Jack Gold Casino Site Down For 2 Days Now

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Hi all,

I've noticed the Jack Gold Casino site has been down for 2 days now. The site just has a message saying 'Sorry, but we are making some very important changes'.

I'm not sure if the site has been down longer than 2 days, as this is only when I first noticed, but I find it very odd, as even maintenance doesn't usually take 2 days, and most casino's wouldn't dream of losing 2 days of revenue for maintenance reasons.

Does anyone have any information as to what is happening? Maybe the rep can chime in?

Pretty frustrating after I recently gave them a recommendation on here.

Any help would be appreciated.
 
I'm wondering if this is a UK licensing issue? The owner is Locus Gaming who has a UK based website here: xxxhttp://www.locusgaming.co.uk/

FWIW, they have links to the Jack Gold Twitter account (last update May 31) and Facebook page (June 2nd)

I suppose if you have facebook you could always try sending a message to them that way...? xxxhttps://www.facebook.com/JackGoldCasino
 
It looks a little more serious than they are letting on.

Their facebook page was regularly being updated with news, competitions, etc. Not often, but at least a couple of times a month or more. Then, all of a sudden, everything stops on 2nd June when they post a competition. This would have been the obvious place to post that the casino would be down for extended maintenance, so why didn't they? Also, why did their Facebook page die despite the casino still being operational until recently.

It has all the hallmarks of major organisational change, such as the casino being sold on, leaving the new owners either unaware of the Facebook page, or unwilling to continue with it.

Given that every day a casino is offline, it loses out on making money, it seems odd that it is down for 2 days, yet no one can be arsed to communicate with the players to reassure them that things are just fine.

If they have a phone number, it's worth seeing if that works.

If emails are ignored, and several phonecalls to CS just "ring out" rather than get answered, then it's probably a sign that the operation has gone under, and an approach to the platform provider should be the next step.

This is pretty odd for a casino licenced in the Isle of Man, so maybe the IOM regulator can help with information as to why no one was informed in advance of extended maintenance, even though there are plenty of opportunities to engage with players during the process (Facebook page is one example).

UK regulations allow for a "continuation licence", so there is no need for an offshore site to have an unannounced interruption of service, unless of course, the operator messed up and isn't able to get their application in by the 16th September.
 
It looks a little more serious than they are letting on.

Their facebook page was regularly being updated with news, competitions, etc. Not often, but at least a couple of times a month or more. Then, all of a sudden, everything stops on 2nd June when they post a competition. This would have been the obvious place to post that the casino would be down for extended maintenance, so why didn't they? Also, why did their Facebook page die despite the casino still being operational until recently.

It has all the hallmarks of major organisational change, such as the casino being sold on, leaving the new owners either unaware of the Facebook page, or unwilling to continue with it.

Given that every day a casino is offline, it loses out on making money, it seems odd that it is down for 2 days, yet no one can be arsed to communicate with the players to reassure them that things are just fine.

If they have a phone number, it's worth seeing if that works.

If emails are ignored, and several phonecalls to CS just "ring out" rather than get answered, then it's probably a sign that the operation has gone under, and an approach to the platform provider should be the next step.

This is pretty odd for a casino licenced in the Isle of Man, so maybe the IOM regulator can help with information as to why no one was informed in advance of extended maintenance, even though there are plenty of opportunities to engage with players during the process (Facebook page is one example).

UK regulations allow for a "continuation licence", so there is no need for an offshore site to have an unannounced interruption of service, unless of course, the operator messed up and isn't able to get their application in by the 16th September.

It's a conspiracy I tells ya....
 
Hi All

Sorry for the short absence and the radio silence. We were trying to fix all of our comms and get approval of al details of what is happening with Jack Gold Casino.

Regrettably, Locus Gaming Isle of Man, the owner and operator of Jack Gold Casino, are no longer in a position to offer customers the ability to place real money wagers at their property. As such, we have started the process of looking for new owners to take over the management of the casino as we still believe the site has got loads to offer to its current and new audiences.
In the meantime, we have decided to do as per Isle of Man Gaming Commission's rules and are offering all of our customers the opportunity to:
  • withdraw their real money balances by 10/10/2014 on the site
  • ask us to process a withdrawal for them on their registered card between 11/10/2014 and 10/11/2014
The site does not offer deposit and game play functionalities anymore but, as said, as soon as a new owner has completed the transaction, they will be in a pretty good position to start trading again and welcoming players back at the casino.

