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managra said:
Here you go...
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Seems that you can click on each member to go to their webpage. You can even email them if you're in their district. If not, you can always call.
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Here you go...
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Seems that you can click on each member to go to their webpage. You can even email them if you're in their district. If not, you can always call.
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theAPCW said:
Sure hope you didn't send a copy exactly like it was written. Should be
No ', as well as "in" instead of "it".
You also might want to add emphasis to the fact that this is clearly a violation of the constitution. Plain and simple it's a violation of freedom of speech by banning access to these servers altogether; whether it be the casino itself or the website that is advertising it.
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cipher said:
cipher is back in the saddle and all is right with the world..........welcome back cipher! Good to hear from you.
I managed to plug in to the Adelphia media system earlier today and have submitted a list of questions based on the Professor's post with a request for a fast turnaround, so we will see what that brings forth first.
BTW Mike has been off the regular MSNBC online gambling beat for some months, although he remains interested in the industry according to our last email exchange last year.
BTW Mike has been off the regular MSNBC online gambling beat for some months, although he remains interested in the industry according to our last email exchange last year.
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winbig72 said:
I'm glad that you read what I wrote... and sorry I wrote it in haste so that (hopefully) the email "In Boxes" of Congress are jammed full of letters in opposition on Monday morning. I'm also sorry I editted too quickly and that spell check didn't catch everything... but can't we focus on the importance of getting the job done?
I would rather have 5,000 of those emails go out with that type-o than just 25 well written emails go out without the type-o.
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Yea, well, so is income tax. I don't see them stopping that anytime soon.
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Hello Jetset...
The APCW is the Association of Professional Casino Webmasters.
The APCW is the Association of Professional Casino Webmasters.
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Sorry, my position is Administrator.
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How about 5000 without any typos?theAPCW said:
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theAPCW said:
Yes, and if you look at it where my brain was thinking, you'd understand where I was coming from.
Sending something with typo's and such would look much more horrible to a person in the power to vote one way or the other on this. Maybe I'm just a perfectionist at times, but it looks much more professional without typo's and would be taken more seriously.
re: Income tax.....I feel the same way about that too, but it's not really the issue at hand. They need to realize that in passing this bill, it's violating everyone's rights granted under the constitution.
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Care to elaborate on this, especially in view of the 16th Amendment?theAPCW said:
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winbig72 said:
Agreed.
I did this in haste, which is why I encouraged everyone to change it to fit their own words. Giving a form letter seems to encourage the many out there who may not send a letter otherwise.
Certainly, a person should read a letter before blindly signing their name to it and emailing it out. I wish everyone would take the time to write their own letters in their own words... but that isn't going to happen.
And just to be clear, you are obviously an educated person. And being so you realize that a large segment of the American public is not. I believe that type-o's are most likely the least of errors received in the emails and letters to Congressmen. They're probably lucky if the letter or email has complete sentences... but these people are still voters, and I believe the letters will still count for something...
...but I agree. Send the best letter possible.
This is where GrandMaster's question can be addressed: The US Supreme Court had originally declaired Income Tax unconstitutional... I believe because of a technicality with land ownership. So Congress kept at it and kept at it until they hammered an Amendment (yes, the 16th) to change the constitution... and thus, they could impose their will.
So they say, "It's unconstitutional? Let's amend the document so it isn't!"
Pretty clever, eh?
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APCW, while appreciate you posting the draft of the email, there were a couple of things troubling me, besides starting any correspondence with *I* and the typo (and yes, in my book people lose credibility, too, when they don't know the rules of it's and its). Goodlatte is NOT a constituent of the Rep we are emailing to. Furthermore, "the real issue here is MONEY... everything else is smoke and mirrors to support Goodlatte's pursuit of this money" is just DEAD WRONG. If he were to legalize and regulate it, a lot of money would be flowing into US coffers (Vegas casinos and taxing authorities) and Goodlatte would get lots of campaign donations and other perks offered by the Vegas casinos.
Here's my draft and i hope you don't mind i borrowed a couple of expressions/comments from you:
Dear Rep. ________________,
The purpose of this email is to express my strong disagreement with
bill HR 4777, introduced by Rep. Bob Goodlatte. In order to push his
own moral agenda, Rep. Goodlatte distorts the facts and seriously
overstates the risks of money laundering and underage online gambling.
Passage of this bill would constitute censorship and a tragic violation
of our right to freedom of speech. Therefore, any US citizen, whether
he/she gambles online or not, should be strongly opposed to yet another
attempt to curtail our rights.
