Its time to stop chasing the rainbow

Well then - I would say WS that you probably are more HABIT formed or HOBBY formed than addiction - as you have your limits that are VERY set...

Those that are addicted will probably (At least to my knowledge) stop at nothing to gamble.

In my own opinion only - methinks you've just screwed up ---

And trust me - we have ALL screwed up. :notworthy

Just like folks in a Stock Market that choose stocks that nose dive the next day... We ALL make mistakes.

But how you deal with it - will determine your future course - and for you - I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST - whether you gamble again or not.

:thumbsup:
 
I personally have been addicted to a couple of....err....'substances' in my lifetime and I lost a fairly large sum of money (and time and brain cells) doing it. Once I quit, starting again wouldn't help me get back anything that I lost, it would have just cost me more. If you're an alcoholic and you ruin your liver and crash your car, starting to drink again won't resurrect either of them.

With gambling it's harder because there's the teeny tiniest chance you MIGHT make back what you've lost. Maybe you think "oh I'm down $2K or $10K....maybe I'll just make one more deposit and maybe this time I'll win to try to make back what I lost. And THEN I'll quit." And then one more deposit...then one more.

If you're playing for enjoyment it's one thing - playing in desperation to make back what you've already lost is another. I've felt myself on that slippery slope of chasing losses only once and it's a horrible feeling. When it was over I was like "Why the hell didn't I stop after losing the first deposit?"

@wonderingspirit, I wish you luck. It may be a good idea to stop completely for awhile and then later if you want to play again, make a budget and force yourself to stick to it. Some casinos will let you set a deposit limit per month, have you checked into that?
 
Really??? I don't mean this as hurtful or trolling. Please educate yourself about addiction. Addiction to alcohol, drugs, sex, gambling, eating disorders or anything else is a branch off of the same limb. It is a personality disorder.

Note: I am not trying to imply the OP is addicted to anything. Only time will tell.

He's addicted. He stated in so many words in his on post

In march I thought my luck was changing when I hit a random at Partycasino for 2000$+
But I have to admit, it did more harm than good.

My fiancee getting frustrated, and I promised to stop playing.But in my head.. just one more time..

Today while my fiancee was gone I deposited more than 10 times. I actually blocked my mind from counting. It only took my a couple of hours to spend all my deposits. Chasing losses. Very dangerous.
Wonderingspirit

Gambling is EVIL pure and simple. We can spin it as fun and entertainment all we want to. Those who can truely afford to lose a few bucks here and there. Its sometimes called fun and entertainment. But for the poor its a gamble. The truth is online gambling has ruined countless numbers of lives. It has caused once happy homes to break up. Even suicide. I have had 3 wives to leave me because of it. (1 of 10 yrs who was my soulmate. I was the only man she known.) And this is just from Online Casinos. I haven't gambled in a few weeks now. I have called my ex wife of 10 yrs and we have been going out to eat and movies. I am honestly finished with it. Its no longer worth it. When a person crashes and truely tired. They will quit or seek help. I would hope the OP and most of those who have problems will address it. Its no fun being trapped in your own mind of addiction. Its NO FUN!
 
Gambling is EVIL pure and simple.
For those that allow this form of entertainment to take over their lives. Just as liquor, sex and drugs can do if allowed...Gambling is a past time just as movies, dinners out, clubbing etc is...it is only a different form that has a black mark against it because we are brainwashed into thinking this way...anything in the world can become addiction...but for some reason society decides which ones are "EVIL". Is a sex addict "EVIL"? No, they call it a sickness...just as gambling is to a few....

Evil is when one does harm to another without cause.....

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I started gambling online in 2005. My gf didnt like it, she never liked gambling) Only poker. And it was ok. I had a budget, and I won some small tourneys. Once I even started at 1$ table with 20$ playing against people with 2-300$. After 45 minutes I had cleaned 2 players and was up to 550$. 3 hours later I left with 1100$.

I decided to try some slots, and had a big hit in the beginning at microgaming, winning close to 1000$.

After a while in poker I used to get frustrated when I spent hours building a roll from 30$ to 500$. Just to lose all at a higher table against donk calls all in within minutes. Worst one was when I was reraised by a guy all in preflop. I had to call I had KK , he had 63 os and won on a straight. These bad beats happened over and over, and the casinos when they hit, put me up 500-1000$ in less than an hour.

