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[Rusty]

OK this is getting tiresome.
My last five deposits have gone the same way at MG Casinos
I am consistently getting less than 50% payouts on slots and my last 4 sessions on halloweenies and twister have yielded less than 40% payout.

My last two sessions have gone like this;

Twister took me over 600 spins to trigger the free spins and I never hit 5 of a kind once,
payout 36%

Halloweenies in my first 26 spins at 9 lines I hit 1 win line * 1/2 bet and hit 6 wins in my first 55 spins.I triggered the freespins at around 100 spins which yielded less 7* bet size.
payout 32%

I am often going 20 spins without a winline of any sort and this has been going on solid for the last 3 Days.

These are low variance slots as well.

My odds of winning the lottery would probably be better than the odds of consistently returning these returns.

I have had some shitty runs before but this is getting silly.
How is everyone else doing lately at MG especially Ladbrokes?

Time for another break I know....rant over

 

[tim5ny]

Same here! It's not the same as it was a couple years ago. I've proved that to myself through many, many, deposits this year. I was thinking that there might be something in the software to restrict good payouts just to us Americans, but I see that theory's wrong because you're from the UK.

 

[hobobiker]

OK this is getting tiresome.
My last five deposits have gone the same way at MG Casinos
I am consistently getting less than 50% payouts on slots and my last 4 sessions on halloweenies and twister have yielded less than 40% payout.

My last two sessions have gone like this;

Twister took me over 600 spins to trigger the free spins and I never hit 5 of a kind once,
payout 36%

payout 32%

I am often going 20 spins without a winline of any sort and this has been going on solid for the last 3 Days.

These are low variance slots as well.

Rusty mate 600 spins and a 36% return ...i aint never had returns like that on 600 spins .....you sure those figures are right? because im the biggest complainer and moaner to the casino if my RTP% are low ....but i would call 70% low on anythin over 500-1000 spins and ive played online off and on for years in fact with MG casinos for at least 5-6 years ....ive wagered a lot (a real lot) on slots , but ive never seen RTP% figures like those .....if they are right i would be banging on their door demaning an explanation .....30 odd % return????? have you complained to the casino or got the figures to hand to show em and compare with theirs. ?

 

[hobobiker]

payout 32%

have you done your figures right ?? cos honestly ive never seen a slot payout those odds on that number of spins.

 

[oldandboring40]

same here

three days of sh...t. moonshine bonus 4 spins 6 dollars....prime 1 spin nothing...hitman why even bother. am on vacation and was looking forward to gambling while looking at the ocean. now im just looking at the ocean. was playing trident.

 

[tim5ny]

am on vacation and was looking forward to gambling while looking at the ocean. now im just looking at the ocean.

That line made me laugh!

 

[Rusty]

three days of sh...t. moonshine bonus 4 spins 6 dollars....prime 1 spin nothing...hitman why even bother. am on vacation and was looking forward to gambling while looking at the ocean. now im just looking at the ocean. was playing trident.

That is a sentence I never expected to read in my lifetime :notworthy

 

[oldandboring40]

almost time to wake the wife up

the last hour has been better. back to back bonus on the elf game.

 

[Rusty]

Nice work there, now cash out sharpish!

Ok Just had a look at my playcheck and the 35% figure is not correct it is more like 55% but the halloweenies figure is correct although I gave up after around 120 spins which is a very small sample.The not hitting 5 of a kind is correct though.
I finally hit the feature on Twister last night by the way and got 3 retriggers but I still only won 50* bet (still no 5 of a kind!)
Never mind at least I had some fun this time for my money, thats all I ask.

 

[KasinoKing]

Can't really offer any comfort - bad runs do happen even with random games.
I haven't played much MG recently - only Loaded at Laddies.

Seeing oldandboring's screenie reminded me I played Mad Hatters last night (one I very rarely go near). Got the free-spins on just my second go and I knew I should have stopped right there. Then my return would have been something like 6000%! But I carried on and of course it died & I lost a packet.
Don't know the % as I'm on a different PC now, but I bet it's very poor.

Hope your luck (and everyone else's) improves soon!

KK

 

[Zoozie]

ve gone like this;
Twister took me over 600 spins to trigger the free spins and I never hit 5 of a kind once, payout 36%

36% over 600 spins is extremely bad. I could not reproduce this with 10000 simulations at Thunderstruck(each doing 600 spins, 9 lines). However 60% payout was possible. If there was no feature on Thunderstruck payout% would be 70.3% so if you do not hit the feature your expected payout is around 70%. But of course Twister is not Thunderstruck, but the variance is lower meaning it should be even harder to get that result.

So if you started with 600$ and did 1$ spins, then with 36% payout and after 600 spins you would only have 216$ left. Was it really this bad?

Zoozie

 

[tim5ny]

Zoozie! You're a numbers-crunching madman! Always amazing to me.

 

[mikepipe]

So if you started with 600$ and did 1$ spins, then with 36% payout and after 600 spins you would only have 216$ left. Was it really this bad?

