New Slot Announcement LIL' DEVIL by Big Time Gaming...

[Reelsoffun]

I thought the enhanced bonus buy was random, not how you’re describing?
I’m sure I have seen 7 back to back buys with no enhanced unless it’s been changed?
Seen 3 enhanced back to back as well.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Have you ever had a retrigger or a stack on it?

I'm starting to rack up a modestly decent number of features now, and I've yet to get a retrigger (scatters) on the dynamite round, and still haven't had a stack on any reel in the angel round. (i.e. 2 or 5 which would just be a retrigger, or 3/4 which make the multiplier stack and also retrigger.)

Even on 'just' £1 spins you could be sinking thousands and thousands into this thing before it kicked anything substantial back, the 20p spins I'm on have already racked up a few hundred in losses.

I note VS have capped it at £2 per play, which gives you an idea of where they're comfortable with their exposure to it being limited at!

Yes I’ve had both. Obv it can only REALLY go off on gates of hell feature.

I’ve had 4 retriggers in total on that 3 of which were on the angel reels but with the other reels not really doing enough to get the large number of ways, one of which did my only 1000x plus bonus. As I said above it only scraped that 1000x as well!! With a couple of extra lands on the other reels it could have really gone off but no such luck.

Had several retriggers in the multiplying round but again didn’t get the luck with the reels. But imo it’s the best one to take on the enhanced feature. Giving more consistent ‘medium/big’ wins (200-400x) than the barely different gates of hell enhanced.

At first I use to take gates of hell all the time but got so fed up with the enhanced bonus being pretty much no different that I switched to the other side. Of course this can obviously do fuck all but imo it gives you a better chance of recovering the inevitable (200-500x) loss on the build.

Many of the rediculous monster hits that can be found on YouTube are from normal gates of hell bonuses.

Yes despite playing the game to death I still don’t know the name of each of the features!!! Hence why I call the left hand one gates of hell!!

Think about it tho……. It’s so difficult to get multi retriggers on DHV GOH bonus, and that will pretty much top out at 1500-5000x. The top end of that only achievable if you get a miracle skull symbol on the first reel. Ramp that variance up for the possibility of achieving the same on little devil and it’s probably about 50 times less likely than danger is!!!

You’ve been so lucky sessioning a few of BTG’s other games hitting miracle bonuses in just a few days, that it’s skewed your ‘it’ll give me something back/decent hit eventually’ Lil Devil provides Litterally no base game and a brutal bonus hit rate whereby so many pay pretty much nothing. The monster hits really are as rare as the 20,000x plus hits on DOA2!!

Remember the game can be played on 10p stake away from videoslots!! Which I believe is min 20p????

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Yes I’ve had both. Obv it can only REALLY go off on gates of hell feature.

I’ve had 4 retriggers in total on that 3 of which were on the angel reels but with the other reels not really doing enough to get the large number of ways, one of which did my only 1000x plus bonus. As I said above it only scraped that 1000x as well!! With a couple of extra lands on the other reels it could have really gone off but no such luck.

Had several retriggers in the multiplying round but again didn’t get the luck with the reels. But imo it’s the best one to take on the enhanced feature. Giving more consistent ‘medium/big’ wins (200-400x) than the barely different gates of hell enhanced.

At first I use to take gates of hell all the time but got so fed up with the enhanced bonus being pretty much no different that I switched to the other side. Of course this can obviously do fuck all but imo it gives you a better chance of recovering the inevitable (200-500x) loss on the build.

Many of the rediculous monster hits that can be found on YouTube are from normal gates of hell bonuses.

Yes despite playing the game to death I still don’t know the name of each of the features!!! Hence why I call the left hand one gates of hell!!

Think about it tho……. It’s so difficult to get multi retriggers on DHV GOH bonus, and that will pretty much top out at 1500-5000x. The top end of that only achievable if you get a miracle skull symbol on the first reel. Ramp that variance up for the possibility of achieving the same on little devil and it’s probably about 50 times less likely than danger is!!!

You’ve been so lucky sessioning a few of BTG’s other games hitting miracle bonuses in just a few days, that it’s skewed your ‘it’ll give me something back/decent hit eventually’ Lil Devil provides Litterally no base game and a brutal bonus hit rate whereby so many pay pretty much nothing. The monster hits really are as rare as the 20,000x plus hits on DOA2!!

Remember the game can be played on 10p stake away from videoslots!! Which I believe is min 20p????

