New Slot Announcement LIL' DEVIL by Big Time Gaming...

[ChopleyIOM]

I had a very unimpressive extended session on this today. The stats below say it all really. Also, the 'enhanced' features can go fuck themselves, I had four of them, two of each, and they paid:

55x, 22, 35x and 28x

Total loss on the session was 700x (£140 on 20p spins), worst wait for a feature was nearly one hour, it hit a 50x stop trigger in the base game once (54x) and generally just pissed me off.

Whatever luck I was having on BTG has well and truly run out.

Also I'm questioning the sanity of this, Astro Bot for my PS5 cost £59.99p and so far I've had nearly 30 hours of top tier entertainment out of it, and I've not finished it yet (closing in on the final stages now though).

By comparison, Lil Devil cost me £140 in seven hours today, and quite frankly it never went much beyond somewhere between being annoying and mildly irritating.

The only vague saving grace was that my balance just about lasted long enough to collect the final heart for another wanky shitathon of an 'enhanced' free spins round, so at least I was able to draw a line under the entire miserable affair.

Overall, would not Lil Devil again, and I think I might need to rethink this entire strategy of getting involved with HV games, because waiting an hour to get mugged off by a 13x feature isn't my idea of a good time.

 

[snorky510238]

I had a very unimpressive extended session on this today. The stats below say it all really. Also, the 'enhanced' features can go fuck themselves, I had four of them, two of each, and they paid:

55x, 22, 35x and 28x

Total loss on the session was 700x (£140 on 20p spins), worst wait for a feature was nearly one hour, it hit a 50x stop trigger in the base game once (54x) and generally just pissed me off.

Whatever luck I was having on BTG has well and truly run out.

Also I'm questioning the sanity of this, Astro Bot for my PS5 cost £59.99p and so far I've had nearly 30 hours of top tier entertainment out of it, and I've not finished it yet (closing in on the final stages now though).

By comparison, Lil Devil cost me £140 in seven hours today, and quite frankly it never went much beyond somewhere between being annoying and mildly irritating.

The only vague saving grace was that my balance just about lasted long enough to collect the final heart for another wanky shitathon of an 'enhanced' free spins round, so at least I was able to draw a line under the entire miserable affair.

Overall, would not Lil Devil again, and I think I might need to rethink this entire strategy of getting involved with HV games, because waiting an hour to get mugged off by a 13x feature isn't my idea of a good time.

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When it comes to getting pissed off with BTG games, you’ve not even scratched the surface. Keep playing solid for another 6 years and then you might have some idea as to why the usual suspects post what they do about the shite these lot churn out. It’s quite possible to hit 10 sessions like that in a row, if not more. Their games just don’t play the way they use to do.

 

[mack341]

I had a very unimpressive extended session on this today. The stats below say it all really. Also, the 'enhanced' features can go fuck themselves, I had four of them, two of each, and they paid:

55x, 22, 35x and 28x

Total loss on the session was 700x (£140 on 20p spins), worst wait for a feature was nearly one hour, it hit a 50x stop trigger in the base game once (54x) and generally just pissed me off.

Whatever luck I was having on BTG has well and truly run out.

Also I'm questioning the sanity of this, Astro Bot for my PS5 cost £59.99p and so far I've had nearly 30 hours of top tier entertainment out of it, and I've not finished it yet (closing in on the final stages now though).

By comparison, Lil Devil cost me £140 in seven hours today, and quite frankly it never went much beyond somewhere between being annoying and mildly irritating.

The only vague saving grace was that my balance just about lasted long enough to collect the final heart for another wanky shitathon of an 'enhanced' free spins round, so at least I was able to draw a line under the entire miserable affair.

Overall, would not Lil Devil again, and I think I might need to rethink this entire strategy of getting involved with HV games, because waiting an hour to get mugged off by a 13x feature isn't my idea of a good time.

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I've only played to a final bonus about twice, it's gouged me to collect the hearts, with hardly any normal bonuses appearing, maybe 1 or 2.

Whereas when I used to watch the Bandit build a lil devil session, he'd be getting about 7 or 8, which protects the balance as the base game collecting hearts can stretch to a very long time.

It's near the bottom of my btg games to dabble on, they did another collect game based on a bank vault, royal mint or something, more like royal rip-off!