So I went more and more over to casinos and less and less poker playing.

That's interesting - that more or less describes me, too. Poker was fun in the 'early days' before EVERYBODY played it. Now you go on Stars or Tilt and you just KNOW everyone is playing with all kinds of play assistance software that make it nearly IMPOSSIBLE to win more than small amounts. Just a complete waste of time, IMO. So I've essentially stopped playing poker. Don't miss it even a little bit. :D Probably won't ever get back into it.

And until Stars and Tilt get serious about evening the playing field by banning use of these things, most fish like me will eventually stop, because when it's no longer fun, what is the point.
 
For those that allow this form of entertainment to take over their lives. Just as liquor, sex and drugs can do if allowed...Gambling is a past time just as movies, dinners out, clubbing etc is...it is only a different form that has a black mark against it because we are brainwashed into thinking this way...anything in the world can become addiction...but for some reason society decides which ones are "EVIL". Is a sex addict "EVIL"? No, they call it a sickness...just as gambling is to a few....

Evil is when one does harm to another without cause.....

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I respect your opinion. Go ask someone who has been in recovery what he/she thought about in the beginning; and what they think about it now.
 
That's interesting - that more or less describes me, too. Poker was fun in the 'early days' before EVERYBODY played it. Now you go on Stars or Tilt and you just KNOW everyone is playing with all kinds of play assistance software that make it nearly IMPOSSIBLE to win more than small amounts. Just a complete waste of time, IMO. So I've essentially stopped playing poker. Don't miss it even a little bit. :D Probably won't ever get back into it.

And until Stars and Tilt get serious about evening the playing field by banning use of these things, most fish like me will eventually stop, because when it's no longer fun, what is the point.

I Agree 100%. I first started online at Poker.com and delta Poker. I remember when Paradise first came out. Those was the good ole days. MY accounts at pokerstars and full tilt are closed. I don't miss it either. I live about 30 mins from the real casinos. There are good live poker games 24/7.
 
I Agree 100%. I first started online at Poker.com and delta Poker. I remember when Paradise first came out. Those was the good ole days. MY accounts at pokerstars and full tilt are closed. I don't miss it either. I live about 30 mins from the real casinos. There are good live poker games 24/7.

Yeah, LIVE poker I will play, I do enjoy that. Maybe it's the whole, "I'm going to Atlantic City, wheee, gonna win some moneyyyy!" thing. :D Get bored at poker? Jump over to the slots or blackjack. And then there are the food comps and free hotel nights, the dustbuster gifts and stuff like that - going to B&M is rewarding in ways that online will never be able to be. And in the summer, the beach in AC is so gorgeous.

You also feel confidence that the casinos are regulated, and so you are less likely to get outright ripped off.

But yeah, online poker sucks now.
 
Tell me about it buddy. It feels so good to go and be treated like someone. The atmosphere is just awesome. 10+ different places to eat. I usally play about 3 or 4 hrs of poker and get my whole stay comped. Online casinos has nothing on B&M. Except the game speed. B&M no hassle no waiting to get your money. No bonus 10X+ wagering requirements. NO BULL$HIT! What I like to do is once I get there. Goto the craps table win about $100 or so and just take the whole day off and relax. Its like a free stay that day. I'll gamble a bit the next day. I hardly ever try to win big. If I can leave close to what I came with. I am very happy. I got a vacation for alittle of nothing.
 
B&M no hassle no waiting to get your money.

Yes, that is a BIG draw to B&M - same day cash payment, no fees. Ever think about that - how can a B&M with such high fixed costs (high taxes, staff payroll, maintenance and upkeep costs, capital improvements, etc.) afford to be so generous with customers, with the food comps, hotel nights, etc., where online casinos are relatively cheap??? I don't quite get the math behind that, unless it's real simple, that online casinos just make huge buckets of cash over similarly popular B&M casinos.

LonelyHearts said:
What I like to do is once I get there. Goto the craps table win about $100 or so and just take the whole day off and relax. Its like a free stay that day. I'll gamble a bit the next day. I hardly ever try to win big. If I can leave close to what I came with. I am very happy. I got a vacation for alittle of nothing.

