Maragret Thatcher RIP.

[dunover]

OK, no doubt we'll get the jokes. The bile. But I remember as a kid in shorts, no hot food because the power was off. No bins being emptied and the streets full of rubbish until the Army were called in. I remember bodies not being buried. Post not being delivered. The country was being wrecked by Marxists and communists infiltrating unions; life was a misery. It took 4 weeks via the GPO to get a telephone line (if you were lucky.) We looked weak, then the fascists took the Falklands. Ironically, we were rescued by a woman leader that had 'balls'. That didn't suck up to the E-USSR like the spineless twats Camoron and Blair and Brown. She passed away today. If you've been born in the last 30 years you won't remember the above events. You'll have been indoctrinated by the neo-Marxist Politically correct education system and politicians since. But I, and many more remember what it was like, and how despite her faults, she did right by most of us. RIP Maggie Thatcher.

 

[harrys99]

As a woman from the US-I had great admiration for Mrs. Thatcher as I was growing in to my own political thoughts in the 80's. RIP dear lady.

 

[tomgalanis]

Just wait for webzcas to join this thread!

 

[chuchu59]

She went to China to discuss the future of Hong Kong and I was really impressed by her abilities. She was wrong-footed when she walked down the stairs after attending a meeting in China leading to superstitious people citing bad omens and she seemed uneasy when trying to carry an animal in her arms. Very colouful character and one I shall never forget. RIP Maggie.

 

[jetset]

This remarkable woman - the longest serving Brit Prime Minister in the 20th century and the only woman ever to hold that office, was undoubtedly a strong leader, although she seemed to attract either admiration or something bordering on hatred.

On balance, I would say I admired her fearlessness and willingness to take really tough decisions - it took a lot of guts to take on the unions, and even to enter politics as a young woman in her twenties back in the fifties, when society was very different to what it is now.

RIP Baroness Thatcher

 

[dunover]

Her philosophy was to end the UK post-war governments' criteria of managing decline, and to instead create a 'new' Britain. Abolishing exchange controls, creating a free market and reducing government interference. It was this which turned Hong Kong from a swamp to a prosperous hive of commerce in the 1960's, and was an influence for Reagan in the US. She constantly opposed communism and was instrumental in Gorbachev's 'Perestroika' and 'Glasnost' in the 1980's and the eventual fall of the Berlin Wall. Hard choices were made and to date all successive UK governments have done little to change what she created, whether control of the actions that can be taken by Unions, or free marketing and retention of the Pound as our currency. The big irony - our only leader since Churchill that had 'balls'.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

OK, no doubt we'll get the jokes. The bile. But I remember as a kid in shorts, no hot food because the power was off. No bins being emptied and the streets full of rubbish until the Army were called in. I remember bodies not being buried. Post not being delivered. The country was being wrecked by Marxists and communists infiltrating unions; life was a misery. It took 4 weeks via the GPO to get a telephone line (if you were lucky.) We looked weak, then the fascists took the Falklands. Ironically, we were rescued by a woman leader that had 'balls'. That didn't suck up to the E-USSR like the spineless twats Camoron and Blair and Brown. She passed away today. If you've been born in the last 30 years you won't remember the above events. You'll have been indoctrinated by the neo-Marxist Politically correct education system and politicians since. But I, and many more remember what it was like, and how despite her faults, she did right by most of us. RIP Maggie Thatcher.

I've never read so much bollocks in so few words.

I'm 38 so I remember the Thatcher years perfectly well, thanks.

 

[Rhyzz]

'I've never read so much bollocks' - credible, intelligent response there.

 

[KasinoKing]

Very sad news.
My best mate hated her with a passion, but I was the opposite - I think she was the best post WW2 Prime Minister this country ever had.
I'm a "little older" than Chopley, and I remember how shite the country was in 1979 before she came to power and sorted it all out.
RIP Maggie

KK

 

[ChopleyIOM]

'I've never read so much bollocks' - credible, intelligent response there.

