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[Igor82]

Even now the requirements keep changing. Now the standard documents are no longer enough, screenshots of Neteller transactions and photos of one holding up their documents are becoming more common. There is no way players can prepare in advance for such changes as they don't know in advance what the next requirement will be.

Which is why i stated in the other thread -fraudsters are the cancer. Those requirements aren't directed at you just like airport security screening that is a hairline away from a colonoscopy isn't for your average joe - but we all do it now. Few years back the deceitful weren't as clever and regulation didn't upgrade its regulatory flexibility to curb the increase of risk so every player suffers. You cant blame us for this as much as you cant blame the government for not limiting the airport screening process to people who look a certain 'type'.

 

[Igor82]

...and I couldn't go get one..why? Where I live currently noone has known me for 2 years to vouchsafed the papers, and your partner or family dont count

It's much more shocking to me that you cant do something as basic as TRAVEL because of the bureaucratic red tape! I mean seriously, if some governmental twat told me tomorrow i cant take my annual R&R to Vietnam, Thailand, India because i moved to a new town id kick up a real fuss.

At that point some casino id process would be the least of my concern. It's a infuriating breach of basic human right - to move around this plant as they deem fit. I mean ok for a country to not accept you (not ok, but lets say ok) - but for you OWN country to say meeeh, sorry we don't know you, our dear tax payer (???) so you cant go anywhere? Sit down and shut up. Urgh man it gets me steaming just thinking about it tbh

 

[Nifty29]

Look, we have no national ID card VWM, as you say. The casinos ask for PHOTO ID of which most of us have two. These are of course DL and passport. Now, the first thing most 17 year-olds do is get their driving licence. This will have a photo. It matters not whether they pass a test or not. When since has there been a difference to casinos whether the DL is provisional or has added vehicle categories because you've passed a test? I never realized being able to drive was a necessity to gamble online.

When I was 18 almost everybody I knew had been abroad (requiring a passport) AND had got their provisional DL. Now, excuse me if I'm being judgmental, but if a young adult has not travelled further than their local MacDonalds or shown an interest in vehicular mobility for both social and employment purposes, then really they have better things to achieve than 3 scatters in their lives.

It is not unreasonable for a casino to request a view of either document. It is simple to upload. It's no good bellyaching AFTER you've gambled that you have neither. Now I realize this sometimes occurs because the 1-in-10,000 who have neither photo ID may have gambled and w/d at a site that paid them without asking because they w/d less than a certain amount, and then found they couldn't w/d at the next because that site asked for photo ID and the player assumed (because they never read the T&C's) that it would be the same as their last casino.

This explains why I stated 'idiot proofing bonus spin values' was bad, and I was frowned on by the knee-jerk brigade before they realized what I was trying to say - you will get the SAME scenario as described in the paragraph above, whereby because the player wasn't asked at casino A, they ASSUME the same will apply at casino B. Then they come on here thinking they've been treated unfairly.

IF the worst comes to the worst, get the ID after you win. Instead of bleating on here, go to the post office, go in the photo booth, get you passport application or DL application in next day. They even have an 'idiots counter' in main post offices whereby for a fee of a few pounds, the clerk will fill all the forms in and check them for you - all you do is sling her the payment and the photo and your birth certificate. The passport office and DVLA are quite expedient when it comes to sending the DL or PP back to you. You usually have them in 3-5 days.

So, if you act fast, as soon as you win and they ask for ID, you could have it done and scanned within 7 days, and be paid a 1-4 days after that. A total wait of 7-11 days from being asked for ID. Not bad, when you consider even verified US players routinely wait 10-14 days for cashouts.

So quit moaning, just get the ID (thereafter you're fine for at least 10 years at any casino) and get used to providing it. Any proper casino going by the rules and just general security will ask for it, now, tomorrow and next year.......

Don't waste your time mate.

You won't have any points acknowledged.....it isn't necessary when one knows everything

I mean, you got multiple paragraphs about it taking longer than you said to GET a passport....which just shows that your whole point was missed, or most likely ignored.

VWM really lost it with the "its illegal to require passports for ID" hogwash. He pooped in his own nest in his explanation.....he said its illegal to have to provide a PHYSICAL passport document to be held as SURETY....for the love of God....the casinos ask for a SCAN for starters, you don't have to send it in until your deposit clears LMAO. Honestly. The barrel is well and truly empty when one is contradicting ones own arguments.

Casinos shouldn't have to....and DON'T have to....cater to the tiny number of players who won't obtain proper ID....regardless of what Perry Mason here says.

 

[GrandMaster]

Those who have encountered the request for the first time after exceeding a certain withdrawal threshold have a MINIMUM wait of 6 weeks.

I don't know how long it really takes to get a first passport, but the government's website also claims that renewals take at least 3 weeks, but when I renewed my passport recently I received it on the 10th day after submitting my application form.

