Kentucky seeking to seize 141 gaming domains

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Steven L. Beshear said:
These illegal sites also threaten Kentucky's legal forms of gaming.
Well at least he did state the REAL reason for starting all this crap.
He is protecting the people that put money in his pocket, like land based casino owner Bill Yung. Who gave one Million dollars to the Governors pet project and also gave a million to a political group that used the money to get Beshear elected as Governor.

BTW - Casino Owner Bill Yung has stated several times that he sees online casinos and online gambling as his single biggest competitor for gambling dollars. Anyone wanna bet Yung is behind all this??? I'll give odds.... LOL.


Here is an old thread with some info from jetset about the KY Governor and Bill Yung's millions of US Dollars.
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/kentucky-contributions.23061/
 

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Well I guess I won't be receiving an answer from the KY guv's office...

The pricks banned my IP address after sending me the email I posted.
 

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Well I guess I won't be receiving an answer from the KY guv's office...

The pricks banned my IP address after sending me the email I posted.

:rolleyes:

This just goes to show you what they think of people that are against them.
 

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Ya they really banned my IP address.

But that action just shows how ignorant they are about the www (and what true MF'ers they are).

I just reset my IP and resent the email. :p
 

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Ya they really banned my IP address.

But that action just shows how ignorant they are about the www.

I just reset my IP and resent the email. :p

Yea...LOL, I kinda figured you would...:cool::thumbsup:

They can't even start to fathom what can and can't be done with the internet...:rolleyes:
 

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LOL... Yup, I do believe that Steven Beshear and cronies are stretching the 'law' a very very long way to come to this conclusion.

From what I've been told, the Governor is trying to say that because online gambling in not specifically allowed by Ky law, it is then excluded. Most lawyers find this argument a paper tiger that can easily be defeated in most any court.


BTW - I don't expect an answer from Ky to my follow up email.

Well, next time he takes a sh*t, have him brought before the courts unless he can show a Ky law that specifically allows it:rolleyes:
 

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Governor,

As you stated that you were only enforcing an existing state law, would you be so kind as to provide me with the specific law that forbids online gambling inside Kentucky.

I am afraid that my attorneys located in Kentucky are unable to find this specific law you are enforcing.
Thank You
Mr. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

The pricks banned my IP address after sending me the email I posted.

I just reset my IP and resent the email. :p

Civil disobedience at its finest, lmaooooo.... You just made my night Lots0. You sure we're not long lost cousins or something? :laugh: :smilewink:
 

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By JOE BIESK 10.07.08, 5:49 PM ET


FRANKFORT, Ky. - Lawyers from around the country packed a Franklin County courtroom Tuesday asking a local circuit judge to dismiss Kentucky's attempt at blocking residents' access to numerous online gambling Web sites.

Gov. Steve Beshear's administration - which supports legalizing casino gambling in the state - says the online gambling Web sites are illegal and Kentuckians should not have access to them.

Attorneys opposing the state, however, say Kentucky doesn't have jurisdiction on a case that could have international ramifications.

"These domain names do not exist here," said Jerry Stouck, a Washington attorney representing ...

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Wingate said he would hope to have a ruling by next week.
 

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Beshear, a Democrat, made his support for a constitutional amendment legalizing casino gambling a central focus of his campaign for governor last year. The governor tried and failed earlier this year to get the General Assembly to put a proposed amendment before voters.

Kentucky already allows gambling on horse racing and bingo, and has a state lottery.

Still, Beshear has called the Internet gambling sites targeted by his administration as "leeches on our communities" and acknowledged the move would protect the state's "signature industry."

So MGS is leeching off of the Kentuckians :what: Since when did Microgaming get involved with horse racing???
 

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Rob Slauenwhite, a 28-year-old Louisville resident, attended Tuesday's court proceedings wearing a shirt that advertised a Web site where he likes to play poker

:lolup: :lolup: :lolup:

IN YOUR FACE, BESHEAR! :D
 

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I think the law Beshear is using refers to 'gambling devices' being illegal. I suggest Mr. Beshear do a house to house search and confiscate any computer w/casino software on it, and arrest the Kentuckian that owns it. But he'd better go with a SWAT team that's armed to eyeballs, 'cause southerners --especially Kentuckians-- wouldn't put up with such crap. :D
 
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Here we go. The beginning of the end of OUR FREEDOMS.