It's about all dunover's post merited, to be honest.

Thatcher's legacy is there for everyone to see, and from where I'm sat, it's breathtakingly ugly.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Decent obituary video here at The Guardian, and Oliver Letwin is given a fair chance to gob off about how great she was.

Polly Toynbee is rather more critical of her.

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I'm a proper old lefty (I'd describe myself as a socialist) so I was never going to shed any tears for Maggie.

 

[jetset]

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Here's a somewhat more balanced review of her political and leadership career.

 

[Phantom]

Baroness Margaret Thatcher RIP

A great Prime Minister

A Great leader

And a great Briton

 

[Borgie]

Decent obituary video here at The Guardian, and Oliver Letwin is given a fair chance to gob off about how great she was.

Polly Toynbee is rather more critical of her.

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I'm a proper old lefty (I'd describe myself as a socialist) so I was never going to shed any tears for Maggie.

I am not to the left or to the right or even in the middle. I pay my dues and obey the law. However I believe that whether you were left wing or right wing that you could not fail to notice the impact this lady had on our Country for right or wrong. She stood up for what she believed and she was not afraid to face the consequences head on. She was somebody who made a difference.

When ANYONE dies - I believe it is respectful to put aside the fact that they perhaps didn't do what each of us as individuals would have wanted them to have done. Her time in office may have affected us BUT she was a mother and a grandmother. Her family and friends will mourn her, she was loved by them. Because of them even if for nothing else - we should be respectful. We don't need to add to their pain.
Death is a time to end bad feeling.

 

[mimi26]

I couldnt care less about that woman, she was a disgraceful inhuman being who made millions suffer to line the pockets of the wealthy, she destroyed this country was a closet racist who openly supported apartheid. I am sad she was ever born

 

[dunover]

Decent obituary video here at The Guardian, and Oliver Letwin is given a fair chance to gob off about how great she was.

Polly Toynbee is rather more critical of her.

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I'm a proper old lefty (I'd describe myself as a socialist) so I was never going to shed any tears for Maggie.

To which I will reply with one of her quotes:

'Socialism is fine until you run out of other people's money.'

 

[ChopleyIOM]

To which I will reply with one of her quotes:

'Socialism is fine until you run out of other people's money.'

Yeah because unbridled and unchecked capitalism (which she kicked off in the 80s with banking deregulation and privatisation) didn't end up with the people of the UK via their taxes bailing out the entire bust banking sector and effectively handing over huge chunks of their money to the rich elite.

Oh no, wait, that's exactly what happened - and you can trace that back to the Thatcher/Reagan era, and then the New Labour era where they shamefully did nothing about it.

And lest we forget that massive numbers of once proud British companies have ended up in foreign hands, fleecing the UK consumer for the benefit of their owners and shareholders overseas, destroying our industrial base and leaving us at the mercy of forces over which we have no control - an entire country sold down the river in the name of privatisation and the 'free markets', which are only free for those at the top and everyone else can just get fucked.

(I'm no fan of New Labour by the way, Blair and Brown were awful in a lot of ways, and simply 'Thatcher-Lite' in many other ways. What the UK needs IMO is a proper, principled, left-wing party.)

 

[dunover]

Yeah because unbridled and unchecked capitalism (which she kicked off in the 80s with banking deregulation and privatisation) didn't end up with the people of the UK via their taxes bailing out the entire bust banking sector and effectively handing over huge chunks of their money to the rich elite.

Oh no, wait, that's exactly what happened - and you can trace that back to the Thatcher/Reagan era, and then the New Labour era where they shamefully did nothing about it.

And lest we forget that massive numbers of once proud British companies have ended up in foreign hands, fleecing the UK consumer for the benefit of their owners and shareholders overseas, destroying our industrial base and leaving us at the mercy of forces over which we have no control - an entire country sold down the river in the name of privatisation and the 'free markets', which are only free for those at the top and everyone else can just get fucked.