VS is 10p min, £2 max.

I had a good run on BTG for quite a while, and of course there was The Final Countdown mega-spawn, so I can't complain too much about catching it on the flip side. (Although I've had some wallops over the years as well, like Kingmaker taking £600 off me on 20p spins over a long weekend of slotting.)

The volatility on Lil Devil is so extreme that I'm mindful of how long it might keep me waiting for a properly big hit, especially if I keep choosing the Angel round for normal features - maybe I'll get bored with it and bail at some point, but my current intention is to camp it out.

I didn't bust out yesterday evening so I'll pick it up again this evening and see if I can get to the next enhanced feature, although I've only got £40 left. And then that'll be that until Friday once it's gone.

 

[geordiecolin]

I've got 4 hearts left at a 0.50p stake on LeoVegas which has taken probably 18 months to amass. I will go for the x5 side when I eventually get it. This will likely be the last time I play on the game as it's only ever been good to me once with a 1000x on a base bonus soon after it first came on the market ( surprise,surprise!)

 

[ritae]

Spent a few hours this morning buying bonuses on Lil Devil. For sure the multiplier side pays decent when you get 5 or 6 of a kind. The great thing about crypto you can play in different currencies like $CAD and $AUS so the bonuses are half the price. Great for testing!

On a side note, I am now £330,000 wagering away from getting my 'free' Rolex watch from the site with the numbers. Somehow I beat the Bandit.

The maximum bet is £20 on Lil Devil, but I think I will stick to £1, £5, and maybe £10 spins if I get the bankroll.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Latest deposit played to a bust out, at least this time I'm only about 12% adrift of RTP

I've decided this is stupid and I'm not going to do it anymore. It's not fun, I'll never make a withdrawal in a million years plugging away at this rotten bag of shit, and it's a total waste of money.

I'm going to revive things over at 3Dice and get sorted out with Mifinity so I can deposit there. I got in touch with Mifinity's support to sort out the issue with my authentication and they've fixed it, so I'll test the waters with lobbing some money into Mifinity and then getting it over to 3Dice.

Congratulations Lil Devil - you win!

I'll still play at VS, just not semi lottery style bollocks like this.

This session stats:

Final Lil Devil stats. No more!

 

[snorky510238]

Surely 15,000 spins is nowhere near enough to be able to pass judgment?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Surely 15,000 spins is nowhere near enough to be able to pass judgment?

It's plenty enough for me to know how I feel about playing any more Lil Devil I'm not making any claims or judgements whatsoever about the game's fairness, randomness, or RTP.

However this volatility profile is absolutely not for me and there comes a point where I think it's reasonable to throw in the towel, this game has taken hundreds of pounds off me on 20p spins, it hasn't managed a hit of any significance in lord knows how many bonus rounds, it has a base game that's a barren desert, and I realised this evening that chucking any more deposits at it is entering the realms of the silly.

Call me old fashioned but I like to enjoy my slotting, and Lil Devil isn't enjoyable, so I'm going to play other games at VS when I do deposit there, but the main thing I'm going to do is make a return to 3Dice.

In essence I'm just practising what I preach, my line in situations like this, and I've said it you snorky, is that if you think the game is bent, or you're not having fun, then just stop playing it. I don't think Lil Devil is bent, but I do think it has a psychotic maths model with insane variance, and I'm not having fun, so I'm going to stop playing it, and I'll play games I do enjoy instead

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Well I’ve just played bonanza on 60p and done £180 without getting a single cascade chance.

I mean ffs. 300x to not even get a chance of a feature?? Fuck Off.

You know when seeing an L on the screen is akin to winning the lottery you’ve been stuffed with yet another bent reel set!!!

Let’s see how much it wants just to give me that chance which we know is never landing.

 

[snorky510238]

Well I’ve just played bonanza on 60p and done £180 without getting a single cascade chance.

I mean ffs. 300x to not even get a chance of a feature?? Fuck Off.

You know when seeing an L on the screen is akin to winning the lottery you’ve been stuffed with yet another bent reel set!!!

Let’s see how much it wants just to give me that chance which we know is never landing.

The game’s a con. There is absolutely no way it plays anywhere near the same as it did.

There is even something in the programming that makes it impossible to hit 2 bonuses close together. Yeah, I know, it’s virtually impossible to hit one let alone two. The consecutive dead spins are relentless, it’s now a money pit of a game.