We have made more information available Old / Expired Link

Feel free to reply to this thread may you need any more clarification. I will be happy to respond to all general and public enquiries in the near future.

Also, I would like to thank you all for playing at our casino and enjoying our service. It is with no little sadness we had to take this decision and we trust it is in the best interest of our players.

Cheers

Mauro

Jack Gold Casino Manager
www.jackgold.com
 
What's the going rate for an established casino these days?

Was the closure due to licensing or lack of business/cashflow?

Hopefully it wasn't because of my large cash out from those 30 free spins. :cool:
 
What's the going rate for an established casino these days?

Was the closure due to licensing or lack of business/cashflow?

Hopefully it wasn't because of my large cash out from those 30 free spins. :cool:

Ahahahahahah no mate, no worries, not your fault - won't hold it against you, I swear
It was a business decision and not due to licensing or operating issues.

Cheers

Mauro
Jack Gold Casino Manager
www.jackgold.com
 
I had a feeling this was the case when I read the OP and subsequent messages however I am glad that Jacks Ace is at least doing the right thing and paying out. Closing with some class, different from a few ones from time gone by!
 
Shame I was happy about Jack Gold and also promoting them. Shame Affiliates again gets pissed on!!

Hi

You will receive a communication soon to detail what the process is for affiliates.
Quite frankly, no one is more hurt by this than the casino (us) but it is our aim to make it fair for everyone so please just bear with us.

Cheers

Mauro
Jack Gold Casino Manager
www.jackgold.com
 
In short, you went bust!

Players are STILL having some benefits lost in the winding up process, as this was no orderly winding down with players told they had xx days left to complete their WR on any bonuses and convert any comps. The website also misrepresented the truth during this time by claiming it was "maintenance", and that things would be restored "shortly". In fact, there were no plans to restore service, as no one has yet been found to take over the operation.

The sudden closure and lack of notice for players to complete WR and redeem comps was intended to reduce the liabilities to that of the real money sitting in players' accounts at the moment of site closure.

It looks like there has been a struggle for a while, given that the Facebook page was simply abandoned in June without even an explanation. I suspect that had the players' money not been kept separate from the operator's own, this would have been another "Purple Lounge" with no money left in the company to make the payments. This is one thing that has given the IOM the edge over the LGA in terms of protecting players when things go wrong.

It's not looking too good for the IOM either, they didn't see this coming through monitoring the financial health of the operator, so we had a sudden closure, and a complete lack of information for some days.
 
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OK, Vinyl. Even if you're right and they 'went bust' at least they did it right, UNLIKE PURPLE LOUNGE!

Players will be paid. Shows the value of UK directors in a good jurisdiction like the IOM. (The directors were ex-Ladbrokes Online.)

There are different scenarios to being 'bust'. It might simply be a case of the fact they were making an operating profit but not enough to maintain the anticipated rewards for the directors and shareholders, and were unwilling to invest more to expand or market the company in the face of stiff competition. So they wound it up. Don't be so pessimistic and alarmist!
 
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OK, Vinyl. Even if you're right and they 'went bust' at least they did it right, UNLIKE PURPLE LOUNGE!

Players will be paid. Shows the value of UK directors in a good jurisdiction like the IOM. (The directors were ex-Ladbrokes Online.)


...but have they?


Time will tell. If they have stopped trading at the right moment, they will be able to pay ALL their liabilities during the liquidation of assets, this includes their suppliers (to include affiliates), and their staff (to include outsourced services).

Currently, it looks like players were protected mainly by the enforcement of client fund separation from operational costs, rather than by the directors knowing when to quit without leaving behind unpaid debts.

The problem for players is that they have to trust not only the rules, but their proper enforcement. The LGA rules should have protected players in Purple Lounge, and of course, there were UK directors in charge of the show. The players got screwed because the LGA could be "bought", and it turns out that there is an under the counter provision that allows operators to gain a waiver of the players' funds protection rules. Alderney even got egg on it's face over Full Tilt, and compounded the matter by allowing Full Tilt to strong arm them into making an exception to the usual transparency rules surrounding the later enquiry.
 
