IS INTERCASINO SLIPPING OR WHAT?

cipher

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I had set out to play some Blackjack at INTERCASINO this morning when I realized that they still owe me $10,000.00 from the eighth. I'm constantly reading about how fast the turn around time is with INTERCASINO but for me the turn around time seems to be getting worse rather than better.

Have a good one.
 

metaxa

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don't worry, i think the money will hit your neteller today in the evening.

i had the same experience, small withdrawals are at Neteller mostly in 24hours, bigger withdrawals with 5 digits are personally checked in my opinion and need a little bit longer.
 

cipher

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metaxa said:
don't worry, i think the money will hit your neteller today in the evening.

i had the same experience, small withdrawals are at Neteller mostly in 24hours, bigger withdrawals with 5 digits are personally checked in my opinion and need a little bit longer.

Hi Metaxa:

I'm not concerned that I'll be paid. But I am concerned at the additional delay in processing a withdrawal simply because my play needs to be personally checked only because of the size of the withdrawal.

Casinos need to understand the fact that withdrawals are as much a part of their operations as are deposits. If a casino is going to quibble over the size of withdrawals then there in the wrong business. Especially with a customer in good standing for better than 5 years.

Have a good one.
 

chuchu59

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cipher said:
Hi Metaxa:

I'm not concerned that I'll be paid. But I am concerned at the additional delay in processing a withdrawal simply because my play needs to be personally checked only because of the size of the withdrawal.

Casinos need to understand the fact that withdrawals are as much a part of their operations as are deposits. If a casino is going to quibble over the size of withdrawals then there in the wrong business. Especially with a customer in good standing for better than 5 years.

Have a good one.


You are right, Cipher. For a customer of 5 years, the size of the withdrawal is irrelevant and they should process this as with those of smaller amounts unless they state in writing that they will need to audit any withdrawals in excess of say, $10000.
 

cipher

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chuchu59 said:
You are right, Cipher. For a customer of 5 years, the size of the withdrawal is irrelevant and they should process this as with those of smaller amounts unless they state in writing that they will need to audit any withdrawals in excess of say, $10000.

Hi Chuchu 59:

I couldn't agree more. And on the flip side of this issue is the fact that MANSION CASINO handles a $6,000.00 payout in less than an hour. KUDOS to MANSION CASINO!!!

Have a good one.
 

The Watchdog

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Well 3 days is not bad

I know you have been a customer for a while,

However 3 days is not that long for that amount. If they have paid you in 24 hours in the past, they should do it.

One thing is for sure, if all your profitts came from black jack I guarantee you they are reviewing your game session... Is regular procedure. So make some numbers, for a $10k profit that game session must have at least 1500 hands.

Remember also you are not the only customer at the casino and I guarantee you from the reputation Intercasino has built during the last years they are working as fast as they can to keep such a good customer as you happy.

I am more than positive your payment will be made in a short matter of time.
 

cipher

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The Watchdog said:
One thing is for sure, if all your profitts came from black jack I guarantee you they are reviewing your game session... Is regular procedure. So make some numbers, for a $10k profit that game session must have at least 1500 hands.
QUOTE]

Hi Watchdog: No the total of hands was 492 (see attached)

Have a good one.
 

mitch

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Cipher

You know that Inter is one of the best and safest places out there.

I withdrew 21,000 in April in one go, went through immediately. Was not in Neteller though.

Can't see what you are are trying to say here.

This could be an E.cash issue not Inter. I remember the first time I withdrew more than $10,000 from a Crypto casino through Neteller (Sands) there was a long delay, more than a week.

Mitch
 

Casinomeister

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I've alerted Intercasino about this thread. Hopefully they can find out what's up on the delayed payment. Like Mitch said, it may be an Ecash issue - and it was over the weekend, so it may have been an issue that required a supervisor's approval (whatever that may have been).
 

gfkostas

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ten thousands dollars, twenty one thousands pounds.........
you guys are amazing:eek2:
 

cipher

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mitch said:
Cipher

You know that Inter is one of the best and safest places out there.

