Non-Bonus Complaint ...Let The Fun Begin - Re: Banned States & MG

[winbig]

OMG I am so P**SED RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS RIDICULOUS! I LIVE IN PENNSYLVANIA, NOT NEW JERSEY.

I'm an innocent bystander! I think the way MG is going about this is ALL WRONG. They are apparently using IP address information from ARIN (www.arin.net), and going solely by where the company that the IP's are registered to is. That has NOTHING to do with where I am PHYSICALLY located.

Hi Brian !

In light of the recent changes in US legislation, the Jackpot Factory casino group has decided to stop taking
bets from players residing in the following states, as determined by the player's IP address:

* Kentucky, Illinois, Indiana, Louisiana, Michigan, Nevada, New Jersey, New York,
Oregon, Utah, South Dakota, Washington and Wisconsin.
* Unfortunately, your IP address traces to New Jersey,
and on Tuesday, November 4th, your account will be blocked.
* Please note that the casino will conduct a manual withdrawal for any remaining funds in your casino cash
account at the start of the next work week. The Jackpot Factory prides itself on its honesty and integrity,
so please rest assured that you will receive your outstanding funds.
* If you do not actually reside in New Jersey, please forward a valid picture ID with current address
(such as a driver's license) to us at [email protected].
* If you do not actually reside in New Jersey, please forward a valid picture ID with current address
(such as a driver's license) to us at [email protected].

Thank you for understanding in this matter.

All the best,

David Brickman

A Jackpot Factory Casino

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OrgName: Cellco Partnership DBA Verizon Wireless
OrgID: CLLC
Address: 180 Washington Valley Road
City: Bedminster
StateProv: NJ
PostalCode: 07039
Country: US

NetRange: 75.192.0.0 - 75.255.255.255
CIDR: 75.192.0.0/10
NetName: WIRELESSDATANEWORK
NetHandle: NET-75-192-0-0-1
Parent: NET-75-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: CARKDNS.VZWDOMAIN.COM
NameServer: NJBRDNS.VZWDOMAIN.COM
Comment:
RegDate: 2006-01-18
Updated: 2007-01-22

OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE716-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Abuse
OrgAbusePhone: +1-908-306-7000
OrgAbuseEmail: [email protected]

OrgTechHandle: MGE16-ARIN
OrgTechName: George, Matt
OrgTechPhone: +1-800-770-1779
OrgTechEmail: [email protected]

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2008-10-30 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.

 

[babs7262]

I knew this was going to happen. This is just the beginning. RTG will no doubt follow suit in the future. How the heck is your IP a NJ trace anyway?

 

[Westland Bowl]

I guess MG doesn't want to be charged on a technicality that gambling bytes are being routed through servers based in a banned state even though the player lives in an allowable state.

Those living close to the banned states would have to switch to ISPs that have servers within their allowable state. It works the other way too; those who live in any of the banned states can get an ISP with servers in an allowable state- but come the time to withdrawal, they may have a problem with the documentation requirements.

 

[winbig]

I knew this was going to happen. This is just the beginning. RTG will no doubt follow suit in the future. How the heck is your IP a NJ trace anyway?

I travel frequently, so I use what's basically a 'wireless modem' for my Internet access, through Verizon. I can be online anywhere in the country that I can get a Verizon signal.

Since it works on any computer that I plug it into, I use it for access at home, too. That way I don't have to pay for two Internet providers.

You'd be surprised at how many innocent people are going to be affected by this method of blocking users. Especially when it comes to the national ISP's....I could almost guarantee that a lot of Kentuckians or other people in other banned states are going to get around the blocks, simply because whichever address their ISP's IP addresses are registered to point to a different state altogether.

Local ISP's are going to be affected, but if you use a national ISP, chances are you're either SOL, or very lucky.

Here's a pic of my modem:

 

[winbig]

Those living close to the banned states would have to switch to ISPs that have servers within their allowable state. It works the other way too; those who live in any of the banned states can get an ISP with servers in an allowable state- but come the time to withdrawal, they may have a problem with the documentation requirements.

You're kidding, right? I'm not switching ISP's simply because Beshear wants to govern the Internet.

I will fight this tooth and nail, no matter what it takes. It's not about being able to gamble online or where my IP address supposedly is "located," it's all about the principle of the matter now.

I'm in live chat with the VPL group right now, trying to find out what their stance is on this.

