Maragret Thatcher RIP.

[dunover]

This is the same Thatcher who called Augusto Pinochet a friend, and Nelson Mandela a terrorist, just so we're clear?

Pinochet was our friend, assisting us covertly in the Falklands war. Mandela was a terrorist, one whose 'wife' and cronies gave the world the lovely image of blacks putting tyres filled with petrol around other blacks' necks and burning them alive. Then again, the left and the truth have never been comfortable companions.

 

[PNEFOREVER2]

This is the same Thatcher who called Augusto Pinochet a friend, and Nelson Mandela a terrorist, just so we're clear?

I agree her friendship with Pinochet was bizarre considering the thousands of people he killed and tortured, but what about Blair when he pops his clogs?

Will he receive this much abuse and vileness due to his direct decision to go to war vs Iraq on a whim? Without any ("sexed up") evidence?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Pinochet was our friend, assisting us covertly in the Falklands war. Mandela was a terrorist, one whose 'wife' and cronies gave the world the lovely image of blacks putting tyres filled with petrol around other blacks' necks and burning them alive. Then again, the left and the truth have never been comfortable companions.

Winnie Mandela is not Nelson Mandela, (and he was in prison at the time), plus the ANC officially condemned necklacing.

Pinochet was a straight-out brutalist, barbarian and torturer, and Thatcher called him a friend.

 

[dunover]

My stepdad was arrested in the '80s amongst the fighting between the coppers and the miners and received a £90 fine despite not even being a miner (only my stepdad could manage that!), upon not paying the fine through 'principal' he received a 7 day prison sentence.

I get that some people, in particular most where I live up north felt pretty hard done by MT, but personally even though I was only born in '85, I admired the woman. Every PM will have some hugely unpopular decisions to make, as she did. Even Cameron today is making some hugely unpopular decisions in cuts up and down the country yet doesn't receive half the hatred (and never will) to what MT has.

I find it strange how those that hate her always remember the bad things and never the good, they never mention the Falklands, never mention the fact so many were able to buy their council houses, so many were able to start up their own businesses, no-one ever mentions the fact she never gave in to the IRA - even after the Brighton bombing or the prisoners that went on hunger strike and subsequently died (all 10) because they wanted to be recognised as political prisoners (amongst other demands). They always moan about the bad decisions. Yes there were some, in who's time as PM or president of a country was all so perfect?

Frankly, I find it disgusting some people are celebrating the passing of another human being.

Yes, indeed you are pretty much on the nail there. If you look at world history, the left/far left have bullied, killed, dehumanized and deceived more people than the so-called 'far right' have. Communism, barely 96 years old, has murdered, starved and slaughtered to date 100million people. It can only exist by force, unchallenged by religion, opposition or ideals. In contrast, dictators and leaders which we would call 'fascist' or 'Nazi' are at barely a tenth of that figure, yet by the PC propaganda the Gradinua/BBC/socialists spout you'd be forgiven for thinking the opposite was true. Now understand that ANY philosophy or leader left or right that causes death is evil in my book. But you must've witnessed the late-night disorder in London, Glasgow and Bristol recently at 'Thatcher's Dead' 'parties'. A perfect example of how the real political bile and thuggery in most countries is almost exclusively the domain of the far-left.
Now who is it attending these 'parties'? Normal working people, who have to get up in the morning? No. It's a bunch of students, agitators, squatters and various parasitic sub cultures we pay our taxes to support. They believe who shouts loudest wins the argument. They know useful idiots like the Gradinua and BBC will publicize their 'anger' sorry, excuse to cause mayhem and threaten innocent people. Whatever the truth-twisters and deniers claim, she won all 3 Elections she entered. Despite her faults, and mistakes along the way. I'm pleased she gets a state funeral like Churchill.

 

[dunover]

Winnie Mandela is not Nelson Mandela, (and he was in prison at the time), plus the ANC officially condemned necklacing.
Pinochet was a straight-out brutalist, barbarian and torturer, and Thatcher called him a friend.

What, like Sinn Fein (IRA) officially 'condemned' bombing and shootings of innocent civilians? Keep digging Chopley....


