Its time to stop chasing the rainbow

WonderingSpirit

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Im born unlucky, and I will die unlucky. Its time to face it. Right now I'm in the middle of closing all my casinoaccounts.

In march I thought my luck was changing when I hit a random at Partycasino for 2000$+
But I have to admit, it did more harm than good.

Bigger or/and more deposits.
My fiancee getting frustrated, and I promised to stop playing.

But in my head.. just one more time..

Today while my fiancee was gone I deposited more than 10 times. I actually blocked my mind from counting. It only took my a couple of hours to spend all my deposits. Chasing losses. Very dangerous.

All i know is that, in the end I would have to atleast hit 1 small random to get in the black or 5 scatters maybe


Over 100 deposits in a row. All gone. 0 cashouts. Most of them I was never ahead.
I came close with Cherry red once, were I was at 2000+, but before WR were met, the profit was so small I just continued... to 0.

Sometimes I have wondered if the payout ratios are sorted by countries, and Norway is at the bottom. (I know the WR is higher for Norwegians at some casinos)

Anyways, Im in big trouble with my fiancee when she finds out. I promised to stop. I didn't..

Im not going to tell. Dont want to ruin the weekend. She will find out soon enough. My guess is monday.

Right now I feel frustrated, ashamed and stupid. Really stupid.

To my fellow casinomeister members. I wish you guys the best of luck. I hope you guys achieve what I didnt. To grab the big one.

For me its time to stop chasing the Rainbow.




Wonderingspirit
 
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KasinoKing

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I sure I speak for everyone here when I say no-one wants to hear of anyone letting their gambling get out of control.
When it's not either entertaining, fun or profitable it's time to stop.

Good luck with your resolve & I hope your fiance is the forgiving sort.
KK
 

same_old

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NO!!!,

Thats not good at all wondering :(

I hope everything works out ok for you and you sort things out with your partner.
Would it maybe a good idea to give her control of your finances?- are you trusting enough to put your bank detials into her name so your pay goes to her for a while till you shake the monkey off your back?.

Your starting with the right course of action by closing ALL of the casino accounts, and you know you cant leave one or two open, you need to go the full stretch mate and close them ALL.
If it is a gamlbing problem you have and not just chasing a RJ then maybe access Bryans responsible gambling section and start with some tnings in there.

Start doing all the old things you used to before gambling matey.

Movies.
outsings with your girl friend
fishing
fixing up things that you left for while.
Work/study

You just need to get out of the mind frame and to tell you the truth after 2-3 weeks of not gamlbing it doesnt feel as bad, you dont get the itch as much so ou just need to get to that hurdle and once over it you will be on a path to somewhere good.

I'm thinking of you matey and fingers crossed for when you tell the misses, hope she can accept whats happened and support you through this time.

Will you be coming back to CM for shit and giggles?


Regards,

Same_old
 

rockycatt

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your doing the right thing dont look back and theres been a lot of remarks about casino's on line tightening up ive noticed it also

so god speed my friend dont look back :thumbsup:
 

WagerWitch

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WOW - that sounds like me several years ago.

I just couldn't admit openly that I was a gambler.

BUT I AM A GAMBLER - and what people think of me no longer matters.

I am also a gambler who knows her limits - and while I may sometimes miss the mark every once in awhile - I have learned NEVER to tell myself that I MUST do something.

Instead, I have learned to just BUDGET myself to gamble.

And that took some training.

SERIOUS Training.

It took willpower - it took - hey - sorry - just like ANY OTHER HOBBY I cannot do it.

And now that casinos have tightened tremendously lately - it is harder to play on 100.00 deposits.

But - I HAVE LEARNED TO NEVER LIE about gambling.

I am honest and straight up about it - I don't hide it - and I don't feel bad about it.

I think... and this is just me - if you are at the point that you are hiding your gambling hobby - then it has become something that controls you - instead of you controlling it.

It has become something you are ashamed of - instead of having fun at.

If you are counting on a win to pay off your debts or your deposits then you are NOT playing for fun - and YES - it is time to stop.

