Major Absolute Poker Issue

[Adanthar]

As far as all those "other" hand histories that have been posted, are they not all based on this email or only one sided incomplete data from pokertracker?

No, actually, a good chunk of them were emailed out from/by AP. I have two or three of those in my inbox right now...in fact, I'm forwarding you those right now to save valuable 'omg this is a hoax' time.

 

[pokerfun0000000]

Nice post to my reputation lots0: "Your a fu**ing moron" he says. BTW it's you're.

Ya I'm the moron, LOL. People have presented numerous pieces of evidence. Even a hand history showing all hole cards sent to them by AP. Yet you still need more. Cmon fess up what is your connection with AP? Why does it seem you have such a vested interest in their reputation?

 

[lots0]

I'm forwarding you those right now...

Thank you.

Can you comment on this excel thing?

If AP does not have excel installed for its employees, how could this file have been sent out by an AP employee in excel format?

 

[pokerfun0000000]

Thank you.

Can you comment on this excel thing?

If AP does not have excel installed for its employees, how could this file have been sent out by an AP employee in excel format?

HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THAT AP DOES NOT USE EXCEL????

See this is the type of insider $hit im talking about. This guy knows what programs that absolute poker uses internally but is not connected to them??

HA~

 

[lots0]

I know because I asked.

Also it has been brought up several times in this thread that I am in fact an affiliate of AP. I have never tired to hide my association with AP, as a matter of fact I do believe in my first or second comment in thread I mention that I am an affiliate of AP's. But I guess reading comprehension and cognitive thought is not your strong suit.

If you don't have anything intellegent to say or add to the conversation why don't you stfu and let the grown ups talk.

 

[Simmo!]

Keep the discussion adult please guys. Stop the personal crap public or private - it achieves nothing. If you disagree fine, but take the insults somewhere else unless you want a break.

Cheers

Simmo!

 

[GrandMaster]

Thank you.

Can you comment on this excel thing?

If AP does not have excel installed for its employees, how could this file have been sent out by an AP employee in excel format?

Even if they don't use Excel or files in Excel format at all, they may extract data from a database in Excel format for a player in the expectation that the player will have Excel or some other software such as OpenOffice that can read Excel files. Btw, how come you know so much about their internal computer systems?

 

[Adanthar]

Thank you.

Can you comment on this excel thing?

If AP does not have excel installed for its employees, how could this file have been sent out by an AP employee in excel format?

How the hell would I know if AP uses Excel or not? Why would I even care? FFS, where else would CrazyMarco, who's a random kid whose sole connection to this scandal was being cheated out of lots of money by a call with ten high heads up, have gotten this thing from? It doesn't even cover the final table or any of his own hands with Potripper.

Wanna do a blind test? Email 10 random addresses from that file. I bet they all go to legitimate boxes. Or did we make that up, too?

 

[happygobrokey]

if AP has some degree of guilt in this, something to hide, then maybe it makes sense that the person you asked might lie about them not having excel? who doesn't have excel? what do they do their accounting on? it's a business, it's excel. come on now.

 

[lots0]

Btw, how come you know so much about their internal computer systems?

Because I asked.

they may extract data from a database in Excel format for a player in the expectation that the player will have Excel

How can they format an excel file without the excel software? I don't think that is possible.

I don't use excel or any windows office software and I know a lot of folks in IT that don't.

 

[pokerfun0000000]

Keep the discussion adult please guys. Stop the personal crap public or private - it achieves nothing. If you disagree fine, but take the insults somewhere else unless you want a break.

Cheers

Simmo!

Fair enough Simmo, I will refrain from insults per your request.

The only problem I have, is that LOTS0 is coming off as an independent observer when he/she is not. The simple fact that he/she has a vested interest in the success or failure of absolute poker makes their statements pertaining to the case null and void.

 

[Simmo!]

Fair enough Simmo, I will refrain from insults per your request.

The only problem I have, is that LOTS0 is coming off as an independent observer when he/she is not. The simple fact that he/she has a vested interest in the success or failure of absolute poker makes their statements pertaining to the case null and void.

For what its worth, my opinion is that lots0 has been here some time and I've never seen him defending AP before this thread, or done anything remotely shill-like that I can remember, from memory at least, so I am not in agreement he has a vested interest, but its speculative and I dont agree with everything he's said - or the way he's said it

Anyway please continue, minus personal jibes

One further comment/piece of advice for everyone, not just you: if you are angry or emotional over another's post, step away, cool down for a bit, and consider a more dignified response that adds to the debate rather than takes it off-track. And by all means report the post.