Online gambling has grown to a $12 billion industry. Such growth
reflects the popularity worldwide resulting from the ability to play a
game of poker or some slot machines in the comfort and safety of one's
own home. This industry regulates itself and does not allow underage
gamblers. It is likely that some incidents of money laundering and
underage gamblers periodically do occur nonetheless. However,it is
senseless to deny millions of people a simple pleasure because of a few
who manage to break the rules. It would be just as absurd to forbid ALL
internet access to everyone because of the presence of spammers and
hackers. And i suspect the spammers and hackers greatly outnumber the
money launderers and underage online gamblers, not just in numbers but
also in terms of cost to society!
In the United Kingdom the online gaming industry is LEGAL and
REGULATED. And what better way to control potential risks than
regulating an industry? It is that approach that the United States
should follow. We only have to look back at Prohibition to realize that
forbidding a popular activity will not work and will only result in
increased criminal activity. Legalizing and regulating, on the other
hand, would provide new sources of revenue for US businesses and
additional revenues for local, state, and federal taxing authorities.
The significant tax revenues reaped from that other popular gambling
activity, i am speaking of state lotteries, attest to this.
I can ensure you that there will be an enormous outcry by the American
people - by those who engage in online gambling and by those who do not -
if this proposed bill were to pass. I am holding you responsible to
make my voice, and that of millions of other Americans, heard on this!
Here's my draft and i hope you don't mind i borrowed a couple of expressions/comments from you:
Dear Rep. ________________,
The purpose of this email is to express my strong disagreement with
bill HR 4777, introduced by Rep. Bob Goodlatte. In order to push his
own moral agenda, Rep. Goodlatte distorts the facts and seriously
overstates the risks of money laundering and underage online gambling.
Passage of this bill would constitute censorship and a tragic violation
of our right to freedom of speech. Therefore, any US citizen, whether
he/she gambles online or not, should be strongly opposed to yet another
attempt to curtail our rights.
Online gambling has grown to a $12 billion industry. Such growth
reflects the popularity worldwide resulting from the ability to play a
game of poker or some slot machines in the comfort and safety of one's
own home. This industry regulates itself and does not allow underage
gamblers. It is likely that some incidents of money laundering and
underage gamblers periodically do occur nonetheless. However,it is
senseless to deny millions of people a simple pleasure because of a few
who manage to break the rules. It would be just as absurd to forbid ALL
internet access to everyone because of the presence of spammers and
hackers. And i suspect the spammers and hackers greatly outnumber the
money launderers and underage online gamblers, not just in numbers but
also in terms of cost to society!
In the United Kingdom the online gaming industry is LEGAL and
REGULATED. And what better way to control potential risks than
regulating an industry? It is that approach that the United States
should follow. We only have to look back at Prohibition to realize that
forbidding a popular activity will not work and will only result in
increased criminal activity. Legalizing and regulating, on the other
hand, would provide new sources of revenue for US businesses and
additional revenues for local, state, and federal taxing authorities.
The significant tax revenues reaped from that other popular gambling
activity, i am speaking of state lotteries, attest to this.
I can ensure you that there will be an enormous outcry by the American
people - by those who engage in online gambling and by those who do not -
if this proposed bill were to pass. I am holding you responsible to
make my voice, and that of millions of other Americans, heard on this!
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That's exactly what the amendments are for. The procedure is complicated enough that the Constitution cannot be changed at a whim, and very importantly it cannot be changed by Congress alone, 3/4 of the state legislatures must ratify it. Do you feel then that freedom of speech should not be protected (1st Amendment), or that slavery should still be legal (abolished by the 13th Amendment)?theAPCW said:
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Waste of time... oh well, I tried...
Oh good gawd people this is freekin' rediculous.
I thought I could post a simple request here without it turning into a grammar lesson, constitutional debate, or anything else that detracts us from the issue of this industry being shut down.
I was wrong.
Do what you want. I am wasting productive time here (by replying to your wasted time) when we all could be doing something constructive. If we do get shut down, we'll look back at this thread and wonder why we couldn't get together for something so important.
Just be sure to forward me your mailing addresses so that I can send each of you fiddles... that way you have something to do while this industry burns (Please, no comments on my misguided allusions).
I hope that the ones of you not pointing out type-o's used this time for something more constructive... like actually writing a letter. If so, this wasn't a totally worthless use of my genuine and heartfelt efforts... however idealistic and misplaced.