 

[mack341]

Plus if the video game is on a physical medium you can sell it on (not sure you can with digital downloads though?).

If you multiply 20p by 10 to make it £2, which many games used to use as the pre chosen stake, you're looking at £1400. That's serious gambling. £140 is bad enough, when that would pay 1/3 of a ps5, or a month's heating bill.

I think they need to raise rtp to 98%, give gamblers a bit more value/entertainment for money, the sheer number of profitable online firms tells me that it's doable.

 

[Kroffe]

I've only played to a final bonus about twice, it's gouged me to collect the hearts, with hardly any normal bonuses appearing, maybe 1 or 2.

Whereas when I used to watch the Bandit build a lil devil session, he'd be getting about 7 or 8, which protects the balance as the base game collecting hearts can stretch to a very long time.

It's near the bottom of my btg games to dabble on, they did another collect game based on a bank vault, royal mint or something, more like royal rip-off!

I still throw the last fiver on Lil devil every now and then.
Have collections on 3 casinos going, takes me forever to fill them of course but i much prefer that to grinding the slot.
I think ive only had 1 500x+ bonus, and it was from a normal one that retriggered.

I treat it the same as DoA2 pretty much, throw the odd fiver at it in the hopes of hitting that miracle 100 000x win.
Sure ill get it any day now.

 

[snorky510238]

One of the biggest problems is that there hasn’t been enough control over companies that are allowed to make games and regulate the quality, adequately.

Despite what is said, a games potential performance is maximised when high volumes of money are being played through the games. This is generally why, when games like DOA2 are released or any game for that matter, we see some big hits (everyone’s playing them). As their popularity decreases, so does their potential.

It wasn’t so noticeable for a long time because there were still relatively few games on the market so they were mostly getting some attention, obviously some were more popular than others but I expect most saw a bit of traffic.

Fast forward 4 or 5 years and the market is saturated. There literally aren’t enough players to fed all these games. That’s why I will never believe that games are random and here’s just one reason why.

You make a game with a max win of x20,000 for example. If it was genuinely random, some jammy sod comes along, plays it for £1 stake gets lucky and hits the max win. Let’s say it had made a couple of grand before that person hit. You’re still losing 18k. The game turns out to very unpopular and you don’t get much traffic through it. Let’s say you lost 10k. I don’t believe for a second that providers would be prepared to take that chance.

There are so many games on the market now, that money must be getting spread ridiculously thinly, which in turn leads to games playing like crap because the volume of money isn’t going through them, plus the rtp’s have been reduced so online gambling really is a waste of time, money and effort these days.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Plus if the video game is on a physical medium you can sell it on (not sure you can with digital downloads though?).

If you multiply 20p by 10 to make it £2, which many games used to use as the pre chosen stake, you're looking at £1400. That's serious gambling. £140 is bad enough, when that would pay 1/3 of a ps5, or a month's heating bill.

I think they need to raise rtp to 98%, give gamblers a bit more value/entertainment for money, the sheer number of profitable online firms tells me that it's doable.

I'm a full digital convert so I've haven't bought physical discs/media for years on either console or PC. Yes I have nothing to resell but I'm not bothered about that as I always tend to keep things anyway (I still have a Super Nintendo and Sega Megadrive boxed up under the stairs with a load of carts )

I had a quick look through my PS5 library last night and there's stuff like Ghost of Tsushima which I've had 121 hours playtime on, and loads of games with tens of hours of playtime, that I'll have been paying £50-£70 for if full price, or are included with my PS Plus sub, which costs around £100 per year.

This is what online slots are competing with for my time and money, I mean, I'm happy to just sit down and read a book of an evening, I bought a second hand paperback the other month from an Amazon Reseller (the book is out of print), that only cost me a fiver!

It's absolutely why I limit myself to small stakes when I play online, as you note yourself there mack, a 700x loss on £2 spins is £1400, yes I could afford that but it's way outside what I'd feel remotely comfortable with. Even watching £140 slowly dribble away like that was pretty miserable TBH, just because it feels like such a waste of money! My balance had already dropped £50 by the time the first feature came in and it was just death by a thousand cuts from there.