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Judge allows gambling Web site case to proceed

Posted: Oct 16, 2008 04:24 PM

Updated: Oct 16, 2008 04:24 PM

FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) - A Franklin County Circuit Court judge has refused to dismiss a lawsuit seeking to block access to online casinos in Kentucky.

Judge Thomas Wingate said in an order Thursday afternoon that he will hear arguments on Nov. 17 before deciding whether to give Kentucky state government control of the domain names of 140 of the Internet's most popular gambling Web sites.

Wingate said online casinos that don't block access to their Web sites in Kentucky could be ordered to forfeit their domain names.

Gov. Steve Beshear's administration filed the lawsuit. Beshear supports legalizing casino gambling in a state that already allows betting on horse racing, bingo and a state lottery.

(Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
 

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This judge is a complete retard. He has just said that it is OK for us to steal property from companies in other countries and put them on trial just because we disagree with what they are doing. Does this mean that in Saudi Arabia they can start to steal property from porn companies in other countries because they don't allow it? This is absurd and even more of a reason to vote out anyone incumbant that does not fully support the movement. Am i right to say that we are the only country in the western world that does this crap over internet poker? Even countries our government claims are the enemy don't do this type of stuff.
 

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This judge should be thrown off the bench. This is just further evidence that he's even more retarded than we thought. How can you list "141 Internet Domain Names" as defendants?


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Can Kentucky kill online gambling?

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By Jay Lakin
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The online poker industry may once again be fundamentally changing in the United States.
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First came enactment of the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act on the national level back in 2006.

Now Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear has taken it upon himself to try to eradicate internet gambling altogether by seizing 141 of the worlds largest domain names. The reason: In part to protect the states horse racing industry and state lottery.

It doesnt seem plausible that a Governor could single-handedly order the forfeiture of domain names belonging to sites like Bodog, Absolute Poker, Ultimate Bet, .....
 

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This is the part I like.....

The lack of an order to overturn Beshear’s actions led iMEGA to file a petition asking the Kentucky Court of Appeals to step in rather than wait for the forfeiture hearing. iMEGA President Ed Leyden recently told us, “We’re all on the same side and have the same common enemies. This is an invalid order. The court lacked jurisdiction. The best course of action now is to fight with every fiber in our being.”


This is the truly amazing part...

Finally, it is worth mentioning TwinSpires.com, a website owned by the same company that owns and operates the Churchill Downs horse racing track -- and is not among the 141 domain names in the case.

This favoritism has prompted outcry from the industry, which claims that all internet gambling should be treated equally. After all, why should online wagering on horse racing be any different than playing online poker? If the argument here is protecting children, don't we also want to protect them from wagering on Seabiscuit?

Interested poker players and others can learn more at: www.PokerPlayersAlliance.org

If you really want to join the fight to shut down these clowns like Beshear and give us back our freedom to play when and where we want... Sign up at the PokerPlayersAlliance.org
 

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I thought this was a pretty good overview....

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A Kentucky court case that seeks to regulate access to online gambling could have a dramatic impact on the conduct of e-commerce that would go far beyond whether Americans get to indulge in games of chance on the Web. Can a state court seize a domain name if a Web site is found in violation of local laws?

Lost in the furious run-up to the November elections was a Kentucky court ruling that could unravel a long-established legal argument supporting basic e-commerce activity: namely, that local or state governments cannot extend their reach into cyberspace to impose their own laws on a Web site.

Because that precept is considered so fundamental to e-commerce, it is likely that any challenge to it will eventually be dismissed or overturned. If not, the ramifications would be chilling for e-commerce -- and would ...
 

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What about bingo? Why is it just slots??? It just doesn't seem fair to me.

That's because it isn't.

Maybe this case, should it go ahead, will create such an embarrassment to the USA that it will be stopped in it's tracks by someone wielding an even bigger stick than the govenor of Kentucky.

If America can do it, there would be no reason why other countries could not legally seize ANY US domain they claim to be acting against local laws, however trivial.