 

[sdaddy]

For now, I'll withhold final judgment on how disruptive this new policy is until we see how efficiently they review ID docs from players who were mistakenly flagged by their IP identification and want to challenge the blocking of their account.

Let us know how it goes, winbig.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

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Thanks for heads up Winbig

 

[winbig]

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Thanks for heads up Winbig

An easy way to see if you're affected by this or not is to head over to:

www.whatismyip.com, grab the IP address it says you have, then visit www.arin.net with that IP and paste it into the box in the upper right corner and click 'search whois.'

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Thanks and had already done as I saw your posts in the MG/PRIMA thread. I now reside in Jersey

OrgName: Cellco Partnership DBA Verizon Wireless
OrgID: CLLC
Address: 180 Washington Valley Road
City: Bedminster
StateProv: NJ
PostalCode: 07039
Country: US

 

[RobWin]

Hell, it looks as though I live in the Cheese State...LOL !!

OrgName: TDS TELECOM
OrgID: TDST
Address: 525 Junction Rd.
City: Madison
StateProv: WI
PostalCode: 53717
Country: US

Even though my bills tell me I live here in Georgia...

Well here's a couple of quick fixes until MG come to their senses and start going by your actual physical addresses...

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This may be the only way around this BS until MG gets their head out of their A**

 

[The Dude]

Well this really sucks. It should be where the "player" is located NOT the IP since players from banned jurisdictions can use proxy servers to fake their whereabouts. This IP banning is probably being implemented via paranoia - Westland Bowl is probably right, they may fear being hauled in over a technicality.

Hopefully the casinos can come up with a better solution for this.

 

[RobWin]

Well this really sucks. It should be where the "player" is located NOT the IP since players from banned jurisdictions can use proxy servers to fake their whereabouts. This IP banning is probably being implemented via paranoia - Westland Bowl is probably right, they may fear being hauled in over a technicality.

Hopefully the casinos can come up with a better solution for this.

Yea, you right about that...it does suck, but on the flip side if that is how MG really wants to play that game then you can use one of those sites I listed to actually bounce your IP around so much and so fast that no one can really pin it down to any particular location !! I'm not going to say which site though as that may jeopardize some but it's easily figured out by the user...

 

[zebedy]

shouldnt this be another reason why casinos should ask for ID verification before a player plays at a casino, it would not only prove where your from but (if your in a banned state or not)also there shouldnt be any problems about with holding payment re.dodgy documents, (if they have been cleared)
i know a points been made about players wanting to play at a casino instantly and going else where if they cant but with all these problems happening something has to change,
maybe if all casinos asked for verification before hand then if you play at a casino that doesnt ask and you get burned then its your own fault for playing there,
couldnt ecogra put it in there terms that a casino has to do this, just like they have it in there terms that a casino must ask a player to provide id when requesting a cashout

 

[RobWin]

OMG I am so P**SED RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS RIDICULOUS! I LIVE IN PENNSYLVANIA, NOT NEW JERSEY.

I'm an innocent bystander! I think the way MG is going about this is ALL WRONG. They are apparently using IP address information from ARIN (www.arin.net), and going solely by where the company that the IP's are registered to is. That has NOTHING to do with where I am PHYSICALLY located.

Hi Brian !

In light of the recent changes in US legislation, the Jackpot Factory casino group has decided to stop taking
bets from players residing in the following states, as determined by the player's IP address:

* Kentucky, Illinois, Indiana, Louisiana, Michigan, Nevada, New Jersey, New York,
Oregon, Utah, South Dakota, Washington and Wisconsin.
* Unfortunately, your IP address traces to New Jersey,
and on Tuesday, November 4th, your account will be blocked.
* Please note that the casino will conduct a manual withdrawal for any remaining funds in your casino cash
account at the start of the next work week. The Jackpot Factory prides itself on its honesty and integrity,
so please rest assured that you will receive your outstanding funds.
* If you do not actually reside in New Jersey, please forward a valid picture ID with current address
(such as a driver's license) to us at [email protected].
* If you do not actually reside in New Jersey, please forward a valid picture ID with current address
(such as a driver's license) to us at [email protected].

Thank you for understanding in this matter.

All the best,

David Brickman

A Jackpot Factory Casino

Your account number is: xxxx

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Maybe we can get David Brickman on here to comment on this too since this has been two or more letters now received by members on here regarding this issue but I have still not seen any from the other casinos so this looks like it is only JPF Group that are sending these out and not MG !!