In the summer, as I say, AC is great, and many non-gambling people take the $30 Greyhound there, get $25 in comps at the casino, and stay the day, go back home later, and voila, a $5 day at the beach/boardwalk. :thumbsup:
 
Can someone please tell me how cocaine, gambling, food, and sex affects the brain a la dopamine,etc.??:thumbsup:...............or maybe you could google some medical or similar studies, or even search this forum.

@BryanD........do not agree to disagree, chemically in the brain you are spot on:thumbsup:
 
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Slot Machine Near Misses Are Perfectly Tuned to Stoke the Addiction


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To a gamblers brain, a near miss provides almost the same high as a win, according to a new study that helps explain the allure of slot machines and the difficulty that some gamblers have in walking away. The near-miss is quite a paradoxical event, [researcher Luke] Clark says. Gamblers who almost win put their head down in their hands they cant believe it. And then the next thing they do is place another bet [Science News].

In the small study, published in Neuron [subscription required], researchers had 15 volunteers play a slot machine while their brain activity was recorded with fMRI scans. When the researchers compared the scans, they found that near misses drew more blood to reward regions such as the insula and the ventral striatum than full misses did [ScienceNOW Daily News]. These areas are also activated by rewards like chocolate and cocaine; when the near misses partially activated the so-called reward pathway, it released pleasant doses of the brain chemical dopamine.

Researchers say it makes sense for the brain to respond to almost hitting a target. For some tasks, such as learning to kick a soccer ball into a goal or firing an arrow at a target, near-misses are informative. Youre acquiring the skill, and the brain should pay attention to near-misses, Clark says. But in gambling, almost winning has no effect on the next pull of the lever or roll of the dice. Games of chance tell you nothing about future success, he says [Science News]. Gambling has essentially hijacked the natural reward system, Clark says, and he adds that its not only gambling addicts who have to worry about being tricked by their own brains. Importantly, our volunteers in this study were not regular or problem gamblers, and so these findings suggest that the brain may naturally respond to near misses in this way [Telegraph].

Slot machine makers capitalize on the near-miss effect. Researchers have found that they program their games to tease players with near misses about 30% of the timea number previous studies have found optimal for getting gamblers to keep coming back [ScienceNOW Daily News]. The researchers also found that when they gave the test subjects a sense of control over the games outcome by letting them choose when to stop the first reel of the slot machine, the effect of near misses was heightened. Thats another stratagem that Vegas got wise to some time ago.

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To the OP:

Go here and read this:

https://www.casinomeister.com/quit-gambling/

And if you're simply 'closing' casino accounts... go back and email them and have the accounts blocked. Tell them you have a gambling addiction and they will block them.

Get Gamblock or similar.

Email/PM Bryan (Casinomeister) and have him close your account here.

There is much to see and do and experience in this world, some of it good, some of it bad.... But don't let gambling and the worry over it take over your life.

I wish you a happy and productive future.
 
Slot machine makers capitalize on the near-miss effect. Researchers have found that they program their games to tease players with near misses about 30% of the timea number previous studies have found optimal for getting gamblers to keep coming back [ScienceNOW Daily News]. The researchers also found that when they gave the test subjects a sense of control over the games outcome by letting them choose when to stop the first reel of the slot machine, the effect of near misses was heightened. Thats another stratagem that Vegas got wise to some time ago.

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See they know we're addicts. They even program the slots to mess with our heads. No wonder there is a lot of RTG thread popping up around here. RTG slots got that self stopping button. I see RTG loves to fuck with our heads also. :)
 
Hi wondering spirit,

The very fact that you have made 100+ deposits and no cashouts is a sure sign that you have problems knowing when to stop. Perhaps in the short term get a gambling blocker installed onto your computer, these will help to prevent you from opening any gambling related sites.

Also make sure you dont simply just close your accounts, or they can be reactivated at a later date. Get them to self exclude you as well.

If you have a gambling problem and are serious about quitting then continuing to participate on this site is not ideal. Perhaps join a forum with other people with gambling problems, so you can share your thoughts and experiences.

Mike
 
Hi wondering spirit,



If you have a gambling problem and are serious about quitting then continuing to participate on this site is not ideal. Perhaps join a forum with other people with gambling problems, so you can share your thoughts and experiences.

Mike

PERFECTLY True...

IF YOU ARE TRYING TO QUIT - then coming to a gambling forum -especially ones where there are gambling promotions - is NOT the thing to do.