As for the latter, 'straight-out brutalist, barbarian and torturer' you mean like the Chinese leadership, that the last 2 governments have actively been seeking trade deals and more economic cooperation with? Pffftttt...

 

[PNEFOREVER2]

Just to add to my point that no politician is squeaky clean, didn't the mighty Glenda Jackson also thieve £8000+ from the public purse?

£150 of which for 3 magazine subscriptions?

 

[dunover]

Just to add to my point that no politician is squeaky clean, didn't the mighty Glenda Jackson also thieve £8000+ from the public purse?

£150 of which for 3 magazine subscriptions?

She did indeed, claiming 'ignorance' which is quite apt. Great paragon of socialism, fatcat millionairess defrauding taxpayers on minimum wage.....still she is 'greater' though.


The below was in the Telegraph at the time:



Ms Jackson, 73, has also made several claims for money to cover the cost of a subscription to Computing for Labour which is run from the party's HQ and exists to provide technological tools and support.

She made three separate claims for £50 to cover the cost of her subscription to CLF.

The MP on Saturday night said the payments were for valuable IT support.

Analysis by shows that the former star of Women In Love, Sunday Bloody Sunday and A Touch of Class is one of the MPs who offers least value for money.

Although she turned up for only 27 per cent of votes, spoke in only two debates and did not ask any parliamentary questions in 2007-8, she claimed a total of £136,793 in allowances, to cover travel, home, office and staffing costs.

Our analysis was based on a House of Commons breakdown of how much each of the UK's 646 MPs claimed in expenses, their attendance, voting and speaking record.

The MP said she did not think sitting in the chamber waiting to be called was the best use of her time. She remained busy in both the House of Commons and the constituency.

Miss Jackson is not the first Labour MP who has claimed expenses so that public money can be paid to the Labour Party.

Last week it emerged that David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary, John Hutton, the Business Secretary and Hilary Benn, the Environment Secretary paid tens of thousands of pounds worth of rent to their local Labour party.

More than six Cabinet Ministers have paid more than £2,700 to Computing for Labour

Glenda, the champagne 'socialist'.

 

[mimi26]

Just to add to my point that no politician is squeaky clean, didn't the mighty Glenda Jackson also thieve £8000+ from the public purse?

£150 of which for 3 magazine subscriptions?

thats hardly comparable to the misery twatcher caused to millions with her ideologies. The woman was a disgrace, and the cost of her funeral makes my blood boil. People are starving in this country and we are shelling out millions for the ole hag. Her Family should pay for the funeral with their legacy after all she was still claiming up to half a million in expenses the theiving tory

 

[dunover]

thats hardly comparable to the misery twatcher caused to millions with her ideologies. The woman was a disgrace, and the cost of her funeral makes my blood boil. People are starving in this country and we are shelling out millions for the ole hag. Her Family should pay for the funeral with their legacy after all she was still claiming up to half a million in expenses the theiving tory

Ah, the left and their detachment from the truth (again). Aren't you aware a large part is covered by her family? Show me people 'starving' in the UK. Denied food or money by the state? So she was 'claiming half a million in expenses' while being in care with dementia for the last 2 or 3 years?

You can fool all the people some of the time, some of the people all the time etc.etc.

 

[PNEFOREVER2]

thats hardly comparable to the misery twatcher caused to millions with her ideologies. The woman was a disgrace, and the cost of her funeral makes my blood boil. People are starving in this country and we are shelling out millions for the ole hag. Her Family should pay for the funeral with their legacy after all she was still claiming up to half a million in expenses the theiving tory

I'm not saying its comparable to anything MT did or didn't do, I'm simply saying backing up a post with a video of a known thief's speech isn't really ideal.

Maybe she thought she thought she could get away with it if she were found out with her acting abilities.

I think we can all agree that MT had a pretty much impossible job considering the country was pretty much on it's arse in the first place. We all make mistakes as humans whether it be personal or in our own employment.

Let he who is without sin......

