Leaving UK market e-mail correspondence thread

[andy121]

So far the accredited casino list of UK licensed casinos is looking like this:

32red plc casinos
Betway
Bet365 (?)
Boyles (?)
Betfred (?)
Coral
Roxy Palace Group?
Grosvenor Casino (?)
Mr. Green (?)
Paddy Power (?)
Sky Vegas (?)

Notice all of the question marks? If some of you can clear these up for me, that would be great.

Roxy palace, Boyles and Sky Vegas don't seem to have applications yet, i can't see Boyles (who have a brick and mortar licence) and Sky pulling out though. The rest already have them or are pending.

Looks like leo vegas and IP&S have pending applications as well (which are popular around here recently)

 

[Richas]

We should have started a thread on who is remaining in the market - not who's bailing. Since it seems like just about everyone.

So far the accredited casino list of UK licensed casinos is looking like this:

32red plc casinos
Betway
Bet365 (?)
Boyles (?)
Betfred (?)
Coral
Roxy Palace Group?
Grosvenor Casino (?)
Mr. Green (?)
Paddy Power (?)
Sky Vegas (?)

Notice all of the question marks? If some of you can clear these up for me, that would be great.

Well checking the remote licence list made available by the UKGC here,

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which is not complete as the deadline for applications is midnight GMT tonight, there may be a backlog to process and casinos can ask for it to be confidential until 1st October....I can clean up a few. The # is their remote licence reference number.

A couple - were pre-existing - Bet365 and Grosvenor but most are applications for the new act so show as "pending" this means that they are automatically granted a continuation or "converted" licence to operate post October 1st.

32red plc casinos
Betway
Bet365 - #865
Boyles
Betfred - #1739
Coral - #39071
Gala - #39069
Roxy Palace Group?
Grosvenor Casino #34161
Mr. Green - #39264
Paddy Power - Remote licence #38939
Sky Vegas -#38718

In the last month the list of "Active" Remote licences has grown by 100 (well 98 but 100 new as betbutler and another got suspended).

 

[zanzibar]

According to someone at Star Partner that I spoke to, its a total sale of all Casino UK players. Their reasoning is that they reckon they can't make a profit under the new rules.

 

[vinylweatherman]

According to someone at Star Partner that I spoke to, its a total sale of all Casino UK players. Their reasoning is that they reckon they can't make a profit under the new rules.

This is the impression I got from VIP yesterday. They moved the players to Casino UK before they had made the final decision. After going through the figures, the owners and directors decided it wasn't viable to keep Casino UK going under the new rules, so sold the lot to Roxy Palace.

Now, what is unusual here is that usually when a sale of the entire player base of a casino is made, the skin is also sold, leaving the players in the same casino skin, but under new management. With the UK rules, we are seeing sales of players, not casinos, with players ending up with their account in a new skin, often leaving them with duplicate accounts.

The transfer to Betway could give some players over a dozen accounts, and they have to choose one to keep, and close the rest. I can't see Betway allowing UK players to use a dozen or more accounts in the long term.

What seems to be driving this is consolidation because there is a lower limit of UK players needed in a skin in order to make it profitable to operate within the new UK regime. Casino UK doesn't have enough UK players for it to be viable, but when combined with the UK player base of Roxy Palace, there are enough to make it profitable.

Similarly, Betway is going to be picking up UK players from a large number of casinos in a "super group" itself formed from the merger of 3 decent sized operators. This concentration of UK players at Betway would make it profitable to run under a UK licence.

There may well be further consolidations in the pipeline that will emerge over the next couple of weeks.

We will be left with a smaller number of casinos, but each having a significant UK player base. We will also be left with the outright rogues who will see this as an opportunity to operate illegally in a market that has seen a rapid reduction in choice for the customer, and they will have the edge because they won't have the same operating overheads as a legally licenced UK facing casino.

 

[Jd666]

Had a bit of time to kill so I have been having a search through the Gambling commision website for accredited casinos.

Some Of the Active or pending licenses are

32Red
Betway
Roxy Palace
Bet 365
Unibet
Leo Vegas
Skybet
BGO
10 Bet
NRR Entertainment (Betat)
Skill On Net Group
Mr Green
Paddy Power
BetFred
Coral/Gala
Rank Digital (Mecca/Grosvenor)

Not going to be too bad really, im quite happy with the casinos we probably still will have

Cant see anything of Roxy Palace, Guts or BML group

Oops sorry, Skill On Net aren't accredited

 

[Casinomeister]

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Cant see anything of Roxy Palace...