All since Evolution took over. So the little crooks got taken over by the biggest crooks in the Industry. It’s highly unlikely anything will ever come out but people are being cheated out of their money.

You’re not gambling, you’re have your money stolen from you illegally but there is no organisation worth a shit, that can stop it, or probably more likely, wants to stop it.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The game’s a con. There is absolutely no way it plays anywhere near the same as it did.

There is even something in the programming that makes it impossible to hit 2 bonuses close together. Yeah, I know, it’s virtually impossible to hit one let alone two. The consecutive dead spins are relentless, it’s now a money pit of a game.

All since Evolution took over. So the little crooks got taken over by the biggest crooks in the Industry. It’s highly unlikely anything will ever come out but people are being cheated out of their money.

You’re not gambling, you’re have your money stolen from you illegally but there is no organisation worth a shit, that can stop it, or probably more likely, wants to stop it.

Literally the last time I did stats tracking on Bonanza earlier this year, four features in 400 spins.

Or these ones here. Six scatters trigger followed by a four scatters 45 spins later, and two features in 50 spins.

I have other runs like that as well as I've kept all the stats tracking I've done on Bonanza, all done on the post-Evolution apparently 'bent' version of the game.

It's fine to decide you've had enough of a game, but why not just take it on the chin and walk away, which is what I'm doing with Lil Devil. You don't have to try and burn the whole building down on your way out.

Four features in 150 spins, including a five scatters.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Well I got my cascade chance in the end note the loss amount and time it took to butcher that 90x

Obv it didn’t land. But at least I got my entertainment. 390x for a chance of a feature!!!

 

[ritae]

A long session on Lil Devil, as I was playing at a UKGC place I'm sure the spins are slower now. The first three enhanced bonuses were terrible and I had to rely on visits to roulette to keep a balance as the base game was poor.

Deposited £1000, wagered £4600, withdrawn £1541.

The final bonus paid a nice profit with a 6 of a kind on a good symbol and helped by a re-trigger.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

A long session on Lil Devil, as I was playing at a UKGC place I'm sure the spins are slower now. The first three enhanced bonuses were terrible and I had to rely on visits to roulette to keep a balance as the base game was poor.

Deposited £1000, wagered £4600, withdrawn £1541.

The final bonus paid a nice profit with a 6 of a kind on a good symbol and helped by a re-trigger.

696x is decent but it's not amazing. The problem with Lil Devil is those monster pays it can do have to be accounted for in the RTP, so if you're not hitting 20,000x or 100,000x or whatever, then there are lord knows how many 500-1000x features that aren't in the mix to allow those huge wins to come out of the 96.4% RTP pool.

It's a valid maths model for an online slot to have, and if people want to carry on lumping away at it then good luck to them, but after 15,000 spins and not managing anything above what would be considered a routine sort of pay in an average 3Dice weekend of slotting, I decided I'd had enough

There are other BTG games I'd still consider playing when I deposit at VS, but Lil Devil is too far off the deep end for my money.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

First evening back at 3Dice after a break of ten months. I've hit 1000x stake already trying out one of the new games.

Probably not a game that's going to be a favourite of mine (it's a 'Book' style game), but can't argue with the pay. You can choose which symbol you want to be the expander (for a choice of volatility), the autoplayer selected the lady who is the third from highest pay. (I had the autoplayer configured to select a random symbol.)

50x stake for a 5OAK across the 20 reels winlines = 1000x stake.

Round finished at 1004x.

I sunk 20 hours of solid play, £550 on 20p spins, for a total of nearly 15,000 spins into Lil Devil and the best it managed was 381x.

Anyway, I appreciate this doesn't belong here really, so I shall now depart the Lil Devil thread. I'll do a write-up of the new games that 3Dice have on their books out on the forums like I've done for their previous last few releases.

 

[dunover]

50x stake for a 5OAK across the 20 reels = 1000x stake

Bloody hell! 20 reels - how did that size in your monitor or do you have a widescreen one?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Bloody hell! 20 reels - how did that size in your monitor or do you have a widescreen one?

I have gone back and corrected this to winlines

 

[johnnymcc1966]

This was the win I waited about 18 months for. 15 spins starting at x5 and it never got past x8. Utter filth and as bent as a ten pound coin.

 

[YouTubeSlots]

First evening back at 3Dice after a break of ten months. I've hit 1000x stake already trying out one of the new games.