 

[mimi26]

Ah, the left and their detachment from the truth (again). Aren't you aware a large part is covered by her family? Show me people 'starving' in the UK. Denied food or money by the state? So she was 'claiming half a million in expenses' while being in care with dementia for the last 2 or 3 years?

You can fool all the people some of the time, some of the people all the time etc.etc.

Go and check the OFFICIAL documents of how much she claimed in the five years up to 2011, and if no one is starving in this country then why we do we have a need for food banks?? Take your far right blinkers of and look around people are suffering in this country and I don't care how much her family are contributing to her funeral they should pay it ALL. Why the hell should taxpayers have to fund it. Give me one good reason

 

[mimi26]

I'm not saying its comparable to anything MT did or didn't do, I'm simply saying backing up a post with a video of a known thief's speech isn't really ideal.

Maybe she thought she thought she could get away with it if she were found out with her acting abilities.

I think we can all agree that MT had a pretty much impossible job considering the country was pretty much on it's arse in the first place. We all make mistakes as humans whether it be personal or in our own employment.

Let he who is without sin......

Sorry I dont get your argument here, are you saying that her policies were a mistake and we should all forgive her? Yeah I have made mistakes in my life but I can honestly say they did not destroy lives, communities and society as a whole. That woman sacrificed the livelihood of millions to benefit the few, we are still feeling the effects today. Unemployment trebled in her first 4 years of office.

 

[secret2]

RIP, Maggie.

She was a strong lady, regardless of angry posts, here. She deserves some respect.

Hopefully, Maggie and Ronald are taking a waltz, again.

She did some good things and had many difficult issues to deal with. Britain has always had turmoil and it is unfair to blame it all on Margaret Thatcher.

God Bless, Maggie.

I am not going to go to war with anyone, here.

She also brought gender equality to the table, as to say to young women that, yes...you CAN be a leader.

She opened up doors to the young to learn a trade while still in school. Y.O.P.



That's it.

Hate me if you want to but I refuse to 'hate' any person that has just died.

...except for dictators.

No, she wasn't.

 

[dunover]

Sorry I dont get your argument here, are you saying that her policies were a mistake and we should all forgive her? Yeah I have made mistakes in my life but I can honestly say they did not destroy lives, communities and society as a whole. That woman sacrificed the livelihood of millions to benefit the few, we are still feeling the effects today. Unemployment trebled in her first 4 years of office.

It more than doubled. She told us it would rise before being elected. You see, Mimi free markets and capitalism create wealth. NOT socialism. Even Marx stated that. The taxpayers were being robbed to subsidize inefficient, unproductive and unnecessary jobs where the product could be sourced cheaper and better elsewhere. Economically this couldn't continue. It really couldn't. If it had, well, look at Greece and Cyprus now. All Thatcher did was rubber-stamp and plan what would have been completely inevitable anyway. Even the neo-Marxist BBC endorsed this view in a recent series about our economy. It wasn't 'the few' that benefited, millions of us did. That's confirmed by the fact millions of people, many working-class, kept voting for her. Punitive income tax reduced. Brain-drain ended. Made it easier and more cost effective to do business here. This is why, to date, her main reforms and actions have never been reversed by any government of any colour. I have been unemployed a few times. it didn't 'destroy' my life. It's part and parcel of a wealthy capitalist society, you know, the one that pays out all these billions in benefits.

 

[harrys99]

RIP, Maggie.

She was a strong lady, regardless of angry posts, here. She deserves some respect.

Hopefully, Maggie and Ronald are taking a waltz, again.

She did some good things and had many difficult issues to deal with. Britain has always had turmoil and it is unfair to blame it all on Margaret Thatcher.

God Bless, Maggie.

I am not going to go to war with anyone, here.

She also brought gender equality to the table, as to say to young women that, yes...you CAN be a leader.

She opened up doors to the young to learn a trade while still in school. Y.O.P.



That's it.

Hate me if you want to but I refuse to 'hate' any person that has just died.

...except for dictators.

No, she wasn't.

