If me and about 10 friends all were to join a casino this month and all took a signup bonus but did not take bonuses after that and all played video poker and all played at different times/days then would this be fraud?
...pass the popcorn Cleve
As my father use to say "If you have to ask- Then something wrong". I'll take my popcorn with extra butter please!
Even if each player uses their own PC, the casino will also stipulate that the play must be for "personal entertainment", and may consider this to be a "ring" of players colluding and sharing funds. Even though not fraud, it will contravene the terms and conditions for play in a "personal capacity".
If you try to "hide" this arrangement, and the casino figures it out, they will also consider that you "tried something on" with them.
In that given scenario I would have to say the casino would be out right wrong. In my mind it is no different than a group of friends/family traveling to a land based casino to have a good time. If they are using their own computers, from their own home, with their own money, and not even taking a bonus then I can't see how or why this would present any problems. Unless the casino is being dishonest and trying to get out of paying a player.
Even sharing funds. How could that be a problem? If someone gives me 10 dollars because I'm short on funds, that doesn't change my odds of winning. Yes I will have a few more chances, as I wouldn't have been able to continue playing but nothing is wrong/illegal with that.
Casinos look for peer to peer passing of funds in eWallets such as Neteller and Moneybookers, and if this is found alongside advantage play, will consider this a "syndicate". eWallets freely share this information with casinos, it has come up in the past. No-one really knows at what level such transfers between friends constitutes a "syndicate", but winnings have been voided on the strength of a group of players taking bonuses and using P2P to move funds between them in an eWallet.
Seriously ??
E-wallets let casinos in on peoples private transactions ?
What's the world comming to ?
Can we just get clarification on some things? I think it would end a lot of bickering on threads.
I will ask this again. Can we get specific answers please?
1). If you are accused of fraud by a casino then how can you prove otherwise? You can prove your identity and residency. What else can be done?
2). If you are playing at a casino without a bonus and you are only playing single player games. Can this possibly be fraud? How in the world would you be at an advantage on the casino by pretending to be someone else then playing with your own money?
Furthermore, what right would a casino possibly have to suspect fraud or affiliation of a fraud group on players who are not seeking an advantage then keeping all of the players money including deposits and winnings?
These are questions that I really need answered as it is becoming extremely frustrating watching this happen to so many players with no recourse.
In my opinion, confiscating players money based on an unprovable fraud allegation when the players were not trying to use this alleged "fraud" to benefit from the casino must be stopped or we are getting deeper and deeper into an unplayable online environment in which the casinos have an open license to steal while still gaining affiliate backing and promotion.
As mentioned before, "fraud" deals with anything from multiple accounts to collusion with other players. Fraud can be anything that has to do with deceptive practice by the player (submitting bogus info, lying about anything, etc.). So it depends on what the circumstances are, to figure out what can be done.Can we just get clarification on some things? I think it would end a lot of bickering on threads.
I will ask this again. Can we get specific answers please?
1). If you are accused of fraud by a casino then how can you prove otherwise? You can prove your identity and residency. What else can be done?
Fraud is fraud. If you are using bogus personal info, shared money accounts, or whatever it is that the casino defines as fraud - it's fraud. Bonuses have nothing to do with it. Casinos have to answer to their auditors and a majority have to prove that their players are in fact real. There is no room for bullshit players.2). If you are playing at a casino without a bonus and you are only playing single player games. Can this possibly be fraud? How in the world would you be at an advantage on the casino by pretending to be someone else then playing with your own money?
Because it is their business, and they have every right to block out players that violate their terms. As far as I know in most instances, players' deposits are returned. But many have clauses in their terms and conditions that allow them to confiscated the funds from fraudulent players. Caveat Emptor.Furthermore, what right would a casino possibly have to suspect fraud or affiliation of a fraud group on players who are not seeking an advantage then keeping all of the players money including deposits and winnings?
These are questions that I really need answered as it is becoming extremely frustrating watching this happen to so many players with no recourse.
In my opinion, confiscating players money based on an unprovable fraud allegation when the players were not trying to use this alleged "fraud" to benefit from the casino must be stopped or we are getting deeper and deeper into an unplayable online environment in which the casinos have an open license to steal while still gaining affiliate backing and promotion.