Goodbye =0)
Oh good gawd people this is freekin' rediculous.
I thought I could post a simple request here without it turning into a grammar lesson, constitutional debate, or anything else that detracts us from the issue of this industry being shut down.
I was wrong.
Do what you want. I am wasting productive time here (by replying to your wasted time) when we all could be doing something constructive. If we do get shut down, we'll look back at this thread and wonder why we couldn't get together for something so important.
Just be sure to forward me your mailing addresses so that I can send each of you fiddles... that way you have something to do while this industry burns (Please, no comments on my misguided allusions).
I hope that the ones of you not pointing out type-o's used this time for something more constructive... like actually writing a letter. If so, this wasn't a totally worthless use of my genuine and heartfelt efforts... however idealistic and misplaced.
Goodbye =0)
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APCW, i find your last post offensive.
I posted a draft because i intended to email it tonight to a number of Rep and Committee members. I did not want to send YOUR draft because of its inaccuracies and not mentioning at all freedom of speech. The latter is the most important issue as it will also ignite the indignation of people who do not gamble. I posted my draft here so that it might help perhaps with a sentence or two for anyone who wants to write their own email.
I would have thought that an Administrator of the Assoc of Professional Casino Webmasters would have a bit more PR savvy, both for soliciting support at an online forum and also in putting together a much sounder, stronger letter for an email campaign.
I posted a draft because i intended to email it tonight to a number of Rep and Committee members. I did not want to send YOUR draft because of its inaccuracies and not mentioning at all freedom of speech. The latter is the most important issue as it will also ignite the indignation of people who do not gamble. I posted my draft here so that it might help perhaps with a sentence or two for anyone who wants to write their own email.
I would have thought that an Administrator of the Assoc of Professional Casino Webmasters would have a bit more PR savvy, both for soliciting support at an online forum and also in putting together a much sounder, stronger letter for an email campaign.
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theAPCW said:
Hi APCW,
You are also known as Integrity at CAP, correct? I know you didn't really want to post your letter here, but you guys "needed all the support you could get" right? Not sure I understand the reasons behind it, but I know you expected heavy "groans" at CAP when you told them you were going to post your letter here and at WOL. Wouldn't it have been better to simply post as "Integrity"...a handle which is recognized by most in this business? Your signing up here under a different name is ringing a bit dishonest with me. Sorry...
managra said:
Really? What about Bella Vegas? Do you suppose Rep. Bob Goodlatte knows about that incident? Do you suppose he'd be interested?
The utter hypocrisy of this moral outcry makes my blood boil.
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To APCW/Integrity....
I just read your last post on here as Integrity (a couple of years ago)...and now I understand the deception of the new username. LOL......sorry but I find this all just too funny.
You guys can do whatever you like, but why not wait for Jetset to post some more info once he finds out? A little bit of level-headedness might serve everyone well. I'm not telling you not to send a letter to your representative re: Bill whatever. But why doesn't everyone take a deep breath and relax for a bit?
This person APCW didn't even want to post here, he said he could hear the groans from his colleagues already. Funny how Casinomeister is never good enough for some people.....UNTIL they have a hidden agenda or they need help.
So sorry APCW/Integrity that you felt the need to "lower" yourself to come here. And when someone does try and give you some well-meaning advice..you felt the need to fly off the handle. Well sorry, I agree with my fellow CM members, if you're going to send a letter off to a Government official, then for God's sakes, make sure the grammar, spelling and punctuation are correct. If you really wanna be taken seriously that is. But if you wanna send off 5,000 letters with typos and errors, the same typos and errors, go ahead. See how seriously it gets taken. You'll be looked upon as nothing more than a radical who can't spell!!
I just read your last post on here as Integrity (a couple of years ago)...and now I understand the deception of the new username. LOL......sorry but I find this all just too funny.
You guys can do whatever you like, but why not wait for Jetset to post some more info once he finds out? A little bit of level-headedness might serve everyone well. I'm not telling you not to send a letter to your representative re: Bill whatever. But why doesn't everyone take a deep breath and relax for a bit?
This person APCW didn't even want to post here, he said he could hear the groans from his colleagues already. Funny how Casinomeister is never good enough for some people.....UNTIL they have a hidden agenda or they need help.