Probably not a game that's going to be a favourite of mine (it's a 'Book' style game), but can't argue with the pay. You can choose which symbol you want to be the expander (for a choice of volatility), the autoplayer selected the lady who is the third from highest pay. (I had the autoplayer configured to select a random symbol.)

50x stake for a 5OAK across the 20 reels winlines = 1000x stake.

Round finished at 1004x.

I sunk 20 hours of solid play, £550 on 20p spins, for a total of nearly 15,000 spins into Lil Devil and the best it managed was 381x.

Anyway, I appreciate this doesn't belong here really, so I shall now depart the Lil Devil thread. I'll do a write-up of the new games that 3Dice have on their books out on the forums like I've done for their previous last few releases.

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There's no way you don't work for 3Dice, Just no way, haha

They have been admiring your 3Dice shillin on CM and decided to rig the servers for your account, to treat you to a nice 1000x win as a thank you for your continued support.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

There's no way you don't work for 3Dice, Just no way, haha

They have been admiring your 3Dice shillin on CM and decided to rig the servers for your account, to treat you to a nice 1000x win as a thank you for your continued support.

I appreciate your post is tongue-in-cheek (I've given it a ) but I make no apologies for reporting on 3Dice as I find it. I've been a player there for over a decade and it's consistently the best casino I've ever played at.

Where I think they deserve criticism, I'll criticise. My reviews of their last few games were not particularly positive, and in the case of Nine Lives I didn't even bother to review it because as I said, it's a low-effort, lower-RTP clone of the PnG slot Fire Joker. (Well, assuming you can find Fire Joker at 96% anymore, Nine Lives runs at 95%.)

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3Dice aren't magic, they're running random games with a house edge so you're going to lose money over time, I've done ~1.5m real money game rounds there over the years and I've basically lost the house edge, so you can work that out in terms of cash easy enough on 20-30p spins. (With some 50p/£1 spins in there.)

That said, if we accept that part of the deal of playing long-term at online casinos is going to be, y'know, losing money, then it's very important IMO how the rest of the operation is conducted, and in that regard 3Dice are industry-leading. They also have an active presence here on CM, and are accredited, which is a big plus in my book.

They've also never succumbed to any of the 'great evils' of the world of online slots, so no feature buys, no feature gambles, no 'enhanced spins', no extreme volatility games, no crazy maths like 1/460 feature frequency. RTP always 95%-96% on the slots. Basically, anything that folks here at CM tend not to like about online slots, 3Dice haven't done it.

As I put it in this post here:

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'Decent' site as in those that are dropping their RTPs any chance they get, where bonuses are non-existent (let alone EV+ ones like 3Dice give their members several times per month), do they have a sitewide progressive you can win at any time, do they have several monthly achievements that award cash on a 1xWR, do they have live chat employed directly by the casino online 24 hours per day (actual named individuals working a proper shift rota)|, never any hassle with cashouts which are always quick? Do you get an NDB every month? Birthday and holiday bonus perks? Loads of free tournaments with real cash prizes running throughout the month?

Yes please do tell me all about these 'decent sites' that I'm missing

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Where do I sign up???

 

[YouTubeSlots]

Nah don't get me wrong if I wasn't from the u.k I would give them a try as they have there own unique games and the loyalty schemes etc like you say seem very generous. Its just funny that you don't actually work there. When you clearly should be working for them at this point lbh.

I totally understand your point though, About how there not jumping on the scum bus like all the other casinos and shaving of rtp anywhere they can, Bonus buys etc.

Its just amusing to read how passionate you are about them and the level of detail you go into. Its a shame they haven't offered you a job or sent you a reward. I'm sure your praising of them year after year has gained them lots of new customers Just based on your self promotion of them.

Hopefully there rigging the servers with the wrench as we speak ready for your next session and to give you a healthy 2000x juicy win.

Or a cash lump sum or a free parker pen.

They need to give you something at this point imo it would be criminal not to.

 

[Jono777]

Hmmmm.....

 

[ritae]

£1.50 session tonight, the base game lost about half my deposit before the enhanced bonus came in. Multiple re-triggers and a £600 profit in the end.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

£1.50 session tonight, the base game lost about half my deposit before the enhanced bonus came in. Multiple re-triggers and a £600 profit in the end.

It's a solid win at 706x but well within the bounds of what far more sensible games can kick out. I'm not denying that Lil Devi can do the monsters, and depending on how many billions of spins RTP is achieved over, it's possible they don't even account for that much of the game's overall RTP.

