Issue With Max Withdrawal Limits at Rival

[daera]

Many casinos do have weekly withdrawal limits. Many will flush balances from the wagering balance so you can't actually see your money or reverse it yourself. But it's different from casino to casino. Quite a few casinos won't flush accounts at all. And this has nothing to do with just Rival. This changes from casino to casino regardless of the software brand.

I'm a terrible gambler also. If I had money in my account that had to sit there over the weekend, or for any longer periods, it would be pretty amazing if I didn't play it back.

So when I'm deciding which casino to deposit at, the first think I consider is the cashout process. Seriously. Bonuses etc, who cares. I want to know I can flush my account, and my cashout will be processed quickly and without major hassles.

If I request a cashout someplace, and ask for it to be flushed and can't get the entire balance flsuhed, that's the last time that casino will ever see my deposits. Period. To me, that's a policy that's for the casino, hoping we play it back. In my opinion, a very bad policy.

I think casinos would be much better off to flush it all, and then pay us in whatever payments needs to be. But don't force us to have it in our cashier ready for us to reverse at will.

Casinos have every right to have different terms about cashout limits and whether they'll flush balances or not. Once you have any hint of info to know a place isn't going to flush your balance when requested.......... choose a new casino to play at. One that will do this.

That's what I do. And it's why I love iNetBet, they're lightening fast hassle-free cashouts. Intertops, same thing. Lightening fast, hassle-free.

Anyway, I'm really sorry to hear about this. I've played back so much money that I've reversed over the years. I'd be embarassed to even try and think about how much. I also knew someone personally that won a HUGE progressive from a playtech several years ago, and wasn't able to flush, and of course played all of it back but $5k or so. The jackpot won was over $70k! Times like that you can only do the 'uninstall the casino' trick. And then choose a new casino to play.

As far as where monies went from the progressive, that you said wasn't dispersed to you and didn't belong to the casino. If it was money you played and lost back, then that's not the same. Unfortunately, when you start playing a progressive win back into the casino and lose... it becomes theirs then. It's your cash that you're putting back in.

The casinos that treat their players professionally, are informed, respond promptly and process cashouts promptly, follow posted terms and flush accounts promptly when requested....... are going to be the winners in the long run. Those are the places to play.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Many casinos do have weekly withdrawal limits. Many will flush balances from the wagering balance so you can't actually see your money or reverse it yourself. But it's different from casino to casino. Quite a few casinos won't flush accounts at all. And this has nothing to do with just Rival. This changes from casino to casino regardless of the software brand.

I'm a terrible gambler also. If I had money in my account that had to sit there over the weekend, or for any longer periods, it would be pretty amazing if I didn't play it back.

So when I'm deciding which casino to deposit at, the first think I consider is the cashout process. Seriously. Bonuses etc, who cares. I want to know I can flush my account, and my cashout will be processed quickly and without major hassles.

If I request a cashout someplace, and ask for it to be flushed and can't get the entire balance flsuhed, that's the last time that casino will ever see my deposits. Period. To me, that's a policy that's for the casino, hoping we play it back. In my opinion, a very bad policy.

I think casinos would be much better off to flush it all, and then pay us in whatever payments needs to be. But don't force us to have it in our cashier ready for us to reverse at will.

Casinos have every right to have different terms about cashout limits and whether they'll flush balances or not. Once you have any hint of info to know a place isn't going to flush your balance when requested.......... choose a new casino to play at. One that will do this.

That's what I do. And it's why I love iNetBet, they're lightening fast hassle-free cashouts. Intertops, same thing. Lightening fast, hassle-free.

Anyway, I'm really sorry to hear about this. I've played back so much money that I've reversed over the years. I'd be embarassed to even try and think about how much. I also knew someone personally that won a HUGE progressive from a playtech several years ago, and wasn't able to flush, and of course played all of it back but $5k or so. The jackpot won was over $70k! Times like that you can only do the 'uninstall the casino' trick. And then choose a new casino to play.

As far as where monies went from the progressive, that you said wasn't dispersed to you and didn't belong to the casino. If it was money you played and lost back, then that's not the same. Unfortunately, when you start playing a progressive win back into the casino and lose... it becomes theirs then. It's your cash that you're putting back in.

The casinos that treat their players professionally, are informed, respond promptly and process cashouts promptly, follow posted terms and flush accounts promptly when requested....... are going to be the winners in the long run. Those are the places to play.

