Question Is 94% the new RTP standard?

Slotter

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New games coming in seem to be this model as standard now?

My £50 deposit was slaughtered Saturday Night in record time and when I checked all but 1 of the games was running a 94% model where I assumed it would be 96^

I've seen also for a while now older games hitting the new list again and I think I just twigged what is happening is the 96% versions are being decommissioned and replaced with 'new' 94% versions.

The casino say nothing and are just hoping noone will notice what's going on.

It was invariably tough to get a good session that lasted a while in 96% mode but what hope do we have with 94%? I dare say there are 92% and 88% games floating about too that you would only be able to able to deduce from studying help files closely.
 

Kroffe

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Morning. Where can I find out what the highest RTP per slot should be please? We publish the RTP of the slots on our homepage, but this does not mean it's the best RTP for players.
The fastest way if you want to check many different slots from diffeent providers is probably to check them on a casino that you know run the highest rtp model for their slots. (Vera&John or Unibet as example)

The downside of that method is that Casinos might change rtp for their slots, rtp can be different for different regions etc.
To be 100% sure you are getting the right numbers its probably best to visit the providers website even if that is a bit slower when checking multiple providers/slots.
 

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It's the 'new standard' if you play at casinos that have been actively going for 94% maths models (or lower) where available for years already and yet they keep still getting the business of players who quite frankly, should know better.

Unibet is a thing, Unibet is UK facing, Unibet are accredited here at CM, Unibet run all the top RTP maths models on every single game. (And when you withdraw you'll get paid, usually, within about 10 minutes.)

This is not new, I have videos on my channel going back well over two years imploring players to be smart and stop supporting casinos that are literally helping themselves to more of your money, because if they learn they can get away with it, they'll just get worse - and look where we are now.
 

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Here's some of the filth that I found at a casino that for many years has always had the highest RTP models of the games If anyone's curious.

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It's the 'new standard' if you play at casinos that have been actively going for 94% maths models (or lower) where available for years already and yet they keep still getting the business of players who quite frankly, should know better.

That's the thing. It's starting to happen at casinos that used to always have the high RTP models, silently.
I guess I'm partly saying be careful as you never know when one of your favourite casinos will turn and more and more are going down this route.
 

ChopleyIOM

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That's the thing. It's starting to happen at casinos that used to always have the high RTP models, silently.
I guess I'm partly saying be careful as you never know when one of your favourite casinos will turn and more and more are going down this route.

Again Slotter, I've been doing what little I can via my channel to encourage players to always check the help files when loading a slot in, even if it's at a casino that has been running all the top RTPs, because they really will just pull the rug from under you and in many cases not even give you the base courtesy of telling you that they've just decided to increase the house edge by 50%.

I remember when this started happening and people were saying it's not that bad and it's just a few slots and the perks make up for it etc etc, and now we're in a situation where 94% (or 92%) is indeed becoming the norm across many providers at many casinos, because guess what, they got away with it, and it didn't hurt them in the pocket.

As the old saying goes, 'When someone tells you who they are, believe them the first time'.
 

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i have been playing the slots for years had good times and bad times,but always played with the thought i might be the one thats got that 1 in a thousand chance of hitting something big. now i love the old micro games i.e isis, supe it up, avalon etc, and have plenty of big wins on all but since they reduced rtp not even getting playtime,why have they reduced rtp and removed scatters from games why not remove some 9s or 10s we all chase the scatters.now i play hopeing to have a luck 1 in 10 thousand hit so gradually getting short changed, the scatters that have vanished from the 5th reels means less features and repeats,and when i get one most times the payout is so low i wonder why i bother.enjoyment has now gone. RANT OVER.
 

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No - I don't think 94% is the new RTP standard. Watch how 91% models are going to creep in slowly but surely.

A few days ago a player posted that Casino Friday was already running 91% models after they promised their minimum would be 94%. @CasinoFriday - Can you confirm this to be the case?

Also - MrVegas (Videoslots Sister) is running 91% models across all their Play'n Go's - and they even run scratch cards at 50%.

The problem is that 96% was the norm - then many saw a few greedy operators lowering to 94%. Players were still supporting this and it gradually became the norm. Some Curacao casinos were claiming to be running full RTP when in fact they also ran the 94% (default Dama / DIREX RTP on PnG). Other places were cloaking their RTP's with 'custom' game rule files.