(I'm no fan of New Labour by the way, Blair and Brown were awful in a lot of ways, and simply 'Thatcher-Lite' in many other ways. What the UK needs IMO is a proper, principled, left-wing party.)

Irrational bile. In the 80's Britain was the second biggest creditor nation on Earth, after Japan. To this day, many famous names are owned by UK companies too. Colt Revolvers. AMOCO. Heckler and Koch. Verizon. Rio Tinto. I am not rich, the market is free for me too. I choose who I buy utilities from, not a government monopoly.
OH, Chopley,I can name a few European countries that have had 'a proper, principled, left-wing party' in power for most of the last 20 years. Greece. Spain. Portugal. Cyprus. Unlike Britain, these are stunning examples of economic prowess.

 

[mimi26]

Justice for the 96

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Irrational bile. In the 80's Britain was the second biggest creditor nation on Earth, after Japan. To this day, many famous names are owned by UK companies too. Colt Revolvers. AMOCO. Heckler and Koch. Verizon. Rio Tinto. I am not rich, the market is free for me too. I choose who I buy utilities from, not a government monopoly.
OH, Chopley,I can name a few European countries that have had 'a proper, principled, left-wing party' in power for most of the last 20 years. Greece. Spain. Portugal. Cyprus. Unlike Britain, these are stunning examples of economic prowess.

The de-industrialising North of England wasn't a very nice place to grow up in the 80s, I saw for myself the devastation of her policies and ideology. Yeah she believed in what she was doing, she was at least honest and principled, but she was a disaster for our country.

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Not only in former mining communities and industrial areas laid waste by her government, but across Britain Thatcher is still hated for the damage she inflicted – and for her political legacy of rampant inequality and greed, privatisation and social breakdown. Now protests are taking the form of satirical e-petitions for the funeral to be privatised: if it goes ahead, there are likely to be protests and demonstrations.

This is a politician, after all, who never won the votes of more than a third of the electorate; destroyed communities; created mass unemployment; deindustrialised Britain; redistributed from poor to rich; and, by her deregulation of the City, laid the basis for the crisis that has engulfed us 25 years later.

Thatcher was a prime minister who denounced Nelson Mandela as a terrorist, defended the Chilean fascist dictator Augusto Pinochet, ratcheted up the cold war, and unleashed militarised police on trade unionists and black communities alike. She was Britain's first woman prime minister, but her policies hit women hardest, like Cameron's today.

A common British establishment view – and the implicit position of The Iron Lady – is that while Thatcher took harsh measures and "went too far", it was necessary medicine to restore the sick economy of the 1970s to healthy growth.

It did nothing of the sort. Average growth in the Thatcherite 80s, at 2.4%, was exactly the same as in the sick 70s – and considerably lower than during the corporatist 60s. Her government's savage deflation destroyed a fifth of Britain's industrial base in two years, hollowed out manufacturing, and delivered a "productivity miracle" that never was, and we're living with the consequences today.

What she did succeed in doing was to restore class privilege, boosting profitability while slashing employees' share of national income from 65% to 53% through her assault on unions. Britain faced a structural crisis in the 1970s, but there were multiple routes out of it. Thatcher imposed a neoliberal model now seen to have failed across the world.

It's hardly surprising that some might want to put a benign gloss on Thatcher's record when another Tory-led government is forcing through Thatcher-like policies – and riots, mounting unemployment and swingeing benefits cuts echo her years in power. The rehabilitation isn't so much about then as now, which is one reason it can't go unchallenged. Thatcher wasn't a "great leader". She was the most socially destructive prime minister of modern times.