I wish had the brain cells functioning to reply.....That said I agree with most and is well said.......Hopefully we can agree to disagree on the progressive cash issue regardless of their designed schemes......There is not much more I can say and having had numerous similar size wins with Rival, this is a waste of time,yes???............ unless one has the misfortune of ever experiencing the same........Silence has commenced at least on IMB's!!

 

[daera]

I wish had the brain cells functioning to reply.....That said I agree with most and is well said.......Hopefully we can agree to disagree on the progressive cash issue regardless of their designed schemes......There is not much more I can say and having had numerous similar size wins with Rival, this is a waste of time,yes???............ unless one has the misfortune of ever experiencing the same........Silence has commenced at least on IMB's!!

Just to be clear, I believe progressives should be paid in full always, no max cashout limits. AND should be paid to the player, as in money sent and in the players hands, with no monthly limit. Why shouldn't it be paid all in the first 30 days? Progressive jackpots have built up from contributions across many casinos. It's not a big hit for any one casino. So the winner of the progressive should just get the entire win as soon as they can process a cashout. But no monthly or daily limit bs on progressives.

That only seems right to me.

 

[Tengil]

I think its quite a clear issue IMO.
John promised Nash to flush winnings "away" from the wagering account at request to get him back playing.

He didnt keep his promises.

That shows his a character with questionable morale that just lured Nash back to play with empty promises. A casino manager with low ethics is sadly nothing new in this business.

 

[jas2587]

I think its quite a clear issue IMO.
John promised Nash to flush winnings "away" from the wagering account at request to get him back playing.

He didnt keep his promises.

That shows his a character with questionable morale that just lured Nash back to play with empty promises. A casino manager with low ethics is sadly nothing new in this business.

agreed an I know that some where in this forum it has John stating that fact that Nash would be able to do x amount 1 week an x amount another week
an he also raised the amount that he could withdraw weekly

Ok I will find the post tonight as I know its here

Cindy

 

[Pinababy69]

agreed an I know that some where in this forum it has John stating that fact that Nash would be able to do x amount 1 week an x amount another week
an he also raised the amount that he could withdraw weekly

Ok I will find the post tonight as I know its here

Cindy

Hey Cindy,

I haven't found exactly the one you're looking for, but I have found this, from January of 2008:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/this-is-vegas-get-off-your-asses.22460/

Now back to addressing the limits on Feb 1st I will be removing the $8000 monthly withdrawal limit term due to some requests and some other considerations. It was either doing this or reducing the limits on some of our slot games but there are more players playing the higher limits on slots than I thought. So once again the people have spoken!

John

That's a pretty interesting thread actually. Lots of info in there re: sharing of info (or not) amongst the different Rivals, discussion of cashflow/budget and thus the withdrawal limits, etc.

I'll get back to this tomorrow. But I did want to say that I agree with Spiderlegz post above. To me, this thread is about conflicting information, and failure to follow through on promises regarding payouts, etc. Oh, and the maximum withdrawal amounts when it comes to progressives. Still don't see how paying out a progressive in one lump sum should in any way affect their budget (as John put it, for marketing spending, etc), unless that progressive money is not being kept separate (as it should be) and is being used for day to day operations.

 

[WonderingSpirit]

Now, I dont know what budgets you are running Nash, but having the thrill of hitting a progressive, and then lose it all must be hard.
If this had happened to me I would have been devestated.

Not much of advice I can give, nor can I offer any help, but I have a suggestion for casinomeister.com

You have the rogues and you have the accredited list,
Now how about making a simple and easy to read list over withdrawal limits on the different casinos, and if they flush? Could be useful for the high rollers in here.

This could be the tabs:

Casinoname, software, withdrawal pr day, withdrawal pr week, flushing yes/no


If someone finds the post where John has stated he would flush, you should get something back as a consolation

 

[jas2587]

I dont think Nash has 1 bit of a problem with a budget
I think Nash got fed up with bein told 1 thing an showed another

like in the cartoon where they tie a buck to a string an right as you go to pick it up the 1 on the other end of the string yanks it from his grasp

I hate playing at a casino that when you make a withdraw an think ok I wanna play there again you log in an there sits your withdraw an you cannot get the deposit page to come up for nothing they force you to reverse which in turn makes your cashout again a waiting period an thats a crock
I wont reverse a withdraw never have never will an when my cash just sits there taunting me when the withdraw finally goes thru I never go back to that casino
they didnt care enough about my investment to process the withdraw then to hell with them they think we are ALL addicts well they got a few that are not

Cindy

yeah I know im rambling

 

[jas2587]

Hey Cindy,

I haven't found exactly the one you're looking for, but I have found this, from January of 2008:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/this-is-vegas-get-off-your-asses.22460/



That's a pretty interesting thread actually. Lots of info in there re: sharing of info (or not) amongst the different Rivals, discussion of cashflow/budget and thus the withdrawal limits, etc.