So sorry APCW/Integrity that you felt the need to "lower" yourself to come here. And when someone does try and give you some well-meaning advice..you felt the need to fly off the handle. Well sorry, I agree with my fellow CM members, if you're going to send a letter off to a Government official, then for God's sakes, make sure the grammar, spelling and punctuation are correct. If you really wanna be taken seriously that is. But if you wanna send off 5,000 letters with typos and errors, the same typos and errors, go ahead. See how seriously it gets taken. You'll be looked upon as nothing more than a radical who can't spell!!
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caruso said:
I am very sorry to say that i do not know about the Bella Vegas incident. I tried to look it up on Google but couldn't find anything. Would you please enlighten me? Caruso, why exactly does the "utter hypocrisy of this moral outcry makes your blood boil"? Even though i am fully unaware of the BV incident, i am sure that there have been/are/will be other problems in the industry. The best way to deal with this, imho, is to regulate it. If online gambling will be forbidden in the US, the industry will find other ways to reach US players with an increased likelihood that innocent players will fall victim to scams.
The last couple of posts made it clear to me that i was trying to jump the gun. As Pina suggested, it will be better to wait with taking any action until we have heard more from a reliable source, such as Jetset.
Pina, thanks very much for shedding more light on the offensive post by "ACWP". Having done a quick search i understand he didn't want to post here anew as "Integrity", which ID wasn't a good fit anyway
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Here's a great domain to use to make more people aware of what's going on, and gain support (and is available): fightcensorship.net
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Hi Managra, I don't think the discussion re: Bella Vegas belongs in this particular thread, so I am just posting a link for you if you would like to read up on it. Hope you find it somewhat enlightening.
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Thanks Pina for posting the link. I read the first 3-4 pages of this lengthy thread. It actually strengthens my belief that American players could have more protection if online gambling be legal and regulated in the US. Without this, a certain percentage will continue to play, no matter what, without any recourse if stunts like BV's will be pulled. Needless to say, it's outrageous that BV accepted 17 deposits, processed 2-3 cashouts, then refused a big cashout because . . . he was underage at his jurisdiction. Had he been of legal age to gamble, their excuse could have been that online gambling is illegal in his jurisdiction, period.
It shouldn't be that difficult for sw to validate a registrant's age against his address and not allowing him to play at all, rather than keeping mum for his first 17 deposits. With regulation the onus could be placed on casinos to ensure that registrations be validated before accepting any deposits.
I still pretty much stand by my email draft. Sure, Mr Goodlatte, there are/will be some underage gamblers but is that a good reason for denying everybody else this activity and does it justify practising censorship? There are underage kids who smoke and drink. Should we ban all tobacco and all alcohol (we tried the latter in the 30s and failed miserably)? Obesity is a growing problem in the US (and other countries are catching up) that will place a huge, costly burden on the health care system. So, perhaps we should ban all donuts, fast food, candy bars, potato chips, etc, just to protect those who do not act responsibly? There are kids who bring guns to school and kill a few teachers and students. Should we ban all guns or maybe all schools?
All this sounds ridiculous but so does Goodlatte's bill because the percentage of underage gambling is probably quite small. There is also something like parental control and parental responsibilities and i'm sure filters could be offered to those who want them (maybe that's what Adelphia was testing???).
Finally, i have a problem with this underage definition in the US. I am not talking about 12 and 14 year olds but those who are 18,19,20. They are old enough to be shipped off to a war but too young to drink a beer or gamble. More hypocrisy!
It shouldn't be that difficult for sw to validate a registrant's age against his address and not allowing him to play at all, rather than keeping mum for his first 17 deposits. With regulation the onus could be placed on casinos to ensure that registrations be validated before accepting any deposits.
I still pretty much stand by my email draft. Sure, Mr Goodlatte, there are/will be some underage gamblers but is that a good reason for denying everybody else this activity and does it justify practising censorship? There are underage kids who smoke and drink. Should we ban all tobacco and all alcohol (we tried the latter in the 30s and failed miserably)? Obesity is a growing problem in the US (and other countries are catching up) that will place a huge, costly burden on the health care system. So, perhaps we should ban all donuts, fast food, candy bars, potato chips, etc, just to protect those who do not act responsibly? There are kids who bring guns to school and kill a few teachers and students. Should we ban all guns or maybe all schools?
All this sounds ridiculous but so does Goodlatte's bill because the percentage of underage gambling is probably quite small. There is also something like parental control and parental responsibilities and i'm sure filters could be offered to those who want them (maybe that's what Adelphia was testing???).