 

[dunover]

Ah, from the Marxist Gradinua, what else!
Our industrial base went because terms of trade changed. other nations did it better and cheaper. Taxpayers were subsidizing automotive gems like the Austin Allegro, while we wanted Datsuns and VW's. We produced coal at £32 quid a ton, importing it from open-cast in Australia cost £19 a ton. As for the silly figures of voting percentages, Blair got less than 25% in his last victory. A product of the first-past-the-post electoral system. In fact a stupid statement, spouted by the Gradinua for the mindless cretins that haven't the will or mental capacity to question its illogicality. Winners NEVER get 50%+ of the possible vote here. The North would have declined anyway, she and everyone else really knew that. We made crap, subsidized by the taxpayers, who voted with what little they had left after Labours punitive income tax rates, and bought foreign. No-one would invest here due to high taxation and strikes. Just a few inconvenient facts for the 'useful idiots' (Josef Stalin) at the Gradinua and those muppets who swallow the spew.
And needless to say, the EU, and Nu Liebore's destruction of our jobs base, labour market and social cohesion through mass immigration that is pro-rata 25 times greater than anything in the last 900 years is completely ignored.

WTG Gradinua!!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Glenda Jackson (a far greater woman than Thatcher ever was) puts the boot in during the Commons recall.

Cameron was out of order recalling Parliament for the death of the old sack, good on Glenda for refusing to have nothing to do with the horseshit hagiography.

Nice to see the Tory toad MP after she's finished get slapped down by the speaker, who's a Tory himself.

 

[PNEFOREVER2]

My stepdad was arrested in the '80s amongst the fighting between the coppers and the miners and received a £90 fine despite not even being a miner (only my stepdad could manage that!), upon not paying the fine through 'principal' he received a 7 day prison sentence.

I get that some people, in particular most where I live up north felt pretty hard done by MT, but personally even though I was only born in '85, I admired the woman. Every PM will have some hugely unpopular decisions to make, as she did. Even Cameron today is making some hugely unpopular decisions in cuts up and down the country yet doesn't receive half the hatred (and never will) to what MT has.

I find it strange how those that hate her always remember the bad things and never the good, they never mention the Falklands, never mention the fact so many were able to buy their council houses, so many were able to start up their own businesses, no-one ever mentions the fact she never gave in to the IRA - even after the Brighton bombing or the prisoners that went on hunger strike and subsequently died (all 10) because they wanted to be recognised as political prisoners (amongst other demands). They always moan about the bad decisions. Yes there were some, in who's time as PM or president of a country was all so perfect?

Frankly, I find it disgusting some people are celebrating the passing of another human being.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

This is the same Thatcher who called Augusto Pinochet a friend, and Nelson Mandela a terrorist, just so we're clear?

 

[dunover]

Glenda Jackson (a far greater woman than Thatcher ever was) puts the boot in during the Commons recall.

Cameron was out of order recalling Parliament for the death of the old sack, good on Glenda for refusing to have nothing to do with the horseshit hagiography.

Nice to see the Tory toad MP after she's finished get slapped down by the speaker, who's a Tory himself.




LMFAO................that's the best joke I've heard in years....like saying Pete Doherty is 'greater' than Paul McCartney. The left are always good for a laugh at least.

 

[dunover]

This is the same Thatcher who called Augusto Pinochet a friend, and Nelson Mandela a terrorist, just so we're clear?

Pinochet was our friend, assisting us covertly in the Falklands war. Mandela was a terrorist, one whose 'wife' and cronies gave the world the lovely image of blacks putting tyres filled with petrol around other blacks' necks and burning them alive. Then again, the left and the truth have never been comfortable companions.

 

[PNEFOREVER2]

This is the same Thatcher who called Augusto Pinochet a friend, and Nelson Mandela a terrorist, just so we're clear?

I agree her friendship with Pinochet was bizarre considering the thousands of people he killed and tortured, but what about Blair when he pops his clogs?