Roxy Palace is the Megapixel Group

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[Jd666]

Roxy Palace is the Megapixel Group

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Ah cheers, i see it now on Roxy homepage, I just tried Roxy Palace and Ncrypt

 

[Richas]

Well checking the remote licence list made available by the UKGC here,

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which is not complete as the deadline for applications is midnight GMT tonight, there may be a backlog to process and casinos can ask for it to be confidential until 1st October....I can clean up a few. The # is their remote licence reference number.
....

In the last month the list of "Active" Remote licences has grown by 100 (well 98 but 100 new as betbutler and another got suspended).

The total is up to 987 Active remote licences this morning, that means 126 new in the past month. This makes Jenny Williams (Commissioner and Chief Exec of UKGC) estimate at the Barcelona conference of expecting 150 applications look like a pretty solid bit of forecasting, given that the list may still be incomplete.

Unsurprisingly the big B2B firms Microgaming, Playtech, GTECH have put their remote licence applications in. Quite how they will explain their grey and black market activities I am yet to work out.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Roxy Palace is the Megapixel Group

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I get "error, code unknown" from that link.


However, it illustrates a problem in that whilst we know the casino as "Roxy Palace", it doesn't show as "Roxy palace" on the database, but as the name of the holding company. It's notoriously difficult to trace a casino right back to it's overall holding company to know what you should be searching for.

Presumably, the intent is that once the linked logo on the website becomes mandatory, players will not need to know the company structure, they will only need to know how to work their mouse.

The Excel download seems to have more information, and with 5 sheets, there is one that can be sorted by domain, rather than business name, and this will allow the account number for the domain to be traced, which can then be looked at on the main sheet and traced to the holding company.

With the deadline having passed, this list should reach a relatively stable state and can then be used to determine which casinos are staying in the UK with a high degree of accuracy.

 

[VS_Lucas]

VideoSlots.com - UK License

Hi All,

We wanted to let you know that as we had informed you previously in the forum - VideoSlots.com intends to continue operating within the UK market, and therefore our Application has been submitted and is in progress.

The Software we have applied for to keep on operating with within the UK are: Microgaming, NetEnt, MultiSlot & NYX.

You may search the licensees list from this page here:

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and in the Licensee name or reference field fill in "Panda Media".

Kind Regards,
Lucas

 

[Richas]

I get "error, code unknown" from that link.


However, it illustrates a problem in that whilst we know the casino as "Roxy Palace", it doesn't show as "Roxy palace" on the database, but as the name of the holding company. It's notoriously difficult to trace a casino right back to it's overall holding company to know what you should be searching for.

Presumably, the intent is that once the linked logo on the website becomes mandatory, players will not need to know the company structure, they will only need to know how to work their mouse.

The Excel download seems to have more information, and with 5 sheets, there is one that can be sorted by domain, rather than business name, and this will allow the account number for the domain to be traced, which can then be looked at on the main sheet and traced to the holding company.

With the deadline having passed, this list should reach a relatively stable state and can then be used to determine which casinos are staying in the UK with a high degree of accuracy.

This is the link to where you can search, if you do search it creates a temporary page with the results so any link to that is dead by the time you send it to anyone else or paste it anywhere.

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The link from the website will be to a permanent registration page. I have played about with the spreadsheets but they suffer from the same issues as the search, if the licence application does not include the brand name or other search term you can't find it looking for that specifc thing, the front end is if anything better than the spreadsheet. Also not all domains are included in each firms application, some list them all, others don't.

If you find it, and it is a remote casino licence (pending) then you are sure they are in but if you can't find them you can't be certain they are out.

 

[spintee]

 

[Richas]

The total is up to 987 Active remote licences this morning, that means 126 new in the past month. This makes Jenny Williams (Commissioner and Chief Exec of UKGC) estimate at the Barcelona conference of expecting 150 applications look like a pretty solid bit of forecasting, given that the list may still be incomplete.

Unsurprisingly the big B2B firms Microgaming, Playtech, GTECH have put their remote licence applications in. Quite how they will explain their grey and black market activities I am yet to work out.

The total is up to 1009 active licences this morning so 148 new ones in the past month.

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[spintee]

I no its a bingo site but pretty sure there connected to casinos,

Unfortunately, JackpotCity Bingo will be closing its virtual doors in the UK at the end of September – due to new UK legislation taking effect on Wednesday 1st October, 2014.

But there’s good news too…
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[mcgameboy]

Well it looks like today is All Slots final day serving UK players....I received this e-mail from them sometime yesterday.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Well it looks like today is All Slots final day serving UK players....I received this e-mail from them sometime yesterday.