Finally, i have a problem with this underage definition in the US. I am not talking about 12 and 14 year olds but those who are 18,19,20. They are old enough to be shipped off to a war but too young to drink a beer or gamble. More hypocrisy!
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Excellent points all Managra!! And I agree that the best thing for the industry would be some form of regulation. At least then there would be some "standard" that could be applied.
As to the hypocrisy angle....just don't even get me started, lol. I'm running in bitch mode already today.
I forgot to mention that I thought your "revised" letter was outstanding!! And if I lived in the US, would be sending off a copy to my representative post haste!! Excellent job...which just goes to show what can be done when a little thought is put into something, rather than jumping in head first. And cooler heads will always prevail...always.
As to the hypocrisy angle....just don't even get me started, lol. I'm running in bitch mode already today.
I forgot to mention that I thought your "revised" letter was outstanding!! And if I lived in the US, would be sending off a copy to my representative post haste!! Excellent job...which just goes to show what can be done when a little thought is put into something, rather than jumping in head first. And cooler heads will always prevail...always.
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Thank you, Pina. I have been feeling down all day so it's nice to get a little compliment. 
I spent some time on that draft; not satisfied with it yet but wanted to post it to get more feedback to see what angles we should stress once we start campaigning. So, i was really ticked off by "you know who"'s response. We are not talking about a little typo but some of the things in his draft were just stoooopid. You can't say in a letter that the industry self-regulates and has high standards if your letter clearly shows that your own standards (of communicating if nothing else) are clearly lacking.
I wait a few days to hear what Jetset finds out about Adelphia's testing. Perhaps he finds out something noteworthy that could be mentioned in the letter as well.
I spent some time on that draft; not satisfied with it yet but wanted to post it to get more feedback to see what angles we should stress once we start campaigning. So, i was really ticked off by "you know who"'s response. We are not talking about a little typo but some of the things in his draft were just stoooopid. You can't say in a letter that the industry self-regulates and has high standards if your letter clearly shows that your own standards (of communicating if nothing else) are clearly lacking.
I wait a few days to hear what Jetset finds out about Adelphia's testing. Perhaps he finds out something noteworthy that could be mentioned in the letter as well.
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managra said:Thank you, Pina. I have been feeling down all day so it's nice to get a little compliment.
I wait a few days to hear what Jetset finds out about Adelphia's testing. Perhaps he finds out something noteworthy that could be mentioned in the letter as well.
YW Managra....I hear ya about the down part. But the nice weather will be here soon, which should pick up all our spirits.
And yes, I too am waiting to see what Jetset finds out. I come here for a reason, and that is to get reliable information (and have some fun sometimes as well, lol). And I trust this site and the people who work here to deliver that.
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Please be cool
Hi all,
I was pretty much out for the weekend, and what began as a damn good informative thread has begun to spiral downward with some petty bickering. Please do not let this happen.
I appreciate the input that APCW has put forth - he's not "lowering" himself to post here, he and I have been corresponding over the past few years, and he is aware of the importance of this board. The proposed letter he presented was in my opinion a good starting point. No reason to get riled up with typos etc. If everyone was 100% tuned into English grammar, Bush never would be able to hold office.
Caruso, please don't derail the thread with the Bella Casino player thing. Her situation proves that an 18 year old can slip through the cracks just like in real life. I made this perfectly clear to her when she presented her case to me. If an 18 year old goes to Vegas and sits at a table or a slot machine, they are not carded. They win a bit of cash - they are not carded. They win a lot of money - they ARE carded. If they are under age, they get tossed. Simple as that. That's exactly how her case was - she knew what she was doing and slipped under the radar. In my opinion, both she and the casino were at fault. But that has nothing to do with this thread.
Jetset is checking into the adelphia thing on his end; I have contacts with a number of major news publications on my end - I'm hoping to use this thread for their reference, but if it gets whacked out of shape - there ain't no way.
So please, let's remain level headed and focused - and check the emotions at the door. Thank you.
Hi all,
I was pretty much out for the weekend, and what began as a damn good informative thread has begun to spiral downward with some petty bickering. Please do not let this happen.
I appreciate the input that APCW has put forth - he's not "lowering" himself to post here, he and I have been corresponding over the past few years, and he is aware of the importance of this board. The proposed letter he presented was in my opinion a good starting point. No reason to get riled up with typos etc. If everyone was 100% tuned into English grammar, Bush never would be able to hold office.