Zoozie

For me its even worse!
I know, its only a feeling, but i have it too...
Although having presented some nice winner shots i have horrible dry spells, and after such a spell i am always pretty sure , MG needs to get the development costs for hitman back - maybe for the next slots too?

 

[tim5ny]

For me its even worse!
Although having presented some nice winner shots

"Winner's" screenshots can be sooo deceiving at times! I still love em though!

 

[Rusty]

I know what you are saying KK figures can be cherry picked to show what one wants and obviously the smaller the sample thee more the variance.
However for a low variance slot to pay out less than 50% and no feature in around 700 spins is a bit of an anomaly.(just rechecked playcheck)
I am not going to post playcheck here but anybody who wants them PM me and I will gladly send them to you.

I have had mini winning sessions at times but as always these turn suddenly with very poor returns (<50% for many hundreds of spins various slots)

Mikepipe/Tim5ny what slots are you playing and are you having any connection problems?

Who knows maybe such bad returns prove, conversely, that they are random
but I wo'nt be playing on to find out

 

[vinylweatherman]

I have had similar spells too, including a recent very dry spell over several deposits at several different casinos. It seems the scatters are just not on the reels anymore, I kept getting only one every now and then, hardly ever a pair. Normally, pairs of scatters hit frequently, leading to bonus rounds every 100 spins or less.

I played a very long spell with Thunderstruck last Thursday at only 0.18 bet size in the tournament. At first, my balance lifted from around 340 to around 460, the 460 from a fantastic 90+ bonus round (0.18 bet). At this point, the "off switch kicked in", and in around 4000 to 5000 spins at 0.18p my entire balance of 460 was wiped out to zero! This really does not seem "random", rather an AWP like response to the ridiculously good bouns round that preceeded it.

Later, I took the tournament with a further 100 deposit, and driving it up to 200 by upping the bet to 0.45 per spin.

Seems the variance on these slots is more than it should be for random spins.
How many simulations does it take to lose 460 in 5000 spins at 0.18?

It seems there is definitely a point where things turn really nasty at MG, and this can often be as soon as you start, as well as after winning. When MG games are hitting well, it seems they consistently pay more than they should.
Today, Munchkins at 0.45 per spin. Over 5600 spins or so, my bankroll has steadily risen from 360 to around 700, where it appears to be stabilising with a view to flicking the switch. The peak was just shy of 800. My other participating accounts zeroed out a long time ago, for a total loss of around 200, but I got this out of UK Casino Club with a short spell at 3.75 per spin.

This could just be high variance, but it seems that these extreme results are just too common, and the frequency does not seem to be supported by the maths.

 

[AudiManinBoro]

Maybe there is some sort of collusion that goes on between al Mg member casinos? Its just a thought so no one jump down my throat lol I went through a patch like that rusty not so long ago at Spin palace and it seemed at every other casino i played at at the time as well, although im hardly a member of them all. Is it possible that some other mg casino(s) at this time where playing well while others were doing so bad? Maybe they take turns? Pure supposition here of course but how is anyone to ever really know?

Unfortunately Rusty if your stuck on one of those cycles, they last a good couple of weeks (at least for me it would always seem)so i would limit your play at the moment and wait for the bad cycle to end.

At the time i was very angry with spin palace but sooner rather than later realised that it wasnt just this casino and my anger with them was misplaced. Out of all the mg casinos im a member of I have to rate spin palace as the highest, a truly great casino in my opinion and yes they do have bad spells, some realy long, but its also the only casino to me that has ever paid out anything really significant, again for me and this out of about 15. I also have to say that at the moment, Spin Palace is playing very well, so you may want to try your luck there. If that fails, take a breather.

 

[vinylweatherman]

I have had the most incredible luck at Spin Palace, and it one of only two casinos where I am ahead by a five figure sum. Much of this has been due to consistent flukes, such as an 8000 RF on single line VP from only three held, PAT 4 Aces on Aces and Faces (1600), and numerous other big rescue hits.

Sadly, this is an exception, and the rule is that most casinos show a loss of varying degrees, but there is always the chance of another big hit, such as PAT 4 Aces on multiline All Aces, or PAT 4 Deuces on one of the Deuces wild games.
Another 5 scatters or even 5 wilds on a slot would help, and maybe a progressive jackpot.

In the mean time, a diet of tournaments and bonuses keeps me afloat.

 

[Zoozie]

I did 17306 simulations each of 600 spins at 9-line Thunderstruck and flatbetting. And this time I did sort the data and plot them. There are actually a very few below 50% payout with the lowest at only 42.87%. So 36% is still really unlikely and looks like I need 1M++ simulation to hit one of those.

But this is the worst 10 of of the 17306 simulation

42.87%
43.43%
44.16%
44.35%
44.76%
44.85%
45.26%
45.78%
46.04%
46.19%

The best 10 was:

275.73%
276.5%
287.2%
288.42%
292.15%
332.63%
336.94%
376%
401.35%
417.4%
762.04%

And here is the plot. I removed the 762.04% from the plot so it did not steal all the 'scale'. The few simulations below 50% can barely be seen on the plot.