 

[spearmaster]

How can they format an excel file without the excel software? I don't think that is possible.

Simple comma separated values are good enough for Excel.

Failing that, there are any number of tools that can read and write Excel files - many of them for free. OpenOffice would be one of them.

By the way, the IP address argument is invalid. The "shared" IP happens to be at a bar in Pavas named Zulu.

 

[lots0]

The only problem I have, is that LOTS0 is coming off as an independent observer when he/she is not. The simple fact that he/she has a vested interest in the success or failure of absolute poker makes their statements pertaining to the case null and void.

I never said I was an independent observer.

So what is your stake in this? Do you have anything of value riding on this? Or are you just talking out your ass?

I have a stake in this, first my reputation is on the line, then I have a business stake (it has been known to kill a business to promote a crooked casino or poker room). So I am involved no matter if I like it or not. So why are you here? Just to condemn or to find the truth?

I'm into finding out what the truth really is.

 

[lots0]

Simple comma separated values are good enough for Excel.

Have you seen this file? it is space delineated file.

By the way, the IP address argument is invalid. The "shared" IP happens to be at a bar in Pavas named Zulu.

Which argument is that?

 

[Mousey]

Simple comma separated values are good enough for Excel.

Failing that, there are any number of tools that can read and write Excel files - many of them for free. OpenOffice would be one of them.

By the way, the IP address argument is invalid. The "shared" IP happens to be at a bar in Pavas named Zulu.

I know I'm just supposed to keep my mouth shut and read to try and keep up with this stuff but --- what??

 

[Casinomeister]

...The only problem I have, is that LOTS0 is coming off as an independent observer when he/she is not. The simple fact that he/she has a vested interest in the success or failure of absolute poker makes their statements pertaining to the case null and void.

This is not necessarily true, and I wish people would quit ragging on others in this forum because of a possible "vested" interest.

When casinos that are listed on this site mess up, they are removed; the Fortune Lounge and Minivegas groups for instance. Let lots0 ask his questions and leave it be. If he's not convinced, he's not convinced. He's big enough to make his own decisions, so quit telling him what to do.

And why the she/he? If you know so much about him, why don't you address him properly.

Bottom line - keep the personal crap out of here. Thank you.

 

[spearmaster]

Have you seen this file? it is space delineated file.

A file with any delimiter, including a space, is fine for Excel.

Which argument is that?

Not yours, one posted by Adanthar implying that the Watchdog and Scott Tom were one and the same.

You know what, I'm not done with you yet, Scott.

Pokermachine:

Login Name: scotttom
Display Name:
Member Title:
Name Color:
Real Email Address: [edited]
Display Email Address:
Full Name:
Registration / First IP: 02/26/04 08:54 PM - 196.40.37.120
Last Post / IP: 06/22/07 06:32 PM - 196.40.67.178
Member Rating: Not Rated

The Watchdog:

Login Name: the watchdog
Display Name:
Member Title:
Name Color:
Real Email Address: [edited]
Display Email Address:
Full Name:
Registration / First IP: 08/14/07 01:51 PM - 196.40.67.178
Last Post / IP: 10/10/07 01:22 PM - 196.40.67.178

If you're not Scott, it might be best to find a new network to post from.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/major-absolute-poker-issue.19995/

 

[Adanthar]

Not yours, one posted by Adanthar implying that the Watchdog and Scott Tom were one and the same.

So those IP's were merely from the same bar? Good to know.

Okay, in that case, there's a good chance The Watchdog is not Scott Tom (but pokermachine obviously is and the two are clearly related somehow.) What I can tell you with 100% certainty is that the IP's in the file have been traced to Scott Tom's residential modem and that POTSLAMMER, whom The Watchdog defended on 2+2, was AJ Green. The emails and login names used for 2+2 give the latter away.

 

[Pinababy69]

I'll also contact the Wizard and Eliot Jackobson (who is a member of this forum) and see if they can look into this.

This is what I've wanted to happen for awhile now. I hope they're willing Bryan.

 

[Eliot Jacobson]

3.14 cents worth of contribution

Greetings,

I did get an email from Bryan suggesting I consider looking at this situation, and coincidentally I was reading the thread for the first time when the email arrived.

As I now understand it, Gaming Associates and Absolute Poker have come to an agreement about a security audit.