Caruso, please don't derail the thread with the Bella Casino player thing. Her situation proves that an 18 year old can slip through the cracks just like in real life. I made this perfectly clear to her when she presented her case to me. If an 18 year old goes to Vegas and sits at a table or a slot machine, they are not carded. They win a bit of cash - they are not carded. They win a lot of money - they ARE carded. If they are under age, they get tossed. Simple as that. That's exactly how her case was - she knew what she was doing and slipped under the radar. In my opinion, both she and the casino were at fault. But that has nothing to do with this thread.
Jetset is checking into the adelphia thing on his end; I have contacts with a number of major news publications on my end - I'm hoping to use this thread for their reference, but if it gets whacked out of shape - there ain't no way.
So please, let's remain level headed and focused - and check the emotions at the door. Thank you.
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Point made and noted!! And I do apologize to YOU Bryan if I was out of line.
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Then I'll post about this matter in another thread in a day or so, since I disagree on all matters here and need to explain - and the wider audience here needs to be made aware of this anyway.
Will leave this thread alone, however, since my point has been made.
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I think you may find that some European countries may follow America's lead and start blocking ISPS. Basically, as long as its state sponsored, then gambling is fine. Kasino King is right, move to the UK for freedom of choice
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Or how about posting it at your own website. I've already dealt with this enough and I don't see the point in regurgitating what went on at WOL. Thanks!caruso said:
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I haven't bothered reading the whole nine pages of this thread. I have though read the concerns on CAP and also over at the GPWA, as well as reading the opening post on this thread by CM.
My opinion for what it is worth is that everyone is getting too worried and overly paranoid. The outage that occured the other week whereby many people could not access gambling sites, was due to a major routing issue with one of the major ISP's in Canada. I have also had this confirmed by one casino who I have contacts with. Whereby even UK players could not access the prima network - which is in turn hosted in North America ( Canada ).
I would be extremely surprised if a bill could be passed in congress which would force US ISP's to filter out gambling sites. Not only would they have to turn the Wire Act on it's head, this would from where I see it be a breach of the 1st Amendment.
Indeed I believe the 2nd Amendment and the right to bear arms in the US has a greater chance of being removed. This is no way going to happen either. But gives you an idea as to how worried I personally am concerning this latest action.
However, what we all need to do, those that reside in the US and those such as myself, other webmasters and the casinos who have an interest in US Gambling is ensure our voices are heard collectively.
We need to all be singing from the same hymn sheet as it were and work together, to protect the rights of those who enjoy leisure based wagering activities.
My opinion for what it is worth is that everyone is getting too worried and overly paranoid. The outage that occured the other week whereby many people could not access gambling sites, was due to a major routing issue with one of the major ISP's in Canada. I have also had this confirmed by one casino who I have contacts with. Whereby even UK players could not access the prima network - which is in turn hosted in North America ( Canada ).
I would be extremely surprised if a bill could be passed in congress which would force US ISP's to filter out gambling sites. Not only would they have to turn the Wire Act on it's head, this would from where I see it be a breach of the 1st Amendment.
Indeed I believe the 2nd Amendment and the right to bear arms in the US has a greater chance of being removed. This is no way going to happen either. But gives you an idea as to how worried I personally am concerning this latest action.
However, what we all need to do, those that reside in the US and those such as myself, other webmasters and the casinos who have an interest in US Gambling is ensure our voices are heard collectively.
We need to all be singing from the same hymn sheet as it were and work together, to protect the rights of those who enjoy leisure based wagering activities.
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Hi All,
After reviewing my last general comment, perhaps I seemed to be coming across as a bit too harsh. My comments should have been specifically directed instead of a generalization since most members here remain cool.
Okay, this was what I meant about being riled up about typos. No need to be too dramatic here. Yes, like I said - APCW's letter was a good start - but I should have continued stating that it needed toning down and checked for punctuation and grammar. But it's definitely nothing to get bent out of shape about.
And like I mentioned at the beginning of this thread, this issue concerns all of us no matter where you live.
After reviewing my last general comment, perhaps I seemed to be coming across as a bit too harsh. My comments should have been specifically directed instead of a generalization since most members here remain cool.
theAPCW said:
Okay, this was what I meant about being riled up about typos. No need to be too dramatic here. Yes, like I said - APCW's letter was a good start - but I should have continued stating that it needed toning down and checked for punctuation and grammar. But it's definitely nothing to get bent out of shape about.
And like I mentioned at the beginning of this thread, this issue concerns all of us no matter where you live.