 

[mack341]

I'm a full digital convert so I've haven't bought physical discs/media for years on either console or PC. Yes I have nothing to resell but I'm not bothered about that as I always tend to keep things anyway (I still have a Super Nintendo and Sega Megadrive boxed up under the stairs with a load of carts )

I had a quick look through my PS5 library last night and there's stuff like Ghost of Tsushima which I've had 121 hours playtime on, and loads of games with tens of hours of playtime, that I'll have been paying £50-£70 for if full price, or are included with my PS Plus sub, which costs around £100 per year.

This is what online slots are competing with for my time and money, I mean, I'm happy to just sit down and read a book of an evening, I bought a second hand paperback the other month from an Amazon Reseller (the book is out of print), that only cost me a fiver!

It's absolutely why I limit myself to small stakes when I play online, as you note yourself there mack, a 700x loss on £2 spins is £1400, yes I could afford that but it's way outside what I'd feel remotely comfortable with. Even watching £140 slowly dribble away like that was pretty miserable TBH, just because it feels like such a waste of money! My balance had already dropped £50 by the time the first feature came in and it was just death by a thousand cuts from there.

My xbox one won't boot up properly, I got 7 months usage but it was even playing up then, I was doing a factory reset every other day. (Mostly that was spent on the 360 version of dark souls that came free with dark souls 2, it was a v.good game but not pushing the hardware, so I must rank high in not getting the most out of a console purchase! )

Never had any hardware issues with my sega megadrive, so I'm sure the constant updates on xbox is an extra vulnerability for crashing hardware.

I think the sega is hiding somewhere in my parent's loft, and looking at the prices the secondhand shop wants for games etc..might be worth a couple of hundred at least then to piss that away on rhino or Bonanza would be a bit of a choker!

If there is a problem with your console, are digital downloads preserved in your Microsoft account I wonder, so if you buy a new console or have the harddrive replaced as part of the repair process, can you reload your paid for digital games?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

My xbox one won't boot up properly, I got 7 months usage but it was even playing up then, I was doing a factory reset every other day. (Mostly that was spent on the 360 version of dark souls that came free with dark souls 2, it was a v.good game but not pushing the hardware, so I must rank high in not getting the most out of a console purchase! )

Never had any hardware issues with my sega megadrive, so I'm sure the constant updates on xbox is an extra vulnerability for crashing hardware.

I think the sega is hiding somewhere in my parent's loft, and looking at the prices the secondhand shop wants for games etc..might be worth a couple of hundred at least then to piss that away on rhino or Bonanza would be a bit of a choker!

If there is a problem with your console, are digital downloads preserved in your Microsoft account I wonder, so if you buy a new console or have the harddrive replaced as part of the repair process, can you reload your paid for digital games?

Famous last words but I've been all-digital for years and never had a problem with losing access to anything.

In PC terms I was on Steam right from the beta for Half Life 2, so you're basically going back twenty years in that case. On console I transitioned to digital in the XBox 360 era and from the PS4/XB1 onwards haven't bought a single physical disc.

In the case of Steam, even where games can no longer be bought, I still have them in my library and can reinstall them on a new PC or additional PCs. For example Outrun 2 Coast 2 Coast was delisted for sale years ago as Sega's licence on Ferrari expired, however I bought it back in the day and it's still there in my library and I can install it at will and play it.

Basically everything is linked to your account, be it on Steam, or XBox, or Playstation, or Switch, or whatever. So when I got my PS5, for example, I logged into it with with my PSN account, and my entire games library of everything I'd bought on PS4 was all there and available to install.

There's a whole different debate around games having their online servers turned off, or activation servers turned off, and that sort of thing, which makes digital preservation a real issue, but it's not something I bother losing any sleep over, mostly because I can't do fuck all about it.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

34 hours of top-class entertainment from one of the finest videogames I've ever played for £59.99, puts those £150 online casino deposits I've been making recently into sharp perspective.

Even though it says 100% complete there I think I'm going to continue and get the platinum trophy, which isn't something I generally ever bother with, but for this game it'd be nice to spend a bit more time in its world and comprehensively finish absolutely everything.

 

[snorky510238]

34 hours of top-class entertainment from one of the finest videogames I've ever played for £59.99, puts those £150 online casino deposits I've been making recently into sharp perspective.

Even though it says 100% complete there I think I'm going to continue and get the platinum trophy, which isn't something I generally ever bother with, but for this game it'd be nice to spend a bit more time in its world and comprehensively finish absolutely everything.

