JF is closing off the US to NEW registrations

Jackpot Factory

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Hi everyone,

Just to let everyone know that due to various concerns, starting on Monday, November 10th the Jackpot Factory has decided to no longer accept NEW registrations from the United States. Existing players are still more than welcome to play without any problems or documentation.

All the best,


David Brickman
VP Player Affairs
Jackpot Factory Casino Group
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RobWin

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Hi everyone,

Weve received word from MGS that starting Monday, November 10th they will no longer accept NEW registrations from the United States. Existing players will be able to login and play freely but new signups are no longer welcome. As always, as soon as more information becomes available I will let everyone know.

All the best,


David Brickman
VP Player Affairs
Jackpot Factory Casino Group
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I know you had to have ask them WHY ?? What was their reason they gave for this sudden move to the extreme ??
 

Westland Bowl

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I'm already registered at a number of Microgaming casinos. But would I be blocked from registering at another casino group that I never played at before? Is the block at the Microgaming-wide level or at the casino group level?
 

Mousey

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Just to let everyone know that due to various concerns, starting on Monday, November 10th the Jackpot Factory has decided to no longer accept NEW registrations from the United States. Existing players are still more than welcome to play without any problems or documentation.

All the best,

David Brickman

David, I thank you for the updates as none of the other groups seem interested in keeping players informed...

Please be patient with us as we try to understand WTF is going on.

I am quite concerned with this 'no new players' move, and fear that we are now only one step away from 'no USA players' at all. Playtech dumped us, Crypto, etc.... I do, however, understand that our government's policy of enforcing laws that don't really exist is causing a great many complications and we just may not be worth the hassle anymore.

Please continue to give us updates as you can.
 

winbig

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David, I thank you for the updates as none of the other groups seem interested in keeping players informed...

Please be patient with us as we try to understand WTF is going on.

I am quite concerned with this 'no new players' move, and fear that we are now only one step away from 'no USA players' at all. Playtech dumped us, Crypto, etc.... I do, however, understand that our government's policy of enforcing laws that don't really exist is causing a great many complications and we just may not be worth the hassle anymore.

Please continue to give us updates as you can.

The rumor is that this may blow over after the forfeiture hearing is over. I seriously doubt that any groups are going to pull out of the USA.
 

jetset

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I've heard from several private sources that this was actually a Microgaming response to requests from licensees who are clearly worried about the increasing difficulty and risk for professional companies to operate in the United States.

Unfortunately that is likely to make it a blanket ban on new US sign-ups at MGS licensees imo.

The Kentucky situation has certainly helped to bring matters to a head. If the Appeal court allows Judge Wingate's astonishing rulings on jurisdiction, "gambling devices", legal standing, commercial protectionism in a Constitutional context and the hi-jacking of domains to stand it can only exacerbate the already significant problems of operating in this otherwise hugely appealing market.

I'm convinced that no operator wants to "abandon" the US player, but between the federal government and that of some of the states it is become increasingly confusing and therefore dangerous as well as tough in a practical sense (e-cash etc) to run a proper business.

As to whether it is a permanent arrangement...I suspect the result of the appeals in the Kentucky issue will have a bearing on that decision.
 

Pinababy69

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Going on what JPF, Winbig and Jetset have posted....I would be very cautious if I were a US player who plays at any MG casino right now. I mean cautious as in depositing my money. I think Mousey is right...and it sounds like they are one step away from banning the US completely. Be wary guys and gals. and don't keep too much tied up.
 

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Vegas Affiliates announced on Wednesday that effective Monday, Nov. 10, it will not be accepting any new U.S. players. The company explained that the decision was made for "various reasons" and that "while we find this a tough decision to make, we are excited at the same time with the opportunities that are in store as we now have a chance to focus entirely on the non-U.S. markets."

The announcement comes just one day after Micrograming began blocking Kentucky residents from its network of of sites in reaction to an Oct. 15 decision by Judge Thomas Wingate. Microgaming was one of the 141 online gambling sites that was subjected to a seizure order by Wingate in October and given 30 days to block access to Kentucky residents on Oct. 15.

Vegas Affiliates casinos include Grand Hotel Casino, Colosseum Casino, Vegas Joker Casino, Vegas Country Casino, Vegas Slot Casino and Vegas 7 Casino. All existing players registered from the U.S. will be allowed to continue to operate their accounts until further notice and U.S. affiliates will continue to be accepted
I found this as well. I also found info that even a proxy server will not let you into the MGS system. I agree also about the depositing at the casinos as they can cut you off at a blink.
 