I realize you may have developed friends and information and connections - but if you are trying to quit gambling - you need to steer clear of ANYTHING to do with gambling.
 
PERFECTLY True...

IF YOU ARE TRYING TO QUIT - then coming to a gambling forum -especially ones where there are gambling promotions - is NOT the thing to do.

I realize you may have developed friends and information and connections - but if you are trying to quit gambling - you need to steer clear of ANYTHING to do with gambling.

Good point, Wagerwitch. Now I think we see eye to eye on this issue. :thumbsup:
 
Good point, Wagerwitch. Now I think we see eye to eye on this issue. :thumbsup:

Where is Babs???.........I have always considered some of the intial Luigi threads as misguided as it gets but those threads are not a party of "ONE" per se by any means. As much as I blow members minds:p;), this forum blows my mind with it's open arms to the addicted!!

Kinda tough knowing some respected members that live double lives on this forum and they were not victims of the tough economic times. But at the end of the day, I suppose I shouldn't interfere or even express my opinion nor in some cases concern, one must want to help themselves, I got my own issues to deal with........GOOD LUCK:)
 
NASHVEGAS:this forum blows my mind with it's open arms to the addicted!!
I do not know if you were trying to be fecetious or not..but I am taking it in the vien I am understanding it ...and that is that, you want this forum to ignore a player asking for help, send them away...etc ?

To totally ignore someone that has come here and explained his dilemma, and wanting advice...is rude and unhelpful.

There could be some players on this forum that are addicted...but who are we to judge them? Who are we to ignore them?

If a player that is addicted comes to this forum freely...and asks for help, who are we to turn our backs to them?

I mean , do we shut the door on everyone and anyone that has a bad gambling day out of the norm, and stigmatize them with the claim they are "addicted" without cause?

Your opinion is valued just as any one else's. When someone asks how they should come clean to their mate...why not give your experience if you had one in how to do this instead of wanting to banish them to their own resources without support for getting back to normality which is what I understood was what he wanted?

Just my 2 cents...I feel if they can gamble, and are full grown adults...then the responsibility to own up to an addiction is on them...not for us to point fingers especially when they are down...and asking for help.

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... this is a gambling forum.....where should an addict go? to walmart? :confused:
He /she could go to gambler anonymous....I know...the think is that an addict, doesnt know yet that he/she is one, otherwise he/she wouldnt be an addict.....!!!!
:rolleyes:
...and ,beside all that, lets try to help eachother instead of trying to be "D Best"poster at all costs.
Many of us have lost fortune....and I mean a lot a lot a lot of money and now all of sudden we want to judge others instead of trying to help em?

kakata
 
Sometimes because a player goes beyond his means or his "NORMAL" standards in a ONE time situation does NOT make an ADDICT.

Pure and simple.

Does going to a frat party and BEER Bonging it - and getting so drunk you are puking make every Teen Boy and Girl an Alcoholic?

NO.

Gambling, hobbies, sports - they ALL require a learning phase.

Since when did screwing up mean you're an addict.

Now... If someone said - I keep gambling - I'm in debt - I'm borrowing money to fund my gambling - I'm hoping to win to pay it all back - I just cannot stop gambling for MONTHS now...

Then I would say - POSSIBLE ADDICT.

But any activity - be it drinking, gambling or whatever - sometimes PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES.

And some people repeat their mistakes... For a little while... Or way down the road.

But THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE ADDICTS.

Addiction is truly a different beast, in my very humble opinion.

And I will tell you - I COULD give up gambling... I could NEVER do it again... Just like I could decide never to read again - or drive my car again - or eat sausage again.

But a true addict - well - NOTHING matters but feeding the addiction.

But I choose to enjoy it as a part of my life.

I'm not DESPERATE to do it --- but I will say that there have been times I have misjudged my finances before... There have been times I might have not quite told the truth because I was worried what people might think of me.

But I decided - it doesn't MATTER what people think.

Gambling has a "TABOO" on it. And well folks - that is something you have to figure into the equation.

A lot of normal every day people who are NOT addicts - will treat gambling as if it is something that is "EVIL" or nasty - or something to be hidden...

Which I believe causes most of the problems.

NOW - problem gambling is a different beast entirely.

NOTE that I said - ADDICTION IS A DIFFERENT BEAST.