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Did you ever play the Ratchet and Clank games on PS 2? 1, 2 and 3 were amazing for the time and were remastered for the PS 3.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Did you ever play the Ratchet and Clank games on PS 2? 1, 2 and 3 were amazing for the time and were remastered for the PS 3.

Oddly enough no, I had a PS1 and PS2, skipped the PS3 and then got back on board for PS4 (with a PS4 Pro) and now PS5. I've primarily been a PC gamer over the years but playing on consoles for stuff that you can't get anywhere else, or suits a console better. (I always have whatever the current Nintendo console is, for example, as they have fantastic exclusives you can't play on anything but Nintendo hardware.)

Not sure why I never played a Ratchet & Clank game previously, but I got Ratchet & Clank A Rift Apart for my PS5 and loved it to pieces, and 100% completed it.

I tend to gravitate towards PC for certain genres, FPS for example because I'm completely cack-handed at FPS games with a gamepad and need keyboard + mouse for that. Plus there are some things a PC can do that the consoles just can't, Cyberpunk 2077 with the all the ray-tracing turned on for example.

My current PC can't do this as you really need an RTX4090, and I'm still on an RTX3080 (which is no slouch itself!), but I'm hanging on for the 5xxx cards which are due to be released in the next few months, and then I'll get a whole new PC next year.

 

[johnnymcc1966]

34 hours of top-class entertainment from one of the finest videogames I've ever played for £59.99, puts those £150 online casino deposits I've been making recently into sharp perspective.

Even though it says 100% complete there I think I'm going to continue and get the platinum trophy, which isn't something I generally ever bother with, but for this game it'd be nice to spend a bit more time in its world and comprehensively finish absolutely everything.

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I'd prefer to lose the £60 on a deposit playing Big Time Loser games.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I'm nothing if not an optimistic moron, so let's chuck another 809x at this miserable bastard!

The goal for this session is to beat an RTP of 83.79%......

£150 deposit, with the rest of the balance from Clash of Spins and Weekend Booster.

The only way is up! Possibly.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well there's a start, two features within 100 spins, and the second paid 325x, most of it from this nice reel setup.

A smarter man than me would take the raise and move onto something else, but I'm far too stupid for that.

The 6OAK for the purple symbol on this one isn't too bonkers, being only twice that of a 5OAK, although it still would have been nice to see one on reel 6.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Brutal game lil devil but it can deliver.

Average cost in my experience (and I played it a lot on release on min stake) is about 200-500 x for the build.

If you don’t hit those features on the way up the game does very little else in the base. The very rare double wild land aside.

I always go gates of hell feature on the build but the multiplier one on the enhanced.

The purple hearts hardly ever landing on the enhanced gates of hell anyway, making it pretty much a normal feature.

I believe the reel analysis thread on this suggested the very same.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Brutal game lil devil but it can deliver.

Average cost in my experience (and I played it a lot on release on min stake) is about 200-500 x for the build.

If you don’t hit those features on the way up the game does very little else in the base. The very rare double wild land aside.

I always go gates of hell feature on the build but the multiplier one on the enhanced.

The purple hearts hardly ever landing on the enhanced gates of hell anyway, making it pretty much a normal feature.

I believe the reel analysis thread on this suggested the very same.

Yeah I think I might switch out to always going for the Dynamite (multiplier) choice for the enhanced round. The Angel (wild) feature so often dicks you off with a premium symbol that adding in a purple heart that never lands anyway almost feels like rubbing salt into the wound.

The psycho pays on this will most likely come from the Angel round with the evolved stacks in the middle, but the Dynamite round feels a bit more reliable for kicking a bit of something back.

 

[ritae]

Rarely take the multiplier side of the enhanced bonus as I thought the biggest wins were on the other side?

After my disappearing hearts saga this week I might find another casino to grind Lil Devil this weekend.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Yeah the monster wins are from the left hand side one of course. But many of those are just from the normal bonuses. The enhanced isn’t that more enhanced.

With the other you get a fairly juiced up start and I think this adds more value.

But it’s always the left hand side during build for me. Praying that it goes off!!! I sessioned it loads at the start, it’s so difficult to get a retrigger because of the amount it ‘can’ start paying but if you can get a couple on the go the potential is huge.