The fact remains however that for a single 100,000x win to be in there, there are a hundred 1000x wins missing, two hundred 500x wins missing, and so on. Very nice if you pick the 100,000x ball out of the bag as it were, but there are 999 balls in there with zero on them to make up the difference.

Anyway, I played with fire, got burned, and have removed my appendages to gentler shores

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Nah don't get me wrong if I wasn't from the u.k I would give them a try as they have there own unique games and the loyalty schemes etc like you say seem very generous. Its just funny that you don't actually work there. When you clearly should be working for them at this point lbh.

I totally understand your point though, About how there not jumping on the scum bus like all the other casinos and shaving of rtp anywhere they can, Bonus buys etc.

Its just amusing to read how passionate you are about them and the level of detail you go into. Its a shame they haven't offered you a job or sent you a reward. I'm sure your praising of them year after year has gained them lots of new customers Just based on your self promotion of them.

Hopefully there rigging the servers with the wrench as we speak ready for your next session and to give you a healthy 2000x juicy win.

Or a cash lump sum or a free parker pen.

They need to give you something at this point imo it would be criminal not to.

I'll do anything for a Blankety Blank chequebook and pen

Anyway, my whole shtick is going on about things, I've made 90 minute YT videos about old fruit machines from the 1990s

Going back far enough to one of my earlier YT channels I'd do long sessions/reviews on the latest MG slots, back when the Viper client was still a thing.

In today's world of bland 'shop front' casinos which are basically just display cases for hundreds of games from loads of different providers, 3Dice are a far more interesting proposition in that they develop, host, and support their own games in a self-contained online casino ecosystem - so a bit more like those Viper client casinos of old.

Quick example is you only need to look at the number of threads there are at CM relating to stuck bonus rounds or other technical cock-ups, where the player is left to the mercy of the casino 'raising it' with the provider, for it to almost always result in some sort of entirely unsatisfactory and miserably oblique conclusion.

Email 3Dice's support address with a question and you'll get a proper answer from the people who actually wrote the game. Stuff like that matters to me. (Or for an immediate issue, just raise it in the 24/7 live chat, that 3Dice also run themselves with their own staff.)

End of the day we're setting fire to 4-5% of our stake every time the reels spin, that's kind of the unbreakable constant, so everything else the casino has control over is super important. And 3Dice get it right in every regard, so yeah, on a player-focussed community like CM, I have no problem with giving a shout-out to the good guys

 

[ritae]

It took me 2 hours and 10 minutes to collect the hearts tonight. The base game was brutal at £2 a spin, but I managed an £1165 bonus (582x), which left me in profit for the night.

Overall about £1400 down now on Lil' Devil this month

 

[ritae]

Finally, a purple heart win during the bonus. £729.

 

[ritae]

Finally some excitement, a double re-trigger brings in the big multipliers and decent wins. £5 bet this time around.

Start balance £5000, end balance £8080. Check the Bonanza thread for what happened next!

 

[The Viking]

Figure i do a little Devil session last night
$100 deposit down to 20 bux and 2 hearts left hit this in base game
Got the hearts soon after paid 80x

 

[viewsource]

If I find some time in the next week I will take a closer look at that and generate some stats. I think average number of spins to get heartstopper bonus along with median return of either bonus on normal and heartstopper would be interesting.

I started to do some work on this but got bored of it very quickly. One of the approaches for writing the simulator is you need to hit the relevant conditions in the game to figure out the code. I managed to sit through a few bonuses to get the relevant code but got so bored of the build up to heart stopper I gave up.

On a positive note - the client/server interaction has a fairly simple implementation so not too much effort if someone else fancies taking it on.

 

[ritae]

Finally hit something decent on Lil Devil during the bonus! £22,000 win with purple hearts across the screen and two multipliers.

Will post screenshots once I get paid by the place with the numbers.

 

[ritae]

All paid and in Nationwide this morning. Had to pay £249 in bank fees (Coinbase). The night started off with a £3000 deposit and managed to get up to £10k before taking on the 2 hour journey building the hearts up.

Not satisfied with the purple hearts I then stressed myself with another 1hr 40m the following night to build up again hitting the lizards in the bottle.

Total cashout was £50,000 and managed to get some good rakeback for this week. However, booting up the game this morning the game errors in GBP and can only play in EUR or USD.