...but have they?


Time will tell. If they have stopped trading at the right moment, they will be able to pay ALL their liabilities during the liquidation of assets, this includes their suppliers (to include affiliates), and their staff (to include outsourced services).

Currently, it looks like players were protected mainly by the enforcement of client fund separation from operational costs, rather than by the directors knowing when to quit without leaving behind unpaid debts.

The problem for players is that they have to trust not only the rules, but their proper enforcement. The LGA rules should have protected players in Purple Lounge, and of course, there were UK directors in charge of the show. The players got screwed because the LGA could be "bought", and it turns out that there is an under the counter provision that allows operators to gain a waiver of the players' funds protection rules. Alderney even got egg on it's face over Full Tilt, and compounded the matter by allowing Full Tilt to strong arm them into making an exception to the usual transparency rules surrounding the later enquiry.

Agreed in general, but IIRC Purple Lounge were under the limp-wristed Maltese jurisdiction anyway. In other words another layer of obfuscation between integrity and downright dishonesty.
 
...but have they?


Time will tell. If they have stopped trading at the right moment, they will be able to pay ALL their liabilities during the liquidation of assets, this includes their suppliers (to include affiliates), and their staff (to include outsourced services).

Currently, it looks like players were protected mainly by the enforcement of client fund separation from operational costs, rather than by the directors knowing when to quit without leaving behind unpaid debts.

The problem for players is that they have to trust not only the rules, but their proper enforcement. The LGA rules should have protected players in Purple Lounge, and of course, there were UK directors in charge of the show. The players got screwed because the LGA could be "bought", and it turns out that there is an under the counter provision that allows operators to gain a waiver of the players' funds protection rules. Alderney even got egg on it's face over Full Tilt, and compounded the matter by allowing Full Tilt to strong arm them into making an exception to the usual transparency rules surrounding the later enquiry.

Hi weatherman

I appreciate your concern. Can I just say, we CHOSE to be licensed in the IOM. We wanted our player to be safe in the knowledge that anything may happen they'll still get their cash. Bonuses and points and stuff are added value the operator attributes to the players - players are not owed it by right and an operator can do whatever they please with it. Our point of view is that they should no longer stand and e'll pay players the real money they are owed.

Our suppliers and affiliates will be dealt with accordingly to what we have and want to do. We started the business with the aim to be fair and better than others and we will be in touch with each supplier. I am not 100% sure if this forum is the right place for this sort of conversation and if you are a supplier of ours feel free to get in touch privately instead of here please. I will not discuss individual situations on this thread.

Thanks a lot

Mauro
Jack Gold Casino Manager
www.jackgold.com
 
Hi weatherman

I appreciate your concern. Can I just say, we CHOSE to be licensed in the IOM. We wanted our player to be safe in the knowledge that anything may happen they'll still get their cash. Bonuses and points and stuff are added value the operator attributes to the players - players are not owed it by right and an operator can do whatever they please with it. Our point of view is that they should no longer stand and e'll pay players the real money they are owed.

Our suppliers and affiliates will be dealt with accordingly to what we have and want to do. We started the business with the aim to be fair and better than others and we will be in touch with each supplier. I am not 100% sure if this forum is the right place for this sort of conversation and if you are a supplier of ours feel free to get in touch privately instead of here please. I will not discuss individual situations on this thread.

Thanks a lot

Mauro
Jack Gold Casino Manager
www.jackgold.com

You may find not too many players agreeing with this view. Things like comp points are EARNED through being a loyal customer. They are advertised as being a part of what has been purchased. Bonuses already granted for a purchase already belong to the player, and thus have some monetary value. They may have been a key factor in the decision to purchase, and some real money may already have been spent on the process of redeeming the bonus funds.

One key fact here is the deliberate intent of giving players zero notice so that they could not go and complete WR or redeem comps into their main accounts. This was not "playing fair" at all, this was designed to minimise the potential liability to creditors prior to making the formal announcement.

As for suppliers, a simple statement such as "affiliates will be paid all their earned commissions up to the date of closure by the 10th October" will suffice.

Affiliates are not all "big corporations". Many are small time self employed, and losing the commissions from one of their promoted venues could put them out of business.