As I’ve said before it’s about the only game that the famous BTG ‘potential’ lives up to its name. But it’s fucking brutal on the balance!!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well amazingly, it ended up a worse session than last time, and that's another £150 I won't see again, with a total of 809x being lost between last night and this morning.

After a good start it was resolutely one way traffic. The enhanced features failed to deliver again, and with a succession of bad normal features that were taking too long to come in, the end result was inevitable.

Also don't rely on the base game to even remotely save you on this, despite the 'potential' of those double stacked wilds, I've not seen them do anything of note in a total of over 9000 spins. What it does like to do however, is drop in two meaty wilds on one spin, like a x8 and a x12, that miss completely, and then on the very next spin drop in an assortment of symbols that would have paid handsomely if they'd landed on the previous spin with the wilds. Oh BTG, you tinkers!

Only two base game wins of over 50x stake so far, 54x and 77x.

Here are last night's stats (first two pics), followed by my overall stats so far on Lil Devil (third pic).

The mistake I made last week was redepositing to play Lil Devil after White Rabbit fucked me over. I won't be doing that this week so Lil Devil will have to wait until next Friday now.

For a final kick in the nuts I got a Wheel of Jackpots which I spun and it awarded me 75 free spins on something that I didn't pay much attention to as the free spins then always appear in the 'My Prizes' section, but they haven't appeared. So I lost my 75 free spins, I didn't even note what game they were supposed to be on, and I'd turned Bandicam off by then.

Oh well.

What did I win? It's a mystery!

 

[Jono777]

Realise you're probably not too fussed but support will be able to see their end what you were supposed to get, if not totally replace the Wheel for you.

Could be pointless but amongst the rubbish in the main, I've had a few £15-£20 returns from the FS which could add as a nice little 'top up' for your next Friday's session maybe?

 

[justdoit]

bonus buy on Lil devil is €17 every 3rd bonus you get super bonus, I thing is not worth spin this game any more

 

[ritae]

Didn't think of that, so on average, for £60, I could buy an enhanced bonus?

I see that UK sites are still allowing £10 spins on Lil Devil, I thought new rules capped things at £5 for us older folk?

 

[justdoit]

Didn't think of that, so on average, for £60, I could buy an enhanced bonus?

I see that UK sites are still allowing £10 spins on Lil Devil, I thought new rules capped things at £5 for us older folk?

sometime I get it on first bonus buy, but many times on 3rd 4rd bonus buy

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Realise you're probably not too fussed but support will be able to see their end what you were supposed to get, if not totally replace the Wheel for you.

Could be pointless but amongst the rubbish in the main, I've had a few £15-£20 returns from the FS which could add as a nice little 'top up' for your next Friday's session maybe?

I did consider that but can't really be bothered Even though 75 spins should have a modest amount of value attached to them.

The wheel is a right arsehole, clearly designed to do excruciating very near misses almost every time for the cash prizes or jackpots

 

[viewsource]

Brutal game lil devil but it can deliver.

Average cost in my experience (and I played it a lot on release on min stake) is about 200-500 x for the build.

If you don’t hit those features on the way up the game does very little else in the base. The very rare double wild land aside.

I always go gates of hell feature on the build but the multiplier one on the enhanced.

The purple hearts hardly ever landing on the enhanced gates of hell anyway, making it pretty much a normal feature.

I believe the reel analysis thread on this suggested the very same.

If I find some time in the next week I will take a closer look at that and generate some stats. I think average number of spins to get heartstopper bonus along with median return of either bonus on normal and heartstopper would be interesting.

 

[Jono777]

I did consider that but can't really be bothered Even though 75 spins should have a modest amount of value attached to them.

The wheel is a right arsehole, clearly designed to do excruciating very near misses almost every time for the cash prizes or jackpots

Indeed it is.

When they first became available for random awards, they did seem to be quite fair and actually did land on the cash prizes, a good while back but I had £50 and £100 a couple of times.

I'm not really a gambling man but with 99% certainty bet my last quid that the math behind these wheels has been tampered with badly.

In relation to Lil Devil (don't play it anymore) I hit 1,000x + with the multiplier enhanced feature very first build. As slots don't have memories, this one must have reverted to the old pen and notepad as ever since it was 30x or below.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I have no idea why I'm doing this either.