To many outsiders, a crusade against placing bets on the internet by a state that itself runs large gambling operations will be seen as a minor local squabble, and will be incensed that it was allowed to create such a mess in the wider field of e-commerce that it fundamentally changes the framework of the internet. There are MANY countries who hold the USA responsible for SERIOUS breaches of THEIR local laws, and they could therefore use this case to back one of their own.
China, for example, has been critisized heavily by it's attempts to censor the internet, and shutting out many US based sites that promote freedom and democracy, and try to make ordinary Chinese aware of what is really going on. China block these sites locally, but what is now to stop them trying to seize the likes of cnn.com for serious breaches of Chinese censorship laws.
Other countries, such as Iran, would love to shut down access to some US websites, and in fact the biggest targets apart from news and "democracy" would be any site that promotes Christianity, or indeed any other belief than Islam. The Christian movement is very powerful, and also one of the prime movers behind the war on internet gambling, They could find their success leads to THEIR religion being LEGALLY shut out from many countries whose states consider the Christian teachings as "blasphemy", a VERY SERIOUS breach of "local laws" indeed.

Individual countries could then extend the fight for good old fashioned protectionism, seizing any sites belonging to competitor businesses that compete with a national "protected" supplier of the same commodities. This is, in effect, the basis of the Kentucky case, but there are many more businesses that would love to see the competition shut out of it's region, and the Internet is the biggest danger of all, since it allows businesses to compete unfettered by local trickery (such as preventing shops from being established through bogus planning objections).

Microsoft should worry what the EU might do if Kentucky sets a precedent. The EU have already levied many fines on Microsoft (for how it sells it's products through retailers), but so far cannot touch it's internet side - but seizure of microsoft.com for disobeying local EU laws would really hurt.
 

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Court Must Vacate Kentucky Court's Baseless Domain Name Seizure

Battle Over Online Gambling Sites Puts Free Speech, Commerce at Risk

Frankfort, KY - The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), the Center for Democracy and Technology (CDT), and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) urged a Kentucky Court of Appeals Wednesday to vacate a lower court's order authorizing the seizure of more than 100 Internet domain names associated with websites operating around the globe. The seizure, and the lower court's exercise of jurisdiction over global domain names, threatens free speech across the Internet.

In a move to combat what it viewed as illegal online gambling, the Commonwealth of Kentucky convinced a state court to "seize" 141 domain names because the names allegedly constituted "gambling devices" that are banned under Kentucky law -- even though the sites were owned and operated by individuals outside of the state, and in many cases even outside of the country. Unless the sites screened out Kentucky users, the court held, the seizure order was proper.......
 

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Some good news at last.....

Kentucky Court Grants iMEGA Motion to Stay Domain Seizures

Nov. 14, 2008 -

The Court of Appeals of Kentucky has granted a motion to stay a forfeiture hearing for 141 Internet domain names. Kentucky Gov. Stephen Beshear and Michael J. Brown, the states Secretary of Justice and Public Safety, had sought the seizure of the domain names, most related to Internet gambling, in an effort to protect the states own gambling industry from competition by online gambling sites.

The Interactive Media Entertainment & Gaming Association (iMEGA), an Internet trade association in Washington, DC, asked the appeals court to stay the forfeiture hearing ordered by district court Judge Thomas Wingate scheduled for Dec. 3rd, until the appeals court had an opportunity to consider iMEGAs petition to have the lower court seizure ruling overturned. A hearing to consider that petition has been scheduled for Dec. 12th in Louisville.

Were please that the Court of Appeals has given us the opportunity to challenge these seizures, said Joe Brennan Jr., iMEGAs chairman. The commonwealth has tried to take these domains for their own financial gain, violating Kentucky law, exceeding their jurisdiction, and setting a terrible precedent in the process.

The appeals court also decided to combine iMEGAs petition with a narrower petition filed by Interactive Gaming Council (IGC), of Vancouver, BC, an international online gambling trade group. Both groups contended that the lower court lacked jurisdiction to order the domain seizures. iMEGA contends that the lower court misapplied Kentuckys specific gambling devices law in order to provide a rationale for permitting the seizures. iMEGA also argues that Kentuckys actions violate the Commerce Clause of the US Constitution, and that Secretary Brown lacked the authority to initiate the seizure action in the first place.

This matter has generated concerns across the online world about abuse of governmental power, said Brennan. Kentucky is opening the door for any government - state and local, foreign and domestic - to use what amounts to blackmail to achieve its ends. If this precedent is allowed to stand, its not hard to imagine a government like China utilizing this kind of seizure power to prevent free media, like the New York Times, from reaching their citizens.

None of the 141 domain names are owned by individuals or companies are located in Kentucky. Gov. Beshear claimed the Internet gambling sites were sapping money from the states own gambling businesses, calling them leeches on our community.

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