It is my belief in these types of situations that one should not be too quick to jump to a conclusion. This is not a question of non-payment or bonus play. Often programming and security errors are very difficult to find, even for a careful auditor. And, if and when errors are found, they are usually due to incompetence or negligence, and not malice. Finally, most decent companies will make some sort of restitution if an error is discovered and proven.

I don't know the specifics of this case very well, but the case now appears to be in good hands.

Regards,

Eliot

 

[The Watchdog]

Hello!!

I saw some serious post threating me to pay...

Is really amazing to see how people have become seriously focused and have believed I actually use different aliases on several forums...

Anyways, I dont have to convince anyone I am not who they think I am but for the people who have never come to Costa Rica, there is a pretty good explanation for the ip addresses and all that paranoid stuff that has been going around.

Gambling in Costa Rica

Probably along with Antigua, is the country with most gambling operations in the world.

If you have been here, you probably know that you cant walk a block without stepping into someone familiar. So, everybody knows everyone here.

Also, if you have been here you would know that since we are a small country, thousands of operations share the same building, sometimes the same floor... examples:

Mall San Pedro: Former house of BetonSports, also within the same building millenium, mvp, gibraltar, several casinos and poker sites shared probably same satellite connection.

Building no. X in Oficentro: House of companies such as Youwager.com, Bodog,com and the mostly beloved BetRoyal.com also The Dragon Room is located there among with probably 3 more poker sites and several casinos

Sabana Sur Building: House of industry leader BetCRIS.com, Bookmaker.com, Betmaker.com, eHorse among with casinos and pokersites as well. Most recently ActionPoker among with its twenty something brands and casinos moved just next to them.

Plaza Mayor: to mention some, Nine, sunset, Tropical poker and Jazz were part of the 2nd floor here.

If you check my ip history here at Casinomesiter, I guarantee you will find at least 100 different ip addresses

Anyways, I really dont care who thinks what, I have posted here for a while and will always respect this site as a reliable source for the online gambler on where to and where no to do buisness. Amazing forum which should be even more popular than 2+2, eog or therx.com

For those still having dillusions of my identity, come over Costa Rica, send me a PM at any time and will be more than glad to sit with you for a while enjoying a Heineken and talking about all the fucked up things that happens in this industry, which is incredible and one of my biggest passions but unfortunately with thousands of flaws...

Take it easy, I wont be posting more on this thread for to avoid pissed hot heads killing their liver. Feel free to PM me at any time.

 

[pokeraddict]

Fair enough The Watchdog, I never much believed you were the same as you have seen from earlier posts. There was only some relationship which I feel you have explained.

Because if they don't it looks like AP's lawyers will be paying you and a few others a visit...

Yeah reporting findings from another forum with my opinions stated clearly will get me sued by some offshore company that the U.S. courts would almost certainly consider a fraud. I'm shaking. In case you have not noticed I am not the accuser, just the messenger and I have made my opinions known as well.

Also there have been several other excel master hh's that have surfaced that AP apparently sent out. It looks like Adanthar is sending you some of those too.

I have seen Lots0 one other time defend AP in a thread where JerryG was quasi spamming his site over the BBJ Calvinhobbes hit. Lots0 accused me of having an agenda because I called AP rogue for all their retroactive changing of terms on bonuses and their changing of rakeback and affiliate pay on existing players including going from dealt to contributed and taking 5% off the top of all U.S. players for BS fees. I have also called them out all year, including the account seemingly associated with one of the accused, for all of their spam at 2+2. Of course he has posted in many other threads not relating to any of this and has been active here at CM.

 

[chuchu59]

Keyser I never pretended to be stupid. I did not pretend anything.

Who's depressed you idiot? Me that I hope to defeat ageing or you that you believe you stop existing after death? Therefore who is most optimistic and cheerful?

Oh, and your morons psychotherapists cannot heal anyone from depression, they are depressed themselves. Most people get depressed because of poverty or because they are ugly or old, and mainly because they believe they dont exist after death. Unless a cure is found for these, depression cannot be cured. You are the stupid ones who believe they can cure you.

Thodorisk,

Control yourself. You can argue till the day wears off but please dont insult others. Contrarian views are always welcome but restraint must be made in your choice of words on others.

 

[chuchu59]

Wow, you are still going at it huh?

Isnt it blatently obvious by now that this LOTSO character is someway connected to AP? Perhaps using a proxy to mask their real IP.

The evidence is clear and convincing idiot. Yes I have to call you an idiot, because it seems being civil with you goes nowhere.

Well, I dont think he is an idiot, just someone who requires a much higher standard of proof. No matter what people think or say, you have to remain civil, dont you think?