into my calculation..gives already a short of 0.30 cent..also he cant find anything at the session about this slot...i believe he had a screenshot of that aswell .. its on page 8 under

imagine how much they are paying less to all the players who get this freespin mode... this fightfreespin mode is also the easiest to hit ...

 

[dunover]

Just looking at this again before going to London tomorrow...
We REALLY need to see the rest of the PlayCheck page for Spin 12 - something looks really odd there.
Did you ever manage to get a screenshot of what is below the part shown above?

Something else odd too: I just tried to look at the game's rules (the ? top left) - but I can't access them. I keep getting a general lobby help page.
Can anyone else see the rules?

KK

I have seen the rules as they were on a link somewhere I'll see if I can find it. That's what I said; the screenwin report seems lacking here. Reverse engineering the prize remember I stated 168 win with a previous 70c win, but he posted reports to show that was not the case, and he had had smaller wins previously in the bonus round.

Try this:

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

 

[Nifty29]

Thankyou KK for taking this issue to the ICE.

IMO the OP should have PABed well before now, as there isn't a lot that can be achieved by going over and over it in the forums. Its certainly what I would have done, and I'm certain someone here would have helped with the language.

It appears there are two possibilities.

1. The slot is underpaying. I can't believe it made it through testing if that's the case, but atm there is no concrete proof to refute this assessment.

2. There is confusion about exactly how the split wilds function, as all the problems seem to involve them. Someone from MGS needs to chime in to explain it thoroughly. I won't hold my breath.

Let's hope it is cleared up either way.

 

[HIGHIQ]

Thankyou KK for taking this issue to the ICE.

IMO the OP should have PABed well before now, as there isn't a lot that can be achieved by going over and over it in the forums. Its certainly what I would have done, and I'm certain someone here would have helped with the language.

It appears there are two possibilities.

1. The slot is underpaying. I can't believe it made it through testing if that's the case, but atm there is no concrete proof to refute this assessment.

2. There is confusion about exactly how the split wilds function, as all the problems seem to involve them. Someone from MGS needs to chime in to explain it thoroughly. I won't hold my breath.

Let's hope it is cleared up either way.

even if i calculate the double split as just one doubled prize (more double split in single line) its not correct.. u can see it on my post with all those paying spins in that freespinmode where i have showed on screenshots ..i have some other small pays on previously spins in the same bonusround aswell.. all together its not matching...

 

[KasinoKing]

It appears there are two possibilities.

1. The slot is underpaying. I can't believe it made it through testing if that's the case, but atm there is no concrete proof to refute this assessment.

2. There is confusion about exactly how the split wilds function, as all the problems seem to involve them. Someone from MGS needs to chime in to explain it thoroughly. I won't hold my breath.

Let's hope it is cleared up either way.

I've been looking at this in a lot more detail tonight (sorry - been too busy before!) and there still seems to be something amiss.
HIGHIQ won $5.20 on the spins BEFORE spin 12, so the total of $153.70 means spin 12 must have given him $148.50
I created an Excel spreadsheet to generate each of the 243 different win-lines and then calculated the wins.

Part of the problem depends on how exactly the player interprets the rules:

Multiple winning combinations are paid out per pay way. If there is more than one winning combination for different symbols on a pay way, you are paid out for each combination. If there is more than one winning combination for the same symbol on a pay way, you are paid out the value of the highest combination only.

If winning symbol combinations are displayed on multiple pay ways, you are paid out for each combination.

If one assumes a "pay way" means the same as "win-line", then the slot should pay out for symbol combinations on each of the 243 lines separately, then add them all together to make a total.
Using my spreadsheet, I calculate he should have been paid $332 for spin 12.
These are all the winning combinations by line-number. (M = Man - I don't know his bloody name! )