If you are playing to WIN at all - and your expectation is that YOU WILL WIN - then you are in the wrong business - because chances are you will NOT win... You may - but you probably won't.

I personally play to occupy my mind and my time - and I hope to win here and there... But I know that when I deposit - My deposit is LONG GONE and I probably won't see anything from it - kinda like a GOOD MEAL - once eaten - you'll only see the REAR END RESULTS in the bathroom.

Anyhow - if you are chasing a rainbow - then you probably should realize all you're gonna get out of the chase is a fun run --- there IS NO POT OF GOLD for everyone.

And a win now - does not in the future a win make.

You are PROBABLY making the right decision - to stop... If you cannot find a safe measure to play within - then you are making the right decision to stop - and I commend you for realizing this about yourself.

I hope that if you do come back (most of us do) you make yourself a budget - or reasonable expectation - and you stick to it.

AND THAT YOU NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER LIE about gambling to ANYONE.

If gambling is causing you financial hardship - then you need to know you shouldn't be doing it during the financial hardship times.

In other words:

If you have 10 dollars - and you need to buy milk and bread - GO BUY YOUR MILK AND BREAD FIRST - and leave yourself some money to buy MORE milk and bread...

But if you have 2 dollars left over not earmarked for anything - then ONE dollar can go to gambling.

That other dollar needs to be saved for the next time you need something.

YOU MUST ORGANIZE YOURSELF to maintain YOURSELF and NOT YOUR HOBBY - FIRST.

If it gets out of control - and you have no self control - then you need to step back and stop...

Which is what I commend you on doing.

If you don't come back - then - congrats...

If this is just a hiatus until you figure out the RIGHT way to do it - then we'll see you later - and hopefully under better conditions and under more strict control.

Many hugs to YOU and to every one of us who has dealt with this issue once or twice ourselves.

How you manage it - is up to you.

WagerWitch
 

WonderingSpirit

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NO!!!,



Will you be coming back to CM for shit and giggles?


Regards,

Same_old

Im not leaving the forum. Just going to stay away from the winner screenshots.

WOW - that sounds like me several years ago.

I just couldn't admit openly that I was a gambler.

BUT I AM A GAMBLER - and what people think of me no longer matters.

I am also a gambler who knows her limits - and while I may sometimes miss the mark every once in awhile - I have learned NEVER to tell myself that I MUST do something.

Instead, I have learned to just BUDGET myself to gamble.

And that took some training.

SERIOUS Training.

It took willpower - it took - hey - sorry - just like ANY OTHER HOBBY I cannot do it.

And now that casinos have tightened tremendously lately - it is harder to play on 100.00 deposits.

But - I HAVE LEARNED TO NEVER LIE about gambling.

I am honest and straight up about it - I don't hide it - and I don't feel bad about it.

I think... and this is just me - if you are at the point that you are hiding your gambling hobby - then it has become something that controls you - instead of you controlling it.

It has become something you are ashamed of - instead of having fun at.

If you are counting on a win to pay off your debts or your deposits then you are NOT playing for fun - and YES - it is time to stop.

If you are playing to WIN at all - and your expectation is that YOU WILL WIN - then you are in the wrong business - because chances are you will NOT win... You may - but you probably won't.

I personally play to occupy my mind and my time - and I hope to win here and there... But I know that when I deposit - My deposit is LONG GONE and I probably won't see anything from it - kinda like a GOOD MEAL - once eaten - you'll only see the REAR END RESULTS in the bathroom.

Anyhow - if you are chasing a rainbow - then you probably should realize all you're gonna get out of the chase is a fun run --- there IS NO POT OF GOLD for everyone.

And a win now - does not in the future a win make.

You are PROBABLY making the right decision - to stop... If you cannot find a safe measure to play within - then you are making the right decision to stop - and I commend you for realizing this about yourself.

I hope that if you do come back (most of us do) you make yourself a budget - or reasonable expectation - and you stick to it.

AND THAT YOU NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER LIE about gambling to ANYONE.