Will he receive this much abuse and vileness due to his direct decision to go to war vs Iraq on a whim? Without any ("sexed up") evidence?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Pinochet was our friend, assisting us covertly in the Falklands war. Mandela was a terrorist, one whose 'wife' and cronies gave the world the lovely image of blacks putting tyres filled with petrol around other blacks' necks and burning them alive. Then again, the left and the truth have never been comfortable companions.

Winnie Mandela is not Nelson Mandela, (and he was in prison at the time), plus the ANC officially condemned necklacing.

Pinochet was a straight-out brutalist, barbarian and torturer, and Thatcher called him a friend.

 

[dunover]

My stepdad was arrested in the '80s amongst the fighting between the coppers and the miners and received a £90 fine despite not even being a miner (only my stepdad could manage that!), upon not paying the fine through 'principal' he received a 7 day prison sentence.

I get that some people, in particular most where I live up north felt pretty hard done by MT, but personally even though I was only born in '85, I admired the woman. Every PM will have some hugely unpopular decisions to make, as she did. Even Cameron today is making some hugely unpopular decisions in cuts up and down the country yet doesn't receive half the hatred (and never will) to what MT has.

I find it strange how those that hate her always remember the bad things and never the good, they never mention the Falklands, never mention the fact so many were able to buy their council houses, so many were able to start up their own businesses, no-one ever mentions the fact she never gave in to the IRA - even after the Brighton bombing or the prisoners that went on hunger strike and subsequently died (all 10) because they wanted to be recognised as political prisoners (amongst other demands). They always moan about the bad decisions. Yes there were some, in who's time as PM or president of a country was all so perfect?

Frankly, I find it disgusting some people are celebrating the passing of another human being.

Yes, indeed you are pretty much on the nail there. If you look at world history, the left/far left have bullied, killed, dehumanized and deceived more people than the so-called 'far right' have. Communism, barely 96 years old, has murdered, starved and slaughtered to date 100million people. It can only exist by force, unchallenged by religion, opposition or ideals. In contrast, dictators and leaders which we would call 'fascist' or 'Nazi' are at barely a tenth of that figure, yet by the PC propaganda the Gradinua/BBC/socialists spout you'd be forgiven for thinking the opposite was true. Now understand that ANY philosophy or leader left or right that causes death is evil in my book. But you must've witnessed the late-night disorder in London, Glasgow and Bristol recently at 'Thatcher's Dead' 'parties'. A perfect example of how the real political bile and thuggery in most countries is almost exclusively the domain of the far-left.
Now who is it attending these 'parties'? Normal working people, who have to get up in the morning? No. It's a bunch of students, agitators, squatters and various parasitic sub cultures we pay our taxes to support. They believe who shouts loudest wins the argument. They know useful idiots like the Gradinua and BBC will publicize their 'anger' sorry, excuse to cause mayhem and threaten innocent people. Whatever the truth-twisters and deniers claim, she won all 3 Elections she entered. Despite her faults, and mistakes along the way. I'm pleased she gets a state funeral like Churchill.

 

[dunover]

Winnie Mandela is not Nelson Mandela, (and he was in prison at the time), plus the ANC officially condemned necklacing.
Pinochet was a straight-out brutalist, barbarian and torturer, and Thatcher called him a friend.

What, like Sinn Fein (IRA) officially 'condemned' bombing and shootings of innocent civilians? Keep digging Chopley....


As for the latter, 'straight-out brutalist, barbarian and torturer' you mean like the Chinese leadership, that the last 2 governments have actively been seeking trade deals and more economic cooperation with? Pffftttt...

 

[PNEFOREVER2]

Just to add to my point that no politician is squeaky clean, didn't the mighty Glenda Jackson also thieve £8000+ from the public purse?

£150 of which for 3 magazine subscriptions?

 

[dunover]

Just to add to my point that no politician is squeaky clean, didn't the mighty Glenda Jackson also thieve £8000+ from the public purse?

£150 of which for 3 magazine subscriptions?