If the casino went bust with insufficient monies to pay all it's debts, then even the IOM hasn't offered the kind of protection many thought it would. The aim of strict regulation is to spot this kind of thing BEFORE it happens, and force an orderly winding up of a casino that isn't seen as viable, so that at least everyone gets what they are owed.

As players, how can we trust even IOM casinos in respect of rewards that build up over time, rather than get awarded instantly.

Contrast this with an ORDERLY exit, or partial exit. GoWild have decided to close at short notice to UK players. Now, not only are players' cash balances being protected and migrated to a buyer (in this case, 32Red), but existing bonuses and earned comp points are also being migrated so that UK players can carry on from where they left off, completing WR and redeeming their comps. These two casinos are licenced in Malta and Gibraltar respectively, jurisdictions less trusted than the IOM.

Every time players get shafted, even lightly, by such an event damages the whole industry. Players are forever trying to spot the signs that a casino with their money in it is about to go bust, pull out of their country etc, and all with zero notice. The problem is that this leads to "false positives". The next casino may GENUINELY have had a server meltdown that takes their site offline for over 2 days, and prevents support staff from communicating any reassuring information to players. Unfortunately, players may play safe and assume they are about to lose their cash, and will do their best to fight for it before it's too late.

We are STILL told that players will get their money "by the 10th October". What is less clear is whether all players who request their money will have to wait that long, or whether funds will be paid per request within a couple of days (no need for a pending period for potential reversal now is there).
 
You may find not too many players agreeing with this view. Things like comp points are EARNED through being a loyal customer. They are advertised as being a part of what has been purchased. Bonuses already granted for a purchase already belong to the player, and thus have some monetary value. They may have been a key factor in the decision to purchase, and some real money may already have been spent on the process of redeeming the bonus funds.

One key fact here is the deliberate intent of giving players zero notice so that they could not go and complete WR or redeem comps into their main accounts. This was not "playing fair" at all, this was designed to minimise the potential liability to creditors prior to making the formal announcement.

As for suppliers, a simple statement such as "affiliates will be paid all their earned commissions up to the date of closure by the 10th October" will suffice.

Affiliates are not all "big corporations". Many are small time self employed, and losing the commissions from one of their promoted venues could put them out of business.

If the casino went bust with insufficient monies to pay all it's debts, then even the IOM hasn't offered the kind of protection many thought it would. The aim of strict regulation is to spot this kind of thing BEFORE it happens, and force an orderly winding up of a casino that isn't seen as viable, so that at least everyone gets what they are owed.

As players, how can we trust even IOM casinos in respect of rewards that build up over time, rather than get awarded instantly.

Contrast this with an ORDERLY exit, or partial exit. GoWild have decided to close at short notice to UK players. Now, not only are players' cash balances being protected and migrated to a buyer (in this case, 32Red), but existing bonuses and earned comp points are also being migrated so that UK players can carry on from where they left off, completing WR and redeeming their comps. These two casinos are licenced in Malta and Gibraltar respectively, jurisdictions less trusted than the IOM.

Every time players get shafted, even lightly, by such an event damages the whole industry. Players are forever trying to spot the signs that a casino with their money in it is about to go bust, pull out of their country etc, and all with zero notice. The problem is that this leads to "false positives". The next casino may GENUINELY have had a server meltdown that takes their site offline for over 2 days, and prevents support staff from communicating any reassuring information to players. Unfortunately, players may play safe and assume they are about to lose their cash, and will do their best to fight for it before it's too late.

We are STILL told that players will get their money "by the 10th October". What is less clear is whether all players who request their money will have to wait that long, or whether funds will be paid per request within a couple of days (no need for a pending period for potential reversal now is there).


Hi weatherman

Thanks for your feedback. This conversation is clearly not going to go anywhere and I cannot continue stating the same point as it's becoming repetitive and inefficient.

The comm to players clearly says:
-Your withdrawal request will be processed by a member of staff in up to 5 working days, although we will aim to do this as quickly as possible. All payments will be made to the debit or credit card registered on your account. It is your responsibility to make sure those details are correct

I invited everyone to read that and it could have not possibly been written any clearer.
I am not going to continue a sterile conversation but as I said, am happy to consider individual circumstances may you wish to express them through the relevant channels. I appreciate the work done on this forum and am a huge fan of it but clearly this is degenerating and I do not wish for myself personally or the business and brand I represent to be part of that.