I'll get back to this tomorrow. But I did want to say that I agree with Spiderlegz post above. To me, this thread is about conflicting information, and failure to follow through on promises regarding payouts, etc. Oh, and the maximum withdrawal amounts when it comes to progressives. Still don't see how paying out a progressive in one lump sum should in any way affect their budget (as John put it, for marketing spending, etc), unless that progressive money is not being kept separate (as it should be) and is being used for day to day operations.

also here post #41 #44 #60 #68
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/this-is-vegas-get-off-your-asses.22460/

an those kinda just sums it up so far

Cindy

 

[bb28]

Here is the pertinent post copied from above mentioned thread.

#39 (permalink)
30th January 2008, 10:46 PM

thisisvegas


well by no means are we that type of high roller casino where a player would deposit large sums like Inspin mentioned. Would I allow someone to deposit $100,000 in a week? I don't really want to say no but to cater to this player I would have to up the betting limits and I don't know if I want to be that casino. Well I am not sure what our processor limits are but typically this isn't the issue but we do cater more loyal players. Not to say high rollers can't be loyal players but I hope you all understand what I mean.

Now back to addressing the limits on Feb 1st I will be removing the $8000 monthly withdrawal limit term due to some requests and some other considerations. It was either doing this or reducing the limits on some of our slot games but there are more players playing the higher limits on slots than I thought. So once again the people have spoken!

John

 

[NASHVEGAS]

The whole chat is Rival BS as I knew during the entire chat, Antoine could manually flush any amount desired as I witnessed the manual correction in the Cashier in February 2008 and would again eventually so just another misunderstanding in August 2008. No "intent" as I STRONGLY mentioned just by chance in April 2008. Of course, all from January 2008 to present is surely just trivial misunderstandings, coincidences, fill in the blank. ARRRGGHHH!!!!!

Nice Cindy.........What Post # was the above as too disgusted to look back???

I know the thread you and Pina are looking for, I think (I relayed the info. but it was not from John in August. Afair, he never posted in regards as they were not happy I posted, hang tight) but be very careful how you read the first sentence of my first post (#8) of the thread as I am not referring to "so called done deal flush" of $44K during that "Hell Week" in August 2008......As matter of fact, John and Lianne vanish during the last few days of "Hell Week" at least with me. INTENT,ETHICS,SCHEMES (then repeat)!

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/did-you-know-rival-reversals-and-bonuses.26520/........this refers to the flush as timelines may have some confusing or comingling issues. That said, regardless it is good stuff that does support the big picture so back to the corner.

 

[RobWin]

Here is the pertinent post copied from above mentioned thread.

#39 (permalink)
30th January 2008, 10:46 PM

thisisvegas


well by no means are we that type of high roller casino where a player would deposit large sums like Inspin mentioned. Would I allow someone to deposit $100,000 in a week? I don't really want to say no but to cater to this player I would have to up the betting limits and I don't know if I want to be that casino. Well I am not sure what our processor limits are but typically this isn't the issue but we do cater more loyal players. Not to say high rollers can't be loyal players but I hope you all understand what I mean.

Now back to addressing the limits on Feb 1st I will be removing the $8000 monthly withdrawal limit term due to some requests and some other considerations. It was either doing this or reducing the limits on some of our slot games but there are more players playing the higher limits on slots than I thought. So once again the people have spoken!

John

So am I missing something here or what? The weekly withdrawal limits are $4,000 per week, correct. And if there are 4.33 weeks to the month, rounded off to 4 weeks, then that is what.. $16K per month or $4K per week, right?

So what am I missing here..

What exactly are you guys getting at here?

Please enlighten me, in a simple sentence please..

 

[jas2587]

So am I missing something here or what? The weekly withdrawal limits are $4,000 per week, correct. And if there are 4.33 weeks to the month, rounded off to 4 weeks, then that is what.. $16K per month or $4K per week, right?

So what am I missing here..

What exactly are you guys getting at here?

Please enlighten me, in a simple sentence please..

Rob IIRC they stopped paying Nash his withdraw all together so he said f it
an I know I read some where that he could withdraw more then the 4K
I am telling ya it is here some where in this forum I know I read it I have a excellent memory
an oh my gosh I am starting to type like yall now all the way to the end an the ((IIRC)) I have been corupted

Cindy

 

[bb28]

Am I missing something here??? Below in John's post, he says (clearly I thought) that the limit is now $8000.00 per month, when previously it was $4K but as of Feb. 1, that limit will be removed, which implies to me that there is NO limit.