She did indeed, claiming 'ignorance' which is quite apt. Great paragon of socialism, fatcat millionairess defrauding taxpayers on minimum wage.....still she is 'greater' though.


The below was in the Telegraph at the time:



Ms Jackson, 73, has also made several claims for money to cover the cost of a subscription to Computing for Labour which is run from the party's HQ and exists to provide technological tools and support.

She made three separate claims for £50 to cover the cost of her subscription to CLF.

The MP on Saturday night said the payments were for valuable IT support.

Analysis by shows that the former star of Women In Love, Sunday Bloody Sunday and A Touch of Class is one of the MPs who offers least value for money.

Although she turned up for only 27 per cent of votes, spoke in only two debates and did not ask any parliamentary questions in 2007-8, she claimed a total of £136,793 in allowances, to cover travel, home, office and staffing costs.

Our analysis was based on a House of Commons breakdown of how much each of the UK's 646 MPs claimed in expenses, their attendance, voting and speaking record.

The MP said she did not think sitting in the chamber waiting to be called was the best use of her time. She remained busy in both the House of Commons and the constituency.

Miss Jackson is not the first Labour MP who has claimed expenses so that public money can be paid to the Labour Party.

Last week it emerged that David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary, John Hutton, the Business Secretary and Hilary Benn, the Environment Secretary paid tens of thousands of pounds worth of rent to their local Labour party.

More than six Cabinet Ministers have paid more than £2,700 to Computing for Labour

Glenda, the champagne 'socialist'.

 

[mimi26]

Just to add to my point that no politician is squeaky clean, didn't the mighty Glenda Jackson also thieve £8000+ from the public purse?

£150 of which for 3 magazine subscriptions?

thats hardly comparable to the misery twatcher caused to millions with her ideologies. The woman was a disgrace, and the cost of her funeral makes my blood boil. People are starving in this country and we are shelling out millions for the ole hag. Her Family should pay for the funeral with their legacy after all she was still claiming up to half a million in expenses the theiving tory

 

[dunover]

thats hardly comparable to the misery twatcher caused to millions with her ideologies. The woman was a disgrace, and the cost of her funeral makes my blood boil. People are starving in this country and we are shelling out millions for the ole hag. Her Family should pay for the funeral with their legacy after all she was still claiming up to half a million in expenses the theiving tory

Ah, the left and their detachment from the truth (again). Aren't you aware a large part is covered by her family? Show me people 'starving' in the UK. Denied food or money by the state? So she was 'claiming half a million in expenses' while being in care with dementia for the last 2 or 3 years?

You can fool all the people some of the time, some of the people all the time etc.etc.

 

[PNEFOREVER2]

thats hardly comparable to the misery twatcher caused to millions with her ideologies. The woman was a disgrace, and the cost of her funeral makes my blood boil. People are starving in this country and we are shelling out millions for the ole hag. Her Family should pay for the funeral with their legacy after all she was still claiming up to half a million in expenses the theiving tory

I'm not saying its comparable to anything MT did or didn't do, I'm simply saying backing up a post with a video of a known thief's speech isn't really ideal.

Maybe she thought she thought she could get away with it if she were found out with her acting abilities.

I think we can all agree that MT had a pretty much impossible job considering the country was pretty much on it's arse in the first place. We all make mistakes as humans whether it be personal or in our own employment.

Let he who is without sin......

 

[mimi26]

Ah, the left and their detachment from the truth (again). Aren't you aware a large part is covered by her family? Show me people 'starving' in the UK. Denied food or money by the state? So she was 'claiming half a million in expenses' while being in care with dementia for the last 2 or 3 years?

You can fool all the people some of the time, some of the people all the time etc.etc.