 

[babs7262]

Another way:

Spoiler

1. Download Firefox (mozilla)
2. Go To Tools on Top
3. Click on Options
4.Go to Network Tab
5.Click on Settings under connection
6. Click on the manual proxy configuration button (notice below its just on No proxy))
7. In proxy box type: 202.106.16.36
8. Port box type: 3128
9. Click oK

This will take much longer but it will show you coming from Asia. This is what alot of US people do to watch movies that arnt available to US players.

The other good thing is when you go back to normal proxy, the tab remembers these numbers so you dont have to remember them again

 

[Simmo!]

[derail]
Hmmm...out of interest, do any of those proxy servers allow you access to Wagerworks casinos by any chance?
[/derail]

 

[RobWin]

[derail]
Hmmm...out of interest, do any of those proxy servers allow you access to Wagerworks casinos by any chance?
[/derail]

Now Simmo, you know we can't answer that in open forum here...

 

[winbig]

Another way:

Spoiler

1. Download Firefox (mozilla)
2. Go To Tools on Top
3. Click on Options
4.Go to Network Tab
5.Click on Settings under connection
6. Click on the manual proxy configuration button (notice below its just on No proxy))
7. In proxy box type: 202.106.16.36
8. Port box type: 3128
9. Click oK

This will take much longer but it will show you coming from Asia. This is what alot of US people do to watch movies that arnt available to US players.

The other good thing is when you go back to normal proxy, the tab remembers these numbers so you dont have to remember them again

That's good and all, but if a person is in fact in a banned state, they're going to have a hard time cashing out....

 

[winbig]

Update

Received this morning:

Dear Brian,



Thank you for contacting The Jackpot Factory Group about your outstanding document.

I am pleased to inform you that we received your drivers license and had forwarded it to the casinos management for their reviewing.



Let me wish you an excellent day and all the best.



Should you have any additional questions or comments, please don't hesitate to contact our Customer Service Desk on the toll-free numbers listed below. We are available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for your convenience.



Best Regards,

 

[LaurieJim]

thanks win for looking up my ip addy im now a resident of st. louis, mo and nash is in new jersey lol, we only live 30 minutes away from each other, so how can this be, im still lost on this ip stuff?................pewter dummy , laurie

 

[winbig]

thanks win for looking up my ip addy im now a resident of st. louis, mo and nash is in new jersey lol, we only live 30 minutes away from each other, so how can this be, im still lost on this ip stuff?................pewter dummy , laurie

Ok, let's say Verizon owns a block of IP's that are given to people all over the country. ARIN is in charge of documenting all of this information.

MG pulls up that information when it sees your IP address.

Then they compare physical address the company used (the information that ARIN has) to register the IP addresses, and goes by that. 9 times out of 10, that registered physical address isn't going to be in the same state that you live in.

I kinda think that Kentucky knew this going in (or at least had a consultant tell them this,) and it makes a great case for them to go into court and say "hey, Kentuckians can still access these sites. These companies have to forfeit their domains."

 

[anniemac]

Just for grins and giggles, I ran my IP. There is something to be said for living in the country. I have DSL through my local phone provider. It has Texas plastered all over it.

But the knowledge about the mobile modems was good to know. I have used my mobile phone with wireless modem on my laptop. Don't guess that will be an option any more.

 

[LaurieJim]

i have my internet through charter cable, arn't they out of louisville, kentucky.........laurie

 

[zebedy]

An easy way to see if you're affected by this or not is to head over to:

www.whatismyip.com, grab the IP address it says you have, then visit www.arin.net with that IP and paste it into the box in the upper right corner and click 'search whois.'

hmm i just tried that and it says im in amsterdam , i know the uk is part of the EU but as im not seeing hash cafes and ladies in there underware all over the place, i think it may be wrong

 

[Mousey]

Hmmmm... did the Whois thingy and even though I live in Alabama, the IP came up as Wisconsin my ISP's 'home'.

 

[winbig]

Hmmmm... did the Whois thingy and even though I live in Alabama, the IP came up as Wisconsin my ISP's 'home'.