If gambling is causing you financial hardship - then you need to know you shouldn't be doing it during the financial hardship times.

In other words:

If you have 10 dollars - and you need to buy milk and bread - GO BUY YOUR MILK AND BREAD FIRST - and leave yourself some money to buy MORE milk and bread...

But if you have 2 dollars left over not earmarked for anything - then ONE dollar can go to gambling.

That other dollar needs to be saved for the next time you need something.

YOU MUST ORGANIZE YOURSELF to maintain YOURSELF and NOT YOUR HOBBY - FIRST.

If it gets out of control - and you have no self control - then you need to step back and stop...

Which is what I commend you on doing.

If you don't come back - then - congrats...

If this is just a hiatus until you figure out the RIGHT way to do it - then we'll see you later - and hopefully under better conditions and under more strict control.

Many hugs to YOU and to every one of us who has dealt with this issue once or twice ourselves.

How you manage it - is up to you.

WagerWitch

I have not put us in debt. But lately a lot of money that should have other priorities, has gone to the casinos.

Untill I hit the random in March, I was on a budget, and used to stick to it.. mostly.

I dont expect to win everytime I play, but earlier I used to have an occasional decent win, that justified my little hobby. (1000$+)

But now, im not even close. And although you should not expect to win. People do expect to win more than 1/100. I do atleast.

When it comes to a huge win (5digits), I have never expected that but always had a glimpse of hope that one day maybe.
 

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Hiya: "Honey, I had to choose between Gambling, and You"...........and after i lost, yet once again on saturday, i sure do not want to lose you also, "SO I CHOOSE YOU".

Now, how you enforce this, is something you and her have to figure out, TOGETHER. But the Truth sets you free, and sometimes the truth hurts, and come monday, saying it will hurt. BUT NOT SAYING IT WILL HURT A HELL OF A LOT MORE, and last a hell of a lot longer. Good luck to you.
 

WagerWitch

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Im not leaving the forum. Just going to stay away from the winner screenshots.



I have not put us in debt. But lately a lot of money that should have other priorities, has gone to the casinos.

Untill I hit the random in March, I was on a budget, and used to stick to it.. mostly.

I dont expect to win everytime I play, but earlier I used to have an occasional decent win, that justified my little hobby. (1000$+)

But now, im not even close. And although you should not expect to win. People do expect to win more than 1/100. I do atleast.

When it comes to a huge win (5digits), I have never expected that but always had a glimpse of hope that one day maybe.

That's the whole point - you jumped out of your budget area .

And I agree - winning 1/100 is supposed to be probable - but it hasn't been lately.

About the GF...

Well if you make a promise and you don't keep it - regardless of what it is - the GF is gonna be pissed.

If it is her money - then she will be double pissed.

You're gonna have to figure out a way to be honest - and NEVER MAKE A PROMISE YOU CANNOT OR WILL NOT KEEP.

If the GF cannot understand that YOU are a gambler - then you have the wrong GF - if you ARE going to be a gambler.

Otherwise - You need to step back and be honest with yourself.

Which is more important?

Keeping a promise to the GF - or to hide behind the promises and doing it anyway by lying...

But - if my hubby or BF told me he wouldn't do something because it made life less happy - or spent money that was earmarked for other things that I planned on... Even though he promised he wouldn't...

I have then lost faith in him.

One) He will make promises that he will not keep - so any promise he makes in the future - I will not believe him.

Two) He is willing to spend money that I had planned for other things - so HIS NEEDS comes before OUR or MY needs...

That makes me not very happy to be with a person who cannot be honest.

SO...

My friend - you're going to need to discover 3 things about yourself...

ONE) You were willing to try and lie your way out of a situation you created.
TWO) You feel bad about the situation you are in.
THREE) You have set yourself up to a NO WIN Situation.

So you will need to do:

A) Be honest - tell her what you did.
B) Come up with a way to make sure it doesn't happen again (ie: make your own account that you can spend for gambling and ONLY use that account - and KNOW that if you use anything else - then you have broken a promise and you may have a major problem.)
C) Don't lie. Tell the truth - You will still probably gamble in the future - and you're going to treat it like a hobby - and you are going to spend XX amount of money on it a month or week or year.
D) I she can't accept that - you are going to have to CHOOSE.