Go and check the OFFICIAL documents of how much she claimed in the five years up to 2011, and if no one is starving in this country then why we do we have a need for food banks?? Take your far right blinkers of and look around people are suffering in this country and I don't care how much her family are contributing to her funeral they should pay it ALL. Why the hell should taxpayers have to fund it. Give me one good reason

 

[mimi26]

I'm not saying its comparable to anything MT did or didn't do, I'm simply saying backing up a post with a video of a known thief's speech isn't really ideal.

Maybe she thought she thought she could get away with it if she were found out with her acting abilities.

I think we can all agree that MT had a pretty much impossible job considering the country was pretty much on it's arse in the first place. We all make mistakes as humans whether it be personal or in our own employment.

Let he who is without sin......

Sorry I dont get your argument here, are you saying that her policies were a mistake and we should all forgive her? Yeah I have made mistakes in my life but I can honestly say they did not destroy lives, communities and society as a whole. That woman sacrificed the livelihood of millions to benefit the few, we are still feeling the effects today. Unemployment trebled in her first 4 years of office.

 

[secret2]

RIP, Maggie.

She was a strong lady, regardless of angry posts, here. She deserves some respect.

Hopefully, Maggie and Ronald are taking a waltz, again.

She did some good things and had many difficult issues to deal with. Britain has always had turmoil and it is unfair to blame it all on Margaret Thatcher.

God Bless, Maggie.

I am not going to go to war with anyone, here.

She also brought gender equality to the table, as to say to young women that, yes...you CAN be a leader.

She opened up doors to the young to learn a trade while still in school. Y.O.P.



That's it.

Hate me if you want to but I refuse to 'hate' any person that has just died.

...except for dictators.

No, she wasn't.

 

[dunover]

Sorry I dont get your argument here, are you saying that her policies were a mistake and we should all forgive her? Yeah I have made mistakes in my life but I can honestly say they did not destroy lives, communities and society as a whole. That woman sacrificed the livelihood of millions to benefit the few, we are still feeling the effects today. Unemployment trebled in her first 4 years of office.

It more than doubled. She told us it would rise before being elected. You see, Mimi free markets and capitalism create wealth. NOT socialism. Even Marx stated that. The taxpayers were being robbed to subsidize inefficient, unproductive and unnecessary jobs where the product could be sourced cheaper and better elsewhere. Economically this couldn't continue. It really couldn't. If it had, well, look at Greece and Cyprus now. All Thatcher did was rubber-stamp and plan what would have been completely inevitable anyway. Even the neo-Marxist BBC endorsed this view in a recent series about our economy. It wasn't 'the few' that benefited, millions of us did. That's confirmed by the fact millions of people, many working-class, kept voting for her. Punitive income tax reduced. Brain-drain ended. Made it easier and more cost effective to do business here. This is why, to date, her main reforms and actions have never been reversed by any government of any colour. I have been unemployed a few times. it didn't 'destroy' my life. It's part and parcel of a wealthy capitalist society, you know, the one that pays out all these billions in benefits.

 

[harrys99]

RIP, Maggie.

She was a strong lady, regardless of angry posts, here. She deserves some respect.

Hopefully, Maggie and Ronald are taking a waltz, again.

She did some good things and had many difficult issues to deal with. Britain has always had turmoil and it is unfair to blame it all on Margaret Thatcher.

God Bless, Maggie.

I am not going to go to war with anyone, here.

She also brought gender equality to the table, as to say to young women that, yes...you CAN be a leader.

She opened up doors to the young to learn a trade while still in school. Y.O.P.



That's it.

Hate me if you want to but I refuse to 'hate' any person that has just died.

...except for dictators.

No, she wasn't.

Very well said-thumbs up

 

[PNEFOREVER2]

Sorry I dont get your argument here, are you saying that her policies were a mistake and we should all forgive her? Yeah I have made mistakes in my life but I can honestly say they did not destroy lives, communities and society as a whole. That woman sacrificed the livelihood of millions to benefit the few, we are still feeling the effects today. Unemployment trebled in her first 4 years of office.