UPDATE:

Villento LOCKED ME OUT OF MY ACCOUNT. They sent me a bonus offer YESTERDAY, but yet I'm locked out today? I can't even get to the login screen of the casino anymore. As soon as it loads, it closes automatically.



ok. I'm talking with them in live chat, and they didn't block my account, but I can't even get to the login screen. It's like it sees my IP and shuts down.

 

[Pinababy69]

What a complete and total clusterf**k. I can't see how MG is going to make this work.....not the way it's intended anyway.

 

[RobWin]

Hmmmm... did the Whois thingy and even though I live in Alabama, the IP came up as Wisconsin my ISP's 'home'.

It sounds like you have TDS too like I posted about earlier...

 

[RobWin]

UPDATE:

Villento LOCKED ME OUT OF MY ACCOUNT. They sent me a bonus offer YESTERDAY, but yet I'm locked out today? I can't even get to the login screen of the casino anymore. As soon as it loads, it closes automatically.



ok. I'm talking with them in live chat, and they didn't block my account, but I can't even get to the login screen. It's like it sees my IP and shuts down.

Try that proxy IP I gave you in a previous post here and see if it will let you...it should considering it's out of Cali

 

[LaurieJim]

UPDATE:

Villento LOCKED ME OUT OF MY ACCOUNT. They sent me a bonus offer YESTERDAY, but yet I'm locked out today? I can't even get to the login screen of the casino anymore. As soon as it loads, it closes automatically.



ok. I'm talking with them in live chat, and they didn't block my account, but I can't even get to the login screen. It's like it sees my IP and shuts down.

this just really sucks winbig, isnt there something the casino's can do, if i live in tn. and have a ip addy from one of the excluded states, then i would be booted too? it seems like some one would be all over this as almost all of us have ip addys in different parts of the country, this isnt right at allalot of casino's stand to lose alot of players and money, you think they would be getting concerned over this imo.............

 

[lots0]

The proxys wont work at least for MG casinos, they are using a proxy detector.

As I pointed out in another thread, IP addresses were never intended to define geographical borders

The big problem comes from people that live in the FREE states who's ISP has an IP address in one of the "excluded' states. Those folks are going to have problems. IP addresses were never set up to determine geographic borders like state lines.

Until MG comes to it senses, people in FREE States that are being blocked because their IP is in Repressive non-free State are going to have to start sending in their Identity documents to prove what state they live in.

If MG wants to keep American players they NEED to rethink this IP blocking.

 

[winbig]

this just really sucks winbig, isnt there something the casino's can do, if i live in tn. and have a ip addy from one of the excluded states, then i would be booted too? it seems like some one would be all over this as almost all of us have ip addys in different parts of the country, this isnt right at allalot of casino's stand to lose alot of players and money, you think they would be getting concerned over this imo.............

That is correct.

I sent my drivers license to Jackpot Factory. I received a reply that they forwarded it to wherever, and am still awaiting the verdict.

 

[LaurieJim]

That is correct.

I sent my drivers license to Jackpot Factory. I received a reply that they forwarded it to wherever, and am still awaiting the verdict.

this is strange win, i just logged in to wild jack, they have all my docs and im showing a mo. ip addy but am a resident of a non excluded state, tried 3 different m/g casino's, didnt deposit but was able to get in, could this be affecting just some?........laurie

 

[lots0]

Look in your local phone book, I'll bet there are several local ISP providers, that have local IP's.

You can also contact your current mega ISP and tell them you are being blocked because you don't have a local IP address, tell them you want a local IP address.

 

[lots0]

this is strange win, i just logged in to wild jack, they have all my docs and im showing a mo. ip addy but am a resident of a non excluded state, tried 3 different m/g casino's, didnt deposit but was able to get in, could this be affecting just some?........laurie

They are just working thru the process, I imagine it is just a matter of time until they get to you LJ...

 

[winbig]

Look in your local phone book, I'll bet there are several local ISP providers, that have local IP's.

You can also contact your current mega ISP and tell them you are being blocked because you don't have a local IP address, tell them you want a local IP address.

lots0, it's not that simple, and if you asked your ISP (if they're not a small localized one) for such a thing, they'd laugh at you (or not know wtf you're talking about, if you're talking to level 1 support.)

I could go on and on about the reasons behind why they'd laugh at you, but I really don't have the time right now and it'd be about 3 pages worth of reading.

Besides, why should we roll over and play dead?

How about all of us innocent bystanders that are affected by this, and living in a non-excluded state, get together and find a lawyer that is up for taking on Beshear with a class-action lawsuit?