Her or your habit.

You cannot continue to lie to her - that is NOT healthy.

And it isn't fair.

It sucks to feel like that. It sucks to have a lie hanging over you.

It sucks to think that maybe - just maybe the hobby means more to you than another person or your honor and integrity.

It sucks to feel like that - and trust me - more than one of us have put ourselves in that position. Or something similar.

But - you have to choose what is RIGHT for you - and sometimes opening your eyes about yourself really stinks. BUT - check this dude - it's better to be honest with yourself in the long run.

Having eternal optimism about winning - is great - but it isn't realistic.

Unfortunately a lot of us have fallen into the same hole - some of us have made the same promises - put ourselves in the same position you are in.

For me... and this is just me - I made the realization that I AM A GAMBLER - and I have a budget and I do NOT go over that budget ever - and I'm not going to let ANYONE make me feel bad about what I do - I don't cut them down for watching television - reading voraciously or painting or having a cappucino or going to movies or making models or golfing or going out and dancing or whatever it is that they do. And I tolerate whoever I am with and the things they do - as long as I know about them.

But I WILL NOT LIE - and I WILL NOT HIDE ANYTHING ABOUT ME or what I choose to do - EVER AGAIN.

It leaves a nasty taste in my mouth.

I hope you manage to discuss it with the GF and everything works out.

But do NOT be surprised if she is as resentful as if you had just had an affair on her.

OK?

Good luck - HONESTY is the MOST important part.
 

silcnlayc

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BUT I AM A GAMBLER - and what people think of me no longer matters.
Never did matter in my case...and everyone knew who I was when I met them...HONESTY is definitely a priority...

TELL your girlfriend what you have done...it does not negate the fact that it was done in a frenzy during one of a gamblers mindless acts...it happens..forgive yourself...and own up to it..it won't make it better, but it will make it RIGHT...

Please visit the miesters main page and how to control gambling...there is many helpful ideas listed there. You will need it...just like many other gamblers...they say they will either quit..never do it again etc...but you will do it again, we all have done it again... so you might as well have the tools to keep the damage to a minimum...and control IT rather than the other way around...

Good luck and good thoughts for you...do the right thing...own up to it....and find your tools to help you through it so it won't happen again....

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While I admire the few that have sucessfully limited their gambling by self-control, most experts agree that it usually doesn't work for those with a problem. I wonder how many people with a drinking problem have died as a result of someone offering advice to have just one.
 

silcnlayc

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While I admire the few that have sucessfully limited their gambling by self-control, most experts agree that it usually doesn't work for those with a problem. I wonder how many people with a drinking problem have died as a result of someone offering advice to have just one.
Interesting you should say this....but to become completely gambling free as an alcoholic becomes drink free, one starts with HONESTY...this leads to realization, then the CHOICE to abstain or not...There have been many alcoholics that fall off the wagon..why? same reason gamblers do..DESIRE...so for this young man..going cold turkey is not the choice, why do I say this? because he is still HERE...he doesn't WANT to quit...so, to lessen the damage...and to help him in his needs at THIS time..a guiding hand is what he needs to help him come to his OWN realization...not yours, or ours..his OWN...that maybe he needs to QUIT...

Alcholics do not need to be handed a drink...neither does a gambler need to be handed a wager...they do this on their own...one does not go to a bar if one has issues with drinking...neither does one go to a casino if one has a gambling problem...

But if they CHOSE to, and asks for help in controlling his behaviour...then you give the best you can...in keeping him from doing himself more harm...we all know abstaining is the only answer...but no one can shove this down a gamblers throat without the gambler opening wide and ACCEPTING this...and this is what is being offered...the chance to understand onself..all the expert professionals in the world also say, one must WANT to quit before any help can be had..
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WagerWitch

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While I admire the few that have sucessfully limited their gambling by self-control, most experts agree that it usually doesn't work for those with a problem. I wonder how many people with a drinking problem have died as a result of someone offering advice to have just one.