Why is it people live in the past so much? As for the coal mines you seem to be referring to (bolded), as Dunover was saying a few minutes ago, why should a community be so reliable on 1 job or 1 industry - like Sheffield and their steel industry for example?

Yeah lets just blame 1 person for a group of people's own shortcomings. I'm not insensitive, really I'm not, but if I train for a job then years later that industry disappears should I then just sit on my arse and complain? Or do I get up and go and do something else?

 

[dunover]

Go and check the OFFICIAL documents of how much she claimed in the five years up to 2011, and if no one is starving in this country then why we do we have a need for food banks?? Take your far right blinkers of and look around people are suffering in this country and I don't care how much her family are contributing to her funeral they should pay it ALL. Why the hell should taxpayers have to fund it. Give me one good reason

Why the hell should taxpayers have funded thousands of times more for the bloody Olympics? Why should taxpayers fund IVF? Why should taxpayers pay for child benefits to be paid to Poland and other countries when the children have never lived in the UK but a parent works here?

As for food banks - be honest with yourself. They are principally used by 3 groups. The first are simply on the take and don't need it, it just means the no-questions-asked handouts leave them more cash to do other stuff. The second is immigrants who have not yet been given the handouts they expect and are not working. The third, and possibly the only near-genuine takers are those too uneducated to budget low incomes or benefits properly. In other words, they smoke 20 fags a day at £8 a packet, £56 a week then suddenly realize their kids are going hungry. Not because they have to, but via bad choices by those responsible for them.

 

[dunover]

Why is it people live in the past so much? As for the coal mines you seem to be referring to (bolded), as Dunover was saying a few minutes ago, why should a community be so reliable on 1 job or 1 industry - like Sheffield and their steel industry for example?

Yeah lets just blame 1 person for a group of people's own shortcomings. I'm not insensitive, really I'm not, but if I train for a job then years later that industry disappears should I then just sit on my arse and complain? Or do I get up and go and do something else?

Look, there's no telling self-pitying whining lefties. Their residual philosophy is that some third party, usually the state/taxpayer has to employ them, feed them, educate them, empty their bins, make their choices for them and pick up the pieces if they mess up. If they actually make some choices themselves, like having kids, the state should pay for that too. Someone else is always at fault. They bear no responsibility.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I believe me and dunover are going to have to respectfully agree to disagree on this issue.

(He's wrong though )

 

[dunover]

I believe me and dunover are going to have to respectfully agree to disagree on this issue.

(He's wrong though )

Quoted post mirrored by me too.

 

[societyofslots]

Maggie Thatcher R.I.P

Rest In xxxx

 

[chuchu59]

That wasn't funny. More respect please.

 

[societyofslots]

Unfortunatly I cant give any respect to a human being who's sole purpose in life is to tell other people how to live there lives. All politicans are nothing but lying sacks of crap, all out for themselves with not a care for anyone but themselves. They are selfish by design and dangerous by their actions..

respect - pfft - the only good politican is a dead one!

 

[chuchu59]

She's gone now and as a human being one should respect the deceased. You could have mounted a crusade against her while she was still here but let her rest in peace.

 

[dionysus]

She's gone now and as a human being one should respect the deceased. You could have mounted a crusade against her while she was still here but let her rest in peace.

er, according to whom? she'd dead, she doesnt care; she's either worm food or in a better (or worse) place and no matter which it is, she's past the point of caring.
I don't get the point of 'don't speak ill of the dead'..I understand, say, not at a funeral or near the near and dear, but in general...why?
If we love and honour someone, we start charities, foundations etc and I think everyone has a right to their opinion even past death, so why not bad ones too.
What, like 'Hitler was a monster'....'sssh, he's gone now...the dear just had his little quirks'. How you lived your life is how you're remembered, and in the case of public figures, long past their time on Earth. Good or ill, I don't see why someone should change their opinion because someone bit it..we all will.