 

[lots0]

Believe me I understand your frustration.

This ill advised decision by MG is hurting me far more than just not being able to gamble online... It is effecting my business in a very big way already and it's just getting started.

And never talk to lvl 1 support... always ask for the tech support.

If you tell the mega ISP your leaving them for a local ISP, because of the IP address they provide you, they will pay attention, money talks.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

They are just working thru the process, I imagine it is just a matter of time until they get to you LJ...

Also just a matter of time until Tennesee becomes an excluded State if you know what I mean

 

[spearmaster]

Slow down everyone...

First of all, it is hard to blame MGS or any operator for doing what they need to do, based on the shoddy information they are getting. They sure as heck don't want to lose you as customers - it's not exactly their fault.

Secondly, all of you are proving the case quite convincingly - that it is impossible to block IP by physical location - all of you should get this data and send it to the media, and to Kentucky governor Steve Beshear, and his minions.

Oh yes - and especially to the judge.

Now if someone can dig up the email addresses...

 

[jetset]

I suspect the Kentucky issue has a way to run yet, and that there is a good chance that Beshear's misguided and commercially motivated moves via the county court will be thrown out by a more knowledgable judiciary.

In the meantime you can't blame some of the companies for taking precautionary measures whilst they readjust their infrastructures and await the return of sanity - they're just as much victims of this nonsense as everyone else.

For one, in an operator/software firm's shoes I believe I would be looking at which registrars I was using.....

 

[vinylweatherman]

The casinos ARE to blame in some respect. Intertops voided comp points and uncleared bonuses, Villento locked an account NOW, yet Jackpot Factory have done the right thing in some respects, they have informed players they have till the 4th November to play off/claim comps and bonuses, and if they don't manage to withdraw themselves, the casino will handle it for them after the 4th. Further, this allows time for savvy players to send in their proof of address if they believe they might be affected by innacurate IP geolocation. It follows that the CASINOS are actually implementing the block, and MG have simply provided the detection tool, so those that locked out players without notice DID have an option to allow them to play off comps and bonuses this weekend, but chose confiscation and immediate no-notice locking instead. These casinos can treat these players so badly since they are no longer wanted, and are simply of no further value to them, but could be a liability if they hit big this weekend as a parting gift while playing off comps and bonuses.

Here is a better way this could have been done.

1) Using the imperfect IP geolocation data, lock all DEPOSIT options, but still allow play with funds already in the account.

2) Email players who have been detected and had their deposit options locked, telling them they must either prove they live in a "free" state, or withdraw their funds by a given date.

3) Lock accounts on the given date for players who have not proved they live in a "free" state, but NOT lock accounts UNTIL security has caught up with pending documentation of those that did seek to prove they were "free".

4) Process all withdrawals, and manually withdraw for players in banned states who did not do so themselves.

5) When empty, close down the locked accounts from banned states, but keep records offline should these players a) Later prove to be in a "free" state and want to play. b) Move house to a "free" state or a "free" country (else they could end up having to allow such players to open second accounts and have a second round of SUB's - they don't like this, do they.


NEW account registration should check IP, and give a PROPER error message as to why a registration that seems to come from a banned state has not been allowed to proceed. NOT something like throwing the player out with "casino error nnnnn", or simply having the software shut down without indication as to why.


Lastly, DO NOT USE THIS AS AN EXCUSE TO SCREW PLAYERS - It's not THEIR fault that MG have decided THIS law is one they will now obey, after deciding to ignore it in the pursuit of profits before.

ALL online casinos are being watched, while other countries may now be "valued customers", we are seeing what will happen should OUR government decide to ban online casinos. What we are seeing with the USA does NOT impress. In particular, those currently in "free" states could easily find themselves in a "banned" state with little or no notice, depending on state laws passed, and whether casinos opt to obey them or not.

 

[Jackpot Factory]

Reply from David Brickman at the Jackpot Factory

Hi everyone,

David Brickman here. I Was offline most of the weekend so I am must catching up on some of these posting. Forgive me if some of this is repetitive. Due to legal concerns I cant go into exactly why this issue is coming up now but in consultation with MGS we (and all MGS casinos) are going to stop taking bets from players in the now 13 banned states. All players with account balances will receive their money.