Mousey

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Going on what JPF, Winbig and Jetset have posted....I would be very cautious if I were a US player who plays at any MG casino right now. I mean cautious as in depositing my money. I think Mousey is right...and it sounds like they are one step away from banning the US completely. Be wary guys and gals. and don't keep too much tied up.

For those of us who well remember the NETeller fiasco (oh everything's fine, your money's safe, then bam! no US transfers), and post UIGEA casinos blocking US players entirely w/the ensuing hassle of trying to get money out...... well, let's just say, this is enough to put fear in the heart of any seasoned online player. While the majority of MG casinos are reputable and will pay out any funds owing if they decide to block all US accounts, it will not be easy, it will not be quick, it will get messy.

I am trying to be reasonable and not be a chicken little, but experience and common sense tell me we should be very cautious with our online gambling funds right now.
 

Pinababy69

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Vegas Affiliates casinos include Grand Hotel Casino, Colosseum Casino, Vegas Joker Casino, Vegas Country Casino, Vegas Slot Casino and Vegas 7 Casino. All existing players registered from the U.S. will be allowed to continue to operate their accounts until further notice and U.S. affiliates will continue to be accepted

Until further notice? Absolutely agree Mecan, be very cautious. I wouldn't deposit too much, nor would I leave any money sitting around in accounts. And use any loyalty points and/or pending bonuses as soon as you can. Intertops locked out the banned state players with points and bonuses outstanding, no warning.
 

Jackpot Factory

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Update from David Brickman at the Jackpot Factory

Hi everyone,

I would like to clarify my posting. This decision is from the Jackpot Factory group and NOT from MGS. Unfortunately, I dont always get the messages as I should. According to my sources in the industry many other MGS casinos will be making similar announcement during the next few days. I think everyone has just come to the conclusion that accepting new US players simply isnt worth the headache especially with the whole IP tracking and documentation issues discussed a few days ago.

I will repeat that were still more than happy to host our existing players and will continue to operate business as usually. Pinababy69, were certainly not planning on closing off the US to our existing players and all account balances are always going to be available to our players.

Mousey, I appreciate your comments regarding player notification. Ive mentioned this several times before but to me the most important thing for this industry is transparency. No reason to keep our customers out of the loop on important issues.

All the best,

David Brickman
VP Player Affairs
Jackpot Factory Casino Group
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Pinababy69

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Pinababy69, were certainly not planning on closing off the US to our existing players and all account balances are always going to be available to our players.

David, I absolutely appreciate you posting, and keeping the players informed and up to date. My only point is that as of right now, you have no intentions of locking out US players...but going on past history with MG and other software providers, things can change overnight.

I wasn't trying to imply that you were deliberately misleading anyone, not at all. Just that things can change, and sometimes with NO warning.

Actually, Intertops woke up one morning to find MG had blocked access for certain US states... This is on the software level.

Well, that's sort of my point though Dom..whether it's on an operator level, or software level, things can change with little or no warning. Better to err on the side of caution, don't you think?

If I were Intertops management, I'd be pretty pissed off if it happened as you say. Other casino groups (such as JPF for example) gave their players ample notice before IP banning them, thus giving them the opportunity to play out loyalty pts/pending bonuses, etc.

The only point I'm trying to make is that these are unsure times for all US players, with the landscape seeming to change from day to day. IF I were in the US, I'd rather be aware and at least make an informed decision as to who gets my money. I'm not trying to slam anyone or any casino group. Especially JPF, who it seems so far, are the only ones even willing to come on here and give any sort of update.
 

dominique

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They are pissed all right, and yes, proceed with caution.

While I believe Micro is always trying to do the right thing and monies will be returned, there is no telling how long it may take.
 

mecan49

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I totally agree!:lolup: I have contacted the MGS casinos that I play at. They assure me that I am not in the current affected area. But it still concerns me. I love to play online, but think I will hang on to my money until this is straightened out.
 

just play

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Does anyone know the percentage of US players that play at any casino?


Mr. Brickman....is this for public viewing? If so could you tell us?


I have always been interested in the percentages of countries that play at casinos.