Casinomeister said:
Just to clarify this: is this an absolute requirement to NOT mention this matter at Casinomeister? I had hoped to post about it to the wider audience, and solicit opinions of the forum members who will no doubt have missed it and would like to comment. However, if I may not make any mention of the Bella Vegas underage gambling incident without serious reprisals, I have no choice in the matter but to keep it under wraps.
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I knew that would get you going. Go ahead, be my guest and start a thread
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What the heck is everyone so up tight about?
Integrity is headed in the right direction - all of you should take some time to contact your reps. Some suggestions to making his form letter better would certainly have been appreciated - but then some of you go off on him for his errors, or lack of PR sense, even though it's quite clear to all of you that the intent was good?
I am a perfectionist - I hate typos, grammatical errors, etc... and yet I still make them from time to time.
I am also a PR pro in my past life.
None of that affected me when it came to determining Integrity's intent. I'm not going to question motives for I see no reason to do so.
Now if those of you who are willing and able to contact your rep, using someone's draft, or your own, please do so. Me, I'm going to be contacting anyone I know that is involved with the bill, whether they are a sponsor, co-author, known supporter, etc. And I'm not going to be mincing any words
Integrity is headed in the right direction - all of you should take some time to contact your reps. Some suggestions to making his form letter better would certainly have been appreciated - but then some of you go off on him for his errors, or lack of PR sense, even though it's quite clear to all of you that the intent was good?
I am a perfectionist - I hate typos, grammatical errors, etc... and yet I still make them from time to time.
I am also a PR pro in my past life.
None of that affected me when it came to determining Integrity's intent. I'm not going to question motives for I see no reason to do so.
Now if those of you who are willing and able to contact your rep, using someone's draft, or your own, please do so. Me, I'm going to be contacting anyone I know that is involved with the bill, whether they are a sponsor, co-author, known supporter, etc. And I'm not going to be mincing any words
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Casinomeister said:
If your speaking in terms of ISP blocking URL's then I'd say use a proxy or
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is another good place to start.As for the long term solution. There's ways around a lot things CM, no one knows this better than this industry! I'm sure they'll work something out
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So Integrity makes typos and has a temper.
Under the circumstances the typos are not a bad thing because it is really better to somewhat rewrite each letter anyway.
The APCW is a well known organization among affiliates - it audits affiliate programs and discloses results. It is very useful and professionally run and certainly not an anonymous ID to hide behind. It is a great help in keeping the marketing sections of online gambling institutions on the straight and narrow. Hats off to the APCW.
It doesn't really much matter whether one thinks the US population will react to blocking of websites or not - the fact is that year after year bills are introduced that are supposed to make online gambling illegal. It hasn't happened yet, and every single letter that goes out to representatives is a gem.
For every one person who writes or calls, there are some 200 assumed to think the same but stop just short of making noise.
So each letter written is worth some 200.
So, take a few minutes and do something to protect freedom.
Under the circumstances the typos are not a bad thing because it is really better to somewhat rewrite each letter anyway.
The APCW is a well known organization among affiliates - it audits affiliate programs and discloses results. It is very useful and professionally run and certainly not an anonymous ID to hide behind. It is a great help in keeping the marketing sections of online gambling institutions on the straight and narrow. Hats off to the APCW.
It doesn't really much matter whether one thinks the US population will react to blocking of websites or not - the fact is that year after year bills are introduced that are supposed to make online gambling illegal. It hasn't happened yet, and every single letter that goes out to representatives is a gem.
For every one person who writes or calls, there are some 200 assumed to think the same but stop just short of making noise.
So each letter written is worth some 200.
So, take a few minutes and do something to protect freedom.
I find it difficult to believe that the members of this board who were rightfully critical of Integrity's suggested form letter are now being mildly chastised here by regular posters whose opinion I (usually) respect. I don't think that is justified.
That letter was not suitable imo and by the author's own admission it was a rushed job. Under those circumstances the people here to whom he presented it had every right to voice an opinion, and he should have kept his cool when they did so - but that's just my opinion.
However, before we slide completely away from the main topic, I will venture the opinion that APCW's suggested letter did serve to focus attention on the need for our American members to bombard their political representatives with somewhat more thoughtful letters protesting the launch of the latest attempt to ban online gambling.
As regards this ISP blockade possibility I have heard nothing thus far from Adelphia, but to be fair the questions went in over a weekend, we're still around Monday morning in the States and it may be that they are still scratching their heads on the allegations and what they should say.