Now.......am I correct or am I just a dumb blonde?

Isn't this what this thread is about?????

Here is the pertinent post copied from above mentioned thread.

#39 (permalink)
30th January 2008, 10:46 PM

thisisvegas


well by no means are we that type of high roller casino where a player would deposit large sums like Inspin mentioned. Would I allow someone to deposit $100,000 in a week? I don't really want to say no but to cater to this player I would have to up the betting limits and I don't know if I want to be that casino. Well I am not sure what our processor limits are but typically this isn't the issue but we do cater more loyal players. Not to say high rollers can't be loyal players but I hope you all understand what I mean.

Now back to addressing the limits on Feb 1st I will be removing the $8000 monthly withdrawal limit term due to some requests and some other considerations. It was either doing this or reducing the limits on some of our slot games but there are more players playing the higher limits on slots than I thought. So once again the people have spoken!

John

 

[RobWin]

Am I missing something here??? Below in John's post, he says (clearly I thought) that the limit is now $8000.00 per month, when previously it was $4K but as of Feb. 1, that limit will be removed, which implies to me that there is NO limit.

Now.......am I correct or am I just a dumb blonde?

Isn't this what this thread is about?????

Yes, I re-read that and I see what you are saying there..

 

[Pinababy69]

I knew I'd find it eventually.

some quick answers before I call it a night, been a long week...

For regular players we will flush full amounts for you if you wish. Yes it would be processed based on the casino's specific daily and weekly limits but if you want this money locked up so you can't play with it again then we will do this. I believe some agents said you can't do this but if an agent says something that bothers you please do me a favor and pm that to me. We have new CSR agents being trained and it takes about 2 months for them to get the hang of the players and to know the spectrum of questions that get asked. When tougher questions get asked they are put on the spot and the truth is they do care and don't want to disappoint. The CSR team is not perfect but I chat with them all the time and they do care and I am glad to have them. Sure any problems or improvements could always be made but we work on that and things change because we listen to players.

The daily and weekly limits issue I almost don't want to get into but we have spent a fair amount of time talking about it. I can speak for thisisvegas and I would say wait until the end of the year when we offer larger depositing limits, but also larger wagering limits, possibly progressive jackpots and as a result would there be reduced cashin limits.

As for slots of fortune I will point out this thread and term they seem to have. It is something I personally don't agree with but if that is how they want to do business that is their risk. I look after thisisvegas first, I know some of the reps for a few other Rival operators such as Paradise8, Cocoa Casino, Slotocash but after that I can only act as a messenger.

But the main concern here was being able to flush larger wins and the answer is yes we will do that. Some players are going on asking plenty of questions to the agents and some of them are new, please forgive them if they make a mistake.
John

So I'd guess that John was saying that the reason Nash couldn't have his balance removed from his account, was because the CS rep didn't know what they were doing? Yet, from the chats that Nash has posted, the CS rep seemed to be under the impression that it was actually physically impossible for them to do this. And John said a simple PM or email to him would clear it all up. So......Nash, did you send him a PM asking him to remove your balance, and in essence, lock it up so that you couldn't play with it again? That's what this thread is about, or part of it anyway.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Am I missing something here??? Below in John's post, he says (clearly I thought) that the limit is now $8000.00 per month, when previously it was $4K but as of Feb. 1, that limit will be removed, which implies to me that there is NO limit.

Now.......am I correct or am I just a dumb blonde?

Isn't this what this thread is about?????

John is actually doing exactly what he said. He just is not thorough leaving one confused. At times, he acted like we are playing with Monopoly money.

The withdrawal term , (not the contradictory term that 16 months later is still at TIV, he did correct it a week+ ago to be consistent at Rockbet), that John is refering to at the end of January 2008 stated withdrawals were limited to $2K per day, $4K per week, $8K per month. So by removing the $8K per month, the term becomes withdrawals are limited to a max. $2K per day, $4K per week which is not unlimited but is more than or ~ doubles the monthly limit. That is what John is saying and did. I know what he meant because I was very involved with that change but like BB in this case, I was often confused on so many issues. I dwell on this in the TIV thread. Blame me!!

Carry on, I guess.

 

[Pinababy69]

And four or five days later:

won't shy away from threads or complaints but when things like this happen it is no wonder why I don't see other affiliate managers here, or watch them come and go.