Spin Casino


Do they mean "Spin Palace"?

I thought that they were separate from Betway, as Betway recently announced changes, one of which was them going "independent" again and having a base in London.

Again, no thought given to players who are playing MPV over several days, or who are playing promotions that will NOT be honoured by "Spin Casino" as they draw to a close.


There was also a "buzz" going around that the Palace Group had been bought up by Digimedia in any case, and this was perhaps why Betway had to be spun off beforehand, else it too would end up being absorbed by Digimedia.

If it is "Spin Palace", then tomorrow I will have TWO accounts there.

 

[fun4all]

Spin Palace, proper old school

 

[Simmo!]

here's another one for the mysterious "Spin casino" !

We’re writing to inform you that within the next few days, Casino La Vida will stop taking bets from players in the United Kingdom. We invite you to continue enjoying our hospitality until we prompt you to move your account to Spin Casino, our trusted Microgaming partner that is part of the prestigious Betway group.

No surprise really as it's a sister of Red Flush.

 

[vinylweatherman]

I have found and installed "Spin Casino".

It's brand new, so hard to find with Google, but it is a Betway sister. It also shows as "Spin casino" on the UKGC list of operator licences (it's still pending).

The logo looks damn familiar though, and in most situations this would be getting Bayton's lawyers excited.

Given that Betway was until recently operated by Bayton though, they presumably have permission to operate what is effectively a clone of Spin Palace.

What I find odd is that it hasn't been long since they closed GNUF, so they clearly didn't feel the need then for 2 download casinos, so why not reopen GNUF (or keep it open) instead of cloning Spin Palace?

Players benefit though, new casino = new welcome bonus opportunity

 

[spintee]

Was you able to log in with spin palace details ?

I have found and installed "Spin Casino".

It's brand new, so hard to find with Google, but it is a Betway sister. It also shows as "Spin casino" on the UKGC list of operator licences (it's still pending).

The logo looks damn familiar though, and in most situations this would be getting Bayton's lawyers excited.

Given that Betway was until recently operated by Bayton though, they presumably have permission to operate what is effectively a clone of Spin Palace.

What I find odd is that it hasn't been long since they closed GNUF, so they clearly didn't feel the need then for 2 download casinos, so why not reopen GNUF (or keep it open) instead of cloning Spin Palace?

Players benefit though, new casino = new welcome bonus opportunity

 

[vinylweatherman]

Was you able to log in with spin palace details ?

I haven't tried anything yet. I am waiting for it to work today with my All Slots details, after which I will check with my old Spin Palace details. It looks like I will get two more accounts there when Red Flush and La Vida migrate.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Scammers now on the bandwagon.

Just found this in spam folder:-

Hey Brian,

Due to regulatory changes, Plazawin Casino will stop accepting bets from UK customers on 30th September 2014. You will be able to withdraw your funds* until 31st October 2014 in the cashier. Following this date, you may email support@plazawin.com to claim any outstanding funds.

We invite you to continue your adventure at CasinoLasVegas.com, our sister site – with an amazing 100% welcome bonus!

Good luck!

Plazawin Casino Team


* If a bonus wagering requirement hasn’t been completed, winnings derived from that bonus cannot be withdrawn.

1) I don't have an account at Plazawin.
2) The UK rules would not actually allow this, the operator needs a licence as well as the domain.

This looks like a means of marketing CasinoLasVegas under false pretences.

Anyone else getting this despite not having an account at Plazawin?

 

[vinylweatherman]

Was you able to log in with spin palace details ?

OK, just tried it, and no.

It is obviously separate, but Betway really shouldn't have given us the "false positive" effect by copying the Spin Palace logo and choosing a very similar name.

My All Slots details don't yet work either, and I have not had this email about the migration.

 

[spintee]

Just found this in spam folder:-





1) I don't have an account at Plazawin.
2) The UK rules would not actually allow this, the operator needs a licence as well as the domain.

This looks like a means of marketing CasinoLasVegas under false pretences.

Anyone else getting this despite not having an account at Plazawin?

I have had a few, I will see If I can dig any out, Unsure if there genuine but alot of the casinos Im 99% sure I have not been on b4, Another thing that is abig coinsdance, sinse the other day I have hadd about 300% increrase in spam? Not just casinos and mostly credit cards ect, Seem to come over night when go wild went

 

[brianmon]

I've just received this. It seem like there's been a delay in moving to spin casino