If you were a TRUE addict to gambling - you probably could give 2 craps about what anyone thinks.... You probably have no cares about your finances.

I DO KNOW SOME TRUE GAMBLERS who have not yet faced up to their addictions and Gambling has controlled their lives... To the point of losing houses, losing cars, losing family.

ME... I learned my lesson when one bank got drawn over - and my husband got upset. OOPS - I did NOT mean to do that... And well - I learned my lesson. That doesn't mean I won't do it again or it can't happen again, I am, after all ONLY human.

BUT - I know better and usually make myself stick to my budget - and go no further.

Like I said - I GAMBLE - that is MY hobby.

Trying to take away the stigmata of gambling from people who have it ingrained in their head that a person who MAKES MISTAKES IN GAMBLING - is an ADDICT... Frustrates me.

People make mistakes all the freaking time.

People misjudge the distance to the parking pole - and back up into the pole hurting their cars... ARE THEY POLE or CAR ADDICTS?

People fall down when they roller skate - are they falling down addicts?

People eat too much at a buffet - are they buffet addicts?

Give me a BREAK.

Taking responsibility for your own damn actions - and fixing your mistakes as they come up - is a NORMAL part of life.

Now... if you keep making the same mistake - and it becomes necessary for you to KEEP making that mistake - and keep falling behind and KEEP losing and then you lie about it to cover it up - BUT you must gamble or do whatever it is that you do at ALL costs - well then you might have an addiction.

But gamblers are prone to mistakes and screw ups just like ANY OTHER thing.

I think most gamblers have HIGH Hopes... but are NOT addicts.

And most people who make mistakes are NOT addicts.

I am not an addict.

And I highly doubt most people here on this forum ARE.

I think more people here are hopeful - and some have systems to hopefully win - but most... are just every day people who choose to play gambling games for fun (or possibly profit if they have a system down).

Anyhow - to have yourself classify someone who makes an error like this an addict is demeaning.

It is demoralizing.

PEOPLE FREAKING MAKE MISTAKES.

It is the repetition and NOT learning - that makes it different.

So - forgive people who make those mistakes - and quit calling them addicts.

IF they don't learn from them - (and yes, some people who are NOT addicts make the same mistake a couple of times in a row - or later down the road... Just like a hobby shooter misses his mark sometimes - or normal families misjudge their budgets sometimes...) IF they don't learn from them and figure a way to mix it into their life - then there might be a problem.

But gambling makes a lot of people HIDE and LIE.

And that makes the mistakes - the hiding and lying seem MORE like an addiction.

When it isn't.

People shouldn't have to go through that type of brainwashing guilt.



****NOTE: Before ANYONE says anything - let me say that there ARE addicts. There ARE addictions - and ANYONE going through an addiction NEEDS HELP... Addictions are horrible - and it's awful to see someone you care about - or yourself go through them...

This is about KNOWING that you are NOT addicted to gambling - but being made to feel like you are - because you enjoy it and continue it ---- And feeling guilty about it.

STOP feeling guilty and get responsible - enjoy your life and your gambling too - BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS.

Stop lying about gambling if you are...

BE RESPONSIBLE for what you choose to do... Whether it's money... spending time at the computer or games... Whatever you do --- MAKE SURE IT WORKS FOR YOU.

And that is what I had to say.

I can't tell you whether the OP is an addict - and I won't treat him - her - you - me - like an addict until the determination that you/him/her/me happens to be an addict...

And an addict shouldn't be here - because an addict gambling is something entirely different than most people.

An addict gambling is someone who has NO control - and is NOT responsible for their actions and WILL not take responsibility - and it doesn't matter WHO gets hurt - how often they get hurt - and it's a horrible thing to watch someone else go through.

So know thyself.

If you're an addict - then you should seek help - PROFESSIONAL HELP - counselor, clergy, an Anon group - or whatever... But you need help.

If you just screwed up - well put your bootstraps on and damn well fix it.
 
If you're an addict - then you should seek help - PROFESSIONAL HELP - counselor, clergy, an Anon group - or whatever... But you need help.

Right on ! and for all the pages and pages of this thread, that's pretty much what it comes down to . Noone here is qualified to help someone with this problem . All the great advice and compassion in the world isn't going to help until someone is ready to get help .
As a side note : it is refreshing to see so many people here who care about one another .
 

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