Will try to post some quick answers to try to cover everything here:

Our current terms are as follows, 2k/day and 4k/week for limits at thisisvegas.

We will now flush full amounts but will pay based on the terms. We are doing this now due to player and affiliate complaints and recommendations. This thread certainly has helped. Before we would not do this.

All casinos want you to play back your winnings. This topic will open up a larger debate involving floats (IMO confidential to casino), payment processing fees (fairly confidential to casino), ethics.

I hope I covered everything or enough to calm some people down. Just going back to what Casinomeister said, if you don't like the terms you are free to do as you wish. I do understand that I am going to lose players because of this but if that is the case then it is my loss and something I have to learn from. Some positives have come from this mess and changes have been made. I know some players may disagree but I do my best to listen. I will not disappear or hide from further threads but I may not respond much to this one since I think I have said all that I could say at this point.

John

So that's twice that it was confirmed here that they would remove the full amount from the player's balance, but would disburse it according to their daily/weekly/monthly withdrawal limits. That would have been great had they actually done what they said they would. Nash, this is the crux of the whole issue, is it not? And this happened to you not only with this win of 40K plus, but also with your progressive win? And that is inexcusable. Your fault for playing it back, especially the progressive. You basically accomplished for them, what I believe they tried to accomplish for themselves with that stupid Irish Luck trick.

I'm telling ya.....more speculation on my part, but these guys are operating on a shoestring, and I'd lay a bet that lawsuit gets settled real soon, if it hasn't been already. The lawsuit is for close to 1/2 million, I wonder if T2 marketing would accept half of that? Just my conspiratorial mind at work again, I know. But hey, no worse than the dozens of threads I read regularly on here about how software is all rigged.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

I knew I'd find it eventually.



So I'd guess that John was saying that the reason Nash couldn't have his balance removed from his account, was because the CS rep didn't know what they were doing? Yet, from the chats that Nash has posted, the CS rep seemed to be under the impression that it was actually physically impossible for them to do this. And John said a simple PM or email to him would clear it all up. So......Nash, did you send him a PM asking him to remove your balance, and in essence, lock it up so that you couldn't play with it again? That's what this thread is about, or part of it anyway.

Can you be more specific, PM to who, when???

 

[NASHVEGAS]

please forgive them if they make a mistake.

Perfect example of how it is like monopoly money and when I told John to cut the BS (and man up a couple times) as he knew right from wrong, this is his way of being accountable with our Monopoly money, ----->>>SORRY,SORRY,SORRY,SORRY,SORRY.

if you don't like the terms you are free to do as you wish

I see, ignore your casino's contradictory terms, still present as of this morning, and cop an attitude with your players.

 

[Pinababy69]

Can you be more specific, PM to who, when???

I was sort of being sarcastic Nash, lol. I was referring to the fact that CS refused to remove your balance from play, which he had told you they would do. His explanation for that was that it was an error on the part of CS right? He said to have that error corrected, all anyone had to do was send him a PM or an email. I'm guessing you emailed and PM'd a whole lot more than once? Yet, your balance still remained in your casino account and playable right?

The only consolation I know I'm gonna get out of this...is that until they agree to pay out progressive wins in ONE LUMP SUM PAYMENT (as Slotocash has done), they will never be accredited here. Not going on Bryan's comments in the Joyland progressive thread. Thank God for that.

 

[RobWin]

So the basic question is...

They (TIV) never actually "flushed" or removed Nash's winnings from the player account?? yes, no??

 

[Pinababy69]

So the basic question is...

They (TIV) never actually "flushed" or removed Nash's winnings from the player account?? yes, no??

In my mind, yes, that's what this is about. And not once, but twice this happened. The way I see it...is they got him back to play again after the first time with these promises....and what happens? He hits the progressive, and once again, the same games started....full balance stays in account, and playable.

If I'm off track, then I'm not getting it I guess, because that's my take on it.

 

[jas2587]

In my mind, yes, that's what this is about. And not once, but twice this happened. The way I see it...is they got him back to play again after the first time with these promises....and what happens? He hits the progressive, and once again, the same games started....full balance stays in account, and playable.

If I'm off track, then I'm not getting it I guess, because that's my take on it.

ty Pina I knew that post was out there somewhere I knew I wasnt losing it I also took that as a yes on both huge wins that they would not remove the huge balance heck we can tall that from the screenshots he submitted

he would play each day there 4 a while an that huge balance was still there 4 all to see made me sick to watch it but like a car wreck you cant help but look

whew im sane

Cindy

 

[RobWin]

whew im sane

Cindy

*nevermind*