Ln	R1	R2	R3	R4	R5	Win	Pays	Double?	Total
1	M	W	W	A	Q	3xM	250	Yes	500
2	M	W	W	A	M	3xM	250	Yes	500
3	M	W	W	A	A	3xM	250	Yes	500
4	M	W	W	W	Q	4xM	400	Yes	800
5	M	W	W	W	M	5xM	2000	Yes	4000
6	M	W	W	W	A	4xM	400	Yes	800
7	M	W	W	J	Q	3xM	250	Yes	500
8	M	W	W	J	M	3xM	250	Yes	500
9	M	W	W	J	A	3xM	250	Yes	500
82	A	W	W	A	Q	Ax4	200	Yes	400
83	A	W	W	A	M	Ax4	200	Yes	400
84	A	W	W	A	A	Ax5	800	Yes	1600
85	A	W	W	W	Q	Ax4	200	Yes	400
86	A	W	W	W	M	Ax4	200	Yes	400
87	A	W	W	W	A	Ax5	800	Yes	1600
88	A	W	W	J	Q	Ax3	100	Yes	200
89	A	W	W	J	M	Ax3	100	Yes	200
90	A	W	W	J	A	Ax3	100	Yes	200
91	A	W	A	A	Q	Ax4	200	Yes	400
92	A	W	A	A	M	Ax4	200	Yes	400
93	A	W	A	A	A	Ax5	800	Yes	1600
94	A	W	A	W	Q	Ax4	200	Yes	400
95	A	W	A	W	M	Ax4	200	Yes	400
96	A	W	A	W	A	Ax5	800	Yes	1600
97	A	W	A	J	Q	Ax3	100	Yes	200
98	A	W	A	J	M	Ax3	100	Yes	200
99	A	W	A	J	A	Ax3	100	Yes	200
109	A	A	W	A	Q	Ax4	200	Yes	400
110	A	A	W	A	M	Ax4	200	Yes	400
111	A	A	W	A	A	Ax5	800	Yes	1600
112	A	A	W	W	Q	Ax4	200	Yes	400
113	A	A	W	W	M	Ax4	200	Yes	400
114	A	A	W	W	A	Ax5	800	Yes	1600
115	A	A	W	J	Q	Ax3	100	Yes	200
116	A	A	W	J	M	Ax3	100	Yes	200
117	A	A	W	J	A	Ax3	100	Yes	200
118	A	A	A	A	Q	Ax4	200		200
119	A	A	A	A	M	Ax4	200		200
120	A	A	A	A	A	Ax5	800		800
121	A	A	A	W	Q	Ax4	200	Yes	400
122	A	A	A	W	M	Ax4	200	Yes	400
123	A	A	A	W	A	Ax5	800	Yes	1600
124	A	A	A	J	Q	Ax3	100		100
125	A	A	A	J	M	Ax3	100		100
126	A	A	A	J	A	Ax3	100		100
163	10	W	W	A	Q	3x10	50	Yes	100
164	10	W	W	A	M	3x10	50	Yes	100
165	10	W	W	A	A	3x10	50	Yes	100
166	10	W	W	W	Q	4x10	100	Yes	200
167	10	W	W	W	M	4x10	100	Yes	200
168	10	W	W	W	A	4x10	100	Yes	200
169	10	W	W	J	Q	3x10	50	Yes	100
170	10	W	W	J	M	3x10	50	Yes	100
171	10	W	W	J	A	3x10	50	Yes	100
181	10	W	10	A	Q	3x10	50	Yes	100
182	10	W	10	A	M	3x10	50	Yes	100
183	10	W	10	A	A	3x10	50	Yes	100
184	10	W	10	W	Q	4x10	100	Yes	200
185	10	W	10	W	M	4x10	100	Yes	200
186	10	W	10	W	A	4x10	100	Yes	200
187	10	W	10	J	Q	3x10	50	Yes	100
188	10	W	10	J	M	3x10	50	Yes	100
189	10	W	10	J	A	3x10	50	Yes	100
217	10	10	W	A	Q	3x10	50	Yes	100
218	10	10	W	A	M	3x10	50	Yes	100
219	10	10	W	A	A	3x10	50	Yes	100
220	10	10	W	W	Q	4x10	100	Yes	200
221	10	10	W	W	M	4x10	100	Yes	200
222	10	10	W	W	A	4x10	100	Yes	200
223	10	10	W	J	Q	3x10	50	Yes	100
224	10	10	W	J	M	3x10	50	Yes	100
225	10	10	W	J	A	3x10	50	Yes	100
235	10	10	10	A	Q	3x10	50		50
236	10	10	10	A	M	3x10	50		50
237	10	10	10	A	A	3x10	50		50
238	10	10	10	W	Q	4x10	100	Yes	200
239	10	10	10	W	M	4x10	100	Yes	200
240	10	10	10	W	A	4x10	100	Yes	200
241	10	10	10	J	Q	3x10	50		50
242	10	10	10	J	M	3x10	50		50
243	10	10	10	J	A	3x10	50		50

However, on the actual pay-table you will find this rule:



Now I think it's pretty unlikely, but this COULD be taken to mean that you can only count the same 3, 4 or 5 symbols once each.
e.g. Above the first 3 wins are:
1. M W W A Q
2. M W W A M
3. M W W A A
This rule COULD mean you only get paid for one of these combinations, because the M W W are the same 3 symbols in each line.
If that was the case, my spreadsheet would look like this:

Ln	R1	R2	R3	R4	R5	Win	Pays	Double?	Total
1	M	W	W	A	Q	3xM	250	Yes	500
4	M	W	W	W	Q	4xM	400	Yes	800
5	M	W	W	W	M	5xM	2000	Yes	4000
82	A	W	W	A	Q	Ax4	200	Yes	400
85	A	W	W	W	Q	Ax4	200	Yes	400
87	A	W	W	W	A	Ax5	800	Yes	1600
88	A	W	W	J	Q	Ax3	100	Yes	200
91	A	W	A	A	Q	Ax4	200	Yes	400
93	A	W	A	A	A	Ax5	800	Yes	1600
94	A	W	A	W	Q	Ax4	200	Yes	400
96	A	W	A	W	A	Ax5	800	Yes	1600
97	A	W	A	J	Q	Ax3	100	Yes	200
109	A	A	W	A	Q	Ax4	200	Yes	400
111	A	A	W	A	A	Ax5	800	Yes	1600
112	A	A	W	W	Q	Ax4	200	Yes	400
114	A	A	W	W	A	Ax5	800	Yes	1600
115	A	A	W	J	Q	Ax3	100	Yes	200
118	A	A	A	A	Q	Ax4	200		200
120	A	A	A	A	A	Ax5	800		800
121	A	A	A	W	Q	Ax4	200	Yes	400
123	A	A	A	W	A	Ax5	800	Yes	1600
124	A	A	A	J	Q	Ax3	100		100
163	10	W	W	A	Q	3x10	50	Yes	100
166	10	W	W	W	Q	4x10	100	Yes	200
181	10	W	10	A	Q	3x10	50	Yes	100
184	10	W	10	W	Q	4x10	100	Yes	200
217	10	10	W	A	Q	3x10	50	Yes	100
220	10	10	W	W	Q	4x10	100	Yes	200
235	10	10	10	A	Q	3x10	50		50
238	10	10	10	W	Q	4x10	100	Yes	200

But now the total is $205.50 = still higher than what was paid.

I think this is a really serious issue which needs a proper & thorough investigation, which is why I advised HIGHIQ to PAB last week.
Unless... I have made an error in my calculations. If anyone can spot an obvious mistake - please shout!

KK

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Excellent analysis KK, thanks for your time on this

 

[Nifty29]

I'm not passing off my opinion as fact here.....this is just my "feeling" if you will.

IMO this will come down to poor paytable explanation, and hence poor understanding, of the way split wilds work, and how the "highest win per line" is applied.

Of course, I could be wrong, and will be right behind all calls to refund all players who played this game since it's inception if I am.

HIGHIQ.....I wouldn't be relying on forum members or even CM to solve your personal issue. You really need to submit a PAB so it can all be done in writing and officially. It will almost certainly have to be analyzed by the software engineers/IT crowd, who may not even be at the ICE. All KK et al can do it bring your issue to light, so that it can be marked "urgent" by people higher up in the operation.....but in the absence of any formal complaint from you, I can't see it being dealt with properly, at least on a personal basis for you.

I cannot stress enough how important it is to submit the PAB ASAP (IMO) SVP. OK?

 

[HIGHIQ]

I'm not passing off my opinion as fact here.....this is just my "feeling" if you will.

IMO this will come down to poor paytable explanation, and hence poor understanding, of the way split wilds work, and how the "highest win per line" is applied.

Of course, I could be wrong, and will be right behind all calls to refund all players who played this game since it's inception if I am.

HIGHIQ.....I wouldn't be relying on forum members or even CM to solve your personal issue. You really need to submit a PAB so it can all be done in writing and officially. It will almost certainly have to be analyzed by the software engineers/IT crowd, who may not even be at the ICE. All KK et al can do it bring your issue to light, so that it can be marked "urgent" by people higher up in the operation.....but in the absence of any formal complaint from you, I can't see it being dealt with properly, at least on a personal basis for you.

I cannot stress enough how important it is to submit the PAB ASAP (IMO) SVP. OK?

i have done a pab twice last two weeks Maxd has rejected twice cos my english was poor in case details... today i asked a fellow dutch man to translate for me.. i hope this time max understand little what i want... ofcourse he has to read this thread with alot of attention and also know the slotmachine little aswell..

this all together he will get a better view what is wrong here..

 

[KasinoKing]

I'm not passing off my opinion as fact here.....this is just my "feeling" if you will.

IMO this will come down to poor paytable explanation, and hence poor understanding, of the way split wilds work, and how the "highest win per line" is applied.

Of course, I could be wrong, and will be right behind all calls to refund all players who played this game since it's inception if I am.