ONWARD TO VICTORY!

At least it's remembered my hearts from last week.

 

[johnnymcc1966]

I've got 4 hearts left at a 0.50p stake on LeoVegas which has taken probably 18 months to amass. I will go for the x5 side when I eventually get it. This will likely be the last time I play on the game as it's only ever been good to me once with a 1000x on a base bonus soon after it first came on the market ( surprise,surprise!)

 

[dunover]

I've got 4 hearts left at a 0.50p stake on LeoVegas which has taken probably 18 months to amass. I will go for the x5 side when I eventually get it. This will likely be the last time I play on the game as it's only ever been good to me once with a 1000x on a base bonus soon after it first came on the market ( surprise,surprise!)

@ChopleyIOM doesn't get out of bed for less than 5400x though.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

This fucking game.

9x bonus, of which 6x was the trigger. The premium symbols being picked as the wild on this bonus ALL THE FUCKING TIME can absolutely go and suck a dick.

 

[mack341]

I've started a quest on Ladbrokes, so far it's been shitty, not one bonus and I've got to about 7 hearts on each side, only playing 10p but down 200x and only had 2 chances so far of landing a bonus

Will resume next week, but I think the pattern of play/luck is locked in when you first load the game, so I'm not expecting my bonus frequency to improve across sessions.

 

[snorky510238]

This fucking game.

9x bonus, of which 6x was the trigger. The premium symbols being picked as the wild on this bonus ALL THE FUCKING TIME can absolutely go and suck a dick.

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Bloody random slots, they are a bugger.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

First time I've ever got the 9!

It worked out incredibly well. As you can see.

 

[TheAddict]

Come Christmas it'll be Snorks telling Chops to chill with the rigged accusations ;p

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Now those are some ugly session stats.

At one point you can see I actually had a good run of features in terms of frequency, but they dribbled out with awful pays.

I'm only sticking with this out of sheer bloody-mindedness at this point, there is no pretence of this being even remotely enjoyable or entertaining, it's just a gruelling slog that I largely leave to do its own thing on my PC whilst I do something that's actually fun on my PS5.

I'll give it one deposit a week until it finally kicks something back.

Best basegame hit remains 77x in 11,452 spins.

And of course that means that my overall RTP on this slot has decreased further.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I've started a quest on Ladbrokes, so far it's been shitty, not one bonus and I've got to about 7 hearts on each side, only playing 10p but down 200x and only had 2 chances so far of landing a bonus

Will resume next week, but I think the pattern of play/luck is locked in when you first load the game, so I'm not expecting my bonus frequency to improve across sessions.

It's a preposterous maths model for an online slot. What I think is telling is that back in the day of the Viper MG Casino, they never did anything even remotely close to this in terms of volatility, even though there was nothing stopping them. The original incarnation of Immortal Romance was about as spicy as it got, with its billions to one five-reel Wild Desire paying 11,000x stake or whatever it was.

Similarly with 3Dice, there is nothing within a million miles of stuff like Lil Devil on their books. Their 'Gold Plus' volatility model slots, which they mark out specially and make you click through a warning to play, are like being tickled on the tummy by a fluffy teddy bear compared to Lil Devil.

And the reason for that is obvious, the MG Viper Casino back in the day, and 3Dice over the years (up to the present day) are 'closed shop' casinos. They want, and need, the players to lose their money, but ideally that happens slowly over time, and keeps them coming back for more because they want the repeat business, better to take £100 off a player every month for five years, than £1000 over a weekend and piss them off so much that they never play again.

However when it comes to 'shop window' casinos (which is what they all are these days, pretty much), with so many providers clamouring for attention and money, this is far more skewed to taking as much money as possible, as quickly as possible.

Look at somewhere like Tombola, yeah I know they're not exactly the most hi-tech games, but again, they develop all their own stuff and work on a high RTP, low variance model that doesn't seek to leave their players feeling like they've just been kicked in the bollocks, because that's not a good long-term customer service model.

I've made my peace with my quest on Lil Devil, it does at least have a solid RTP, and eventually it's going to spit out a big win, although with each passing week the chances of me ever getting my money back, let alone into profit, fade further away - but given enough time it'll cough something back.

At that point I'll reassess the landscape I think, I'm starting to feel quite wistful about the long extended sessions I regularly got at 3Dice, maybe a return to those days might be in order!