I withdrew 21,000 in April in one go, went through immediately. Was not in Neteller though.

Can't see what you are are trying to say here.

This could be an E.cash issue not Inter. I remember the first time I withdrew more than $10,000 from a Crypto casino through Neteller (Sands) there was a long delay, more than a week.

Mitch

Hi Mitch:

Unfortunately over the last 3 months or so it's become a common occurrence rather than an isolated instance. And even more unfortunately, it seems as though this issue was not something that INTERCASINO could lay at the feet of Ecash, as I've been informed that my play as well as anyone else's play that is fortunate enough to win large is really being scrutinized for whatever reason.

That coming directly from one of INTERCASINO'S customer service representatives.

I received the 10G's in my account a couple of hours ago and hopefully this will be the end of it.

Lastly Bryan, thanks for your looking into the matter as I wouldn't be surprised to find that the payment was accelerated after you became involved.

Have a good one.
 

dickens1298

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Is it treated the same as a CASH transaction at a B&M?

I'm curious whether this transaction is treated the same as a cash transaction at a brick and mortar casino. In the US, current regs state that whenever cash inflows or outflows total $10,000 in a 24-hour period, the casino has to record the player's social security number. If I remember correctly, this was a RICO issue to prevent money laundering.

Since the Neteller transaction could be ostensibly considered the same sort of transaction - do the same rules apply? Or would they NOT apply since Intercasino is not based in the US?
 

cipher

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dickens1298 said:
I'm curious whether this transaction is treated the same as a cash transaction at a brick and mortar casino. In the US, current regs state that whenever cash inflows or outflows total $10,000 in a 24-hour period, the casino has to record the player's social security number. If I remember correctly, this was a RICO issue to prevent money laundering.

Since the Neteller transaction could be ostensibly considered the same sort of transaction - do the same rules apply? Or would they NOT apply since Intercasino is not based in the US?

Hi Dickens1298:

The short answer here would be... The day Neteller (a Canadian entity) starts reporting to the Internal Revenue Service is the day that Neteller goes out of business.

Have a good one.
 

Lord_Have_Mercy

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cipher said:
Hi Dickens1298:

The short answer here would be... The day Neteller (a Canadian entity) starts reporting to the Internal Revenue Service is the day that Neteller goes out of business.

Have a good one.

But what if you withdrew $10,000 from Neteller to your Bank. Wouldn't your bank then report it? And they will trace or want to know where it came from.
 

cipher

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Lord_Have_Mercy said:
But what if you withdrew $10,000 from Neteller to your Bank. Wouldn't your bank then report it? And they will trace or want to know where it came from.

Hi Lord Have Mercy:

Any trace that IRS might do would take them right back to Neteller and Neteller does not provide any information to the Internal Revenue inasmuch as they are a Canadian owned entity.

Have a good one.
 

GrandMaster

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The IRS could take you to court if they suspect that you might owe taxes, and they could get an order forcing you to provide the information, otherwise you can be jailed for contempt of court. (The 5th Amendment does not apply to civil trials.)
 

cipher

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GrandMaster said:
The IRS could take you to court if they suspect that you might owe taxes, and they could get an order forcing you to provide the information, otherwise you can be jailed for contempt of court. (The 5th Amendment does not apply to civil trials.)

No, here in the states the government has to prove their case without the assitance of a defendant. Be it criminal and/or civil, the government is not extended the latitude of going on fishing expeditions into ones finances without probable cause.

Have a good one.
 

ryan_hartley

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Cipher's NETeller Withdrawal

Hi Cipher,

Firstly, please allow me to apologise for the delay in responding to this thread and secondly for the delay you experienced with withdrawing your $10,000.

I've read that you have received your money, however could you please email me ([email protected]) your account number so that we can look into this and find out why you had to wait so long. Withdrawals can take up to 5 business days, but shouldn't be longer than that.

I do wish to stress that we want to ensure that our players receive their winnings as quickly as possible and ECash is constantly ensuring that these service levels are met.