Bryan - what an ADULT does - no matter what type of addiction it is - IS THE RESPONSIBILITY of the adult.

Drinking and Gambling are very different beasts - and should NEVER be compared.
 

bryand

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Bryan - what an ADULT does - no matter what type of addiction it is - IS THE RESPONSIBILITY of the adult.

Drinking and Gambling are very different beasts - and should NEVER be compared.

Really??? I don't mean this as hurtful or trolling. Please educate yourself about addiction. Addiction to alcohol, drugs, sex, gambling, eating disorders or anything else is a branch off of the same limb. It is a personality disorder.

Note: I am not trying to imply the OP is addicted to anything. Only time will tell.
 

nisosbar

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And now that casinos have tightened tremendously lately - it is harder to play on 100.00 deposits.

See, this is where I am a little different than others. I get a kick out of making minimum $25 deposits, and spinning them up into $500, $1,000, and quitting there. So I find gambling very affordable. I spend no more than a certain amount per day, whether it's $5, or $10, I probably lose, but sometimes I win, and if I win, I cash out. End of story. Because NOBODY beats the house over the long-term. So I look at it like this: if I win in the short-term, that's about as good as it's likely to get.
 

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See, this is where I am a little different than others. I get a kick out of making minimum $25 deposits, and spinning them up into $500, $1,000, and quitting there. So I find gambling very affordable. I spend no more than a certain amount per day, whether it's $5, or $10, I probably lose, but sometimes I win, and if I win, I cash out. End of story. Because NOBODY beats the house over the long-term. So I look at it like this: if I win in the short-term, that's about as good as it's likely to get.

I don't know nisosbar, sounds like how it USE to be but lately spinning a $25 deposit up to $500 or $1,000 on a regular basis? well where the hell do you play please? :D
 

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I don't know nisosbar, sounds like how it USE to be but lately spinning a $25 deposit up to $500 or $1,000 on a regular basis? well where the hell do you play please? :D

Not Microgaming, lol. Maybe I'm just a lucky one. ;) (Mostly at Sloto, to answer your question.)
 

DarkMage

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WOW - that sounds like me several years ago.

I just couldn't admit openly that I was a gambler.

BUT I AM A GAMBLER - and what people think of me no longer matters.

I am also a gambler who knows her limits - and while I may sometimes miss the mark every once in awhile - I have learned NEVER to tell myself that I MUST do something.

Instead, I have learned to just BUDGET myself to gamble.

And that took some training.

SERIOUS Training.

It took willpower - it took - hey - sorry - just like ANY OTHER HOBBY I cannot do it.

And now that casinos have tightened tremendously lately - it is harder to play on 100.00 deposits.

But - I HAVE LEARNED TO NEVER LIE about gambling.

I am honest and straight up about it - I don't hide it - and I don't feel bad about it.

I think... and this is just me - if you are at the point that you are hiding your gambling hobby - then it has become something that controls you - instead of you controlling it.

It has become something you are ashamed of - instead of having fun at.

If you are counting on a win to pay off your debts or your deposits then you are NOT playing for fun - and YES - it is time to stop.

If you are playing to WIN at all - and your expectation is that YOU WILL WIN - then you are in the wrong business - because chances are you will NOT win... You may - but you probably won't.

I personally play to occupy my mind and my time - and I hope to win here and there... But I know that when I deposit - My deposit is LONG GONE and I probably won't see anything from it - kinda like a GOOD MEAL - once eaten - you'll only see the REAR END RESULTS in the bathroom.

Anyhow - if you are chasing a rainbow - then you probably should realize all you're gonna get out of the chase is a fun run --- there IS NO POT OF GOLD for everyone.

And a win now - does not in the future a win make.

You are PROBABLY making the right decision - to stop... If you cannot find a safe measure to play within - then you are making the right decision to stop - and I commend you for realizing this about yourself.