You have big Maltese casinos claiming that they lowered it to help with the taxes in certain markets. This was ONLY for the markets they were taxed in. Then it was filtered across every market - essentially making their claims b*llshit.

These guys just don't get it - It's all about short term gains.

Nate
 

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'Highest maths model' would be a nice little logo Unibet could affix to their site, under games or on the about page. The fact is nearly all the big firms have now decided to promote gambling products with reduced fun, i'd like the regulator ukgc to look into it, publish an article called 'rtp trends' or something, covering the average loss rate/play time differences, just so players are made aware.

A little bit of consumer advocacy from ukgc once in a while wouldn't go amiss. All things being equal the industry is about to rake it in at the consumer's [or fun's] expense. It should be on their radar at least.
 
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DeidreB

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No - I don't think 94% is the new RTP standard. Watch how 91% models are going to creep in slowly but surely.

A few days ago a player posted that Casino Friday was already running 91% models after they promised their minimum would be 94%. @CasinoFriday - Can you confirm this to be the case?

Also - MrVegas (Videoslots Sister) is running 91% models across all their Play'n Go's - and they even run scratch cards at 50%.

The problem is that 96% was the norm - then many saw a few greedy operators lowering to 94%. Players were still supporting this and it gradually became the norm. Some Curacao casinos were claiming to be running full RTP when in fact they also ran the 94% (default Dama / DIREX RTP on PnG). Other places were cloaking their RTP's with 'custom' game rule files.

You have big Maltese casinos claiming that they lowered it to help with the taxes in certain markets. This was ONLY for the markets they were taxed in. Then it was filtered across every market - essentially making their claims b*llshit.

These guys just don't get it - It's all about short term gains.

Nate
I think players are getting rightfully fed up... would not be the first industry that killed itself...
 

abuyang

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i have been playing the slots for years had good times and bad times,but always played with the thought i might be the one thats got that 1 in a thousand chance of hitting something big. now i love the old micro games i.e isis, supe it up, avalon etc, and have plenty of big wins on all but since they reduced rtp not even getting playtime,why have they reduced rtp and removed scatters from games why not remove some 9s or 10s we all chase the scatters.now i play hopeing to have a luck 1 in 10 thousand hit so gradually getting short changed, the scatters that have vanished from the 5th reels means less features and repeats,and when i get one most times the payout is so low i wonder why i bother.enjoyment has now gone. RANT OVER.
Actually, none of these slots (Isis, Supe it up, Avalon) has a reduced RTP. For example, Isis is currently at 95.22% as it always was. But the interesting thing is - it does play differently and this change has started about the same time Microgaming has started to introduce the "flexible RTP" for some of its slots (end of 2020).
 

abuyang

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No - I don't think 94% is the new RTP standard. Watch how 91% models are going to creep in slowly but surely.

A few days ago a player posted that Casino Friday was already running 91% models after they promised their minimum would be 94%. @CasinoFriday - Can you confirm this to be the case?

Also - MrVegas (Videoslots Sister) is running 91% models across all their Play'n Go's - and they even run scratch cards at 50%.

The problem is that 96% was the norm - then many saw a few greedy operators lowering to 94%. Players were still supporting this and it gradually became the norm. Some Curacao casinos were claiming to be running full RTP when in fact they also ran the 94% (default Dama / DIREX RTP on PnG). Other places were cloaking their RTP's with 'custom' game rule files.

You have big Maltese casinos claiming that they lowered it to help with the taxes in certain markets. This was ONLY for the markets they were taxed in. Then it was filtered across every market - essentially making their claims b*llshit.

These guys just don't get it - It's all about short term gains.

Nate
84% standard is already here when it comes to Playngo software. I can name dozens of casinos using this low RTP with the software at the moment.
 

snorky510238

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You’re right, FOBT providers/companies already ruined the longevity by screwing rtp to the button.

Yeah okay, the max bet £2 played a huge part but that only came along because of the aftermath of what the fiddling b*€!<|~s had done over the past 20 years, robbing people blind and leaving thousands in financial ruin and mark my words this industry will/is following suit.