It's very hard to see how it could be anything other than a programming error. I tried various ways of eliminating some of the wins, or not doubling some, but I still couldn't get the payout to match what HIGHIQ got.

The slot is described as 243 Ways - I don't see how that can mean anything other than 243 separate win-lines.
The rules clearly state "A Spilt Wild symbol, doubles the payout of any combination it completes as a wild symbol"
Seems pretty clear to me that there is something wrong with this game and it is likely to have underpaid the 1000s of people who have played it - including me!

The only thing I don't understand is why HIGHIQ can not see the full PlayCheck result for spin 12.
@ HIGHIQ: PLEASE can you go back and check this again?
If it doesn't show in the flash version, can you try accessing it through the download version too?

KK

 

[maphesto]

The slot is described as 243 Ways - I don't see how that can mean anything other than 243 separate win-lines.
The rules clearly state "A Spilt Wild symbol, doubles the payout of any combination it completes as a wild symbol"
Seems pretty clear to me that there is something wrong with this game and it is likely to have underpaid the 1000s of people who have played it - including me!

I'm with you here.

I'm not passing off my opinion as fact here.....this is just my "feeling" if you will.

You are probably blind because it's Microgaming. They usually don't make mistakes like this, and that's why you have this feeling. KK has made it pretty clear now. The machine is not ok, something is really wrong.

I have played the game, but didn't like it. Something with it pissed me off early, can't put words to what it was but I don't feel that they have underpaid me more than a couple of cents.

 

[HIGHIQ]

kk

i just went to check at download version i find the session... but it dont show me nothing not let me into watch... also i went back to my flash its same .. i cant enter nomore....??!?!?!?!?

 

[Nifty29]

I'm with you here.



You are probably blind because it's Microgaming. They usually don't make mistakes like this, and that's why you have this feeling. KK has made it pretty clear now. The machine is not ok, something is really wrong.

I have played the game, but didn't like it. Something with it pissed me off early, can't put words to what it was but I don't feel that they have underpaid me more than a couple of cents.

Blind? What is that supposed to mean?

I was just presenting other possibilities....thats all. It is VERY uncommon for a slot made by big suppliers to be underpaying players, especially to the tune of what has been discussed.

The only reason I'm not jumping on the " its gaffed" train is that even everyone here can't agree on what it should be.....even KK came up with two figures. Hence, there is obviously a lack of understanding about how exactly the split wilds work, and that leaves open the possibility that we are ALL wrong.

What I WILL say is that, for me, its going to take more than some casino rep posting "our guys tell us its right. Case closed". A game specialist needs to be sent here by MGS to explain precisely how it works, lest it appear that they are trying to cover up to avoid huge refunds. I'm not saying that would even be the case, but it could certainly lead one to believe it to be true.

Perhaps Bryan can persuade mgs to make it happen. It might be good PR too, and a chance to cash in on the current woes of their competitor.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

It says something about the opaque design of the slot and the uselessness of the pay table when several CM regulars can't agree on something that should be as fundamental and basic as what a single given combination of the reels should pay.

KK's been working this stuff out for years and even he can't get the numbers to tally.

Even if the slot is actually functioning as intended, MG have failed at designing and explaining it properly.

 

[Slotster!]

FWIW, I had one session on this a few weeks back.

I HAD ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON AT ALL WITH ANY OF IT.

Watched a few things whizz about the screen for bit, won a bit somehow - closed it down and haven't been back since.

Will be interesting to see what the outcome of this particular case is, thanks everyone for your input and frightening determination with numbers - you're all nuts!

 

[HIGHIQ]

another player who has post his win on this slot with those double wilds.. last night he sended me his payout he got from 32red play history..it was requested by the support.. cos he cant enter the session him self..



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OVERVIEW
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Game ....................... Feature Slot - Battlestar Galactica
Date Game Started .......... 02 Feb 2013 23:59:52
Date Game Finished ......... 02 Feb 2013 23:59:52

Coins Bet per Pay Line ..... 3
Coin Size (cents) .......... 1
Number of Active Paylines .. n/a
Slot Wager ................. 0.90 credits

Initial Spin Payout ........ 99.30 credits
Extra Payout ............... 0.00 credits
Free Spin Payout ........... 0.00 credits
Bonus Payout ............... 0.00 credits
Gamble Payout .............. 0.00 credits
Progressive Payout ......... 0.00 credits
Mystery Payout ............. 0.00 credits

Total Payout ............... 99.30 credits

Free Spins Played .......... 0
Bonus Games Played ......... 0
Gambles Played ............. 0
Progressive Wins ........... 0

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GAME DETAIL
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--- Event 1: Spin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Wild Ten Wild Jack Colonel Tigh
Queen Jack Queen King Ace
Ellen King Ellen Tyrol Ten