Cheers

Mauro
Jack Gold Casino Manager
www.jackgold.com
 
Hi weatherman

Thanks for your feedback. This conversation is clearly not going to go anywhere and I cannot continue stating the same point as it's becoming repetitive and inefficient.

The comm to players clearly says:
-Your withdrawal request will be processed by a member of staff in up to 5 working days, although we will aim to do this as quickly as possible. All payments will be made to the debit or credit card registered on your account. It is your responsibility to make sure those details are correct

I invited everyone to read that and it could have not possibly been written any clearer.
I am not going to continue a sterile conversation but as I said, am happy to consider individual circumstances may you wish to express them through the relevant channels. I appreciate the work done on this forum and am a huge fan of it but clearly this is degenerating and I do not wish for myself personally or the business and brand I represent to be part of that.

Cheers

Mauro
Jack Gold Casino Manager
www.jackgold.com

What business? It has ceased trading:confused:
 
please, cut these guys some slack. They seem to be trying to do an orderly close down, paying out players, as their jobs are going.

Now we can speculate about why now, the looming prospect of either paying big fees for UK access or losing UK players must be a hit to the business model though, but they are clearly trying to do their best as their business and jobs go pffft.

It may well be some creditors lose out as always happens with failed enterprises but they are not robbing like has happened in the past with online gambling firms.
 
I think vinyl makes some very good points regarding comp points and the whole notice period and 'maintenance' or 'update' claims.

I may have had just a few quid in comp points sitting in my account, so I'm not really affected by it all, however, if I was a customer who had say 20,000 points of gold dust comp points sitting in my account, I'd be furious to lose those, as I have essentially paid for, and earnt them.

I can't remember the exact figures, so feel free to correct me, but I think the comp points can be redeemed for between 0.80 - $1.00 per 100 gold dust comp points. Hence you can see why a player would be aggrieved had they a large comp balance, and no prior opportunity to redeem them before the shut down.

I think it's great that JG want to pay their players what their owed, but I have to agree with vinyl here, and add that the payout should include comp points earnt.

This would definitely ensure those players return should you make a comeback.
 
I think vinyl makes some very good points regarding comp points and the whole notice period and 'maintenance' or 'update' claims.

I may have had just a few quid in comp points sitting in my account, so I'm not really affected by it all, however, if I was a customer who had say 20,000 points of gold dust comp points sitting in my account, I'd be furious to lose those, as I have essentially paid for, and earnt them.

I can't remember the exact figures, so feel free to correct me, but I think the comp points can be redeemed for between 0.80 - $1.00 per 100 gold dust comp points. Hence you can see why a player would be aggrieved had they a large comp balance, and no prior opportunity to redeem them before the shut down.

I think it's great that JG want to pay their players what their owed, but I have to agree with vinyl here, and add that the payout should include comp points earnt.

This would definitely ensure those players return should you make a comeback.

Leaving players feeling short changed is also bad for the brand if it were to ever come back with new owners. Not just the particular casino, but the software brand too. Some years ago, the software provider "Hype" arose, and the games were rated very highly by players. The whole thing then collapsed as one Hype powered operator after another got caught up in "dodgy dealings", and eventually the whole lot went bust, this time taking players' money with them. This didn't just finish off the operators, it destroyed the reputation of the software too, it has never been seen since.

Rival are also in danger of going the same way, great software, but too many dodgy operators among the good ones. This has impacted the software brand to the extent that even the best operators are judged negatively simply because they have chosen a software brand who's other operators have had a habit of screwing players or going bust.

If new owners do take over Jack Gold, the first thing they will have to deal with would be ex players wanting the reinstatement of lost comps and bonuses before they will return. There will also be affiliates wanting their unpaid commission, plus the carrying of their tags from the players they originally referred.

Despite doing their best, the rep has avoided giving a straight answer about money owed to affiliates, and keeps shifting the subject back to the promise that players will get back all the "real money" in their accounts. Affiliates will probably have to write off anything they are owed, and just hope that some time during the winding up process there will be something left to give them a fraction of the debt back.
 

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