Data included btw (txt, zipped)

The text on the x-scale sound read "Simulation #" and not "Spin #". It is the plot, sorted, of the payout% of the 17306 simulations.
So each point on the x-scale is a simulation of 600 spins with the payout% as y-value. Also because there is large variations in the last 10 values makes the curve very steep in the end. If I did more simulations it would be longer and more 'flattened' out.




Zoozie

 

[Rusty]

Nice work Zoozie.
Any chance you could do the same with Twister?
My first 300 spins yielded a 25% payout! on the run I have mentioned.
As I have said it was not one continuous session but something like 300+300+200 spins in 3 sessions
At 600 spins I was at about 44% and after hitting the feature and getting around 40*bet at about 700 spins my overall payout after 800 spins approx was around 55%.
I have not done the exact Maths but those figures will only be a couple of percent out either way.
What really grates is this is happening quite regularly and is ot a one off.

VWM I very much agree with what you are saying.
If I ever do ahve ahit or two that puts me nicely infront things will suddenly turn abrubtly and seems impossible to hit anything on any slot and returns suddenly drop to below 50% for long periods.
This is very much my experience anyway and I have played an awful lot of spins on MG slots.

I did try another MG low rolling as usual but my modest bankroll of 30 was wiped out on halloweenies at below 40% payout once more.

 

[mikepipe]

I did 17306 simulations each of 600 spins at 9-line Thunderstruck and flatbetting. And this time I did sort the data and plot them. There are actually a very few below 50% payout with the lowest at only 42.87%. So 36% is still really unlikely and looks like I need 1M++ simulation to hit one of those.


Zoozie

Thats brillant again man!!

Helps us to understand our frustration and maybe , just maybe, lets say it very careful: the guys at MG dont like to see those simulations.

 

[Zoozie]

Any chance you could do the same with Twister?

I need someone to find the reels of Twister first, then it would not take me long, and Twister(and all clones) could be added to the simulator.
But it would probably take 20 hours to find the reels the normal way. It can be done in 5 hours if you play the flash client and read the .xml file in the IE temp
directory between each spin.(clean the directory first, then you can easy spot the file.) For each spin the xml file shows the reel positions as 11,15,25,9,32 f.eks. This way you know where are you are on the reels. Etc. what you see on the first reel are positions 10,11,12.

Zoozie

 

[KasinoKing]

I need someone to find the reels of Twister first, then it would not take me long, and Twister(and all clones) could be added to the simulator.

But it would probably take 20 hours to find the reels to normal way...

I can vouch for that - having done Tomb Raider.
Rusty, as you keep saying you're taking a break from playing, why don't you do the reels as a little project?
Just download a casino & play in 'fun mode'.
You probably need to do something like 100 spins & write down all the symbols on all the reels each time - then you just need to put the jigsaw together... (Sounds easy, doesn't it )
Don't forget there's probably a different number of symbols on each reel.

Good luck!

 

[NASHVEGAS]

I did 17306 simulations each of 600 spins at 9-line Thunderstruck and flatbetting. And this time I did sort the data and plot them. There are actually a very few below 50% payout with the lowest at only 42.87%. So 36% is still really unlikely and looks like I need 1M++ simulation to hit one of those.

But this is the worst 10 of of the 17306 simulation

42.87%
43.43%
44.16%
44.35%
44.76%
44.85%
45.26%
45.78%
46.04%
46.19%

The best 10 was:

275.73%
276.5%
287.2%
288.42%
292.15%
332.63%
336.94%
376%
401.35%
417.4%
762.04%

And here is the plot. I removed the 762.04% from the plot so it did not steal all the 'scale'. The few simulations below 50% can barely be seen on the plot.

Data included btw (txt, zipped)

The text on the x-scale sound read "Simulation #" and not "Spin #". It is the plot, sorted, of the payout% of the 17306 simulations.
So each point on the x-scale is a simulation of 600 spins with the payout% as y-value. Also because there is large variations in the last 10 values makes the curve very steep in the end. If I did more simulations it would be longer and more 'flattened' out.




Zoozie

Zoozie can you tell me the final average payout for all 17306 simulations since all the variables were constant. Would be interesting to compare to MG's average slot payout figures Of course I can guesstimate by calculating an approx weighted average from the graph but it would subject to errors by me. I can not open the zip so I do not know if the average payout is already there. Great and helpful info you have provided. Much appreciated.

 

[Zoozie]

Zoozie can you tell me the final average payout for all 17306 simulations since all the variables were constant.

Why can you not open the ZIP?

Since all the simulations had the same number of spins, you can actually just take the average of each payout% to find the final payout% . This is done easy in Excel etc. I guess that it is close to the 95% we know this slot has, the total number of spins is 600*17300 ~10M spins, and this is enough to get very close to the actual payout%.

Edit: I am at work now, and this computer has MS office uninstalled, so I can not do it.

Zoozie