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Match Payline Multipliers FS Multiplier WinInCoins WinInCredits
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4 x King and Wild n/a - - 60 0.60
4 x Jack and Wild n/a - - 45 0.45
3 x Ten and Wild n/a - - 15 0.15
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APL: 1 BPL: 3 CS: 1 1.20
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Post Random wild (Position(s):1,2,13,8)

Match Payline Multipliers FS Multiplier WinInCoins WinInCredits

4 x Wild n/a - - 300 3.00
4 x Wild n/a - - 300 3.00
4 x Wild n/a 2 - 600 6.00
4 x Wild n/a 2 - 600 6.00
5 x Colonel Tigh and Wild n/a - - 600 6.00
5 x Colonel Tigh and Wild n/a - - 600 6.00
5 x Colonel Tigh and Wild n/a 2 - 1200 12.00
5 x Colonel Tigh and Wild n/a 2 - 1200 12.00
4 x Ellen and Wild n/a - - 90 0.90
4 x Ellen and Wild n/a - - 90 0.90
4 x Ellen and Wild n/a 2 - 180 1.80
4 x Ellen and Wild n/a 2 - 180 1.80
4 x Tyrol and Wild n/a 2 - 180 1.80
4 x Tyrol and Wild n/a - - 90 0.90
5 x Ace and Wild n/a 2 - 480 4.80
5 x Ace and Wild n/a 2 - 480 4.80
5 x Ace and Wild n/a - - 240 2.40
5 x Ace and Wild n/a - - 240 2.40
4 x Queen and Wild n/a 2 - 90 0.90
4 x Queen and Wild n/a 2 - 90 0.90
4 x Queen and Wild n/a - - 45 0.45
4 x Queen and Wild n/a - - 45 0.45
4 x Queen and Wild n/a - - 45 0.45
4 x Queen and Wild n/a - - 45 0.45
4 x Queen and Wild n/a - - 45 0.45
4 x Queen and Wild n/a - - 45 0.45
4 x Jack and Wild n/a - - 45 0.45
4 x Jack and Wild n/a - - 45 0.45
4 x Jack and Wild n/a 2 - 90 0.90
4 x Jack and Wild n/a 2 - 90 0.90
5 x Ten and Wild n/a 2 - 240 2.40
5 x Ten and Wild n/a 2 - 240 2.40
5 x Ten and Wild n/a 2 - 240 2.40
5 x Ten and Wild n/a 2 - 240 2.40
5 x Ten and Wild n/a - - 120 1.20
5 x Ten and Wild n/a - - 120 1.20
5 x Ten and Wild n/a - - 120 1.20
5 x Ten and Wild n/a - - 120 1.20
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APL: 1 BPL: 3 CS: 1 98.10
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APL = Number of Active Paylines
BPL = Coins Bet per Payline
CS = Coin Size (cents)

as we can see there are some wins just paid NOT with multiplier double split.. as we also can see each winning combination has a DOUBLE SPLIT in the linewin... how can there just some wins be paid in just the STANDARD PAY????

as we see on the 4th reel is now comfirmed is tyrol... and 5th reel is A on the middle...also i had made earlier a calculation what it should be now i see i not even count the wilds as a winning pay.. which it should be aswell...
my problem has happened at ladbrokes.. but there are more casinos i wager alot of money on it .. 32red is also one of it...

i hope this will get clear soon.. cos i think this is NO good

 

[1366613]

Tyvm HIGHIQ for adding that information. As you said there are more ways that must be paid. They only paid:

5 x Colonel Tigh and Wild n/a - - 600 6.00
5 x Colonel Tigh and Wild n/a - - 600 6.00
5 x Colonel Tigh and Wild n/a 2 - 1200 12.00
5 x Colonel Tigh and Wild n/a 2 - 1200 12.00

And there are more I think

I sent another email to asking about that.

 

[HIGHIQ]

Tyvm HIGHIQ for adding that information. As you said there are more ways that must be paid. They only paid:

5 x Colonel Tigh and Wild n/a - - 600 6.00
5 x Colonel Tigh and Wild n/a - - 600 6.00
5 x Colonel Tigh and Wild n/a 2 - 1200 12.00
5 x Colonel Tigh and Wild n/a 2 - 1200 12.00

And there are more I think

I sent another email to asking about that.

what i can see from screenshot is...

4 lines of 5 of kind of colonel... which is 6 usd per line.. its 24 usd .. so its 6x4=24, since every 5 of kind has a double split on it then its doubled... 24x2= 48 usd !!!!

on their calculation is 6+6+12+12=36 ???????