We are well aware that many innocent players are going to get caught up in this mess but there isnt too much we can do since the IP blocking will be done at the MGS level. As weve written, any player who does not reside in those states can send in documentation and have their account unblocked.
Sorry US players but this is the best we can do for the time being.

I am sure many players will be looking for a new place to play. My advice is as always, do your homework first. I can only imagine that this vacuum left by MGS will be replaced by many unscrupulous casinos who will be more than happy to relieve you of your money with no chance of ever seeing a withdrawal.
All the best,

David Brickman
VP Player Affairs
Jackpot Factory Casino Group

 

[LaurieJim]

Hi everyone,

David Brickman here. I Was offline most of the weekend so I am must catching up on some of these posting. Forgive me if some of this is repetitive. Due to legal concerns I cant go into exactly why this issue is coming up now but in consultation with MGS we (and all MGS casinos) are going to stop taking bets from players in the now 13 banned states. All players with account balances will receive their money.

We are well aware that many innocent players are going to get caught up in this mess but there isnt too much we can do since the IP blocking will be done at the MGS level. As weve written, any player who does not reside in those states can send in documentation and have their account unblocked.
Sorry US players but this is the best we can do for the time being.

I am sure many players will be looking for a new place to play. My advice is as always, do your homework first. I can only imagine that this vacuum left by MGS will be replaced by many unscrupulous casinos who will be more than happy to relieve you of your money with no chance of ever seeing a withdrawal.
All the best,

David Brickman
VP Player Affairs
Jackpot Factory Casino Group

thats the scary part of it all david, so if i have a ip addy from a banned state and dont live in one of the 13 and you already have all my docs on file showing that, am i safe as well as your other players that you have resident docs on?........laurie

 

[vinylweatherman]

Hi everyone,

David Brickman here. I Was offline most of the weekend so I am must catching up on some of these posting. Forgive me if some of this is repetitive. Due to legal concerns I cant go into exactly why this issue is coming up now but in consultation with MGS we (and all MGS casinos) are going to stop taking bets from players in the now 13 banned states. All players with account balances will receive their money.

We are well aware that many innocent players are going to get caught up in this mess but there isnt too much we can do since the IP blocking will be done at the MGS level. As weve written, any player who does not reside in those states can send in documentation and have their account unblocked.
Sorry US players but this is the best we can do for the time being.

I am sure many players will be looking for a new place to play. My advice is as always, do your homework first. I can only imagine that this vacuum left by MGS will be replaced by many unscrupulous casinos who will be more than happy to relieve you of your money with no chance of ever seeing a withdrawal.
All the best,

David Brickman
VP Player Affairs
Jackpot Factory Casino Group

This is my point. YOU have given players some notice, so they at least have a chance to cash in any comp points, complete any WR on bonuses they already have, and withdraw before Tuesday. Those who think they might unfairly get logged as being in a banned state can do a little research now, and send in proof so that when their accounts become locked on Tuesday, they can quickly be unlocked. Players who know they are in a banned state can ensure they finish up this weekend, and withdraw. Those currently in free states need to keep an eye on developments, and pre-empt their own state legislature where they seek to implement a state law similar to that implemented in the current set of banned states.

Rogue casinos will most certainly be targeting these banned states, and will probably use generous welcome packages, but can freely screw players who cannot make an official complaint since they are doing something "illegal".

There IS one thing they might be able to do though, IF they are in a banned state, and get screwed, spill the beans as to how the rogue casino was able to circumvent the rules, and maybe the risk of this MIGHT discourage them from screwing players over, since their processors will be shut down, and THEIR domains threatened with confisaction.

 

[Jackpot Factory]

Reply from David Brickman at the Jackpot Factory

Lauriejim,

The answer to your question is yes. Unfortunately, there is no way for us to screen each account individually. MGS is enforcing an IP ban and players who are wrongfully accused will have to send in valid documentation. I realize this is a bit cumbersome but its the best way for the casino and MGS to keep clear of legal hassles.

If you have received this email and dont live in one of these states simply mail in a valid identification and well open your account asap. Feel free to contact our support team at any time with further questions.

All the best,

David Brickman
VP Player Affairs
Jackpot Factory Casino Group

 

[vinylweatherman]

Lauriejim,

The answer to your question is yes. Unfortunately, there is no way for us to screen each account individually. MGS is enforcing an IP ban and players who are wrongfully accused will have to send in valid documentation. I realize this is a bit cumbersome but its the best way for the casino and MGS to keep clear of legal hassles.