I hope that if you do come back (most of us do) you make yourself a budget - or reasonable expectation - and you stick to it.

AND THAT YOU NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER LIE about gambling to ANYONE.

If gambling is causing you financial hardship - then you need to know you shouldn't be doing it during the financial hardship times.

In other words:

If you have 10 dollars - and you need to buy milk and bread - GO BUY YOUR MILK AND BREAD FIRST - and leave yourself some money to buy MORE milk and bread...

But if you have 2 dollars left over not earmarked for anything - then ONE dollar can go to gambling.

That other dollar needs to be saved for the next time you need something.

YOU MUST ORGANIZE YOURSELF to maintain YOURSELF and NOT YOUR HOBBY - FIRST.

If it gets out of control - and you have no self control - then you need to step back and stop...

Which is what I commend you on doing.

If you don't come back - then - congrats...

If this is just a hiatus until you figure out the RIGHT way to do it - then we'll see you later - and hopefully under better conditions and under more strict control.

Many hugs to YOU and to every one of us who has dealt with this issue once or twice ourselves.

How you manage it - is up to you.

WagerWitch


Hi..

I agree with a lot of your posts but I take issue with the "When you deposit kiss it goodbye..." theory you have..

Maybe if you only play slots I would use this theory....but I only play blackjack with set limits on a stop loss and a limit on take profit..much like stock trading...I withdraw from almost 85+% of my deposits winning or losing around 20-25% on each one..I do not kiss my money goodbye every time I click "deposit"

I think it's wrong to just say "goodbye" to every deposit and only withdraw when you hit it big on the slots.

I know I am in the minority of online gamblers playing and withdrawing like this...but I think it's a much happier result online...I also NEVER take bonuses because that would destroy the entire system.

Just my $0.02 which is worth less and less every day as everyone and their grandma is shorting the Dollar right now :)
 

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Ayuh... That would work for those playing different percentage payout games like BJ and Poker...

But for slots players - unless they have some sort of magical lucky touch, they (we) tend to have less money to cash out unless we just "STOP".



BRYAN..

OK - check this... I agree that addiction is addiction. That wasn't what I was disagreeing with - and you are certainly entitled to your own opinion - I WOULD NEVER cut you down for your own personal thoughts... Those belong to you.

The difference I was speaking of was LITERALLY.

Alcoholics damage and destroy their bodies.
Gamblers do not.

(although it could be debated that gamblers could abuse their bodies if you count that they don't pay their debts and a bookie comes and breaks their legs, etc. LOL!)

But - that is what I meant.

I STILL THINK THAT ANY ADULT MUST BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN ADDICTIONS.

If you have an addiction - you are still responsible for your actions - addiction or not.

Right?
 

bryand

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BRYAN..

OK - check this... I agree that addiction is addiction. That wasn't what I was disagreeing with - and you are certainly entitled to your own opinion - I WOULD NEVER cut you down for your own personal thoughts... Those belong to you.

The difference I was speaking of was LITERALLY.

Alcoholics damage and destroy their bodies.
Gamblers do not.

(although it could be debated that gamblers could abuse their bodies if you count that they don't pay their debts and a bookie comes and breaks their legs, etc. LOL!)

But - that is what I meant.

I STILL THINK THAT ANY ADULT MUST BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN ADDICTIONS.

If you have an addiction - you are still responsible for your actions - addiction or not.

Right?

I totally agree that you are responsible for your actions - addiction or not.

As you can tell this is a very important issue to me. I am not trying to attack you for having an opinion but trying to call attention to the gravity of the matter.
 

WagerWitch

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I totally agree that you are responsible for your actions - addiction or not.

As you can tell this is a very important issue to me. I am not trying to attack you for having an opinion but trying to call attention to the gravity of the matter.

*wink*

Totally understood.

I'm not one for being rude to ANYONE for having an opinion. And I also agree that Addictions are very problematic for MANY people. No difference of opinion there.

The weight of my conversation was based not on the addiction part - but on the PHYSICAL differences and physical dangers between the two as being significantly different.
 
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