Thank you
 

Pinababy69

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I know this doesn't completely answer your question JustPlay, but it is somewhat related. This is from BrightShare, the affy program for Jackpot Factory. The US is/was the #1 player base, but as to exact numbers, I'd be curious to know as well. And I was pretty surprised to find out that Canada is their second largest market...I would have figured the UK for sure. I included Germany in the list as it seems that they are the most valuable on a player to player basis.

Canadian players still our second biggest player base

Australia our third biggest player base

Germany with the highest player values and top localization we have plenty to offer here

France no secret that this is the new US and we are in there with a very big investment
 

just play

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I know this doesn't completely answer your question JustPlay, but it is somewhat related. This is from BrightShare, the affy program for Jackpot Factory. The US is/was the #1 player base, but as to exact numbers, I'd be curious to know as well. And I was pretty surprised to find out that Canada is their second largest market...I would have figured the UK for sure. I included Germany in the list as it seems that they are the most valuable on a player to player basis.

Canadian players still our second biggest player base

Australia our third biggest player base

Germany with the highest player values and top localization we have plenty to offer here

France no secret that this is the new US and we are in there with a very big investment


Onto a somewhat silly question.....How are the casinos going to survive?


I never would have picked Canada as #2 either? I have many friends in Canada and NONE of them gamble. (or drive...lol)
 

Pinababy69

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Onto a somewhat silly question.....How are the casinos going to survive?


I never would have picked Canada as #2 either? I have many friends in Canada and NONE of them gamble. (or drive...lol)

I don't think it's a silly question. My "guess" would be that they will survive, but they'll have to get used to making less money. Operations like 32Red have gotten by okay, but then they have always geared their marketing more to the UK/European market, as opposed to US players. But....I'd bet if we had a look at their balance sheet at year end, their profits are not what you would see from a group that DOES take US players.

I also think this is why we have seen consolidation of groups in the last year or two. As in Carmen Media/Belle Rock absorbing the Trident Group. And Vegas Partner taking over the Golden Riviera Group...maybe others, can't remember off the top of my head. By consolidating their marketing costs, support costs, etc. they cut down on their overhead, and perhaps make up for some of the lost revenue from the US. That's all just a guess on my part, I'm not very good in Economics, but it does make sense.

P.S. - I don't drive either, lol. And anyone on a Canadian road anywhere near me, should be thankful for that. :laugh:
 

ksech

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Okay, I have a question...
How are the players who have funds sitting in Intertops going to retrieve these funds if they can't log into their accounts? Clicking on the link in the email they sent out takes you to the home page, but when you try to log in to your account you find yourself locked out...
Am I missing some vital information on how to retrieve funds?
 

winbig

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If they do pull out, then yes, they will be making less money - but for a short time. Without having to worry about the every day changes with the USA, then of course they're going to put much more time and money into the non-USA markets. I'm sure each casino have team(s) that are working on nothing but banking issues for USA players. Manpower that will be freed up and can be put to other uses.....:|

But, the same thing goes for affiliates, as well. Of course there will by a 'dry spell', but well-established affiliates will definitely survive.

*crosses fingers that this doesn't happen*
 

Pinababy69

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Okay, I have a question...
How are the players who have funds sitting in Intertops going to retrieve these funds if they can't log into their accounts? Clicking on the link in the email they sent out takes you to the home page, but when you try to log in to your account you find yourself locked out...
Am I missing some vital information on how to retrieve funds?

One, ksech, have you written to support? If so, what was their answer?

Two, you can try PM'ing the rep here on the forum and asking for his/her assistance. Although I believe they are travelling at the moment, as I'm still waiting for a reply to my PM of a couple of days ago re: the other Intertops thread relating to them and Jackpot Capital. Link to their contact info:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/members/

Three, if all else fails, perhaps Dominique can provide some insight, as she is one of the better known/higher profile affiliates and seems to be in contact with them (judging by her posts in the thread). If she doesn't see this ksech, try PM'ing her as well. Link to her contact info:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/members/
 

dominique

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Have you tried going to www.intertops.com and logging in there? You can withdraw from the website, you don't need to go to the casino.

Re. MGS casinos making less money - some will, but for most the elimination of the skyrocketing processing fees (thanks to prohibition UIGEA) will free up a ton of money they can spend on marketing elsewhere. They will likely be better off without the US, it has become too costly to operate here for them.
 

Pinababy69

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Thanks Dom, see I didn't know that, lol. I'd forgotten they also have a sportsbook right? And that you can move your money around via the website.

Let us know ksechs how it goes.
 
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