If you have received this email and dont live in one of these states simply mail in a valid identification and well open your account asap. Feel free to contact our support team at any time with further questions.

All the best,

David Brickman
VP Player Affairs
Jackpot Factory Casino Group

I cannot see why MG have shown such a lack of understanding of the Internet, after all, it's all of their business.

The registration process, at least for US players, already holds the details of the player, including their state. Since the IP block is something that can be overridden when a player is found to not be in a banned state, surely the player's state of residence as stored could automate the process, certainly in cases where players have already provided documents and had them verified. With this being a new enforcement, existing players would not have needed to be creative in declaring their state of residence, as might clearly be the case for new players now attempting to register knowing full well they have to appear to be outside a banned state.

The legal argument does not really hold, the position is that the risk is there for accepting ANY US players, banned states or not.

If MGS think this is going to go smoothly, they are much mistaken, and the next week or two will probably see all hell break loose on the forums, with CASINOS taking the blame, and probably justifiably so since there seems to be considerable leeway in how individual casinos are handling this. Contrast the marked and draconian response of Intertops, through to the far more amiable implementation from the Jackpot Factory. If it were purely down to MGS, and with the casinos having no control, the process would be idential across the board, and ALL MGS accounts with "banned state" IP addresses would have been locked out at the same time, not just Intertops accounts.

 

[lots0]

VWM - Your expecting a logical response from people that have a history of never responding logically to problem situations.

The online casino industry has a history of making bad knee jerk responses to problem situations.

 

[winbig]

Let's not forget the people that can still play, even though they live in a banned state, because their IP points to a state that still isn't banned......which will surely include people from Kentucky as well.

What's going to happen when it's time for these players to cash out (not just for JPF, but every MG casino?) Are they going to be denied their winnings? If so, will they at least get their deposits back from the period that MG started banning IP's until the time they try to cash out?

on a side note: What is going to happen when Gov. Beshear's lackeys figures out the imperfect ways that MG is blocking IP's? They're going to find out a way to exploit this between now and the December forfeiture hearing and show the judge that Kentuckians can still access and play at these casinos....then it's all over but the shouting.

MG casinos should be required to go through their customer database and lock out all accounts registered in this banned states at once. Or else the above scenario could definitely come true.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Let's not forget the people that can still play, even though they live in a banned state, because their IP points to a state that still isn't banned......which will surely include people from Kentucky as well.

What's going to happen when it's time for these players to cash out (not just for JPF, but every MG casino?) Are they going to be denied their winnings? If so, will they at least get their deposits back from the period that MG started banning IP's until the time they try to cash out?

on a side note: What is going to happen when Gov. Beshear's lackeys figures out the imperfect ways that MG is blocking IP's? They're going to find out a way to exploit this between now and the December forfeiture hearing and show the judge that Kentuckians can still access and play at these casinos....then it's all over but the shouting.

MG casinos should be required to go through their customer database and lock out all accounts registered in this banned states at once. Or else the above scenario could definitely come true.

Yes, but as lots0 pointed out:-

VWM - Your expecting a logical response from people that have a history of never responding logically to problem situations.

Well, actually I was HOPING for a logical response, what I EXPECTED is more or less what has happened. I also EXPECT that this will lead to many reputable casinos becoming embroiled in controversy. Not least, how do they handle VICTIMS of the imperfect implenentation of a blocking of selected states. There are players who are NOT in a banned state, but have the possibility of being dragged into this because of their ISP. There are players who's IP address points to a "free" state, yet live in a banned one. They are NOT being contacted by this automated system, and may have absolutely no idea that a "knee jerk" reaction has been pushed through literally overnight - they will see nothing amiss, and it could take a while for the casinos to get around to realising they shouldn't be taking their bets, and will this mean the innocent PLAYER having to carry the can because the casino says "you should have known" when they have all their play voided since the 4th (if they win), and an apology and thanks for your custom (if they lose, but many will NOT be offered their deposits back).

Those in currently "free" states, and "free" countries will be thinking "am I next?" - how will they know till it happens, and they find out one day when they log in and find their account locked.

 

[winbig]

All is well with my MG accounts. The IP ban went into effect today, but since I sent my drivers license in to JPF which was forwarded to MG, I am able to log in to all MG casinos.....