That letter was not suitable imo and by the author's own admission it was a rushed job. Under those circumstances the people here to whom he presented it had every right to voice an opinion, and he should have kept his cool when they did so - but that's just my opinion.
However, before we slide completely away from the main topic, I will venture the opinion that APCW's suggested letter did serve to focus attention on the need for our American members to bombard their political representatives with somewhat more thoughtful letters protesting the launch of the latest attempt to ban online gambling.
As regards this ISP blockade possibility I have heard nothing thus far from Adelphia, but to be fair the questions went in over a weekend, we're still around Monday morning in the States and it may be that they are still scratching their heads on the allegations and what they should say.
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spearmaster said:
Just to clarify my pointing out the errors, I was indeed just trying to make it look more professional...wasn't trying to bust anyone's balls
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jetset said:
That, exactly, was the intention of my post.
This is an important issue and I just don't want to see us getting lost and not seeing the forest for the trees.
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In my first post in this thread i mentioned the ease of being able to email to a number of politicians my opinion about another current hot potato. On important issues there are lots of people who would like to speak out, can't come up with a decent letter, can't readily find relevant email addresses, and end up doing nothing and then feel guilty.
There must be lots of groups who have strong opposition against the proposed OG legislation. If they can band together, they could come up with a similar approach that will facilitate their membership to take real action, other than making posts to like-minded people on a forum. I will post the link here so that you can see what i am talking about. Perhaps someone (CM?, Jetset?) can even contact them to:
a) see whether they want to make the form sw available to us and
b) see whether they want to add this issue to their own Action agenda.
Just a suggestion.
There must be lots of groups who have strong opposition against the proposed OG legislation. If they can band together, they could come up with a similar approach that will facilitate their membership to take real action, other than making posts to like-minded people on a forum. I will post the link here so that you can see what i am talking about. Perhaps someone (CM?, Jetset?) can even contact them to:
a) see whether they want to make the form sw available to us and
b) see whether they want to add this issue to their own Action agenda.
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The response from Adelphia is emphatic, and that is that this allegation that it was testing filters with a view to blocking online gambling is, and I quote: "absolutely false."
The spokesman goes on to say: "No gambling specific filters have been used on our net. We had a network problem that affected our routing."
The company will in all cases comply with the law, the spokesman added, and it is not prepared to comment on hypothetical scenarios such as this one.
The spokesman goes on to say: "No gambling specific filters have been used on our net. We had a network problem that affected our routing."
The company will in all cases comply with the law, the spokesman added, and it is not prepared to comment on hypothetical scenarios such as this one.
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Thank you Jetset!!!
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It still makes a lot of sense to voice opinions re. the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act.
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jetset said:
I gotta say I didn't expect any other answer... LOL...
What Lou is pointing out about an apparent filtering is definitely possible - but a routing problem can often appear to have the same effect. I remember I used to have international connectivity problems from Thailand, and on occasion it would definitely seem that my site, and other gambling sites, were blocked, while access to sites in other industries was ok.
What I didn't realize at the time is that most of these "other" sites were in fact being cached by the ISP so they always had some semblance of being available, whereas I'm probably the only guy in Thailand trying to access online gambling sites... LOL...
Sadly, though - Thailand indeed does now implement a filter which blocks access to porno and gambling sites that cross their radar (fortunately, none of the online casino portals seem to be affected). The only ISP in Thailand which refuses to use this filter, strangely enough, is the government entity which was spun off into a private corporation. But the person running that show has always stood up for freedom of access, and he is probably also the only head of an ISP which can get off scot-free because he is highly respected in the industry.
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bellyrock gaming download sites are blocked from my ip
I have adelphia in PA and i think bellyrock gaming download sites are blocked from my ip
I have adelphia in PA and i think bellyrock gaming download sites are blocked from my ip
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I can't access any Carmen Media Sites in Gibraltar. I get redirected to google.com, even though physically my apartment is no more than a walk across the road from their servers.
To try them out I have to wait until I am in Spain or the UK.
Anyhow, I am digressing
The response from Aldephia mirrors the information that I was told by an Online Casino last week ie: Major Routing problem in Canada - This is very plausible and I am inclined to believe this.
To try them out I have to wait until I am in Spain or the UK.
Anyhow, I am digressing
The response from Aldephia mirrors the information that I was told by an Online Casino last week ie: Major Routing problem in Canada - This is very plausible and I am inclined to believe this.