If you do have any additional queries, please do not hesitate to contact me at [email protected].

Regards

Ryan Hartley
 

GrandMaster

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cipher said:
No, here in the states the government has to prove their case without the assitance of a defendant. Be it criminal and/or civil, the government is not extended the latitude of going on fishing expeditions into ones finances without probable cause.

Have a good one.
Can you quote a source that states that government has no right to request evidence from the other party in a civil trial? (Of course, that evidence could not be used in a criminal trial.) I am not talking about a fishing expedition, but about the IRS believing for whatever reason that you owe more tax than you have declared. The actual procedure is that IRS issues a notice of deficiency, and then you can either dispute it in Tax Court, or pay up and sue for a refund in Federal District Court.
 

cipher

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GrandMaster said:
The actual procedure is that IRS issues a notice of deficiency, and then you can either dispute it in Tax Court, or pay up and sue for a refund in Federal District Court.

I have no idea where you come up with this "procedure" that you refer to you but I can assure you that it has absolutely no basis in fact on this side of the pond.

Additionally, Step 1, Cipher transfers $1,000.00, $5,000.00 or even $10,000.00 (take your pick) to an entity such as Money Mookers, Pre Paid ATM or even Neteller (again, take your pick).

Step 2, After 1 day, 1 month or even 1 year (again, take your pick) Cipher decides to transfer back from Money Bookers, Pre Paid ATM or even Neteller (again, take your pick) an amount equal to Cipher's original transaction.

Now please show me GrandMaster where there is any tax liability incurred in these transactions. But do me a favor and start a different thread as all of this tax nonsense has absolutely nothing to do with the original topic of this thread.

Have a good one.
 

cipher

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ryan_hartley said:
I've read that you have received your money, however could you please email me ([email protected]) your account number so that we can look into this and find out why you had to wait so long.

Regards

Ryan Hartley

Hi Ryan:

I emailed my account number to you at [email protected] this morning.

Yes Ryan, you're correct in that I have been paid that original amount of $10,000.00. But you may be able to clear things up a bit for me on another matter which has just surfaced within the last couple of days.

On this Saturday past I attempted to withdraw yet another $9,800.00 dollars that I had generated again from Blackjack play over a 3 day period of time. At that point I was advised by an E-Cash Direct generated screen that my maximum amount available for withdrawal through Neteller was $2,499.00. I went ahead and withdrew that amount which is still pending.

More importantly, I just reviewed INTERCASINO'S Cashier's area again (Monday AM) and it still shows that I have a balance of $7,300.00 but none of that $7,300.00 is withdrawalable (see attached screen shot).

The only other transaction that has occurred within the last 2 weeks is a single deposit via E-cash Direct for $1,000.00 which has long since cleared my bank. Am I to assume that $1,000.00 E-cash direct item is the reason I'm unable to withdraw the remaining balance of $7,300.00?

Lastly Ryan, on at least four separate and distinct occassions I've tried to contact you at [email protected] with regards my receiving Log Data Files that I had requested quite some time ago and on none of those occassions did I receive any response from you at all. Additionally, those persons that did respond had absolutely no idea of what I was referring to. After four attempts, quite frankly I just gave up on trying to communicate with you at [email protected].

Have a good one.
 

cipher

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ryan_hartley said:
Hi Cipher,

Firstly, please allow me to apologise for the delay in responding to this thread and secondly for the delay you experienced with withdrawing your $10,000.

I've read that you have received your money, however could you please email me ([email protected]) your account number so that we can look into this and find out why you had to wait so long. Withdrawals can take up to 5 business days, but shouldn't be longer than that.

I do wish to stress that we want to ensure that our players receive their winnings as quickly as possible and ECash is constantly ensuring that these service levels are met.

If you do have any additional queries, please do not hesitate to contact me at [email protected].

Regards

Ryan Hartley

Going on 5 days now and still nothing from Ryan Hartley at: [email protected] which is exactly the same response that I received from the 4 other emails that I sent to Ryan Hartley on the previously mentioned occassions.

Have a good one.
 
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