Very well said-thumbs up

 

[PNEFOREVER2]

Sorry I dont get your argument here, are you saying that her policies were a mistake and we should all forgive her? Yeah I have made mistakes in my life but I can honestly say they did not destroy lives, communities and society as a whole. That woman sacrificed the livelihood of millions to benefit the few, we are still feeling the effects today. Unemployment trebled in her first 4 years of office.

Why is it people live in the past so much? As for the coal mines you seem to be referring to (bolded), as Dunover was saying a few minutes ago, why should a community be so reliable on 1 job or 1 industry - like Sheffield and their steel industry for example?

Yeah lets just blame 1 person for a group of people's own shortcomings. I'm not insensitive, really I'm not, but if I train for a job then years later that industry disappears should I then just sit on my arse and complain? Or do I get up and go and do something else?

 

[dunover]

Go and check the OFFICIAL documents of how much she claimed in the five years up to 2011, and if no one is starving in this country then why we do we have a need for food banks?? Take your far right blinkers of and look around people are suffering in this country and I don't care how much her family are contributing to her funeral they should pay it ALL. Why the hell should taxpayers have to fund it. Give me one good reason

Why the hell should taxpayers have funded thousands of times more for the bloody Olympics? Why should taxpayers fund IVF? Why should taxpayers pay for child benefits to be paid to Poland and other countries when the children have never lived in the UK but a parent works here?

As for food banks - be honest with yourself. They are principally used by 3 groups. The first are simply on the take and don't need it, it just means the no-questions-asked handouts leave them more cash to do other stuff. The second is immigrants who have not yet been given the handouts they expect and are not working. The third, and possibly the only near-genuine takers are those too uneducated to budget low incomes or benefits properly. In other words, they smoke 20 fags a day at £8 a packet, £56 a week then suddenly realize their kids are going hungry. Not because they have to, but via bad choices by those responsible for them.

 

[dunover]

Why is it people live in the past so much? As for the coal mines you seem to be referring to (bolded), as Dunover was saying a few minutes ago, why should a community be so reliable on 1 job or 1 industry - like Sheffield and their steel industry for example?

Yeah lets just blame 1 person for a group of people's own shortcomings. I'm not insensitive, really I'm not, but if I train for a job then years later that industry disappears should I then just sit on my arse and complain? Or do I get up and go and do something else?

Look, there's no telling self-pitying whining lefties. Their residual philosophy is that some third party, usually the state/taxpayer has to employ them, feed them, educate them, empty their bins, make their choices for them and pick up the pieces if they mess up. If they actually make some choices themselves, like having kids, the state should pay for that too. Someone else is always at fault. They bear no responsibility.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I believe me and dunover are going to have to respectfully agree to disagree on this issue.

(He's wrong though )

 

[dunover]

I believe me and dunover are going to have to respectfully agree to disagree on this issue.

(He's wrong though )

Quoted post mirrored by me too.

 

[societyofslots]

Maggie Thatcher R.I.P

Rest In xxxx

 

[chuchu59]

That wasn't funny. More respect please.

 

[societyofslots]

Unfortunatly I cant give any respect to a human being who's sole purpose in life is to tell other people how to live there lives. All politicans are nothing but lying sacks of crap, all out for themselves with not a care for anyone but themselves. They are selfish by design and dangerous by their actions..

respect - pfft - the only good politican is a dead one!

 

[chuchu59]

She's gone now and as a human being one should respect the deceased. You could have mounted a crusade against her while she was still here but let her rest in peace.

 

[dionysus]

She's gone now and as a human being one should respect the deceased. You could have mounted a crusade against her while she was still here but let her rest in peace.

er, according to whom? she'd dead, she doesnt care; she's either worm food or in a better (or worse) place and no matter which it is, she's past the point of caring.
I don't get the point of 'don't speak ill of the dead'..I understand, say, not at a funeral or near the near and dear, but in general...why?
If we love and honour someone, we start charities, foundations etc and I think everyone has a right to their opinion even past death, so why not bad ones too.
What, like 'Hitler was a monster'....'sssh, he's gone now...the dear just had his little quirks'. How you lived your life is how you're remembered, and in the case of public figures, long past their time on Earth. Good or ill, I don't see why someone should change their opinion because someone bit it..we all will.