 

[dunover]

I don't know how long it really takes to get a first passport, but the government's website also claims that renewals take at least 3 weeks, but when I renewed my passport recently I received it on the 10th day after submitting my application form.

Yeah, that's more civil service 'goalposts' crap. They tell you it will take 3 weeks, then do it in less than one, and then they can report back to their minister how good they are....and how much bonus (no WR) they deserve......

I renewed a DL photocard and had it in 3 days. My last passport was done on a Friday and I received it next Wednesday. Your 10 days was quite slow in my experience.

 

[dunover]

That was why I got it, nothing to do with ID issues. I won a trip in 2006 to the world cup final, and realised straight away that I would need to get my first ever passport.

One issue for UK players is that they have been happily playing away for years, and have never been asked for this level of documentation. This idea of casinos being so narrow with their requirements is pretty recent. Depositing via Neteller used to mean not having to send a separate set of documents to the casino at all, they did KYC from the fact that Neteller had done it and passed you.

"UK players have been happily playing away for years without getting asked for ID" Where on earth does that come from? Firstly, that could only occur if the UK player played at sites with the 3k rule, and quit and moved on before they hit the 3k w/d barrier. Secondly, as most casinos ask for it, you can't have played at many sites!

Many UK players are suddenly finding that after years without problems, they are suddenly faced with these requirements. It is not the case that they realised from the start that they had better get hold of certain documents in order to make life easy for them.

Even now the requirements keep changing. Now the standard documents are no longer enough, screenshots of Neteller transactions and photos of one holding up their documents are becoming more common. There is no way players can prepare in advance for such changes as they don't know in advance what the next requirement will be.

Supporting documents can be even harder to get hold of. Casinos still believe that no one but the head of a traditional household gambles online. It is the head of household that tends to get the supporting documents such as utility bills. Even these now come via email rather than the post, and often the only way to get something posted to you is to NOT pay a bill on time or break some minor law. Such actions WILL result in a letter being posted out in most cases.

What nonsense. You can, even if you pay a token fee, ALWAYS get a paper bill from any firm you deal with. Very few companies enforce online billing exclusively unless it's a specific online deal with lower costs. They can't.

For example, the council tax bill is always posted, but only once per year. By the end of July it is no longer useful for casino ID. To trigger the council to send another council tax bill one has to miss a payment, and this will trigger what is needed, and this will then last a further 3 months. Water bills can be worked via a similar ruse to generate additional bills that are dated within 3 months.

So you are suggesting defaulting on a bill is the only way to get a statement? Ever tried ringing the council up and getting a statement-to-date? Easy and FOC.

Many rent their accommodation, so don't get these bills in any case, they go to the landlord. They only get letters from the tax office in their name, but these come once a year.

That's a total contradiction. To get a rented property, you would usually have to provide bank references/statements, ID and other stuff which would be sufficient for casino verification. You are digging deeper and deeper here....

It can be a serious effort just setting things up so that the right letters are available to scan and send to casinos. It can also be a significant barrier to joining a new casino as loyal players are not generally asked for documents every 3 months in order to continue playing. If players were to appreciate these requirements as much as they ought, I expect new signups would drop, but loyalty might increase.

What, so a player would love a casino that didn't request ID too often compared to one that offered better games, better bonuses and payouts? Pull the other one.

Funny that. We got my daughters passport in 9 days, her FIRST one! The 6-weeks stuff is bollocks, and is just a blanket goalpost for when the passport office has to consult the home office and check immigration/nationality databases before issuing them. They can hardly put on the website "Anglo Saxons born and bred here will wait 1 week, however if you are an African immigrant it can take 6 weeks" can they? Use your imagination VWM!

So VWM, it would seem you whole campaign is to assist players born between 23-25th. of the month when the temperature was between 14 and 16C, with green eyes, no 'R' in their Christian name, who think 'transport' is owning a pedal cycle and 'abroad' is a Norfolk wetland, who think ' a bank' has a river running past it and 'Wanking' is a Chinese province right??

 

[vinylweatherman]

Just as an aside, I've had issues with my photo Id not being accepted at a couple places( the vast majority of places, no issue) and so I hear ' wel, just get such and such' id and it isn't always that easy. Here's an example..age of majority..cant get it, im too old, drivers license, I CAN'T drive, and no, smart bums, aint a DUI, its medical, get a passport..ok, tried that this past week..like igor says, just cave, go get it save the future headache, so went to go get it( and no, not everyone has a passport, I've been around the world, they do expire or get destroyed)...and I couldn't go get one..why? Where I live currently noone has known me for 2 years to vouchsafed the papers, and your partner or family dont count

Despite my detractors, this is one of the 28 people in the UK that CANNOT just get off their sorry ass and get what is required.

It's not that we don't have "papers", we have plenty. It's just that they are uniquely British, and not like everyone else's.

The main problem though is that it's not just about not being able to prove your ID to get it, but not being able to get OUT once already in.