 

[ritae]

A couple of enhanced bonuses from Lil Devil on Thursday and Friday night. The first build took around 1 hour and 10 minutes and the second close to 2 hours.

Ended up £35 and will try a few bigger stakes once I get my monthly rake-back.

 

[dunover]

A couple of enhanced bonuses from Lil Devil on Thursday and Friday night. The first build took around 1 hour and 10 minutes and the second close to 2 hours.

Ended up £35 and will try a few bigger stakes once I get my monthly rake-back.

First one is a last-spin saviour if I ever saw one...

 

[mcgameboy]

First one is a last-spin saviour if I ever saw one...

LAST SPIN NO WIN!!! Or so someone once told us.....can't remember who it was that said that.

Oh hold on.....things are coming back to me

It was some geezer.....old.....at least Arthur Century old.....and uhm.....oh yeah, he was DEFINITELY one of those from the "better out than in" school of thought, given his propensity to burp and fart almost on command.
Clearly a fan of baked beans and bran flakes. And also egg, unfortunately.

Man did he do some humdingers in his day.
I mean the sort that could empty a room in seconds, due to it being a public health hazard.
They don't make 'em like Armitage Shanks anymore, let me tell you.
That stuff could endure foul, smelling stenches that you wouldn't even fucking dare to believe....

Anyhow, this ability he had was so great, he REALLY should have entered the UK Rectum Of The Year competition.
Might have given Fearne Cotton and Sean Lock a run for their money....and maybe even Diego Maradona, if he had won the UK competition to qualify for the Worlds in Cancun.

What am I talking about? He'd have fucking bodybagged the lot of them.
AND set off all the sprinklers to boot.
It would have been a scene of absolute carnage, so it would.

But I digress. Other things are coming back to me.

Jack, Queen, King. Jack, Queen, King.
Fucking bogus wilds. Oh look, another bogus wild above reel 2, FACKOFF!!
NO, NO, NO, NOOOOOOO, NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
First spin...DEAD SPIN! Eleven spins to go. The feature is fucked already....DOOMED!!!
HELLO VIEWERS!!!!!
That feature was faecal, execrable, a proper fisting, you fuckpig, you bastard, you FUCKING RAPING ORANGE BASTID!!!
What you want, you annoying little furball. FACK ORFFFF!!
OHHHHHH THE FEATURE HAS COME IN!!! IT'S COME IN!!!! WOULD. YOU. BE. LIEVE. IT?*
'Ang on, I gotta roll a fag before I start the feature. Right, let's go.

* Well...yes I would actually, because for all his incessant, histrionic whining (which made him look even less mature than Kevin The Teenager), he was SUUUUUUUCHHHHHHH A SPAWNY TWAT.

CLEARLY ONE OF THE CHOSEN FEW WITH THE AFFILIATE RTP. NO TINFOIL HAT REQUIRED.

I'm sorry, what was the question again?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I'm going to take it off-guard with an unexpected Sunday evening deposit. BTG won't see this one coming.

Not many hearts to go for my next BIG ENHANCED FEATURE (LOL) either.

It can't keep up its prior miserable fucking antics forever.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

A feature in just 14 spins! Perhaps my luck is turning!

LOL.

 

[Jono777]

I'm going to take it off-guard with an unexpected Sunday evening deposit. BTG won't see this one coming.

Not many hearts to go for my next BIG ENHANCED FEATURE (LOL) either.

It can't keep up its prior miserable fucking antics forever.

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Be careful, it can and most likely will.

However good luck and when you get the enhanced side maybe worth trying the multiplier side.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well it's not a monster, but in the current climate, I'll take it!

381x round total from the enhanced dynamite feature, the double wilds actually working for once with some premium 6OAKs.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well what a fucking shocker. After getting that 381x from the enhanced round, I then didn't get a SINGLE BONUS for the entire climb to the next enhanced round (all 40 hearts), and my balance dropped 544x in the process, over the course of 85 minutes. (So on a straight £100 deposit, on 20p spins, I'd have bust out without a single bonus.)

I've been playing online slots for a long time and I haven't seen anything remotely close to the insane maths models that BTG have on their HV slots.

In fairness the enhanced bonus paid sort of OK (192x), but it really is two steps forward and then three steps back.