I have a built in ability to realise when things aren’t what they seem and I am telling you that despite what you see, it ain’t what you get.

Games are changed under the “hood” and we never get told about it. If it’s nothing untoward, ask yourself the question, why is that?

I have said it all along, who carries out these so called audits? When did you ever see a report stating that a Casino/Provider has been fined because one of their games was found not to comply with the advertised rtp?

The answer is simple, you won’t find one because these audits (if they even exist) will not be carried out in the way we surmise. Can you imagine the repercussions if it did happen and Casinos were faced with the impossible task of reimbursing thousands of players claiming they had been ripped off.

No, I afraid we have all been very naive in that department. Assuming because we are told that these things happen, that they actually do. I witnessed first hand from the inside and outside what went on with FOBTS and the exact same thing is happening here trust me.
 

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No, I afraid we have all been very naive in that department. Assuming because we are told that these things happen, that they actually do. I witnessed first hand from the inside and outside what went on with FOBTS and the exact same thing is happening here trust me.
Our skeptical and cynical annoying nature is a gift rather than plague, so that 'we' from your quote is not really WE but generally speaking. Of course this industry is not only tainted but rotten at the core of things. However, as it was at the beginning of Covid with 'the conspirationists' that claimed there would be digital passports to be able to travel, step inside certain places etc, taking freedoms away China style with the final goal of Social Credit system, they were being called nutters by the purveyors of governmental order aka the sheeple, that opens the ears only to the Officials, the Qualified, being otherwise ignorant and lacking common sense, the nowadays Liberals. Guess what, we really are on that path. In the shady world of online casinos is the same. Trancemonkey its a thing here for this reason. I have colluded with the man's answers in the past, as in how obviously rigged the gamble feature is in Synot/Wazdan landbased machines, and always I have to prove. We the customers of games have to prove the integrity of them, not the other way around, with Zero access or information about the back-end that is governing these games. The man speaks with the Law and should-be in the hand, I speak with vast experince. We 'the nutters' and our portrayal of all things tainted keep our sanity and we re not being ignorant for the sake of.. If is legal(regulated) then it must be fair, with no ill intended purposes/gains at our expense. All I care now its about live Roulette, and Playtech versions on Paddy do seem random by the behavior of the ball, thats all I personally need from the online gaming fix. And btw, there the PlaynGos run ay 96 however recent releases at 94 so this thread is more meaningful than most think. The direction of money grabbing its obvious.
 
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steveyboy

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Actually, none of these slots (Isis, Supe it up, Avalon) has a reduced RTP. For example, Isis is currently at 95.22% as it always was. But the interesting thing is - it does play differently and this change has started about the same time Microgaming has started to introduce the "flexible RTP" for some of its slots (end of 2020).
sorry to disagree but the rtp has been lowered otherwise why is the scatter symbol on said games disappeared from reel five there used to be 2 scatters on that reel now only 1.
 

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Have to laugh when I see a casino offering Thunderstruck 2 / Immortal Romance at a frankly laughable 92% RTP, and Play 'n Go at the 94% settings, but also offering affiliates up to 38% commissions with the other hand. No wonder they can't afford to give us decent RTPs when having to pay out that much money. Where is the balance? Perhaps Casinos wouldn't have so much player churn, and need to constantly acquire new ones, if they were giving their customer base a fair chance.

Commission with no deductions - Casinomeister Forum

"Well positioned to become the casino of choice for affiliates and players!? I would suggest only the former. There are only serious financial and play time reasons to steer well clear, as a player. Casinos seem to be completely forgetting the people that are funding all this - us.

Sorry @Betreels Casino & Sports , you seem like a decent guy on the forums and it's perhaps not fair just to single out one casino - that is just one example, a lot of casinos are "at it" currently and it's wrong and unfair, in my book.
 

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Hi @slot_zombie - not sure I follow? Are you referring to our RTP? If yes, I am still trying to figure out how our RTP compares to the others. I.e. I have some homework to do. Just need to find out what the highest RTP is per provider.
Yes according to your site you're 2%-4% below the 'optimum' RTP settings for Microgaming and Play 'n Go, depending on the title. I didn't look at the other providers.
 
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