Endpoint from the previous bonus, note my balance of £167.39p

Start of the next bonus, which was after collecting all 40 hearts, with no normal bonuses in-between. Balance at this point has dropped 544x to £58.69p.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

It will often do no or just 1 bonus on the climb to all hearts.

I remember doing a build on min stake (10p) on other sites and not hitting a single feature and being just over £60 down(600x remember!)

Before I got the enhanced I switched to 20p thinking it can’t be that bad again!!

It then did the next build without a feature again. The loss was significant but not as bad as before but still around the 400x mark but only thanks to a double wild land in the base which was just shy of 200x (still to date my biggest base hit) and believe me I’ve dwarfed chops play through on it so far.

I then moved up to 30p and the feature finally landed about 3 hearts in. Which predictably paid fuck all.

Remember this is the only BTG game that can REALLY pay.

I think you’re underestimating its brutality. But if anybody can u can.

I go back to it now and again for a build on 10/20p knowing the likelyhood is that I’m losing 2-300x 8 or 9 times out of 10.

I remember losing £75-£100 a day on just 10p going round a few times when it was first out.

Only ever had 1 win over 1000x and it only just made it.

Fuck knows how people afford to play this stuff on £1/£2 let alone higher. I know I’d be very close to 6 figures down on it if I had.

 

[snorky510238]

I've been playing online slots for a long time and I haven't seen anything remotely close to the insane maths models that BTG have on their HV slots.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

It will often do no or just 1 bonus on the climb to all hearts.

I remember doing a build on min stake (10p) on other sites and not hitting a single feature and being just over £60 down(600x remember!)

Before I got the enhanced I switched to 20p thinking it can’t be that bad again!!

It then did the next build without a feature again. The loss was significant but not as bad as before but still around the 400x mark but only thanks to a double wild land in the base which was just shy of 200x (still to date my biggest base hit) and believe me I’ve dwarfed chops play through on it so far.

I then moved up to 30p and the feature finally landed about 3 hearts in. Which predictably paid fuck all.

Remember this is the only BTG game that can REALLY pay.

I think you’re underestimating its brutality. But if anybody can u can.

I go back to it now and again for a build on 10/20p knowing the likelyhood is that I’m losing 2-300x 8 or 9 times out of 10.

I remember losing £75-£100 a day on just 10p going round a few times when it was first out.

Only ever had 1 win over 1000x and it only just made it.

Fuck knows how people afford to play this stuff on £1/£2 let alone higher. I know I’d be very close to 6 figures down on it if I had.

Have you ever had a retrigger or a stack on it?

I'm starting to rack up a modestly decent number of features now, and I've yet to get a retrigger (scatters) on the dynamite round, and still haven't had a stack on any reel in the angel round. (i.e. 2 or 5 which would just be a retrigger, or 3/4 which make the multiplier stack and also retrigger.)

Even on 'just' £1 spins you could be sinking thousands and thousands into this thing before it kicked anything substantial back, the 20p spins I'm on have already racked up a few hundred in losses.

I note VS have capped it at £2 per play, which gives you an idea of where they're comfortable with their exposure to it being limited at!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Also the thing I've been most disappointed in I think, is the lack of hits in the basegame, I had some hope that those wilds would do a bit more work on at least a semi-regular basis to take some of the sting out of the tail of the waits for features, and how shit they can pay.

I appreciate there's only so much RTP to go around, but I think they could have balanced it out a bit more with a donation of some RTP to 50-200x basegame hits that'd keep you going a bit better.

 

[Greigssy]

The enhanced bonus climb is not worth the effort, I played this constantly for years and it generally cost around a 300-500x bet loss per 40 hearts without any bonus triggers and pays no more than a standard bonus and a lot of times less due to no scatters triggering it.

Buying bonuses at a crypto site was a real eye opener, the first three buys are standard bonuses then the enhanced bonus is triggered on the forth buy and after that enhanced bonus is triggered every second buy all at a cost of 85xbet per buy.
Which tells me there is nothing really enhanced about the bonus at all if it can be triggered so frequently and at the same cost.

Of the four 'enhanced bonuses' I bought one was around 40x and the rest were between 3-10x bet, every standard bonus paid better. Playing at minimum bet a with 40 euro balance, before I bust out, I managed to buy 10 bonuses in all.